YF: In His Own Words

YF today:

That’s pretty pathetic SF. You root for your league. Even when the Mets played the Bostons in 86. we were stuck rooting (if that’s the word) for the Sox. I’m sorry you want your Pedro back, and I’m sure David Wright is a nice guy. but abandoning the AL is pathetic…especially for the denizens of Shea.

YF October, 2004: Read this one and weep. Or this one.

Those are some principles, YF.

38 comments… add one
  • I for one am shocked. Shocked.

    Paul SF September 4, 2006, 6:57 pm
  • That was, you know, right after the collapse. So we were embittered.
    Anyway, the point is that there is NEVER an acceptable time to root for the Mets.

    YF September 4, 2006, 9:26 pm
  • With all due respect, that wasn’t your point. Your point was much more clearly spelled out, and it was written in the comment I posted above from earlier today. It’s very succinct. You root for your league. That was your point. You used this strong language to put down my position, to call me pathetic, but when you are found to have taken the same exact position two years ago the best you can do is this weak-ass explanation? Now that’s pathetic.

    SF September 4, 2006, 9:38 pm
  • Woo-hoo! I made it just in time for the festivities! Glad I brought some popcorn!
    Yet more evidence of the egocentric thinking Yankee fans possess, as well as their ‘any way the wind blows’ ability to justify what they say can be opposite of what was said he day before. Reminds me of a certain political party …

    Brad September 5, 2006, 12:02 am
  • Weak sauce posting this on the front page SF.

    Eric September 5, 2006, 12:21 am
  • Yeah, even I can’t justify that, based on the fact that I would rather see the Rockies win 10 World Series in a row before I would see the Mets or Sox win one in 100.
    Can we all just agree on “root for your league, except if [hated rival] is playing?”

    yankeesnj September 5, 2006, 1:36 am
  • Red Sox fans aren’t real baseball fans in the sense that they only have ONE team to pick from. Who else are they going to root for? The Houston Astros? The Minnesota Twins?
    In New York, you’re either a Yankee fan or a Met fan, and never the twixt shall meet unless you’re 1) a yuppie bandwagoner or 2) a sportswriter (and in Mike Lupica’s case, he’s chosen the Mets.)
    I know it’s impossible for Red Sox fans to understand this:
    The fact is simply this: you don’t have to live, work, nor breathe around Red Sox fans. You do with Mets fans – and when Mets fans get just the teensiest bit of success, they go into Oversmug mode, even more than Red Sox fans — who were smug even before 2004.
    George Steinbrenner could handle the Red Sox winning (see: he allowed Sox fans to celebrate at Yankee Stadium for 2 hours after the game was over). He will never stomach losing to the Mets, ever. He’d rather have an appendectomy without anesthetic before that would ever come to pass.
    It’s an intracity thing. Red Sox fans would never know. Actually, anyone outside New York, Chicago or Los Angeles wouldn’t know.

    Jonah Falcon September 5, 2006, 2:16 am
  • Ah, yes, this is another case of the sad, misunderstood Yankees fan. Ha. You guys are hysterical. And Jonah, I am not sure anyone out in LA gives a crap about the other team winning. They’re too busy with the plastic surgeon.
    yankeesnj puts it very compactly and right on, I think we can just leave it there. YF believes the same thing, obviously, and he shouldn’t have gone spouting off about my “pathetic” stance. It was wrong. A simple mea culpa would have done, not some sort of politician’s goalpost shifting. Let’s close this one up.
    Go Mets.

    SF September 5, 2006, 7:45 am
  • Can SF and YF keep their girly slap fight on this to personal email? Maybe there can be a discussion about, oh I don’t know, baseball?

    YFinBeantown September 5, 2006, 8:13 am
  • “root for your league, except if [hated rival] is playing?”
    Seems sensible to me.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) September 5, 2006, 8:28 am
  • There’s that old bumper sticker a friend of mine in college had: “My favorite team is Ohio State (and whoever is playing Michigan)”. Seems a common sentiment in sports, just replace the team names with two other rivals.

