YES Men

It’s been done to death, but I’d love to hear YF’s take on the YES analysis of the beanball exchanges in today’s games. I won’t bore anyone with a summary, but they were all over the place, highly inconsistent in their comments, and of course came out praising the Yankees. It’s too bad the MLB radio broadcast is delayed, or I’d just turn the sound down on these yes men and listen to Joe C. and Trupe.

As for my take, Lofton’s a punk, Mientkiewicz was standing on the bag (big deal, though), Astacio’s so bad he didn’t even have enough control to hit Lofton, and Halsey could have and should have thrown at someone’s hip, not their head.

(EDIT: Fred Hickman and the Yes Woman, Suzyn Waldman, offer a redeeming post-mortem, speaking honestly and openly about both the Red Sox and the Yankees. Waldman especially excels, wondering aloud how Esteban Loaiza and Joe Torre can possibly think that Loaiza “showed something” today. And if one thought Pedro Martinez seemed resigned after Friday’s games, it’s worth watching Waldman’s post-game interview with Kevin Brown, who looked as if the clubhouse attendant took away Brown’s access to the shaving kits, fearing self-abuse. He looked a beaten man, someone who lost his daddy.)

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  • I unfortunately missed most of the early theatrics, so I’m not fully qualified to comment. Is Kenny Lofton a hothead? Yes. Was his play on Mientkiewicz dirty? I haven’t seen it. (The YES men said no.) Astacio taking two shots at Lofton with a huge lead seems less than sporting, however, and was asking for trouble. (If you miss the first time, that should be it—your bad). Halsey retaliating against Roberts seemed a legit and politic move to me, but I agree he might have aimed a bit lower (though Roberts really didn’t have too much trouble getting out of the way). Girardi’s analysis seemed totally reasonable except for his contention that Halsey was probably aiming for Roberts’ chest and missed high. My impression was that it was intended as a head-level brush back. (Note that he did not throw behind Roberts’ head–I don’t think he was looking to do serious damage. It was a message pitch, and no one was really in much danger.) Michael Kaye’s wacky suggestion that the pitcher replacing an ejected hurler not be given time to warm up was appropriately dunked by Girardi and Kaat.
    On a personal note, I would add that it was the most desultory bullpen emptying I have ever witnessed. Didn’t look like anyone out there was really too interested in mixing things up.
    Do I pass?

    YF September 26, 2004, 6:11 pm
  • Seems like a fine response.
    Just to clarify – when Lofton passed the bag, thrown out by a full step or two, he immediately turned around and started yapping at Minky. Didn’t seem to me like Minky was even aware of Lofton’s supposed elbow, and I am not sure that Lofton was thought to have done anything physically dirty (it didn’t really look, to my eyes, like he took an intended shot at Mientkiewicz). My guess is that the brouhaha was over what Lofton said, not what he did.

    SF September 26, 2004, 6:26 pm
  • I missed the game as well (thank God!), but this is one of the problems with “retaliation” in baseball. You get a rookie out there with his blood pumping, desperate to prove he belongs, and if/when he misses, bad things can happen.

    JeremyM September 26, 2004, 6:48 pm
  • Ditto on the kudos to Waldman. Even as a Sox fan exiled in New York in the early 90’s, I always appreciated her great beat work on WFAN. Now that I’m in L.A., I only get YES through DirecTV, so I unfortunately don’t get the post-game…just the idiot squad in the booth.

    MJL - SF September 26, 2004, 9:51 pm
  • And now we have the denoument: a 3-game suspension for Halsey, which is absolutely ridiculous. That’s only one day less than Tek and Arod received for their megabrawl, and all Halsey did was throw a brushback. Woe but for the days of Gibson and Drysdale.

    YF September 28, 2004, 11:40 pm

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