YF Testimony Recap

Schilling: The current system is working.
McGwire: No comment.
Palmeiro: I did not take steroids.
Sosa: I did not take steroids.
Jose: Buy my book.

33 comments… add one
  • You forgot the parts where Schilling called Canseco a liar, a cheater, a scumbag, a loser, a heroin addict, and accused him of sleeping with his wife.

    Brian March 18, 2005, 3:16 am
  • Recap of this blog:
    YF: I will now make wild-ass assumptions and baseless generalizations.
    SF: Dude, you’re wrong.
    YF: All you Sox fans are obsessed with the Yankees!
    Just think for one second, ok? Why would Schilling agree to be on a task force to change the system, if he believes the current system is working? Hello!

    beth March 18, 2005, 8:19 am
  • Sorry Beth, you’re out of line, and wrong on the facts. Schilling made it unmistably clear that he believes in baseball’s current testing program. The “task force” is not designed to restructure that agreement (duh!) but to promote the idea that steroids are dangerous and that youth should not use them.
    As for my earlier “Team Toxic” post, I think the effects of Curt’s mouthing off have been pretty well documented.

    YF March 18, 2005, 9:35 am
  • What “effects of Curt’s mouthing off” do you speak of? This is a cryptic accusation, at best. At worst, it’s a moronic statement.
    The true “effects” of his mouthing off? Two world championships, both at the expense of the mighty Yankees. Not bad for a clubhouse cancer.

    SF March 18, 2005, 11:43 am
  • Is it any secret that Schilling is not the most popular player around the league? The guy has always had a bad rep for yapping too much and getting himself into trouble–he’d probably even admit this himself–and for Sox fans to pretend otherwise is ludicrous. Doesn’t make him any less of a player.

    YF March 18, 2005, 11:51 am
  • Schilling’s a loudmouth. Everyone knows that. But that’s not what you intimate in your “effects” statement or the “toxic” heading. Don’t throw out a (weakly) veiled implication that Schilling is some sort of clubhouse cancer (why else would you use the term “toxic” if you weren’t saying something negative?) when you have nothing to back it up. It’s totally lame. Again, what “effect” does he have? Please clarify.
    As for this past year, it’s pretty well documented that he was a loudmouthed inspiration to the entire Sox team.

    SF March 18, 2005, 12:02 pm
  • I’m sorry if I don’t have total memory recall on Schilling’s antics, but you’re the one calling him a clubhouse cancer. i’m just saying he has a record of making statements that have gone over as toxic with other players around the league, and if you don’t believe it, ask a-rod. is a-rod a dick? maybe. but the point is that schilling has been given a political post, and that’s something that he’s proven, repeatedly, that he’s not well suited for. If you can’t handle the truth, don’t blame me. I really don’t give a fuck. and i’m tired of this meme.

    YF March 18, 2005, 12:11 pm
  • YOU started this meme, dumbass.

    SF March 18, 2005, 12:17 pm
  • (How’s THAT for toxic?)

    SF March 18, 2005, 12:18 pm
  • “i’m just saying he has a record of making statements that have gone over as toxic with other players around the league, and if you don’t believe it, ask a-rod.”
    Well, ARod would certainly be an expert on the subject of making statements that have gone over as toxic with other players around the league, such as insinuating that no one in baseball works out with his intensity or has his drive. And there’s no questioning that he’s a dick.

    ajm March 18, 2005, 12:26 pm
  • YF, the only “ill effect” of schilling’s “toxicity” is that you see it as an excuse to run your mouth about how you hate him. we get it, already. and your opinion is your opinion. but please stop acting as if you have this army of people in agreement with you–unless you can produce something, anything credible to prove they exist. stop acting like what is only YOUR personal opinion of an individual is “well-known” or “widely documented” or “well accepted.” the only place i’ve seen schilling described as such a big, bad man is here. by you. and then a bunch of people trying to point out to you why you’re “out of line”…and you continuing to insist, even to the point of self-contradiction, that you are unimpeachably right.
    it’s getting tiresome.
    you guys have a great concept and a great pretense here–a representative from each team’s fans discusses current events from their side of the rivalry. a little trash talk is of course to be expected. but it’s really become a constant harangue about schilling and a-rod, and all the ways we should all agree with you, YF, that the sox suck, and we as sox fans suck.
    if it doesn’t change soon, you’ll have lost at least one reader (and site referrer). don’t know if you care or not. but i thought i’d tell you.

    beth March 18, 2005, 12:42 pm
  • That’s a bunch of phoney baloney. I think my most recent comment adequately addresses the Schilling/toxicity issue. And I think even SF would agree that, while i’m no fan of the Sox, what i put up on this site is a little more sophisticated than simple baiting and ad hominem attack. End of story.

