YF & SF Get Out the Vote

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The proprietors of this site disagree on many, many things—it was founded on the basis of one of those disagreements—but one thing we do agree on is that every American should vote. We also happened to agree on a political candidate, and yesterday we chose to participate in the continuing democratic experiment that is America by canvassing for our choice, Barack Obama. We're both excited about the result of yesterday's election, and proud to have taken part in it. Doing is a very American trait—perhaps the ultimate American trait. We are a nation of doers.

Bright and early, we pulled the levers in New York and left for eastern Pennsylvania, crucial swing territory. We were assigned to a small town in the steel belt, between Bethlehem and Allentown, a beautiful area with fall folliage in full color. Driving through some of the picturesque Lehigh Valley towns, the idea of going door-to-Victorian-door seemed like it was going to be fun and easy. Not so fast. Turns out our assignment was to a less lovely area: a mobile home park just beneath a highway. As my partner noted, this was "leave no stone unturned" territory.

We got off to a slow start. Unpleasant looks. "I know who I'm voting for and I'm not telling you." Slam. A naked guy smoking and watching the "The Price is Right" in a trailer. At a house decked out with multiple flags and "USA" and "Support Our Troops" signs, I was told, with a snarl, "I don't vote." A bitter woman in her sixties told me "I don't have time for that shit" and that "Clinton should have won anyway." It was a relief to come upon my first Obama supporter, a handsome woman with short gray hair. "I already voted and if he doesn't win I'll never vote again because obviously it's a fix." That felt great, or at least it was a relief. Some observations: It seemed like everyone smoked. A nicer house, invariably, meant a nicer inhabitant—regardless of party affiliation. The development we visited was neat and orderly and well kept, though the homes themselves often had a large amount of junk lying around in their enclosed patios. The lovely old towns we drove through were surrounded by oceans of big box sprawl. It's very sad what's happened to this beautiful country.

We had 93 homes on our docket, and it wasn't until the final, 93rd house that we actually got someone to the polls. A grizzly trucker fellow—very nice—had recently moved in from a neighboring county, and wasn't sure where to vote. His live-in partner, an African-American woman and recent college grad, had just transplanted from Virginia, and wasn't sure what to do. He was proud of his suped-up Hummer and told us "I really want to vote for Obama." We called back to base to check on where he needed to go, and made sure he got the info. It was a great way to end the day. Every vote counts.

A few pictures from our day follow.


Bridge

Our bridge to the 21st century.Marchingorders
Marching orders.
Andy2
SF, ready to go.
IMG_0465
YF gets in the act too!
Bucolic
The bucolic Lehigh Valley.
Roadtovic
The Road to Victory.
Houses
We were there.
Highway
Under the highway.
Leaningleft
Leaning left!
Attack
I knocked on this door. Don't question my commitment.Bump
A few bumps in the road.

Poster
And a happy result! 

65 comments… add one

  • That last picture makes me dizzy. I just might be having a seizure. Can’t..stop..staring.
    Great story.

    attackgerbil November 5, 2008, 11:08 am
  • Awesome story, and kudos to you guys for taking that extra step that most of us don’t.
    That was the difference in this election (well that and the 96% of the black vote) – the grass roots portion of the campaign never stopped being just that – a grass roots portion. People never stopped knocking on doors (careful, attack hunters can sometimes mean it), even when it meant splintering wood from the angry slams.
    Congrats to B.H. Obama. I have no doubt he’s a better choice than the current party, and I have no doubt he’ll get this country turned back around for the better. By getting SO much of the populare, and such a high percentage he’ll have a much easier task of putting his fingerprints all over my life.
    So it goes.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 11:34 am
  • edit that: better choice than the current sitting president, not the party.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 11:35 am
  • I wonder what would have happened last night if McCain took 96% of the white vote?
    I know that sounds terrible, and I’m not trying to sound as if I’m kicking a dead horse of racism, but it’s a very valid question. I’m not trying to insinuate anything, but when was the last time any candidate took 96% of any vote?

