You Again!?: Yanks-Sox Gamer X

We’ll start with an admission: we’ve had Red Sox/Yankees fatigue for a few weeks now.  The teams have simply played too many early season games for our liking, and the wonderfully emotional tensions of Sox-Yanks tete-a-tetes has been lessened, not just by the disparity in the standings, but also by the frequency with which they’ve seen each other this year.  Barely a third through the season, the rivals will have completed nearly 67% of their head-to-head contests.  That’s not ideal, dramatically speaking.

Tonight the festivities resume, this time at Fenway, and we have no choice but to embrace them.  Though it’s only been three weeks, much has happened in the time since Yankees fans (and supposedly the team) were given a shot of oxygen when Roger Clemens announced his signing during a seventh inning stretch at the Stadium.  On that day, the Yankees were 8 games behind.  They had the emotional momentum, if not the on-field momentum.   The stars were aligning.  And then reality hit.  There was no momentum for the Yankees.   They slumped.  The  Red Sox, playing good baseball, continued to play good baseball.   The Sox extended their lead — that Sunday following the miracle comeback against the Orioles the Sox were up on New York by 8 games, but that lead is now 13.5 (though the division lead is a mere 10, over the Orioles).  The Sox have been hot, winning series’ against the Tigers and the Indians, the class of the Central.  The Yankees have struggled, swept by the Angels and hurt by the Blue Jays.  Josh Beckett came back strong.  Daisuke Matsuzaka vomited, both on and off the mound.  Kevin Youkilis started a streak.  Alex Rodriguez went to see performance art, and then made friends with the artist.  He also exercised his vocal chords, famously.  Tonight our two teams reacquaint themselves with each other, and the needs of each team vary.   

The Yankees face the start of what is basically a must-sweep series.  The "we just need to start winning series" cry is certainly true (God knows Yankee fans want their team to "just start winning series"), but a 2-1 split of this troika doesn’t really get the Yankees anywhere, only a sweep does that.  Following this series they will have a mere 7 games left against the Sox, not enough to make up the differential in head-to-head action.  Conversely, the Sox can do their thing, take a game, and finish the weekend a gaudy 12.5 games up on their rivals.   We don’t hope for such complacency (and don’t have such low expectations), and we don’t expect the teams look at this series the same way, so intensity will be the order of business, in both dugouts.  More amazingly, the Sox can be swept (perish the thought!) and still have a 7 game lead on their next-closest chaser, and only if the Orioles sweep their series.  This is a hell of a spot to be in in June.  We couldn’t be much happier.  Of course, we can always be somewhat happier, and that would start with a win this evening. 

Use this as tonight’s game thread.  And no yelling during infield flies, please.

338 comments… add one

  • Ha!

    Woosta YF June 1, 2007, 4:16 pm
  • Mark my words over the next 3 days there will be an altercation between the 2 teams. I will go further out on the limb and tell you it will involve Alex in some way or another. Diamonds to Donuts!

    Triskaidekaphobia June 1, 2007, 4:38 pm
  • Trix I was thinking the same thing, I feel like the season/teams are at a boiling point for a large variety or reasons. Something very well may happen.

    Shawn June 1, 2007, 4:48 pm
  • I would like to slowly transition into a new name, this Triskaidekaphobia has run it’s course. Plus I think at times people think I am a chick! LOL.

    Triskaidekaphobia June 1, 2007, 4:56 pm
  • i said it last week (to no avail), so i’ll say it again. donnelly will hit a-rod when the opportunity arives. i hope yf’s and the yankees themselves realize this is solely about a-rod and not the team. he’s earned it.

    sf rod June 1, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • Is that before or after he puts pine tar on the ball? Just checking.

    John - YF(Trisk) June 1, 2007, 4:58 pm
  • How about..
    Varitekaphobia
    Trisk He-Man Warrior King, slayer of red-footed beasts
    h8-38

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 5:04 pm
  • I feel like the season/teams are at a boiling point for a large variety or reasons
    I don’t necessarily get this: what beef do the Sox have with the Yankees (other than the Pedroia takeout slide, which certainly seems like water under the bridge)? What point is there in the Sox getting into something with the Yankees? They don’t need the phony “galvanizing moment” that such an altercation might provide. If someone is going to start things for purposes of unifying their team, it seems more likely that it would be the Yankees who do that. And I seriously doubt that the Yankees think this way, either.

    SF June 1, 2007, 5:05 pm
  • Just a hunch SF, just a hunch.
    PS – The take out slide has been beaten to death, let it go. It’s baseball, it wasn’t dirty.

    John - YF(Trisk) June 1, 2007, 5:09 pm
  • Uh, Trisk, I let the slide go the moment it happened, and it seems that the teams did too. That was the point of the comment (and a longer post I made the day after). Not sure why you read what I wrote differently.

    SF June 1, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • oh lets beat it some more….the take out slide wasn’t illeagle. the pop up lung and flail unatural to baseball was. i’m not sure how anyone can root for that guy.
    is dropping the trisk a form of slump busting?

    sf rod June 1, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • You are right SF, my bad. Just read it too quickly.
    SF, you don’t see take out slides too much in MLB anymore. Too much respect and bla bla bla, but it’s as old as the game itself. As a player you are taught to do whatever it takes to break it up.
    As for my name, I am just tired of being confused with being a girl!

    John - YF(Trisk) June 1, 2007, 5:20 pm
  • Buster says Teix is available. Yanks in the market with Giambi down, I would assume.
    http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster

    SF June 1, 2007, 5:21 pm
  • i gotta guess zombrano is available after todays incident.
    “CARLOS IS STANDING IN GEORGES BOX, GOODNESS GRACIOUS!”

    sf rod June 1, 2007, 5:26 pm
  • Thought that was a heck of a post, SF. Very nicely done on summing up the state of affairs, and expressing the confidence we feel, but also the desire to keep winning.
    I’m gonna guess the series goes 2-1 Sox.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 5:30 pm
  • There is absolutely no reason for a Sox player to throw at anyone or start anything with the Yanks. This falls under the heading of “let the standings do the talking.”
    No reason to possibly wake up the Yanks.

    jp-sf June 1, 2007, 5:34 pm
  • “Mark my words over the next 3 days there will be an altercation between the 2 teams. I will go further out on the limb and tell you it will involve Alex in some way or another. Diamonds to Donuts!”
    I never said beanball. I just said altercation.

    John - YF(Trisk) June 1, 2007, 5:36 pm
  • And I said “or start anything with the Yanks.” It may well happen…and the Yankees could be the ones to initiate. However, I don’t think that starting something from the Sox side is either smart or needed.
    Can I still call you Trisk? I know you’re not a femalien.

    jp-sf June 1, 2007, 5:41 pm
  • If the Sox intentionally throw at A-Rod without provocation then they’re just as bad is not worse than they claim A-Rod to be. Same with the Jays, whose dumbass and universally-disliked manager really doesn’t have any grounds to be talking about ‘class’ at all.
    And for those ‘A-Rod endangered the players and he only cares about himself’ crowd, I’m pretty sure throwing a baseball at high speeds at a guy is a lot more dangerous than saying “WHOA” or “HA” at a thirdbaseman trying with all his might to catch a popup.

