Yeah, Boras Isn’t Involved. Right.

The sides are discussing a marketing plan in which Rodriguez, 32, would benefit financially as he passes hallowed home run benchmarks in the coming seasons. The Yankees typically do not offer bonuses to players who make the All-Star team or win postseason awards.

I have an idea: how about another $1M if he gets a Cy Young vote?

39 comments… add one
  • are you saying that God would be put in an ethical dillemma about whether he should let Alex break the homerun record or not?

    Nick-YF November 15, 2007, 2:28 pm
  • i wrote this before. The yankees asked for a meeting with A-Rod without Boras present. That was what they asked for before he opted out and what A-Rod finally did. This is what reports of him meeting without Boras in the room were referring to. I think it was a given that Boras would be negotiating the actual contract.

    sam-YF November 15, 2007, 2:33 pm
  • I am slightly out of the loop, but from everything I have heard we are looking at 270 million over 10 seasons? So Boras not only pissed off the Red Sox and all of baseball, but forced Alex into a pay cut? Under his OLD contract he was to make $32 million in ’09 and ’10 OR 1 million more then the highest paid player in the game. Again I haven’t been reading a whole lot, but if that’s the offer 270/10 seems like Boras cost Alex some money.

    John - YF November 15, 2007, 3:30 pm
  • The thing that bothers me more is the 10 years, not necessary the per. I wish the Yanks only go 7-8..

    Lar November 15, 2007, 3:46 pm
  • If the bonuses for breaking records are really in there, then it’s basically a $300M contract, unless massive, catastrophic injury is involved. Can someone insure both ACLs for $25M each?

    FenSheaParkway November 15, 2007, 3:49 pm
  • Sam–
    I completely agree with you on Boras’ role in all of this. The fact remains that he has been able to boost the Market value of ARod from a purported 230+ Million for 8 years (total) all the way up to a possible 290-300Mil for 10 years.
    There are quite a few clubs that have been up, eating in the office, papers stuck to their unbuttoned suits, crunching numbers and seeing if they can/want to try to out bid the Yankees at this point.

    walein November 15, 2007, 3:52 pm
  • And just when you though the Yankees off season couldn’t get any funnier, Jeter getting busted by the Tax Man?
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311830,00.html

    LocklandSF November 15, 2007, 4:10 pm
  • (1) As posted before: Dollars promised in 10 years may have 50% or less of their value in the baseball market today. So the length of the contract might actually make it more of a bargain, assuming ARod doesn’t have some career-changing injury.
    (2) I haven’t seen much of anything written on this topic: What kind of contract does ARod have with Boras? It would not be surprising if Boras has ten zillion clauses in there about what he’s still owed if the player negotiates without him (e.g., if the player insists on taking less than Boras advises, he might get a *larger* percentage).
    (3) Glad if ARod doesn’t come to Boston. Wicked pissed if the Yankees gobble up Lowell for 1st as well. But if they do, it will almost guarantee that Mike goes into steep, Damonesque decline.

    Hudson November 15, 2007, 4:11 pm
  • I don’t know for sure but it seems like every 10 year contract in baseball for a position player has been worth it.
    I can name two:
    Winfield – who was vastly underpriced when the contract was up.
    A-Rod – who seemed to be making market value in year 7, at least if you believe the baseballprospectus guys.
    Have there been others?
    Meanwhile, I’ll say if A-Rod is making 30 million in 2017, HE may not be worth it, but I don’t think that salary will seem obscene.