    SF September 5, 2006, 8:29 am
  • Take a look at the Yankee geame threads. Could it be that SF’s humorless, double-standard barbs are the reason YFs lose interest in this site?

    anonyf September 5, 2006, 8:47 am
  • What double standard, anon? YF called me out in quite stark and insulting terms for a position that he himself took. That was a double standard that I called him on, fairly. I think I have the right to respond to something like this. Some of you Yankees fans are insanely thin-skinned – one Mets comment and YF (and a good number of you as well) goes off like a bomb.

    SF September 5, 2006, 9:01 am
  • It’s probably the lack of a pennant race, Anon. But blame me if you want (even though I’ve been pretty much absent from the site for the better part of three weeks).

    SF September 5, 2006, 9:13 am
  • YF’s comments were funny.

    anonyf September 5, 2006, 9:17 am
  • Ok, chalk it up to different senses of humor, then. I didn’t sense the irony anywhere in his initial comment, and I am not sure where I missed it. Help me out.

    SF September 5, 2006, 9:29 am
  • Isn’t that usually the perspect, anon?
    If you’re a Yank fan, YF is funny and SF is “humorless” and employs a “double standard.” If you’re a Sox fan, vice versa.
    Me, I’m a lover, not a fighter. I think both are funny. YF is just misguided.
    I’d be curious as to how Yank fans somehow have lost interest in this site, considering how many continue to post here.

    Paul SF September 5, 2006, 10:50 am
  • I agree with yankeesnj.
    Lots of Sox Fans living in NYC, myself included. I can’t imagine too many of them rooting for the Yankees in a subway series.

    brooklyn SF September 5, 2006, 11:32 am
  • Yes, but at the same time, rooting for the Mets is perverse.
    This is what I don’t get about the Brooklyn hipster set – they don’t like the Yankees because a) they have the biggest payroll, b) when they have their shit together they’re basically guaranteed to get to the playoffs c) they have an unpleasant, money-grabbing owner d) the city is always bending over backwards, offering tax-breaks and the like, to a rich corporation that really doesn’t the help.
    And this is different from the Mets how? The only reason that the Mets are perceived as underdogs is because they’ve been so badly managed. It’s like rooting for the Knicks because Isiah and Scott Layden have screwed them up so bad.
    You want a real underdog? Vote Marlins. But understand that pretty much everything that makes the Yankees unpleasant also applies to the Metropolitans.

    Sam September 5, 2006, 11:40 am
  • I actually rooted for the Red Sox in 1986 until the they went ahead in the 10th inning of Game 6, when I suddenly had an 0hmigod the Red Sox are going to win the World Series moment and switched my allegiance to the Mets. Maybe I helped give Mookie Wilson a bit of extra karma….

    Fred Vincy YF September 5, 2006, 11:49 am
  • By the way, this:
    is crapola. If this Johan Falcon is the same who pollutes the YES Network boards, I’m unsurprised.
    The only time I root against the Mets is when they are playing the Yankees. Otherwise, may the sun shine on their asses ;) Especially if it results in a Subway Series (which is then won by the Yanks, of course).
    Oops, I guess I’m not a “True Yankees fan” much like ARod isn’t a “True Yankee” or somesuch idiocy.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) September 5, 2006, 1:03 pm
  • I hate the Red Sox so much, I rooted for the Mets in ’86. And if it came down to the Mets and Sox again, I’d still root for the Mets, despite the instant arrogance a Mets WS win would produce. I don’t think I’m less of a Yankees fan for doing so in that situation.
    Similarly, I think it’s asking an awful lot for Sox fans to root for the Yankees in that situation. I, for one, couldn’t ask them to do so with a straight face.

    lp September 5, 2006, 1:32 pm
  • I own a T that says: I am a fan of two teams: Red Sox and whoever beats the Yankees.
    I find it very true for most of the RSN. I bet YFs live by similar motto, with Mets in the mix. When you have Mets playing Red Sox, you pick out a lesser evil that you can live with and root for that team.
    I wasn’t around in 86 (at that time I didn’t know baseball existed) and do not have any dislike for the Mets. I will root for them any time, knowing they are taking away from “yankee’s pie”