    AndrewYF June 1, 2007, 6:26 pm
  • Red Sox
    Julio Lugo, SS
    Kevin Youkilis, 1B
    David Ortiz, DH
    Manny Ramirez, LF
    J.D. Drew, RF
    Mike Lowell, 3B
    Coco Crisp, CF
    Doug Mirabelli, C
    Dustin Pedroia, 2B
    SP – Tim Wakefield
    Yankees
    Johnny Damon, DH
    Derek Jeter, SS
    Hideki Matsui, LF
    Alex Rodriguez, 3B
    Jorge Posada, C
    Robinson Cano, 2B
    Bobby Abreu, RF
    Josh Phelps, 1B
    Melky Cabrera, CF
    SP – Chien-Ming Wang
    And the tarp is on the field reported by Boston.com with skies getting darker and a thunderstorm to head through Boston around 7 pm.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 6:26 pm
  • I just finished an interesting read regarding Hah-gate, from an author that I don’t typically enjoy. The good stuff is on page 2 of the article from old-timers.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 6:31 pm
  • Really good read AG, the old timers are sick of the “everyone feel good” crap.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 6:39 pm
  • Gerb:
    The Globe today had an article as well, in fact it may even have been Shaughnessy, he spoke with several players and coaches, current and former. Yaz said that he thought the play wasn’t illegal, but that it was something he would have never done. I find that sentiment reasonable, though I am not sure he’s right about the legality – at the very least it’s vaguely legal, or vaguely illegal – I now have no clue. People have been mentioning A-Rod’s move with Pete Rose as context, and Rose’s grittiness and willingness to do anything to get ahead. That may be true, but the thing is that general sentiment of Pete Rose as a player was that he was tough — and incredibly dirty and unscrupulous.

    SF June 1, 2007, 6:41 pm
  • Andrew – I disagree. Alex earned a bruise from the Jays. When they play them again, I will be SHOCKED if he doesn’t get one.
    Of course, that will be followed by him being pummeled by Sal Fasano.

    jp-sf June 1, 2007, 6:49 pm
  • Game is to be started at 730 now

    Rob June 1, 2007, 7:00 pm
  • He earned a bruise? I’d like to see the bruise he caused the Jays, and not the one on their pride.
    You throw at players because they threatened the safety or actually hurt one of your own. Not because your third baseman made an ass of himself and your organization is a bunch of whiny morons.
    Here’s a note – Adrian Gonzalez of the Padres actually said it was a ‘smart’ thing to do! Is he ‘bush league’? And you’ve seen the even more egregious confuzzlement over the decades. For all the talk of A-Rod being a primped peacock, Sox fans and the Blue Jays sure are being primped peacocks on this one.
    “”Are you kidding me?” former Dodger Maury Wills said. “Sometimes I don’t know what today’s players are thinking. They get mad at every little thing.”
    During Wills’ 14-year career, he heard the same word chanted at him so many times, he thought it was his middle name.
    “Every time a grounder was hit to me, somebody on the other team yelled, ‘Boot!’ ” he recalled. “I heard it for years. ‘Boot!’ ‘Boot!’ “”
    The end. Please.

    AndrewYF June 1, 2007, 7:00 pm
  • No, he EARNED a bruise.

    jp-sf June 1, 2007, 7:04 pm
  • You say it in a way that makes it sound like the Blue Jays have every right to throw at him. We’ve proven again and again that they don’t – and if they do they are worse than what they claim A-Rod to be.

    AndrewYF June 1, 2007, 7:07 pm
  • > grittiness and willingness to do anything to get ahead.
    > he was tough — and incredibly dirty and unscrupulous.
    SF: Interesting stuff to think about. It’s remarkable to me that this “event” seems to have brought to a head metaphysical ideas about what baseball means, unwritten rules of conduct, to what players should aspire, etc. Adding in the juxtaposition of the way the game was played in past generations versus where the game is now (for example when guys like Gibson would drill you without hesitation for a perceived grievance where now pitchers are suspended for throwing behind batters) continues to make it fascinating thing to ponder, at least as far as I am concerned.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:16 pm
  • Gerb: a lot of things I have read from “Old Timers” are as mixed as the commentary here. Some have said “bush league” (as have plenty of current big league players and managers/coaches), some (Jim Palmer was quoted in today’s Globe) as saying “hey, great move!”. So there’s no right answer.
    The Rose issue is revealing to me. When commentators or players defend what A-Rod did by comparing it to Rose’s on-field actions that does enough for me: Rose played at the edge, oftentimes over the edge. This is clearly an “at-the-edge” thing A-Rod did, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Enough classy former players have the same sentiment as I do for me to feel like I am not off-base in finding what Rodriguez did unsportsmanlike and distasteful, “icky”, as I inartfully called it yesterday.
    As for tonight, I am at my a parents’ house in the middle of a lightning storm. The computer is 50 feet and two rooms away from the TV. As soon as I hear Jerry and Don talking about the game, I am off to the other, computerless room. Have a good thread, everyone – I will be back intermittenly, if at all.

    SF June 1, 2007, 7:28 pm
  • Game on!

    rootbeerfloat June 1, 2007, 7:32 pm
  • SF: Point taken. In fairness, I have to say that I don’t approve of the play, but I don’t disprove of it either, so it’s just baseball. There’s probably loyalty to ARod/Yankees in there that I am not fully acknowledging as being the swaying factor. Enjoy your evening.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:32 pm
  • Wakefield clean inning, helped by a great play by Lowell, robbing Jeter of a hit down the line.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:35 pm
  • Why not swap Lugo and Pedroia in the order?

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:36 pm
  • Lugo looks bad against Wang.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:37 pm
  • Lugo digs himself to 0-2 very quickly. Posada messing with the dirt, wants to get a good grip? Couple of fans get antsy.
    Lugo strikes out on an embarrassing swing at something low and away.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • What a remarkable hitting tear for Youk. Fantastic stuff.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • Youkilis hits a grounder to short on the 2-2 count.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Not a bad idea AG…try it out for a game or two (a series?) to see what results you get.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Youk grounds out 6-3 on a slider.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Oooohhh, the 2-0 swing was big, way ahead.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • Wang’s low on his first two pitches to Papi. The 2-0 is a change that Ortiz swung underneath. That should have been out of the park. Whew.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • Ortiz walks.
    Hi, ag!