    Brad November 5, 2008, 11:38 am
  • And I really laughed out loud at the idea of a sixty year old woman telling you she didn’t have time for that shit. That’s funny.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 11:42 am
  • So is that a bald SF in the “getting ready” picture? ;-)

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 11:54 am
  • Brad, I think the extraordinary circumstances of this election make the situation incomparable, and do remember that the Republican party has had a long negative history, and accentuated recently (ie Katrina) within the African American community.
    As for grass roots campaigning, I find rather satisfying to see that after M/P spent so much time disparaging community organizers—and I think that was truly disgraceful on their part—they lost in no small measure because of the effectiveness of community organizing.

    YF November 5, 2008, 11:58 am
  • I’m torn in one regard. The large part of me was excited to see minorities getting out and voting in droves, because traditionally only a small portion of them vote. Even though the vast majority of them voted against the candidate I supported, I was happy to see them interested in politics.
    Then I thought: wait, so it took a black man on the ballot to get these minorities to care enough to vote? They’ve had the right to vote for, essentially, 40 years, and this is (reportedly) the first time that more than 20% of them have voted. How is this not racist? I can understand that the choice between one old white guy and another old white guy can make minorities apathetic, but even during the Clinton years we didn’t see them turning out in this way.
    If roles were reversed and a white person refused to vote because both candidates were black, most people would call that person racist. How is this any different?

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 12:20 pm
  • I agree, YF. With both sentiments: the Repubs have nobody to blame but themselves for this. They wouldn’t have won with Reagan this time aroud.
    Now, everyone back to work! People are going to need a bigger slice of that pie! This country needs turned around, and the guy who crawls his ass out of bed every single morning to go to work, stays over late, and tries to better himself will bear the burden of getting it done.
    How did it get to this point? How did it get to the point where people are no longer held accountable for their own actions? How did it get to the point that the government has outgrown the people it’s meant to protect and support? How has it gotten to the point that I feel like college, years of work, buying a house I could afford, and paying my bills on time has meant nothing.
    I know we believe differnt things around here, but today, I’m truly disappointed. I do not need this crap in my life. If you messed up, deal with it yourself. It’s not my problem. This isn’t communism. We’re not equal, and we all don’t deserve the same things. I worked my ass off, and now, will be justly punished for doing so every friday when I get paid.
    Dems can talk all they want about some magical 250K limit on tax increases, but the only way to fix the current mess (wich I had NOTHING to do with) is to raise taxes.
    This country needs to get the fuck out of Iraq, stop bleeding money we don’t have, stop creating more government, stop bailing out greed and curruption, and let people live their lives.
    What a disgrace we’ve become. It’s a wonderful thing what B.H. Obama has done, and truly goes to show how far we’ve come as a people, but he could not have asked to be put in a worse situation.
    He talks the talk. Now, walk the walk. And, leave me the fuck alone.
    Sorry. Rant over. I’ll leave it alone. I have to go back to work anyhow, people are depending on me. People I don’t even know.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 12:22 pm
  • Exactly, Ath. It’s a pathetic slap in the face of everyone who gave their lives to afford everyone the same right, and it couldn’t be clearer. How people aren’t bringing this up is beyond me. It would have been my first talking point, but then again, I’m a Republican – I’m a racist old white man who is for big business and the church.
    Oh, wait. That’s not me at all. I’m a young white man, with a job I worked my ass off to get, a house and a piece of land that I have to budget with to make mortgage payments every month on the 20th, and could not be more in favor of scientific explorations to better society as a whole.
    Whatever. This freaking day is terrible. I mean, I was upset when Bush took office, but today, I’ve just lost my motivation to be a part of this system.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 12:31 pm
  • What you guys mean to say is that black people only voted for Obama because he is black. Right? Seems to me white people have only voted for other whites up until this election, no?
    The reason no one is really talking about it is because it is irrelevant. Just some kind of sad counterpoint to the positivity and happiness the majority of us are feeling today. How about we try and find some common ground now to continue to move our society forward rather than look back for a change?
    And to answer your original question ATH, it’s called voter apathy. When you are part of a group that has felt largely left out of the political process, you fail to see the point in participating. Obama restored many peoples faith in our political process and therefore got many of all colors/creeds to come out and vote to be a part of something bigger…
    We lived through 8 years of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove/etc. Brad so come on man, give him a chance?