    NH Rob November 15, 2007, 4:19 pm
  • I think that the so-called steep decline of Johnny Damon is a bit overstated around here. Looking at his numbers, last year he put up numbers that were every bit as good and better than his numbers in boston. This year his numbers were down much less than you expect and were due to his injuries in the first two months. IF (i realize this is a big if) he stays healthy next year Id expect perfectly acceptable production out of JD. (which will be better than crisp if on some off chance he is still around.)

    sam-YF November 15, 2007, 4:30 pm
  • And didn’t he admit to coming to camp out of shape, Sam?
    I agree though. His numbers this year were in line with the normal variation of his career. In fact, his 2007 is almost identical to his first year in Boston (2003).
    2003: .273 .345 .405 94 OPS+ 12 HR 67 RBI 30 SB 6 CS
    2007: .270 .351 .396 97 OPS+ 12 HR 63 RBI 27 SB 3 CS
    And in 2003 he had 608 AB vs 533 AB this year.
    It certainly is a fiction that Damon is getting old fast. I know I wouldn’t be surprised to see him put up a significant improvement next year – back to 2004-06 levels.

    NH Rob November 15, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • And Damon is a good example where the Sox, in choosing to not spend the extra money, certainly took the more difficult path though you have to admire the effort. Still, Crisp certainly hasn’t been as good as Damon in either year. And the Sox gave up Marte (who would offer further insurance against Lowell this year) and Shoppach (who’s about ready to be a decent catcher for a few years and relieve Varitek’s workload).

    NH Rob November 15, 2007, 4:43 pm
  • The 10 years for a position player do not concern me at all. He can always DH, play 1B, etc…
    What concerns me is excepting the fact that Alex will always be a hired gun and not a Yankee. For a normal player that may not be an issue, but as Alex has showed he needs to feel loved and needed. I am not into that whole “True” Yankee thing, but after all of this constant drama that surrounds him he can never expect to be held in the same regard as Jeter, Mo, Posada, etc…He needs to except (if he does in fact return) that he will be a hired gun and not that beloved Yankee that he seems to always striving for. From a baseball perspective who wouldn’t want the greatest player of our generation, but Alex better not being expecting a warm welcome home.

    John - YF November 15, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • Isn’t the other big part of Damon’s decline his fielding? The Yankees don’t really trust him to handle center, from what I’ve read. (And his arm was never that great to begin with.)

    Hudson November 15, 2007, 4:45 pm
  • I disagree, John. In staying with the Yankees he’ll eventually shed that label. It would have been much easier had he never opted out, but he’s got ten years to drive them to a ring. That will surely help as will all the records and HOF. When it’s all done, he will have played 14 years with the team. That’s as good as you can get without coming through the system.
    Hudson – I’m not sure. The defensive metrics suggest he can still run down balls. It’s just the arm that hurts, especially because Melky’s is so good.

    NH Rob November 15, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • Still, Crisp certainly hasn’t been as good as Damon in either year.
    …yet somehow, Crisp got a ring this year while Damon rode the pine to Melky Cabrerra in CF.

    Brad November 15, 2007, 4:56 pm
  • I agree with Rob in that when he gets to the HoF, it’ll definitely be a Yanks cap going in. No question about it after this contract.
    Still though, it’s been 4 years and all this is still going on. Maybe if we win next year.. (or more if I’m greedy..)
    I’m just glad it frees the Yanks up for a few more trade options for Johan Santana..

    Lar November 15, 2007, 5:00 pm
  • Actually, Damon hit 2 HR’s in the 4 ALDS games. And Coco did almost nothing (1 XBH in 33 AB) before riding the pine for Ellsbury.
    It’s all about the pitching in the post-season. Sox had (and still have) it.

    NH Rob November 15, 2007, 5:01 pm
  • That’s it though, Lar. Which of those years did the Yankees have even decent starting pitching?

    NH Rob November 15, 2007, 5:03 pm
  • I didn’t point it out to compare the two, but merely to point out the fact that Red Sox were wildly successful having made exactly the correct decision.

    Brad November 15, 2007, 5:11 pm
  • Wasn’t part of the suspicion of Rodriguez as a mercenary that happened to be in a Yankee uniform tied to the opt-out clause? Now that that question is answered (seemingly), it would be difficult to view him as anything other than a Yankee. Of course, the obscenely inept way he handled the whole thing will hurt his reputation, but that wasn’t always so strong to begin with. A lot will be forgiven over the next few years if he continues to be the best player in the game.