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • The 2-1 is low; Papi chases but misses. The deuces: way low to make it full. The payoff: away. Papi takes his base. Manny up with two down.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • Howdy, Devine!
    Manny takes a big cut at the first hard sinking fastball.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:44 pm
  • Manny with a nice piece of hitting takes a slider the other way for a single, advancing Ortiz to second.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:44 pm
  • Recent pet peeve I seem to have discovered: crowds cheering at balls in play (grounders sometimes, but fly balls especially) that have no particular chance…like the grounder to short by Youkilis earlier. Admittedly they don’t have the view I do, but c’mon people, look at the ball.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • Wang brings one inside at the letters to Drew for ball one. The next pitch is a sinker low. the 2-0: strike at the knees. The next pitch is bobbled by Phelps. Bases loaded. Fek.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • Ooof, Drew should have been out there, off Phelps’s chest. Loaded.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • Phelps should get an E… yes, he does. Blah. Lowell up with two outs, bases juiced, takes a sinker low.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • Lowell swings over a sinker to even the count. The 1-1 is a grounder to Jeter, who throws high to second but Cano handles it and ends the inning. After one inning, no score.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:48 pm
  • Grounded to short. Back to the knuckleball.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:48 pm
  • Wang survives Phelps error. Promising though for the Sox that we started to hit Wang earlier in the game.
    After 1
    Wake 9 pitches
    Wang 23

    Rob June 1, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Bobby Abreu is going to come alive this series.
    There’s the prediction.

    walein June 1, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • Inside, then outside to A-Rod. 2-0.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Walk.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Watching David Ortiz be chased by a cheesesteak hoagie is somehow funny. Even when he doesn’t say a word, and looks like he’s going to split up laughing in the last shot. Was that his best take for that?
    ARod gets a walk to lead off the Yankee second.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Posada K’s on 3, looking, swinging, looking.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • Jorge looked ridiculous on that 0-1 cut. Wow.. great pitch to ring up Jorge looking for the first out.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • Abreu’s on deck…watch out Boston fans!

    walein June 1, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • For some reason, I expected to hear a much more raucous reaction to ARod than what we heard, at least over the TV. I’m curious what Lockland and other SFs at tonight’s game will report.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • Aaaaaalmost got him on the pickoff attempt.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • Wake almost picks ARod off first when Alex was leaning the other way. Really good move.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • A-Rod’s going…soon.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • Cano hits a blast to right. 2-0 Yankees.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Cano takes it over the right field wall to give the Yankees a 2-0 lead.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • “Watching David Ortiz be chased by a cheesesteak hoagie is somehow funny. Even when he doesn’t say a word, and looks like he’s going to split up laughing in the last shot. Was that his best take for that?”
    See that? That is the big drawback to living in the Golden State. I have to listen to the game on MLB Radio. But I do get better weather…

    rootbeerfloat June 1, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Devine: did you see that cutaway where ARod blew a kiss to somebody in the stands? He must be getting some serious chants.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Glad he’s taking the ribbing well.
    Abreu doubles high off the monster.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Damn, I just knew the Wakefield couldn’t hlp himself. After the 50th pickoff attemot you just knew that he was going to miss and plce a 64 oz meatball in the strike zone for Cano to kill.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Missed that. Pretty funny.
    Abreu doubles off the Monster.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Wake already having a minor meltdown

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • Abreu doubles….mark my words people…also I predicted 6-7 in a row for the yanks…they lost the game I said that ( but of co9urse I didn’t actually predict they would win that game…just the next 6-7)

    walein June 1, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • 3-0 count quickly to Phelps.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • Bobby on second, one away to Phelps. He takes low. The 1-0 is in. On the next pitch, the knuckle floats low away. 3-0: walk.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • walks Phelps
    the pain already

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Two more runs for the Yanks and I play Guitar Hero for a little while. I’ll be at tomorrow’s game (got get up early to catch a bus from Chinatown to Boston).

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Melky takes a ball then another away. The 2-0 misses (just) low. Then ball four. Bases loaded, one out.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • holy h*ll what is wrong with wake?

    rootbeerfloat June 1, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • The strikezone has left the building!!

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Damon up. The first pitch is outside and very low. The 1-0 is pulled foul on the ground up first. The 1-1 is way inside and gets away, but Miriabelli runs it down and Abreu holds at third. The 2-1: low-in. 3-1: ball four and Abreu is forced in. 3-0 Yankees.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • There he goes…he better hope for a double play ball quickly. 3-0 Yankees.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • Right on time. I’ll keep my promise and stick with the game.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • I’ve only seen two calls that were borderline. Jeter hits the first pitch into the 643 to end the inning. Why is he swinging there?

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:06 pm
  • Walks Damon….
    We know that Wake has historically had problems against the Yanks. Tavarez has been pretty effective against them this year. Of course, Wake pitches and already we are in a disaster. 3-0

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:06 pm
  • Not sure AG…unless you took some kind of pity on Wake and decided to help the guy out. Imagine, if it had been 8-0 after the T2nd, the thread would have died.
    Jeter did it for us.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • You think so, Rob? It’s two starts (right?) vs. history. I fully would have voted for Wake to start this game.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Crisp shows bunt but retracts; takes strike one. The 1-0 is away. 2-0: lined to right for a single.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • Crisp singles to right, a fair margin to Cano’s left.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • Mirabelli pops to 2nd.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Maybe Jeter was guessing Wake might throw a fastball just to get a strike and reset the system. But after that many balls in a row, why swing?

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Outside corner to righties getting called.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • I saw some stats on this Devine. Of course I may have misread them, but he always seems to struggle against them with the eception of the 2003 playoffs when he was owning them (yeah I know about the homerun in game 7).

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Pedroia doubles, though the ball didn’t get past Abreu.
    Oh God, Lugo.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Pedroia takes a strike on the outside corner. He then goes the other way and doubles to right field. Nice hit.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • I remember now, his record at Yankee Stadium is where I am mixing the stats up.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Dpod is impresing me. Being a little guy he gets mad props for his efforts.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Not completely useless, one run scores on the chopper to 2nd. 2 out, man at 3rd for Youuuuuuuuk.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Lugo hits a high chop to Cano scoring Crisp, advancing Pedroia. Two outs to Youk.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • At least Lugo got a RBI that AB.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Back in a bit. Enjoy the game, folks.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • JUUUUUST (three feet?) foul over A-Rod’s head.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • HAHAHAHA, arguing whether Youk swung. Wang and Posada thought the inning was over, apparently some other Yankees did too. Youk walks.
    Ortiz.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • Youk walks…Papi up.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • It’s 3-2 as Ortiz singles to left.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Ortiz singles in Pedroia.
    Manny to the plate.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Strike 1 to the Manny-man.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Manny singles to right, but Hale holds Youkilis.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • Manny singles.
    Drew up…not feeling real good about this.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • Come on, Drew. Something.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • 2-0, both high and away to Drew.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Good pitch Wang on the 2-0 for strike 1, then Drew fouls it off, 2-2.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • F*CK F*CK F*CK. 3-2 Yankees, and lots of pitches for Wang, but GOOOOD, Drew.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • Remy said the Yanks should be in a dugout after that (non)-strike, but it’s only the umps opinion that counts.
    I guess as long as the Sox are playing 700 ball it doesn’t matter, but how much more leeway does Drew get?