    krueg November 5, 2008, 12:53 pm
  • I agree with many of your point Brad. This used to be a country where people thought “If I work hard, I can do anything“; Obama is living proof of that idea. However, we’ve turned into a nation of “I deserve” and “it’s not my fault”.
    When kids shoot up schools, videogames are blamed instead of the parents. When a 10-year-old weighs 150 pounds they blame Burger King, but not the parent that took them there. When kids are out of control parents throw their hands in the air and called Nanny 911 to fix their problems, rather than realizing that they are to blame for their child’s lack of discipline.
    I have the utmost respect for Barack Obama, and know that he has this country’s best interests at heart. But terms like “redistribution of wealth” and “socialized medicine” make my skin crawl. There’s a perception in this country that the wealthy are all rich from inherited money or from taking advantage of the poor. In the past people used to look up to Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and think “I want to work hard because I want to be as successful as them.” Now it’s “They have money and I don’t, so they should pay a higher percentage than I do. I deserve some of that.” Anyone who makes more than $100,000 in this country is perceived as the bad guy.
    Now I completely understand that we do need SOME welfare in this country; there are plenty of people with disabilities who do need a little help every now an then. But people who have low-paying jobs and 8 kids don’t deserve help. People who have crappy jobs and are struggling to advance because they didn’t try hard enough in highschool don’t deserve help. People who buy the newest cell phones and clothes they can’t afford, and then barely have enough money for food, don’t deserve help.
    I’m a 22 year old college student taking 18 credits while working 38 hours a week in a high-paying tech job and starting my own Website Design company. I don’t want help. I work my ass off and at the end of the day I feel great about myself because I’m independent. The only luxury I sport is a 2008 Honda Civic which costs me a reasonable $349.51 a month, but aside from that I live within my means. I have an old cellphone (without a camera even!) because I know I can’t afford a new one yet.
    Sorry, end rant. I’m very happy with Obama, but disagree with the “I deserve…” mentality.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 12:56 pm
  • “I’m a 22 year old college student taking 18 credits while working 38 hours a week in a high-paying tech job and starting my own Website Design company. I don’t want help. I work my ass off and at the end of the day I feel great about myself because I’m independent. The only luxury I sport is a 2008 Honda Civic which costs me a reasonable $349.51 a month, but aside from that I live within my means. I have an old cellphone (without a camera even!) because I know I can’t afford a new one yet. ”
    And the majority of the country looked at the people who have been running the country for the past 8 years and say to themself the same thing as above. They looked at McCain and Palin and felt that it would be more of the same: different rules and standards for people above your, mine and most everyone else’s position in life.
    They chose Obama because they hope things will be different. They chose Obama because he is a tremendous communicator (regardless of what you may think his “motives” might be). They voted for Obama because most of them have been voting and losing by slim or no margins the past 8 years.
    The idea that the high black turnout is the sole reason for Obama winning is ludicrous. More people in general voted this election then in previous ones and, statistically speaking, Black and other “minority” voting blocks did not come out to vote in higher numbers than their white counterparts.