    YF March 18, 2005, 12:51 pm
  • Well, YF certainly had his run of anti-RSN posts recently (the A-Rod obsession threads being the prime example), and I have certainly taken my share of lumps (the Power of the Hat Redux thread was particularly nasty), but I don’t think YF or YFN have escaped the pointed barbs of my own poison pen. That’s the point of this site, Beth, to rile each other up, post some serious and intelligent items (witness YF’s numerous eloquent book reviews for just a tiny example) and also get some humorous stuff out there that might bring a smile to both YFs and SFs alike, as well as to remind us not to take this absurd rivalry too seriously. In this specific thread, maybe YF comes off as a bit self-important and dissembling, but I’ve done that too over the last couple of years, probably more than he.
    I mentioned to YF that it was a bit upsetting that we seemed to get the most comments in the trash-talking category, and far fewer comments on intelligent posts about the game’s economics and artistry. Your frustrations echo mine, in a way. Don’t give up on us yet, Beth.

    SF March 18, 2005, 1:12 pm
  • Beth go home, Im kidding stop being so sensitive. This is the great world of the web. Oh Beth I dont like Curt, yes because he was a D-Back and beat us fare and square. Even more when he became Red Sox and beat us cheating. I also know at least 100 people who dont like or hate Curt haha. SF & YF its all in fun. Say no to steroids say no to pain killers. look Beth Ill make you happy good luck to the Red Sox 2005, only in spring training,haha. A-rod better damn well prove himself shit. Let me remind you if he doesnt start to come threw in clutch he will hear it from all of NY. This city will love you and will hate you 2 seconds later. I love baseball.

    El Duque March 18, 2005, 1:34 pm
  • Who are you guys talking about, the biggest rivalry in sports. what do you expect, but if I ruffled any feathers I apologize to you guys, not to my son yawkeydog. I will tread lightly and put some meaning into my comments. Keep it comin.Group hug

    Raymond March 18, 2005, 1:41 pm
  • “Even more when he became Red Sox and beat us cheating.”
    I really should know better, but, what the hell, I’ll bite:
    exactly how did Schilling ‘cheat’?

    ajm March 18, 2005, 1:56 pm
  • “I mentioned to YF that it was a bit upsetting that we seemed to get the most comments in the trash-talking category”
    Well, I guess that’s just human nature…look at all the comments generated yesterday over at Soxaholix when he wrote a strip mocking the new Yankee Coalition blog. And I’ll admit to being guily of it over here.

    ajm March 18, 2005, 2:15 pm
  • okay. i’m done with the other subject right now, because i’d just be repeating what i’ve already said.
    oh, and ajm, he meant to say “beat us bleeding”, because that’s what he did. beat you in your own house with one bum leg. that’s what happened, that’s reality, deal with it.

    beth March 18, 2005, 4:05 pm
  • Reality is that 2004 was last season. The last time you won the pennant was 1918, hows that for reality. Chilling was in condition to pitch unless he was given some to make him feel good. Bottom line the medication he was given does alot more than just take away pain. 26 to 1.

    El Duque March 18, 2005, 10:18 pm
  • Tiresome. At the very least you dumbass, bitter, and jealous Yanks fans could get the math right. For the last time, it’s 26-6.

    SF March 18, 2005, 10:57 pm
  • marcaine let him pitch 1-ER ball in game six, eh? and 0-ER ball in game 2 of the WS? why didn’t they give some of it to mussina, then? or rivera? might have helped.
    1986 was the last time we won the pennant, moron.

    beth March 19, 2005, 1:48 am
  • SF/ElDuque we need to get the stat right:
    Sox won 6 pennants: 2004 1986 1975 1967 1046 1918
    The Yankees won THIRTY NINE – Yes 39 not 26.
    The Sox won 2 World Series. 1918 2004
    The Yankees won 26 World Series.
    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/history/championships.jsp
    And I expect that 2005 will be the 40th Pennant and 27th World Series for our beloved Bronx Bombers.

    bronxborn March 19, 2005, 2:29 am
  • Wrong, Bronxborn. Regarding World Series, the Sox have won 6. Check the history, it’s really not that difficult. 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, 1918, 2004. Can we give this 26-2 thing a rest? Baseball didn’t begin in 1918, last time I checked. I hesitate to say it’s typical Yankees idiocy, but it’s all over Yankees comments, this “26-2” thing. It’s simply wrong.