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • Drew is really beginning to piss me off. We have not been able to count on him in any way to drive in runs.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • That would be “God”, not “good”, of course.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • Wang has thrown 49 pitches an Wake 40.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • Yes! We can set a record, 27 LOB!
    A couple of thoughts:
    1) Wang got f*cked on that pitch to Youk. That made up for a couple that Wake got hosed on in the top of the inning.
    2) Is Wallace Matthews going to write a story about how painful it is to watch Chien-Ming Wang pitch in tomorrow’s Newsday?

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • Wakefield fields a comebacker from Matsui nicely, 1 down.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Well, at least the ump has been consistent in calling a strike-zone the size of a pop-tart.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Manny throws out A-Rod trying to get a double off the hit over Manny’s head! I thought he had a double for sure.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • not that it matters much, but the pitch to youk on both gamecasts i looked at showed it just a little low.

    C Lo June 1, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Posada K’s.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Wake with another 9 pitch inning.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • Oh wow. Fox News is trying to do their own Daily Show. Cute.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • Lowell plunked. I don’t like this crowd, too much calling for blood, it seems to me.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • that looked to me like lowell leaned right into it

    sam YF June 1, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Didn’t look much like that to me, Sam.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Crisp goes to 0-2 on a couple pitches outside, one looking, one swinging foul into the dirt.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • it may not have been on purpose but his body moved towards home. No biggie…

    sam YF June 1, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Crisp grounds into the force. Jeter doesn’t throw to 1st (Crisp too fast? Couldn’t get a grip on the ball? Don’t know.).

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • let’s get the double play here Wang

    walein June 1, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • I’ll say it looked to me like Crisp was out on the stolen base, but he’s safe, says the umpire.
    Replay…really close on the replay. I can’t say.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Lowell didn’t lean into anything. It was a garden variety HBP, no intent from Wang, no ability to get out of the way from Lowell. You don’t lean into a fastball on the wrist.

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • Ouch. Seeing-eye single does not allow Crisp to get home, and now Wang has a very good chance at a double play.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • I hate to say this, Pedroia, but you better get a hit…because if you walk, Lugo’s up next and the inevitable DP happens.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Pedroia doubles down the left field line! 2nd and 3rd, 1 out. Tie game.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • For everyone’s information:
    Most men left on base in a single game:
    AL New York [vs Boston]
    20
    09-21-1956

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • My Tivo says Crisp was out on the steal, but it was really close.
    Sox tie the game.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Dpod with two doubles tonight. Thankfully he takes away the easy DP so Lugo can avoid hitting into it.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • I LOVE DUSTIN!

    TJ June 1, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • I wish Wang could go back to throwing a sinker….this newfound slider changeup thing is killing me

    walein June 1, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • It’s full to Lugo, aaaaaand…foul. Again.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Wang = sharp as a marble
    Fortunately, Lugo taps a full-count sinker at the ankles foul.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Foul. Again.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Lugo hits to the worst possible spot; easy chop to third to seize Miriabelli in the pickle.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Yanks get Mirabelli in the rundown. 1st and 3rd for Youk, 2 out.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Thanks, LFRS. Nice situational hitting, trying to pull the ball. What a POS.

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Youk’s face is very, very red.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • (have I mentioned how much I detest Julio Lugo?)

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Lugo steals 2nd, no throw.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • So far 11 baserunners (at least, I may even be undercounting), only three runs. Not good.

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Remy gives credence to ARod’s side of the HAH.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Count full Youk. Wang at over 70 pitches. Let’s get Papi up, Youk.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • yeah but Wang is mid 70s in pitches…not good for the Yanks unless he starts throwing sinking strikes again.

    walein June 1, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Nooooope. Care to keep the game tied, Wake?

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • We are leaving way to many scoring situations on the field.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • Youk grounds into the 6-3; somewhat tough play, Lugo is in front of the ball but he makes the throw to first to end the inning. Tied up.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • I blame the fact that this game is tied entirely on Julio Lugo. I will not be swayed from this opinion.
    The Sox need leave only 12 men on base in the next six innings to tie a ML record. Yay, us.

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • Cano waits on a pitch to pull it to right to lead off the Yankee fourth with a single.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • In fact, I think I may start blaming a lot more than just bad baseball things on Julio Lugo, such do I dislike him. Global warming? Lugo. Lindsay Lohan’s drug addiction? Lugo. Pirates of the Carribbean 3 supposedly stinks? Lugo.
    That feels good.

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • I agree SF, Lugo is root of all problems globally.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • Cano takes second on a PB. Why should that not be a WP? It’s in the dirt. Aren’t all knuckles “wild” by nature?

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • 1st and 2nd, 0 outs. Phelps.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Disaster brewing

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Abreu walks.
    Wow.. cutaway shows Zambrano and Barret at blows, with Lou right in the middle of the mix. Ferocious tempers, all three I guess.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Mmmmmkay, I’m taking a break from this game.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • When did the Red Sox of my past reappear? LOBs? Check. No clutch hitting? Check. Letting a team, the Yankees in particular, hang around despite not deserving to be within three runs? Check.
    I need to get my flux capacitor fixed, I think.

    SF June 1, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • Now Wake hits Phelps on the shoulder. Which is basically like getting tapped on the shoulder, but it loads the bases for Melky with no outs.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • Is it some kind of suckfest tonight between Wake and Wang?

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • > hang around despite not deserving to be within three runs
    Well, he did load the bases earlier when Jeter ruined it.
    WP scores Cano and all runners advance.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Rob: agreed. Ugly game.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • 5 walks and a HB tonight for Wake
    And two WP/PB.
    4-3

    Rob June 1, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Melky reaches way out and puts it into center to make it 5-3, New York.
    Damon up .

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Is it crazy to think that when Lester gets healthy, the Sox should actually keep Tavarez in the rotation and move Wake to the bullpen? I can’t watch him pitch at this point — he’s brutal, and has been brutal, for several starts.

    SF June 1, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • Passed ball scores Phelps, Melky to second.
    Yankees 6, Boston 3.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • still no outs
    The Bad News Bears at least knew where the strike zone was.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:01 pm
  • A Hatrick of PB/WP!!!