    walein November 5, 2008, 1:22 pm
  • This year’s voter turnout of 64.1% is the highest since 1908, but it is not unprecedented in recent history–two other young, charismatic leaders caused people to flock to the polls in large numbers. In 1960 63.8% turned out when JFK ran, and in 1996 55% turned out for Clinton. Both were just as charismatic and inspiring as Barack Obama, at least in my opinion.
    However, in that 1992 election black voter turnout was still between 15-20%. This year it’s 70%.
    We are seeing the same giant increase in voter turnout that we have in the past, the only difference in the high black voter turnout.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 1:43 pm
  • We’ll see how happy everyone is, and how much faith and “hope” everyone has when it hits them in the wallet.
    People seem to really want everyone to do well, and everyone to have everything they want, until it involves them.
    Everyone wants new roads, but nobody wan’t higher car taxes. Everyone wants better teachers, but nobody want’s to have higher town taxes to do so.
    So now, you’ve got your guy. Your big government-take care of everyone guy. I grew up in a family that really needed help, so I’m not begruding anyone for falling short of the mendoza line at home. It took my dad 20 years to get through college because he did it at night his whole life, but you know what, he did it. He’s better off now. He graduated college, and shortly thereafter, retired.
    It meant something to him because he wasn’t being handed it for nothing. It didn’t create class difference. It created character.
    People do not need Hussein’s goverment in their lives. At least not those of us who have worked hard enough to not want him in it.
    No, I will not give him a shot. He stands for everything I do not like about the government. But, so does Bush and most of the Republican party, so I bite the bullet, keep my mouth shut, and hope for the best.
    Honestly, I contemplated not going to vote at all yesterday. If not for my local choices, the outlook was grim for me to be sure. Now, a day later the outcome is grim anyhow, so I’ll just watch him twist in the wind.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 2:23 pm
  • Again.
    Exactly, Atheose.
    The country would be on fire right now if 96% of whites voted for McCain. Justify it however you want, but it’s racism. It doesn’t have anything to do with being connected to the process, or anything else. It has to do with black votes for black candidates, and not a damn thing more than that.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 2:27 pm
  • And good for Obama. He was able to do what nobody else (short of maybe RFK in the short lived campaign process he led) to get that kind of motivation out of this segment of the population.
    Then again, RFK, like his brother (not Noam, err Teddy) was a different kind of democrat.
    He deserves credit for doing this.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 2:30 pm
  • I find some of the comments here entirely distasteful and profoundly disrespectful to this site and its authors. I didn’t think I could be disappointed today, but somehow we’ve arrived at that point. This post was written in good faith, and about our participation in democracy, because this site is about our lives as much as it is baseball, but not as some kind of carte-blanche forum for ill-conceived, angry political rhetoric and preposterously ill-considered analysis of racial voting patterns in history. I’ve a mind to erase almost all of it, and be warned that more of this will absolutely not be tolerated.

    YF November 5, 2008, 2:57 pm
  • do whatever you feel like doing, man. Both Atheose and I have praised compliments to him over and over: he’s a brilliant mand who ran a brilliant campaign. Because I took the time to point out the obvious in voter numbers and turnout, and Atheose took the time to actually look up the numbers, doesn’t make it not true.
    Erase away, buddy. But, what did you expect when you posted a political-based thread – everyone was going to agree with what went down?
    We’ve laid our compliments at the feet of both you and SF for getting out and partaking in something that we’re all afforded to do, but few do, but we’re hardly going to not point out facts along the way.
    What is it exactly that has you so upset? Were there lies or something in the thread that I missed?

    Brad November 5, 2008, 3:08 pm
  • But, you’re right in one sense. We strayed off course here, and probably should not have done so. I’m sorry for starting the road to somewhere else.
    I’m sorry you’re offended by the opinions/facts here. I’ll remove myself Hussein Obama talk for now.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 3:13 pm
  • I do not think there is anything upsetting in these comments, but I think Brad and Atheose mischaracterize Obama’s position.
    I think Obama stands for providing greater opportunities, not handouts, to people who currently lack means. Opportunities, unlike handouts, require you to work to benefit from them. However, opportunities are not free, and like Brad wrote, someone has to foot the bill for them.
    I will be among the people affected by Obama’s planned tax increases. I voted for Obama anyway because I believe his administration will use my tax dollars to curb inefficiencies in the marketplace and in health care. I don’t feel much pity either for the family that has twice as many kids than they can afford or who blow their income on luxuries. I don’t think Obama is going to come to the rescue of these people. I do feel bad when violent swings in the economy wipe out jobs or 401(k)s, or people I know can’t afford health insurance. I think Obama’s policies will help curb these problems.
    I don’t think Obama believes in redistribution of wealth (raising and lowering the rates on certain tax brackets is not redistribution). I think he believes in giving as many people as possible the chance to succeed on their own merit. If I am wrong, I will be disappointed.