    SF March 19, 2005, 7:29 am
  • Yeah, hate to jump in on this again, but the stupidity of Yankee fans is really astounding. My favorite is learning that a large number of these mouth-breathers actually think that ’04 was the Sox’ first title….apparently they didn’t even know what it meant when they chanted ‘1918’ to begin with. Learn something, anything about baseball history that doesn’t involve the MFYs. The five titles that the Sox won from 1903 to 1918 count just as much as the ones that the MFYs bought from 1923-2000. And frankly, all those chanpionships for Joe D and the Mick are just as much ancient history as the ones Tris Speaker won. Typical MFY fan: “Who’s Tris Speaker?”

    ajm March 19, 2005, 11:30 am
  • Can we just put a halt to all of the bullshit invective here? It’s stupid, and surely wrong. The idea that the average Sox fan has any better idea who the Grey Eagle is than the average Yanks fan is absurd. Although they should, as he was a Sox (and Cleveland….) star, not to mention a game fixer and reputed member of the KKK. But we digress.
    Frankly, it would be nice if the Sox would do a bit more, a la the Yankees, to embrace their early history. Where are the Harry Hooper and Duffy Lewis tributes at Fenway?

    YF March 19, 2005, 12:47 pm
  • “Bullshit invective”. Again, YF deflects, trying to immunize himself and the rest of his Yankee fan brethren for their historical ignorance, as if it’s just name-calling on our part. One very simple fact, and that’s all I am pointing out: Yankees fans keep posting “26-2”, as if the Sox have won 2 world championships. It’s tiring to have to continually remind New Yorkers that the Sox have won 6 titles. End of story – get the numbers right – they are in your favor and significantly so, even if stated correctly. Who has the problem here?

    SF March 19, 2005, 7:46 pm
  • I’m sorry but that’s not excusable, period. If there are a few ill-informed fans out there inaccurately reporting the Sox WS win total, that is ABSOLUTELY NOT AN EXCUSE to smear Yankee fans in general as “stupid….mouth breathers.” It’s degrading to Yankee fans, it’s degrading to Sox fans, and it’s degrading to this site. If you want to go around labelling entire groups of people that include yours truly as ignorant, find another site. I’m not interested.

    YF March 19, 2005, 8:45 pm
  • Oh, give me a break with your sanctimonious act. I’ve met far too many Yankee fans over the years whose actual interest in baseball began and ended with gloating about the 26 titles and screaming ‘1918’ at me to be lectured.
    “If there are a few ill-informed fans out there inaccurately reporting the Sox WS win total”
    It’s a lot more than a few; in all likelihood a majority.

    ajm March 19, 2005, 11:23 pm
  • Gee, AJM, I’m sorry you’ve had your feelings hurt, but I really don’t feel like running a site for kindergartners. Yankee fan called you a name? Boo-hoo. Doesn’t make it any more intelligent to go running off at the mouth yourself. The idea here is to have a discussion that rises above “You suck” “No, you suck.” If you plan on calling me ignorant, you’d better bring more to the table than slanderous broadsides.

    YF March 20, 2005, 12:54 am
  • TRUCE!
    The only thing for me, which YF still can’t get through his (at the moment) impossibly arrogant (though quite intelligent and historically unchallenged) head, is that many YFs (not YF himself, though) continue to insist that the Sox have won only 2 championships – it’s a charge all over this site and several others I have visited in the past 5 months. They’ve won 6. Can we put this to rest?
    SO: to all Yanksfans out there: If you want to insult the Sox and their fans for the depths which they trail the Yankees in the championship department (and I think it’s kind of a stupid tack, but go for it if you like), then stick with “26-6” as your cheer, which is accurate and still quite a disparity. No reason to get it completely wrong and make yourselves look even stupider in the process. Thread locked.

    SF March 20, 2005, 6:50 am
  • “The idea here is to have a discussion that rises above “You suck” “No, you suck.” If you plan on calling me ignorant, you’d better bring more to the table than slanderous broadsides.”
    You start a blog entitled ‘YanksFan v SoxFan’, and you expect it to unfold like a genteel Roger Angell Baseball Appreciation Society? I’ll let you return to elevating the level of discourse by posting snarky (but always high-minded) comments about how Curt Schilling is an unpopular, loudmouthed jerk.

    ajm March 20, 2005, 2:32 pm
  • AJM:
    As the resident SF here, can we just close this one out? I think YF is off-base here, on this we agree, but I don’t think the minds will meet on this one, so let’s just move on.
    To clarify: my ONLY request is that any numerical chants or insults related to Red Sox/Yankees historical records be factually accurate. With that, I offer my own: “Giambi sucks (and he’s stupid and a mouthbreather too)” ;)

    SF March 20, 2005, 3:10 pm
  • I love the yankees ive watched every yankee game especially when they kicked the red sox ass!!

    Christina April 7, 2005, 2:32 pm

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