    Cape Codder September 5, 2006, 1:52 pm
  • I can’t root for the Mets because 1. They’re from New York (even though I love the city itself. Odd, I know.), and 2. They factor into the Sox’ formely tragic history, even though I too was just a babe — or at least a toddler — at the time. The double combo makes them my second-least-favorite team, so I root against them, but with little passion. Of course, if they’re playing the Yankees, I’m the biggest Met fan in the world. That’s just how that works.
    FWIW, I also root against the Cardinals because of their former roles in the Sox’ formerly tragic history. But they’re not from New York, so there’s really no passion in there at all. And now I’m conflicted because clearly they also factor into the Sox’ now-nontragic history.

    Paul SF September 5, 2006, 2:00 pm
  • Sam, where on earth do you come up with “the Brooklyn hipster set” as the main demo of Mets fans? My three closest Mets fans friends are: 1) a NYC lifer, grew up on the UES, 2) a NYC lifer, grew up in Bed-Stuy, and 3) an NYC lifer, grew up in Coney Island. I think you’re making a generalization that is unfair. There are plenty of hipster (and non-hipster) bandwagon jumpers who will be donning Yankees caps over the next few weeks, believe me. They’ll be impossible to miss.
    It would be equally silly if I characterized Yankees fans as “front-running English transplants”, wouldn’t it?

    SF September 5, 2006, 6:24 pm
  • Ok, I have to admit it. I’m as English as Devonshire cream tea. I’ve been hiding it all these years. We’ll all brits. Walein, YF, Gerbil, BY78, YM, etc, etc.

    Nick-YF September 5, 2006, 6:44 pm
  • I don’t think the “Brooklyn hipster set” really cares about baseball one way or another. But as a transplanted Sox Fan, I’m rooting for the Mets over the Yankees.

    brooklyn SF September 5, 2006, 9:47 pm
  • In 2004, I was too shell-shocked to pick a favorite for the series. At the time, I was doling out platitudes to my (numerous to the point of nauseating) SoxFan friends, such as, “Congratulations, giv’em hell,” and “Wow, that’s so remarkable, who would have thunk it,” and “If I wasn’t so drunk, I’d fight you for the money in your pocket versus my pocket. Where are my pants?” after the ALCS while I tried to figure out that the sun still rises in the east. Carry water. Chop wood. Ohmm.

    attackgerbil September 5, 2006, 10:01 pm
  • I wasn’t saying Bklyn hipsters are the key demo of Mets fans, SF. I was saying that the spirit of rooting for the Mets and/or viewing them as underdogs, which is what most of them do, is ridiculous. It’s the same oh-so-cool spirit that led to all the Red Sox hats being worn in 2004.
    As for transplanted Englishmen – trust me, most of them hate the Yankees because of the Man Utd connection.

    Sam September 6, 2006, 9:36 am
  • What about the Yanks fans who think the entire media is against them, that they are some sort of unfair target, hence making them the “Big Engine that Could”, winning despite the haters? What’s the difference?
    Both the Yankees and the Mets (and Sox) are big money, big market teams, the Yankees being the biggest of all of them. I will root for the Mets not because they are an underdog (though they will be if facing the Yankees), but because I like them a heck of a lot more than the Yankees, who I don’t like even a smidgen. It’s pretty simple, from my standpoint.

    SF September 6, 2006, 10:23 am
  • I think that’s an entirely respectable point of view. For a dastardly YF-hating SF, that is.
    For the record, I would root for ANY team over the Red Sox. If it was a Red Sox v Mets WS, I think I just wouldn’t watch.
    And I don’t particularly agree with YF about rooting for one’s own league. I like the idea of the Marlins, with their teeny tiny payroll, or the Cubs with their baggage or even the Phillies and their pathetically long-suffering fans winning the big one. And, heck, I’d love to see Bobby Cox win at least one more ring, just to shut up the “Yes, but…” crowd.