    Jeremy November 5, 2008, 3:28 pm
  • I’m sorry if I offended, or upset anyone on a day which should be spent celebrating the historic election that took place yesterday. Like I said several times, I genuinely like and respect Barack Obama and believe he has America’s best interests at heart. And at this point anything is better than Bush.
    this site is about our lives as much as it is baseball, but not as some kind of carte-blanche forum for ill-conceived, angry political rhetoric and preposterously ill-considered analysis of racial voting patterns in history.
    There have been many times where politics have come up and people on this site have discussed their views/opinions, including comments regarding Sarah Palin dropping her G’s when speaking. Without getting into a debate about the evolution of the English language, I feel that generalizing someone’s intelligence based on the regional dialect they use is absolutely “hateful”.
    And say what you will about my comments, but using statistics to show that increased black voter turnout was exponentially greater than increased white turnout is not “ill-conceived” nor “angry”. If you disagree with what I said that’s fine, but don’t chalk it up to angry political rhetoric. I’m 100% glad that blacks are interested in voting for once, just disappointed with [what I feel are] the reasons behind it.
    I enjoyed your post and the pictures, but it may be a little presumptive to make a post about politics and not expect politics to be discussed. Delete what you want; it’s your site and I respect that I’m only a visitor. I apologize if this thread went in an undesired direction.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:02 pm
  • The tenor of the comments is pejorative and hostile. “So now, you’ve got your guy. Your big government-take care of everyone guy.” Aside from being a dubious statement on the merits, it’s not just critical of Obama–fair enough, each to his own–but of my motives, and that is not what we’re about here. I’m also wondering why Obama is referred to by his middle name? Should he be embarrassed about that for some reason? Is there some stigma you are attaching to his ancestry, or to Muslims? You might want to take a peek at some of the names on this masthead.
    Comparing African-American voter turnout pre-Civil Rights era to 2008, as if this was apples to apples, is ridiculous.

    YF November 5, 2008, 4:06 pm
  • I mentioned 1960, but specifically gave examples from 1992. How is it ridiculous to compare voter turnout in 1992 to 2008, and dissect specific numbers to try to figure out why black voter turnout was far-and-away more than the increased voter turnout of all other races? Is it really that taboo to discuss these breakdowns? Can you point to a specific comment of mine that was “hateful”?
    Like I said I’ll stop discussing this if you want, but I’m honestly not motivated by racism nor unhappiness at the outcome of this election.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:11 pm
  • Ath: It’s the tenor of the discussion I’m disappointed with. You’re free to have your opinion, even here. I would note that regarding wealth, the 2 individuals you cite, Buffet and Gates, both supported Obama. The idea is not to “redistribute wealth,” but simply to have individuals pay a proportionate share based on the income they generate both on their own within the constraints of the American system. This is not a revolutionary or “socialist” concept. Certainly it is one subject to debate, but inaccurate labels like “wealth redistribution” make a rational discussion of the issue all the more difficult. It’s a wedge term, used to hide the truth rather than explore it.

    YF November 5, 2008, 4:14 pm
  • Put another way, would it be taboo to discuss the 1960 election’s voter breakdown, and why around 90% of all Catholics (who typically did not vote Democrat at the time) voted for JFK? Isn’t that the point of statistics, to break them down and discern meaning from what would otherwise just be a bunch of numbers?

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:18 pm
  • I’m sorry.
    Barack Hussein Obama. Far be it for me to use only part of his name..
    And I don’t need to look at his masthead, Reverend Wright already told me all I need to know about his ancestry and faith.
    You’re starting something where there was nothing: we were simply having a conversation about voter turnout and how it applied to Barack Obama’s campaign. You didn’t agree, and that’s fine, but don’t try to turn the conversation into something it’s not.
    I’m sorry if you’re offended by my stance on this, or by my very legitimate questions that you would like to pretend aren’t realistic.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 4:26 pm
  • but inaccurate labels like “wealth redistribution” make a rational discussion of the issue all the more difficult.
    Barack Obama is the one who has, several times in the last few weeks, used the term “redistribution of wealth”. Republicans call it Socialism, but I chose the term Obama uses himself rather than the ideologically-infused one.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:27 pm
  • I would like to fall in line with Atheose on the sentiment that my questions aren’t stemming from sour grapes over yesterday. I really felt that Obama was the better candidate here, which I’ve stated over and over.
    The Republicans did a very BAD JOB on this one, and I’m not too biased to say so.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 4:28 pm
  • I think the way this thread has gone shows that we all really, REALLY miss baseball. We need some crazy trades and free agent signings to happen so we have other stuff to speculate about!