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:01 pm
  • Nice short leash, Tito. Idiot. Bad Tito rears his head for the first time in a while.
    What part of the third inning didn’t alarm Francona? The rocket that Wake fielded? The hit by A-Rod that turned into an out? Wake was lucky to get out of that inning unscathed, and now Francona’s let him dig the Sox another hole. What an infuriating game, on all levels. Ugliest of the year, I think, at this point.

    SF June 1, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • SF: I don’t know if you read my post regarding skipping Tavarez in the rotation, but he was _killing_ the Yankees this year. This was supposed to be his start. link

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • SOunds like a sane plan SF. Wake is killing me with his pitching lately.
    We are losing and out hitting them tonight.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Jeter swings early with the same result: his second ground-out to short of the night.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Tito must think that going for a swep of this series is not that important. I would rather we went for the throat and tried to finish them off.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Matsui walks. That’s it for Wake. Snyder in.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • 6th walk issued

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Relax Sox fans, Wang has a lot of pitches. Eventually Sleepy will march out the usual suspects and then it’s anyone’s game!
    Joe is really grasping for straws, he’s back to the peach pit and he let Moose bring out the lineup card 2 nights in a row.

    John - YF (Trisk) June 1, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • Load the bases again!!

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • Good one John.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • Well, at least ARod got plunked. Somewhere, somebody will be happy now.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • Posada with a bases clearing double.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • I still don’t understand that Gerb. Not sure how you “earn a bruising.”

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • Cano flies out to right to stop the bleeding.
    Yankees 9, Sox 3 in the middle of four.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • Cano ends the inning he started. Great.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Heh, and I left just in time. More Guitar Hero, more Gameday, less watching the game live (plenty of time for that later/tomorrow).

    Devine June 1, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Rob: me neither.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Papi hits a comebacker right through Wang to lead off the Sox fourth.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Gerb, not sure if you saw this article from tonight
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2890628

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • Luis Vizcaino up in the pen for New York.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • Manny hits into the 643. Two away.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • We really needed Manny to get a hit there…really needed it.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Drew grounds out 4-3. Eight pitch inning for Wang. After four, Yankees 9, Sox 3.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • This is what Wang should always be doing. He’s obviously been spooked by the red sox and enjoyed the semi-success he had against them last time mixing up his pitches. However, we need to get him back to throwing lots of strikes with heavy pitches and allowing the infield to make plays. He’ll also get some complete games if he does that.

    walein June 1, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Drew with the 1st pitch ground out…way to go champ. Way to help the team.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • thanks, Rob.. good link. I like this part:
    Torre said. “I don’t sense he’s going to do it again.”
    Obi Wan KeTorre. Use the force, Joe.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • Yeah, I think that perhaps there was one of those one way conversations.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Abreu hits a double to lead off the Yankee fifth.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • The next time, ARod will round third and use the mind trick: “this isn’t the pop-up you’re looking for.”

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • > there was one of those one way conversations.
    I’m guessing you are right on the mark.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • This is caca. Wake always used to do a serviceable job against the Yanks and Synder has been doing decent out of the pen. What a downer.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 1, 2007, 9:29 pm
  • Manny made that play look interesting, but Phelps lines out to left.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:29 pm
  • Holy Cow does this guy ever throw a fastball???

    John - YF (Trisk) June 1, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • i don’t have YES and Sterling and Waldman are unbearable right now. Have to deal with Gameday. Either way, what a lousy night. Hope there’s some way the Sox can pull out of this mini-tailspin.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 1, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • Four-pitch walk to Melky. First and second, one away to Damon.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • would it be too much to ask for a dp here?

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 1, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Wow, Britton is up, NoMaas will be PSYCHED!

    John - YF (Trisk) June 1, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • JC Romero up in the pen for the Sox.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Sleepy woke up!!!

    John - YF (Trisk) June 1, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Meatball Romero

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • I’ve got the game on NESN. I have no problem, as a YF, to admit that I prefer listening to the Sox call.
    Third base ump _blows_ the call at third on the double steal.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • Mike Lowell has a “left hand contusion” says Tina Cervasio.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • Walk number 8 tonight

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • wtf happened to Lowell??

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 1, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • Damon walks to make it first and second, two away to Jeter.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • oh jeez. no more synder.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 1, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Jeter singles to left to load the bases. Bad call at third cost them a run.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Bases loaded __again__

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Who is playing first for the Sox?
    Wang hit him on the hand, not on purpose it grazed him.

    John - YF (Trisk) June 1, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Romero in for Snyder.
    NoSweep: He left the game in the fifth. Bruised wrist is all they are saying so far.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:40 pm
  • What John said.. he got jammed. Unintentional.
    Hinske is at first.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • Torre got thrown out of the game for arguing the (bad) call on Abreu at third on the steal, when Joe came out to argue in between innings.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Someone lit a fire under sleepy. Maybe Bowa gave him a hot foot! Oh well now he can have a nice cup of green tea, take a bath and go to bed.

    John - YF (Trisk) June 1, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • what’s going on? I’m confused sorry. I looked up and Torre was ejected.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 1, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • Not because it’s the Sox, and not that the Yanks have been the benefactor of some questionable plays/calls lately, but there have been quite a few times lately when I have been wondering why Joe doesn’t come out and show some fire and say, “Why are you fucking us?” It’s about damned time.
    Sorry for the profanity. I’m pissed.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • NoSleep: Abreu got thrown out at third on a double steal last inning. It was a bad call.
    Bowa argued, Torre came out and argued. Play resumed. In between innings, the arguing started again. Torre got the boot.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • so……it’s just sit around and hope youk gets a hit time. lovely.

    sf rod June 1, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • the umpires aren’t screwing us ag, they just suck…check with bpud, the fish rots from the head…

    dc June 1, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • On second thought, unfortunately, this is probably not the situation when a tantrum is going to have any effect on the players in seeing their manager carry their case to the blue men.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Gotta check out for a bit folks, the little man just woke up from a nap and demands my attention. Enjoy the game, for better or worse. Hopefully will be back later.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • ok, thanks guys. overall, this sucks and I hate losing to the Yanks. Hopefully something can turn around in a big hurry.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 1, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • awesome, another scoreless inning by us.

    Rob June 1, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • WMP in right.

    John - YF (Trisk) June 1, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Remy, on the people wearing plastic blonde girly masks jeering ARod, “Yes, those are adults, doing that…”
    FUNNY.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • That could be the single worst slide I have ever seen……….