    Anonymous November 15, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • I don’t mean that he isn’t considered a “true” Yankee because he hasn’t won yet, just means that it’s been 4 years and he still hasn’t been accepted by the fans (unconditionally) ala Mo, Po, DJ. If 2/4 MVP years isn’t going to do it, I don’t know what’s going to do it the next 10. Other than winning titles, I mean.

    Lar November 15, 2007, 5:17 pm
  • It seems that Red Sox fans aren’t as concerned with the question of who is a real member of the family. They find it quite easy to jettison former heroes like Damon, Clemens, Vaughn, Garciaparra, Pedro Martinez, etc. etc.

    DR November 15, 2007, 5:18 pm
  • That’s exactly it, Brad, there’s no basis to call it the “correct” decision. They were successful in spite of the decision, not because it. Again, it’s all about the pitching. And they may have been closer in 2006 if they had Damon’s season instead of the Yankees having it. The Sox certainly weren’t helped by Coco’s 2006 season. ard to call it the correct decision, but at the time it seemed inspired enough. But they also traded Marte and Shoppach in the process.
    Lar –
    I think A-Rod was finally accepted this year. And the opt-out screwed up that good will.

    NH Rob November 15, 2007, 5:26 pm
  • A-Rod is gonna be accepted just fine. We are married to him for the next decade, everyone will learn to love him or at least like him. The pressure should be more or less off him with a secure long term situation in place.
    Also, Damon was injected into this conversation because it was alluded to that the yanks made the wrong decision by signing him. This simply isnt true. It was and still is the correct decision. He has helped the team lots the last 2 years and should remain productive. The decision of the sox to let him go can be seen as both right and wrong. Their overall program has worked this year to win a world series but the fact they won doesnt mean that all the decisions made to get there were the right ones.

    sam-YF November 15, 2007, 5:40 pm
  • Alex may eventually be accepted by fans, but that’s not my point. Alex is in constant need to loved and adored and held in the same light as Jeter, Posada, Mo, etc…After this most recent PR disaster I don’t think he will ever get that from (the majority of) Yankee fans. Regardless of how many rings he wins or what hat he wears to the HOF. I used to fight the battle around here about how he isn’t calculated and needy, but I can’t fight that battle anymore. Everything he does he does because he wants to be accepted. From the story about how he is working out while other players are taking their kids to school to chastizing Boras for his recent actions (even though I am CERTAIN he knew what was going on). Alex is everything you want in a ball player between the lines, but off the field he is a needy drama queen. That’s just reality.

    John - YF November 15, 2007, 6:47 pm
  • > Alex is everything you want in a ball player between the lines, but off the field he is a needy drama queen
    Which makes him everything the NY mags want outside the lines. Heaven-sent, really.

    attackgerbil November 15, 2007, 6:54 pm
  • It is true that he will never get the love that Posada, Rivera, Jeter and even Brosius (did you hear the ovation he got at old timers day?) do and did. He inspires mixed emotions at every second. It is a dramatic roller coaster. It seems official that he is signed now. Hang back, enjoy the ride and see how many awful puns the New York Post can come up with in the next ten years.
    Don’t forget that Reggie Jackson is a mostly loved figure now when that certainly was not the case when he played.

    DR November 15, 2007, 6:58 pm
  • i dont care about anything other than alex other than if he can put up numbers and play consistent great baseball. I dont care who loves him, what he does off the field, what red sox fans think of him, how he handled his contract negotiations, etc Im coining a new term to explain anything unsavory that he does from now on: thats AROD being AROD. It gets manny off the hook so i dont see why it shouldnt for him as long as he produces.

    sam-YF November 15, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • Never say never. He’s going to be with us for 10 years more apparently. We might just get used to him, warts and all.