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:31 pm
  • Man. Baseball can’t heat back up fast enough, Atheose.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 4:33 pm
  • Any thoughts on Boras saying that Tek deserves the same contract as Posada.
    I’ll boycot if that happens. I’m glad that Theo was said to have rolled his eyes when Cafardo told him of Boras’ comments.
    2/17 – and even then I cringe at the idea of it.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 4:35 pm
  • And, I won’t really boycott.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 4:35 pm
  • 2/17 is fine by me, as long as we improve in other areas. I can deal with one black hole in the lineup.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:44 pm
  • Atheose, to my knowledge, the only time Obama ever was quoted as speaking the words “redistribution of wealth” was in 2001. You may have heard these words repeated several times over the past few weeks from the McCain camp (which understandably deprived them of context, nuance, and intended meaning), but they were not coming from Obama’s mouth.
    I do not think Obama actualy stands for taking money from Group A and giving it to Group B. Like I said, if I’m wrong about that, I will be disappointed.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:44 pm
  • Yeah you’re right, what I’m thinking of is the audio of Obama saying that having been played over and over for the last few weeks. My mistake.
    And hey, stop stealing my name!

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:49 pm
  • I’m leaving work in a minute, so look: I apologize for the way this thread turned out. YF people like you should be commended for trying to get people to vote. Even if they choose to vote for a candidate I do not support, that’s still awesome. I would rather see Obama win this election the way he did rather than see McCain win simply because of voter apathy.
    The assertions I made about racial voter turnout was not made in anger, nor with the intent to start a huge argument. Once again I apologize if anyone was offended; I think most people here know that I would never want to offend anyone with my comments. But seriously, Theo can you trade for Matt Holliday so we can start talking about that instead?

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 4:59 pm
  • I second that.

    Brad November 5, 2008, 5:03 pm
  • “Barack Hussein Obama. Far be it for me to use only part of his name..
    And I don’t need to look at his masthead, Reverend Wright already told me all I need to know about his ancestry and faith.”
    wow.

    krueg November 5, 2008, 5:10 pm
  • I don’t like to argue politics, but…
    Why is it ok to shout from the roof tops about how proud everyone is to be part of this historic moment, but it’s not ok to make a statement about this historic moment being due in part to a record turn out of black, minority and young voters. Wouldn’t both be considered historic and a step in the right direction?
    Either way the man I voted for lost, not much you can do about that other than embrace this new regime. Because I think we can all agree anything is better than what we have now.

    John - YF November 5, 2008, 5:15 pm
  • This post has been indeed troubling to me as well, too many mischaracterizations about race and voting for me to even want to get into. I will say that referring to our President elect’s middle name multiple times and repeatedly was clearly done with some bias or reason in mind. In comparison, there is no mention of John Sidney McCain’s middle or first name when he is mentioned in the discussion. The fact that he won the whole thing with this type of bias active in this country underscores how remarkable his achievement really is.
    (And Yes I did have to look up Sidney)

    Sam-YF November 5, 2008, 5:38 pm
  • Brads comments go far beyond polling trends and statistics…come on John.

    krueg November 5, 2008, 5:39 pm
  • Who said I was defending Brad? Not me.

    John - YF November 5, 2008, 5:54 pm
  • I think John was referring to my breakdown of racial voting trends, and not Brad’s comments.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 6:03 pm
  • “This post has been indeed troubling to me as well, too many mischaracterizations about race and voting for me to even want to get into.”
    This about sums it up for me.
    Meanwhile, SF’s original post was great. I loved the stories and the pictures. Good work, guys!

    Nick-YF November 5, 2008, 6:06 pm
  • Wow. This got a tad out of hand. My kudos to YF and SF for getting out there and participating. As a resident of the great state of California, I’m miles and miles from anywhere that would have made a difference. Sorta felt like I was sitting this one out (except for voting of course).
    Not sure about all these numbers on voter participation being thrown around. All the analysis I heard yesterday was about the projected increases being way overblown. I’d love to know where some of you are getting your numbers.

    rootbeerfloat November 5, 2008, 6:26 pm
  • What the hell happened here?
    Wow.

    LocklandSF November 5, 2008, 7:46 pm
  • Dodgers say Russell Martin is available. Tim Dierkes speculates that it would take either Buchholz or Lowrie to nab him. Sounds too good to be true.

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 7:50 pm
  • “Dodgers say Russell Martin is available. Tim Dierkes speculates that it would take either Buchholz or Lowrie to nab him. Sounds too good to be true.”
    Or Kevin Youkilis!

    Nick-YF November 5, 2008, 8:29 pm
  • If you end up being close to calling this trade over a week before it happens then you deserve a big gold star, Nick!