    John - YF (Trisk) June 1, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • You really suck Lugo

    Rob June 1, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • and there you have it.

    sf rod June 1, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • 21 LOB so far

    Rob June 1, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • On the plus side, the Sox are allowing me to finish this very funny, very sad John Irving novel I’m reading (not that those descriptors narrow down which Irving novel I’m reading–
    The Water-Method Man).
    Sox dudes, I just hope you’re making my birthday win one day belated so that I see it in person tomorrow.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • congrats to youk.
    nesn says jd left with a hamstring injury.

    sf rod June 1, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • Lugo/Drew/Ramirez 4 LOB each
    Youk/Ortiz/Crisp 1 each
    Lowell/Belli/Dpod 2 each

    Rob June 1, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • Manny being hitty.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • Jeter turns a nice 643 on a hop off the mound up the middle.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Manny’s reaction on the throw from Jeter to first was hilarious.
    Gosh, where is the door to his brain?
    For fifteen minutes, you’re inside Manny Ramirez’ head and then you’re dumped on the shoulder of the New Jersey Turnpike. I’ll buy that ticket.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • Happy birthday, Devine! I hope it was a good one, outside of the Sox showing tonight, and I hope you’re enjoying the book. Do you recommend it? I need something new to read.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • So Youk is human after all.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • Sorry, that was cheap.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • So far I’m very much enjoying it, ag (about 90% through), although I will say that Irving sometimes seems to fall apart for me in the last 20, 30 pages. So I’ll withhold judgment, but definitely not a bad book.
    In Cleveland, they have scored 4 in the bottom of the 9th to tie it against Detroit (Todd Jones is terrible), and there’s the 5th and winning run.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • Crap. Ms. Gerbil is a Tigers fan, being from Detroit. Between God-King James destruction of the Pistons last night, and now a collapse by les tigres, I don’t look forward to her reaction to this news.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • And thanks for the birthday wishes, mang. It was a good day, in that I was on vacation from work (which has had 14-hour days for a couple of weeks now, without any weekends off), and got to lay about at home as I like to do.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • > 14-hour days for a couple of weeks now, without any weekends off
    Sheesh. Brutal. I hope it’s some Jack Bauer CTU, save us from the terrorists stuff, ’cause that’s harsh.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Heading to the ninth, Yanks lead 9-3 after a Dustin Pedroia fly-out off of Farns. 11 hits for each squad, but the crushing difference is the eight free bags on balls from the Boston staff.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 10:49 pm
  • Videogame testing, “crunch time” leading up to a game’s approval/release. It’s a semi-annual affair.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Ummmmm, the bullpen’s been good? (and extremely used up…hope Schilling’s ready to go seven tomorrow).

    Devine June 1, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Oh Christ.

    yankeemonkey June 1, 2007, 11:06 pm
  • Does this count as a skirmish?
    Stupid “Yankees suck” chant? Check.

    Devine June 1, 2007, 11:06 pm
  • Youkilis was diving over the plate there.

    sam YF June 1, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Was Proctor really throwing at him on purpose? Possible, I guess…not a nice thing to do, as Michael Kay (!) points out.

    yankeemonkey June 1, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Guess Scotty decided he could use another 4 days off. Heh.

    yankeemonkey June 1, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • bush league by Proctor. inexcusable. bad baseball

    m.g. yanks fan June 1, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • youk over-reacts, bummer because he’s a sox that i like…proctor’s not throwing at him with 2 strikes and a 6 run lead…ump over-reacts, geez what a shock and screws up…hello bpud!!!

    dc June 1, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • OF al the Bosox hypocrisy, and trust me its a long list, whining about getting thrown at by Yankees pitchers is near the top.

    Michael T June 1, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Really, really dumb. Absolutely inexcusable. What was he thinking?!

    yankeemonkey June 1, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • i agree DC i dont think it was on purpose either. That ball was barely inside, Kevin was hanging ove the plate.

    sam YF June 1, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • No…it wasn’t *barely* inside. It was waaaaay inside and headed right for his ear. No way Proctor’s control is THAT bad.
    WTF is going on in this game? Mo comes in in the middle of the AB with a 6 run lead. Sheesh.

    yankeemonkey June 1, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • “And believe me, it’s a long list.”
    Yeah, way to demonize the other team/fanbase. BS.
    Rivera in. Why?

    Devine June 1, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • Back at the game.. I will join the choir.. there is no way that Proctor meant for that to touch Youk. Scott looked visibly disturbed from the moment it touched him. That was not any sort of retribution. I understand why the umps have to run him, but for the teams to leave the benches makes _NO SENSE_.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • and i’m sure proctor was doing his bulldog walk to the plate to make sure youk was ok. bias bias.

    sf rod June 1, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • calm down ym, there’s no way that hbp was on purpose, and the ump over-reacted to the hbp’s earlier in the game…play the game….youk can’t move fast enough obviously…so he got a free pass…i like the guy, but he looked like a dick making jorge talk him out of being silly about it…if the umps are fair, they’ll keep an eye on sox retribution…or not…so far the umps get a C- in yank games this year…

    dc June 1, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Devine, because the Yankees have not given him any chance to pitch since… since… since… sinc… sin… si… s… …
    Manny being more hitty.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • choir.. there is no way that Proctor meant for that to touch Youk.
    really? that WAS NEAR THE HEAD thats not funny and any leauge. UMPIRE DID RIGHT THING.
    you dont thorw near a batters head.

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • OK, how about this one and not directed to a Red Sox fan. LL Calling the Yankees the Evil Empire. Despite the fact that the Redsox are effectively the 2nd richest team in baseball and effectively “bought” their only title in the past 90 years without a single home grown player.

    Michael T June 1, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • cant throw near a batters head unless Derek Jeter is up and you are a Sox pitcher?

    sam YF June 1, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • Um.

    yankeemonkey June 1, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • People don’t throw near a batter’s head on purpose, even when they try to hit someone, as far as I know. And being almost out of the game with 2 strikes, might’ve just lost an inside one. Totally overreacted..

    Lar June 1, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • sam YF June 1, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • if a red sox pitcher did that and i was doing the plate, I would eject him.
    as you notice joe torrie didnt come out… i wonder why

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • critter, if you have to make your point with caps, what was your point?
    Anyway, I agree that Proctor has to go, but there’s no chance in any sense that that was Proctor’s intention on that pitch.
    I don’t even know why I’m answering you.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • Joe Torre got tossed about 4 innings ago boss.

    sam YF June 1, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • really you must not understand rivals that way?
    alright than whatever helps you sleep at night.
    as an umpire i agree with HP umpire.