    Nick-YF November 15, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • Crisp was the best center fielder in the game, according to Pinto’s defensive efficiency ratings. Damon was actually better than Cabrera, but he was injured, then benched much of the year. Again, that’s getting to balls; not necessarily throwing them.
    There is absolutely no reason to suggest Damon will return to 2004-06 levels unless he magically finds a way to reverse the aging process that has taken its toll on him faster and harder than most players because of how hard he plays the game. It’s conventional wisdom, sure, but in this case the conventional wisdom is correct. Damon had his best season in 2004, would have at least matched that except for a precipitous decline in the second half of 2005, his power numbers rebounded in 2006, and injuries took their toll in 2007. That his ’07 numbers at Age 33 match his ’03 numbers at Age 29 seems to prove that he’s on the other side of the arc, not that he’s likely to get back to the top.
    And, DR, your statement about jettisoning former heroes just isn’t credible. You clearly didn’t see the multiple standing ovations Pedro received in 2006, and I for one still have a great deal of fondness for Vaughn, and I think most Sox fans who grew up during that period do. Considering most Yankee fans seem to be embracing a “hero” they’ve essentially jettisoned twice, it’s an odd accusation for you to make.

    Paul SF November 15, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Age 29 is already on the other side of the arc. Players typically peak at age 27 or 28 then begin the slow decline.
    Rob’s point is still valid. Damon’s career has bounced around quite a bit. He also had a down year in 2001 (82 OPS+) at age 27 following the best year of his career in 2000 (118 OPS+ – 324 total bases – better even than 2004 – more power and more stolen bases). There’s “absolutely no reason to suggest” that his 2007 marks some permanent downturn – unless that’s the preconceived bias you’re bringing to the table. To explain 2007 from his stats, you also need to explain 2001 and 2003.

    Mike YF November 15, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • Sam, I don’t care about the off the field nonsense either. It’s more about Alex and how he will deal with it. That’s my point.

    John - YF November 16, 2007, 10:44 am
  • It is entirely credible. The applause from Red Sox fans came while their supposed heroes were in different uniforms. Your last two legends before the current title run are not going into the HOF as Red Sox and are frequently criticized on this very site. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. There is always Yaz.
    Have you not read YF comments about Rodriguez? He is hardly embraced, we spend hours debating his realness, sigh and realize we have him for ten more years. We also give our heroes standing ovations for pop outs to second base. Minus the NY Post, we are all about love.

    DR November 16, 2007, 5:23 pm
  • Your last two legends before the current title run are not going into the HOF as Red Sox
    Clemens is most likely going in as a Sox, seeing as he spent the most years in Boston and had his bsts easons there, to boot. I’m afraid I have no idea who the other “hero” is. Boggs is wearing a Boston cap. Vaughn’s not going to the Hall.
    You said “fans,” but clearly you meant “front office.” The fans have already accepted that free agency makes career-long allegiance betweent team and player the rare, rare exception. The front office has not made hero worship the reason for retaining a player — moves that have been borne out, by and large, by the most recent World Series.

    Paul SF November 16, 2007, 5:31 pm
  • When Petey goes in, it’ll be in a Sox cap.

    Anonymous November 16, 2007, 6:01 pm
  • I meant a combination of front office and fans. More like the culture of the thing. Its one of those nebulous things that comes with sports fandom.
    I think it is debatable whether those two go in the Hall of Fame as Red Sox and I’m not saying that to simply antagonize. I just see a series of local heroes that have been built up and spit out.

    DR November 16, 2007, 6:25 pm
  • Clemens might be debatable, but I can’t imagine Pedro going in with anything but a B on his hat.

    Jackie (SF) November 16, 2007, 7:01 pm
  • Anybody else see that Rogers dismissed Boras as his agent? This is already the best off-season EVER!

    Anonymous November 16, 2007, 7:45 pm

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