    Atheose November 5, 2008, 9:23 pm
  • Don’t the Democrats *usually* get around 90% of the black vote in the presidential election?
    That Obama, a black man, garnered 6% more than your generic Democratic candidate is not at all surprising, nor can it be called racism – rather, if it be called anything, it should be called racial preference, hardly a horrific thing. I can’t honestly think of a black person who voted for Obama more because he hated white people than because Obama is black himself.
    Would anyone be crying racism if, say, a Jew got 6% more of the Jewish vote than your generic candidate? I didn’t think so.
    And, how can *anyone* question vastly increased voter turnout of a minority section of the electorate when a member of that electorate is for the first time on the ballot? *Especially* considering the extremely violent and shameful history of this country regarding these people, many of which are still alive today.
    It’s completely a non-issue, and a rather pathetic attempt at a “yeah, but” from the minority opinion.
    Congratulations to President-elect Barack Hussein Obama. And to you, YF and SF, for your inclusion in the annals of history. I wish I had done the same.

    AndrewYF November 6, 2008, 1:13 am
  • Wow. Glad I skipped out on this thread…

    Paul SF November 6, 2008, 9:46 am
  • I wasn’t referring to what percentage of black voters vote Democrat vs Republican, but rather what percentage of black voters voted vs not voting at all. This year the increase in black voter turnout was far-and-away higher than the increase by other races. I compared it to 1992, where there was a similarly charismatic and hopeful candidate running.
    In 1960 JFK won the vast majority of Catholic voters, and it’s not taboo to discuss their motives. But this is, just because I voted for McCain and the people on here voted for Obama?
    Countless numbers of African Americans were abused and killed so that they could have the rights they have now. Being too apathetic to vote until there’s another black man on the ballot is an insult to those that gave their lives and worked hard. I said it earlier: I would rather my candidate lose this way than win because of low voter turnout–I’m overjoyed to see the majority of our country vote. But it disappoints me that it took a black man on the ballot to make it happen.
    I think we’ve all said what we wanted to say, and again I’m sorry the thread turned out this way. I apologize again, and I won’t comment on this particular thread anymore. I’m sorry if I offended anyone, or took away from the monumental and historic election that this was.
    In baseball news: the Padres are willing to trade Peavy to the Yanks for two pitchers and an outfielder, probably Highes and AJax with another pitcher thrown in.

    Atheose November 6, 2008, 10:41 am
  • Guys, I’m not trying to be racist at all. You’re all misunderstanding my sentiment here. I won’t harp on it, but again, that wasn’t my intention.
    They print bumper stickers and t-shirts, and several top polical talk boxes have called him by this name – are they all being called racist as well? Well, yes they are, because that’s the fall back response.
    I mean, it’s a very popular dumpster to crawl into, and very easy to just toss that out there when someone isn’t in favor of Obama, but it wasn’t my intention to come off as a racist pig.
    That’s all I’m going to say on the matter. I said sorry to anyone who was offended by my tone, but it wasn’t meant to come off as racist. By all means, please enjoy your president.
    Oh, and if they trade Youk for Martin, I’ll be a litte upset. Lowrie and Buchholz – absolutely. But not Youk. We need him AND Tex in this lineup.

    Brad November 6, 2008, 10:45 am
  • I don’t like the idea of Peavy on the Yanks -at all- especially if they’re going to go hard after CC/Burnett.
    A Peavy/CC/Wang/Pettitte/Joba rotation is pretty rediculous.
    They wouldn’t really need to worry about who plays first. ha.

    Brad November 6, 2008, 10:53 am
  • I don’t know why, but I’m not a huge fan of Peavy. I could see him being above average at best in the AL East. But that’s just me.
    Holliday, however… I want him on my team. Talk of the Yankees going after him makes me sad.

    Atheose November 6, 2008, 11:03 am
  • “Being too apathetic to vote until there’s another black man on the ballot is an insult to those that gave their lives and worked hard.”
    I just think this is a sad way to look at the state of affairs. First of all, it entirely ignores the fact that there has been a consistent effort to suppress the minority vote. The apathy in certain segments of this community can best be understood as a collective failure to provide adequate education and opportunity to minority citizens. A belief in personal responsibility and an understanding of the context in which minority voting patterns are set are not mutually exclusive. To his credit, Obama has stressed personal responsibility, and to the extent that voter turnout is up it’s a credit to his dilligence, and to his much maligned “community organizing.”
    “By all means, please enjoy your president.”
    He is THE president (elect). Yours, mine, and ours, like it or not. So was the last one.
    Otherwise, I see no justification for referring to Obama as “Hussein” other than to disparage him by either association with Saddam Hussein, which is preposterous, to suggest that there is something wrong with his heritage, or to suggest (wrongly) that he is Muslim, and that there is something intrinsically wrong with that. End of story.