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • Whew. Game ovah. Got a little hairy there for a minute or two…Whether Proctor threw in on Youk on purpose – unknown, but it was way too close to his face for comfort.

    yankeemonkey June 1, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • because torre had already been thrown out for arguing another stupid ump call earlier in the game, critter…

    dc June 1, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • Youk needed a shave anyway…

    sam YF June 1, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • well sorry i got a life :| that dosnt revloud around all baseball games *rolls eyes*

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • geez, i noticed the reg. sox fans disappeared, or don’t seem as bitter as critter [poet]…but the sox still have a big lead so i remain…..so humble…

    dc June 1, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • In that count, in that situation, the last thing that Proctor would do is throw something at Youk’s ear. If there was a point to be made, it would have been done earlier. Proctor is not the guy to throw enforcement pitches; he is (unfortunately) too important to the rotation. He’s the ‘chop wood, haul water” guy for the Yanks’ Havarti rotation. If you were watching the pitch, you saw his reaction upon the fact that it rode in too high/tight.
    Choose:
    1) He was acting that he was disappointed, because he has _sucked ass_ lately and needs to convert his opportunities and be and asset
    2) He was pissed that he didn’t brain Youk with straight shit at his temple
    If you don’t choose 1, I have no idea what you are thinking.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • and asset = an asset

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • dc so beacuse the ump made a bad call in favor of red sox i am assuming, you call it a stupid call?
    now i will likey see that reply sometime tonight or tommorw possible.
    But trust me its NOT EASY BEING AN UMPIRE

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • dc he was assuming i knew joe was thorwn out… now if he said I was assuming i could understand and wouldnt give an attidue.
    but i am bitter? alright… Yankees won since they play a better game period.

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • attack no it is the perfect time to throw a pitch. you up by 6 runs. ball players can act. Just like the yankee fans
    cheering for a-rod than booing him…
    if they want to stay in game they got to pretend. but HP umpire ejcted him right away.
    and like i said i agree with HP umpire

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:40 pm
  • critter, I have no need to trust you that it’s not easy being an umpire, but 1) it is not easy being an ump, and 2) the ump did not make a bad call in favor of the Sox; he made the right call. Warnings had already been issued. There were already 3(?) hbp in the game. Proctor had to go. It’s really no big deal. For any Sox or Yank to try and frame it otherwise is patently false.
    Frankly this was an ugly, sloppy game with no need of field justice. The one guy hurt was Lowell, on a fister. Happens all the time.
    Let’s hope for better ball from both squads tomorrow.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:42 pm
  • michael t- Trot Nixon was a homegrown player on the 2004 Red Sox, was he not?
    And for the fellow Sox fans, they lost the first game in both April(16-8) and May(20-8). Hopefully losing the first game in June is more good things to come.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 1, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • attack thanks for more info in the game :) as i notice replys but they never metion any warings in the game.
    espaiclly when wakefield using kncukballs.
    now the 8t inining with our pitcher i think he should of been throw out of the game myself. i would of done it.
    and if you got time can you what happen when joe torrie agure a call?

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • Actually, Gerb, oddly enough there were no warnings prior to the Proctor pitch – that’s why Donnie didn’t get the heave-ho along with Scotty…I think a warning _should’ve_ been issued after Cano got plunked by Lopez because _that_ definitely looked like an intentional HBP.

    yankeemonkey June 1, 2007, 11:46 pm
  • Critter, you are incorrect. Regardless of how they act, Proctor getting knocked from the game for allegedly throwing at Youk is going to cost him (at least) a one game suspension (plus cash). It is quite apparent to anyone who follows the Yankees as of late that as bad as Proctor as been, gosh, they need him to be ready, not serving a suspension.
    Proctor did _not_ mean to throw at Youk’s head, or at Youk in general. I’m sure of this one.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:47 pm
  • ANd you can only throw at a bater after you have been given a tutorial by Taverez. And then if the batter gripes lie Youk did, the catcher should go get in his face a take a swipe. But keep his mask on.

    Michael T June 1, 2007, 11:48 pm
  • Proctor did _not_ mean to throw at Youk’s head, or at Youk in general. I’m sure of this one
    really? are you Proctor yourself?
    the only one who really knows is proctor.
    and as history shows red sox and yankees always have something with them.
    any thing near the your going to be thorw out.

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:50 pm
  • Thanks YM. Critter, my apologies. I thought that there was a warning after Cano as I saw some sort of todo and assumed that after the 3rd HBP there was an admonishment, but I was tending to the little demon. But my basic thought stands; Proctor is not the guy the Yankees would waste to hit an opponent. They need him _on the field_, in his earlier form.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:50 pm
  • sorry i miss “head part” :(

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:50 pm
  • Attack is cool :) i thought there would of been warings two..
    oh well there be plenty of warings tommorw game. if they get it in.

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:52 pm
  • No sleep-
    Ok you got me. One home grown player, while whining about the Yankees who had Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera, Posada, Bernie or almost half their key players for most of the run. You got me there. ANd the whining about getting thrown out was directed at Youk, not any fans. But I do recall on this very board the same Sox fans calling out for an Arod plunking back when he was so hot. And lets not forget all the kudos for Mr. Beanball himself Pedro. Remeber when he beaned Jorge and then pointed at his head?

    Michael T June 1, 2007, 11:53 pm
  • Michael T, just like jason did ;)
    did was that last year? or 2004 something like that.

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:53 pm
  • > really? are you Proctor yourself?
    That question works two ways.
    > any thing near the your going to be thorw out.
    (head) I assume is the missing word. No, but understand me that I don’t have a problem with Proctor being run. The game was getting out of hand on HBP, however, I don’t think that was his intent. You are, of course, welcome to your opinion.

    attackgerbil June 1, 2007, 11:54 pm
  • oh no dc. we’re keeping an eye on baltimore. they’re out west tonite and involved in tight game. they’re starting to breath down our necks.
    proctor is an ass. his reputation preceeds him. our entire bench was on the feild once or twice every pedro start for four years because of reputation.

    sf rod June 1, 2007, 11:55 pm
  • Pedro. Remeber when he beaned Jorge and then pointed at his head
    any remember when and old guy coach form yankees went right after pedro.
    or when a-rod flips out on a ball that hits him.
    when the pitcher is know to hit battres all the time…
    and try to **** slap him..
    a-rod is now just making it worse for him. you know he is a good player.
    I wouldnt make fun of yankees since they are one of the best teams in al.
    are they the best no, and no i do think red sox are either.

    critter June 1, 2007, 11:58 pm
  • oh ok i thought this was a sox yanks page ;)
    we can talk about other teams? as long as we stay on topic?
    im new here to guys :)
    My real name is Chris

    critter June 2, 2007, 12:00 am
  • i don’t know if there was a warning or not…even if there was, the umpires are allowed to use some discretion…for crying out loud…and if there wasn’t a warning, which i certainly missed, my accusation of the umpires stands…it was either anti-yankee or stupid…and yes critter, it was you who called it a “bad call in favor of the red sox”…

    dc June 2, 2007, 12:00 am
  • by the way critter, to refresh your memory, pedro threw the 80 year old guy to the ground…classy

    dc June 2, 2007, 12:02 am
  • lol. i said that since joe was aruging a call…
    so i thought it was a that went agasit yankees…
    tehically accodring to rules in baseball
    You cant agure safe, out, fair, foul balls, strike and ball.

    critter June 2, 2007, 12:06 am
  • dc pedro was defeind himself… why would an 80 year old charge some 30-40 year old pitcher? comon think about it.