    Sam September 6, 2006, 3:10 pm
  • And even better, Cox could use the matching ring to create a symmetrical bruise on his wife’s other cheek. I hate that guy.

    SF September 6, 2006, 3:17 pm
  • Fact is this: Yankee fans rooted for the Red Sox in 1986. Period. End of story.
    The fact they use the ’86 Series to tweak Red Sox fans is just using a needle where it hurts when they get all uppity. Fact is, Yankee fans would have preferred the Mets lose in 1986 during the time it happened.
    And Bruce Hurst was awesome.

    Jonah Falcon September 7, 2006, 1:51 pm
  • there are yankee fans who will never root for the redsox, and some who will never root for the mets. there are some that will always root for an AL team and some that will always root for a New York team..
    i know that half of all yankee fans i encountered rooted for the red sox in the 2004 world series.
    me personally, i;m a yankee fan who rooted for the redsox a few years ago in the world series, because i felt they deserved it. i also rooted for the mets in 86 because i love new york. i dont hate any team. i just love my yankees most….

    twink September 19, 2006, 12:24 pm
  • Hi Jonah. I;m a big fan of your cable access show… and i agree. i would NEVER root for the mets. Never! and i did root for the red sox in 86 and i;m a born and raised New Yorker…
    BTW concerning your cable access show. i discovered it in kind of an odd way… Sal and Richard from the Howard Stern show prank call you all the time, and they play the clips on his radio show. Oddly, thats how i discovered your show…

    sal richards September 19, 2006, 12:28 pm
  • i agree with twink… you ask a new york yankee fan, you get different responses…
    i was one of the “half” of yankee fans who rooted for the red sox in the 2004 world series. they beat us fair and square and it was an incredible comeback and earned the respect of a lot of new york fans.
    i remember going into a pizza place in coney island avenue 2 years ago and hearing the guys behind and in front of the counter argue vehemently about who to root for in the world series. some yankee fans said “Never, i will never root for the red sox”.. but others said “how could you not?”
    and i think thats one of the things about yankee fans. most of us never hated the red sox. who we hated was the red sox fans who always ranted about our payrolls and bitched about always being in second place and threw batteries at yankee players and acted like assholes. (not all of them. you guys are cool. ;)
    but the team had my respect. and i had to watch them win game 4 of the series cause that was just history.
    but the yankees/mets rivalry is a WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. because we have to endure these mets fans all the time. always talking shit about their shitty freaking team. i will never EVER root for the mets, except just to root for them into the world series so that they can be personally crushed by the new york yankees.

    joebrooklyn September 22, 2006, 7:55 pm
  • just one last thing… yankee fans dont think a whole lot about the red sox….
    if you live in new york, you know this. yankees/mets.. thats the REAL ny rivalry.

    joe brooklyn September 22, 2006, 7:57 pm
  • …oi…where do i start here…
    1. lupica is a lacky, owned by espn, suckled at the teat of john saunders, a devout yankee-hater.
    2. brad, not all yankee fans are “egocentric”…i happen to believe that it is sox fans’ right to root against the yanks…i’m cool with that and understand the psychogology of it.
    3. the mets are, well, the mets…’nuff said….but, they do have willie, that makes ’em lovable.
    4. sf: yf’s are not all hysterical, and i’m hurt by the accusation…AAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
    5. jonah: you’re WRONG buddy!!…i would root for the mets [make that anyone] before i rooted for the sox…id did in ’86…so i’m an unabashed anti-sox yf…big deal…i’d understand the sf’s doing the same…no problem…
    6. i haven’t lost interest in the site…i enjoy the good-natured debate
    7. sf: the majority of the non-ny media is against the yanks…listen to the heads, while they may pick the yanks they do so grudgingly and throw the $ in our face…they are jealous of the $…but, i respect your choice to root against the yanks [see 2 and 5]

    dc September 22, 2006, 9:53 pm

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