Yanks-Tribe III Postmortem: Coming Up Small

The positives first:

  • Congratulations go out to Melky Cabrera. He had a good day, highlighted by his first career homer. The legend grows.
  • Old Man Bernie continues to tear it up from the right side.
  • Robbie Cano’s hitting streak is extended.
  • The Yanks are still in first place.
  • Julian Tavarez still plays for the Red Sox.

Now, the bad:

  • Bases loaded and nobody out. The heart of the order is up. Only 1 run scores.
  • Mike Mussina couldn’t handle the Indians bottom of the order.
  • Joe Torre obviously did not feel winning was the highest priority today. Sometimes managers get in those moods. They’re content with merely winning a series. A sweep is the cherry on top. So, Torre runs out Aaron Small when the game is still in reach. For those of you obsessed with numbers, Small’s ERA is currently over 8. For those who just like to watch the game, he’s the guy who gives up an earned run almost every inning in which he pitches. A two-run game becomes a 4-run game while Aaron is busy searching for the pixie dust.
  • A-Rod strikes out in a key situation. Headline writers sharpen their knives…
  • The (potentially) worst news for last: Johnny Damon was pulled in favor of Bubba Crosby late in the game. What does this mean? Another injury?
26 comments… add one
  • As per Peter Abraham over at Lohud:
    * Johnny Damon felt a twinge in his right hamstring, which he said is related to some back pain he has been having. He said he would play tomorrow night.
    It’s like a plague on outfielders!

    yankeemonkey June 15, 2006, 6:23 pm
  • Johnny Damon is a plague waiting to happen, ever since the collision with Damian Jackson in 03…

    Paul SF June 15, 2006, 7:15 pm
  • Just read that Randy Johnson’s been suspended five games for last night. Kinda harsh, don’t ya think? It is only one start though, now that I think about it.

    Laura June 15, 2006, 7:46 pm
  • That’s ridiculous. As is clear, I’m no fan of the move, but HE DIDN’T EVEN HIT THE GUY. Fine would have sufficed.

    YF June 15, 2006, 7:54 pm
  • What do you want to bet Ozzie is not even getting fine for his antics last night? Ridiculous.
    Randy is appealing though, so hopefully they’ll at least cut it.

    yankeemonkey June 15, 2006, 8:21 pm
  • YF– what if he had “hit the guy?”

    walein June 15, 2006, 8:50 pm
  • for a starter they won’t “cut it.” the reason they do 5 games is because he IS a starter…if the “cut it” and he can start the same as he would otherwise…well, then I might become a fan of baseball.

    walein June 15, 2006, 8:53 pm
  • Walein: If? I don’t know. Depends on how bad the hurt inflicted is. Punishment is only legitimate if it’s proportional. So if he gives Perez a welt and keeps him out of the lineup for a couple of days, then you go from there. If it’s a nick, it’s shorter. I don’t know.

    YF June 15, 2006, 9:03 pm
  • I am no fan of RJ, or the rest of your team, but this is just stupid. Suspended for pitching inside? Gimme a break. Clemens, Pedro, Gibson, Drysdale all and many other greats used intimidation, especially in that situation. On the other hand, this will encourage RJ to pitch timidly and keep the ball nice and fat over the place.

    Tom sf June 15, 2006, 9:05 pm
  • It is stupid, but this wasn’t intimidation, moving a guy off the plate so he can command the inside, Gibson-style. This was intentionally throwing at a batter for an incident earlier in the game. It was the sixth, he knew he was getting tossed for it.

    YF June 15, 2006, 9:48 pm
  • He has to take this up on appeal, and he will. It will be reduced to three or four, and he won’t miss a start, but it is RIDICULOUS. Barrett gets suspended 10 games for _punching_ a guy (well, it was AJ, but whatever), that he hasn’t even served, and RJ gets docked 5 games for NOT HITTING someone. Pathetic.

    attackgerbil June 16, 2006, 1:22 am
  • I’m not going to comment becuase if I do Selig will sue for libel and defamation.

    bloodyank78 June 16, 2006, 3:48 am
  • I really don’t believe this is ridiculous. He intentionally threw at a batter, and by the way he walked off the field he knew he had. The YES announcers even said Jorge was overreacting to a pitcher who couldn’t control his fastball. This wasn’t about intimidating a hitter into being able to throw low and outside and strike him out, this was a man retaliating and for this he deserves to be suspended. You can’t retaliate when the teams have been warned. Should the teams have been warned in the first place, probably not, but they were and Johnson shouldn’t have retaliated. And you can’t compare this to Barrett’s 10 game suspension, he has to sit out ten games where he would of started and played the entire game. Here Johnson has to wait 1 day before his regular scheduled start. It just gives him an extra days rest, that will probably help him in his next start anyway