    YF November 6, 2008, 11:08 am
  • I am probably going to get in trouble for this but here it goes…
    First off I think what YF and SF did was great. We obviously do not agree in our political stance, but still a great thing was done by both regardless.
    Second, I understand the thread was started simply to give us insight to the journey they went on leading up to election day. The problem is nothing good can ever come from a political conversation when you are dealing with people from such a WIDE ARRAY of opinions and backgrounds. Unfortunately the focus strayed away from YF and SF’s doings to the topic of President Obama. But that’s not to fault anyone for taking it there either. YF and SF were in a lose/ lose situation, unless of course this was DF vs. DF.
    Third, I don’t get all these comments about WOW, or this has really turned bad…It comes off as holier than thou, just my opinion. Maybe the sentiments expressed by Brad or Atheose or even myself were not ones that you embrace or support, but this is what you get when you open up a thread on politics. I am in no way defending or agreeing with anything Brad or Atheose said, I am only saying they have the right to the opinion that they have expressed. My family and extended family is very much involved in politics here in NJ. My mother is an elected official with the Republican party and I have been, up to this election a Democrat. Needless to say the debates between her and I, as well as my uncles and cousins/uncles that are also Republican officials, get very heated and very honest. Agree or disagree with what they believe in or say, I still try and respect it. The same respect that you (the people that are outraged here) want shown to President Obama, should be shown to those who disagree with what President Obama is saying and stands for. Bottom line is if you are going to have a discussion on politics (a topic way more controversial than sports) then you need to deal with and understand that everyone is not cut from the same mold.
    While I am an author here, the above message was not approved by YF or SF, this is simply my feelings and in no way is this necessarily the feelings of YFSF.

    John - YF November 6, 2008, 11:16 am
  • Sorry YF, we cross posted, I didn’t see “End of Story” until after I posted. My apologies.

    John - YF November 6, 2008, 11:19 am
  • YF, calm down. I said I was sorry to have offended anyone by saying this – it wasn’t my intention to play a race card, though clearly, you have no problem assuming this is what I meant. I never suggested anything. I simple referred to him by middle name – you’re the one who thought it a good/necessary idea to paint me as a biggot for doing so. Never once did I mention Muslims or Sadam Hussein.
    Let’s just move on, guy. I get it. I’m a racist for calling him by his middle name rather than his first, so can we just drop it now.

    Brad November 6, 2008, 11:25 am
  • John: No one has been denied the right to their opinion, nor had their comments erased. I objected to the tone of the comments, above all.
    Brad: no one has called you a racist.
    As noted, end of story.

    YF November 6, 2008, 11:54 am
  • i thought this was a baseball site for yanks and sox fans… disappointing.

    nathan dewey November 6, 2008, 6:30 pm
  • nathan, yfsf.org is indeed primarily a baseball site for baseball fans, but sometimes it serves for discussion of other things. We try to keep it close to the banner most of the time, but as this site is made up of so many interesting people and opinions, other topics are bound to arise. I ask that you ignore this thread if it isn’t to your liking and read other contributions made on this site. We certainly hope you find it worthwhile.

    attackgerbil November 6, 2008, 6:52 pm
  • Nate, I was an asshole and soft-pedaled you on my response and I am sorry for that. I retract my attempt at redirection, because after thinking a bit more, this event is not something from which to shy away. I am glad so many chose to participate regarding their thought.

    attackgerbil November 6, 2008, 9:14 pm
  • Disappointing.
    Thanks to YF & SF for sharing their trip with us, it’s great to see them IRL hanging out and getting out the vote for Barack (holla!).
    But I didn’t expect to find non-baseball reasons for me to come to this site regularly anymore. I just can’t talk baseball with some of these people.

    doug YF November 6, 2008, 10:51 pm

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