    critter June 2, 2007, 12:07 am
  • 9.02
    Any umpire’s decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.
    ——————————————-
    thats one rule and let me get you the thorw at batter one
    ——————————————
    Rule 8.02 – Throwing at the Batter
    Rule 8.02 states as follows:
    (d) The pitcher shall not intentionally pitch at the batter.
    If, in the umpire’s judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to:
    Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or
    may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager.
    If, in the umpire’s judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially “warned” prior to the game or at any time during the game.
    To pitch at a batter’s head is unsportsmanlike and highly dangerous. It should be and is – condemned by everybody. Umpires should act without hesitation in enforcement of this rule.
    ——————————————-
    As is states he was doing what the rule book says. He was doing his job

    critter June 2, 2007, 12:12 am
  • i dunno Michael T- I think even without a ton of soup-to-nuts homegrown players (Youk was also with them that year, he came up that season) the Red Sox had a thick core of players with them for 2003/2004 that are still playing today. Tek, Manny, Papi, Mirabelli, Timlin, etc.
    And if Wakefield isn’t a true Red Sox by now, dear God when?

    no sleep til brooklyn SF June 2, 2007, 12:15 am
  • dc, by the way, good to see you back again around these parts.
    Did you see where Joe got run (probably defending something somebody else shouted from the dugout)?
    Also, seems like John (Trisk) was accurate (or sooth?) that there would be a boil-over tonight. Too bad it happened in a game that was, frankly, a pathetic effort by the Sox and just slightly less pathetic by the Yanks in that they capitalized on the opportunities afforded with a sub-par outing by Wang.
    What’s your opinion?

    attackgerbil June 2, 2007, 12:16 am
  • dc, by the way, good to see you back again around these parts.
    Did you see where Joe got run (probably defending something somebody else shouted from the dugout)?
    Also, seems like John (Trisk) was accurate (or sooth?) that there would be a boil-over tonight. Too bad it happened in a game that was, frankly, a pathetic effort by the Sox and just slightly less pathetic by the Yanks in that they capitalized on the opportunities afforded with a sub-par outing by Wake, whereas the Sox missed their chances on Wang.
    What’s your opinion?

    attackgerbil June 2, 2007, 12:16 am
  • Oops… sub par outing by WAKE, and the Sox FAILED to capitalize on a sub par outing by Wang..
    but I’m sure you know what I meant.

    attackgerbil June 2, 2007, 12:19 am
  • critter, you can argue anything you want to. The rules are only as rigid as the ump enforcing them.

    attackgerbil June 2, 2007, 12:20 am
  • too much wine, too much whine, and too much caps lock from yours truly. Okay, I’m going to walk the dog and take pictures of the Rose Festival Fireworks here in Portland. Good night all.

    attackgerbil June 2, 2007, 12:25 am
  • critter, you can argue anything you want to. The rules are only as rigid as the ump enforcing them.
    no you cant :|
    FINAL CALL IS A FINAL CALL.
    guess some yankee fans cant read

    critter June 2, 2007, 12:30 am
  • gerb, sorry i missed your last comment for the night, but joe got run for arguing a call at 3rd base…i think it was an abreu safe/out call, but i could be wrong…whoever it was was safe, but i’m a yank fan…of course….i’ve been absent tending to some family matters, but plan to be [somewhat] active again…
    by the way critter, you’re wrong…the rule says “if in the umpire’s judgement”…the umpire f’d-up in this case and showed poor judgement…that’s ok, they’re only human, as every yf is beginning to learn the hard way…

    dc June 2, 2007, 12:34 am
  • Judement calls are final period go read the rule. YOU CANT AGURE A JUDEMENT CALL
    inelse it intrupoes the rules. as it didnt.
    GET IT RIGHT.

    critter June 2, 2007, 12:44 am
  • 02
    (a) Any umpire’s decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.
    there is not if in that…
    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/umpire_9.jsp

    critter June 2, 2007, 12:46 am
  • re: 2004 red sox…varitek was not home grown but his only big league action is as a red sox. lowe only played 9 games before he was a red sox. garciaparra contributed, youkilis, a number of relief pitchers, trot, ellis burks! i dont think a single team consists of only their own farm players.. the fact that the yanks had such a large crop on their run that ended up being so successful is certainly exceptional but not very common and not likely to happen again any time soon.

    Ric June 2, 2007, 12:50 am
  • Ric-
    2004 Sox
    Garciaparra- thrown under the bus in mid season by Boy Wonder and pplauded after the fact by the Nation
    A number of relief pitchers? bzzt, try again the relief staff throwing 90% of the innings was was Foulke, Timlin, Embree, Leskanik, Williamson, Mendoza, Kim, Malaska, Adams, and Mike Meyers. Abe Alvarez did pitch 5 innings though. And Lenny Dinardo 27.7 with a 4.23 ERA was the leading home grown pitcher on the staff.
    Varitek and Lowe- OK that was a smart trade just like every other team makes (in addition to free agent signings) but it is the Sox brass and fans that whine about the Yankees being the Evil Empire, trading players, spending money, etc while doing it themselves.

    Michael T June 2, 2007, 1:03 am
  • And I forgot, your lone home grown “contributor” Trot pitched in with 149 ABs. And if you want to count Ellis Burk’s 33 Abs batting.182, despite the fact that it had been 10 years since he had last played for the Bosox then I think you’ve made my point.

    Michael T June 2, 2007, 1:07 am
  • This assumes everyone whines about the “Evil Empire” and the spending and the homegrown talent. Which isn’t the case. I don’t give a crap about that aspect of the rivalry.

    Devine June 2, 2007, 1:16 am
  • Michel t. it was beacuse the paid so much for one player a-rod.
    thats why

    Anonymous June 2, 2007, 7:42 am
  • Evil Empire? I haven’t heard that in ages. You watch too much ESPN. No one here uses that. Should we drag out every stupid comment Steinbrenner has ever made?
    I think one possibility Proctor got thrown out was to prevent any carryover. Proctor was “punished”, so now the Sox can’t feel like there is any unfinished business. ESPN is calling the game “a battle of beanball”. Idiots.

    Tom sf June 2, 2007, 10:01 am
  • Michael T sounds a litle more obsessed about the Red Sox than he is about his own team… The only comments he made this whole thread were to 1. bash Red Sox fans. 2. Bash the Red Sox. The topic of “Evil Empire” and payroll has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards, and they are almost always brought up by trolls.
    Michael, if you don’t have anything constructive to add here, go away.

    Paul SF June 2, 2007, 10:22 am
  • Why the hell are we measuring our dic-….teams as to which has more homegrown players?

    AndrewYF June 2, 2007, 10:23 am
  • I wonder why no one has comment on this, afternoon game…
    oh thats right yankee fans left i shame

    critter June 2, 2007, 9:33 pm

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