    NeffSox June 16, 2006, 8:41 am
  • I don’t know if the suspension was deserved or not, I didn’t see the pitch. But “hitting the guy” shouldn’t be the determining factor, I don’t think. YF is totally off-base on this one. It places the responsibility for the determination of punishment on the guy being thrown at, his reflexes, his ability to get out of the way, not the guy who threw the ball. The penalty should be commensurate with the intent to hurt, so if a guy is not hurt though a pitch was careening right at his head it doesn’t necessarily mean there should be minimal punishment, quite the opposite. Conversely, if a guy is seriously hurt but the pitch is judged to have been unintentional then obviously no penalty is warranted. I don’t see how YF can tie punishment to how well a players’ body reacts to a pitch coming right at them.

    SF June 16, 2006, 10:51 am
  • Apparently SF is not familiar with basic concepts of jurisprudence and proportionality that exist in just about every Western legal system. The punishment for attempted jaywalking/robbery/murder is less severe than the punishment for jaywalking/robbery/murder. That’s how systems of justice work.

    YF June 16, 2006, 11:45 am
  • You’re talking about employing Hammurabi’s code, though, not western jurisprudence.
    (And since when is baseball’s justice system a tracker of ours?)

    SF June 16, 2006, 11:51 am
  • Hammurabi? Wouldn’t the solution there be to let Perez have a free shot at RJ? Not sure I wanna go there. But I wonder how many HBP incidents there’d be if baseball adopted Sharia.

    YF June 16, 2006, 12:09 pm
  • Am I wrong here, or don’t you still get penalized for attempted jaywalking/robbery/murder.

    NeffSox June 16, 2006, 12:25 pm
  • Yeah you get penalized, but the penalty is less severe. No one’s saying there shouldn’t be a penalty. The question is what’s fair.

    YF June 16, 2006, 12:35 pm
  • With a starting pitcher, it seems like there isn’t even a point to suspending them. They usually appeal it as Johnson is doing, and then find a time to take it when the team is actually bringing back someone from the DL or when he feels he could use a extra day off. I think the fact that making Johnson push one start back one day for intentionally throwing at a batter is completely fair.

    NeffSox June 16, 2006, 12:43 pm
  • A suspension for a starting pitcher has to be 5 games minimum, or else it’s totally useless. We shouldn’t get so exercised over that number when it applies to a starter.

    SF June 16, 2006, 1:25 pm
  • I’m not sure how accurate that is, SF. You’re forgetting the all-important monetary aspects of the situation. Do suspended players lose their pay for days they are suspended? If so, then such a penalty against a pitcher is excessive, for it is a much greater punishment than the penalty for a position player.
    I still don’t understand why a simple fine was not reasonable solution to this infraction. Make it steep, fine. But the suspension seems ridiculous.

    YF June 16, 2006, 2:28 pm
  • If this were Schilling would you be singing the same tune SF? I know what your answer will be, but honestly, put the exact scenario in your head. Tek gets hit, Schill retaliates by throwing at but not hitting an opposing batter; I have a strong inclination to believe that you would be calling the commissioner’s ruling steep as well.

    bloodyank78 June 16, 2006, 2:39 pm
  • I made a point of the fact that I have no opinion on Johnson – I didn’t see the pitch nor did I see the events that transpired.
    I am only stating that as a matter of concept if a starting pitcher is going to be punished then he must be suspended long enough to miss action. YF’s point about salary punishment is certainly valid, though, and it makes part of that punishment disproportionate – I believe players are payed by team game, pro-rated, and therefore penalized accordingly. So it’s a dilemma.

    SF June 16, 2006, 2:58 pm
  • I believe players are still paid during suspensions. When you are suspended for the MLB drug policy rule though there is a specific statement saying suspended without pay. I am not positive of this though, if anyone else has further information, I have had a hard time figuring this out.

    NeffSox June 16, 2006, 3:21 pm
  • My very rudimentary research shows that players are, like neffsox says, paid during suspension, which makes YF’s concerns about disproportionate financial penalties moot, and the length of a suspension for a starter useless if set at less than one full rotation. As an aside, players also accrue service time throughout suspension.
    Sounds like a paid vacation to me, no?

    SF June 16, 2006, 3:44 pm

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