Your Official Andy Pettitte Self-Abnegation Thread

This has been a horrible situation for me. I’m hoping and praying I don’t have to do anything else with this.—Andy Pettitte

This pretty much sums things up for me, too. For those who somehow feel compelled to continue down this road to nowhere, the comments field is yours.

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  • Kat O’Brien has video of the conference on her blog.
    Andy said, “I do not consider myself a cheater.”
    Awkward. I guess I feel like Casey: “I don’t know if he throws a spitball but he sure spits on the ball.”

    attackgerbil February 18, 2008, 4:53 pm
  • if andy felt an obligation to use HGH because the yankees were paying him so much, why would he sign this year for $16,000,000? wouldn’t the obligation to use HGH be less for him if he was making around $5 million by his own logic?

    sf rod February 18, 2008, 4:55 pm
  • Maybe I’m in the minority here but I think more of Andy after this press confernce than before. He answered every question directly and even made sure with the reporter that he’s covered everything. Granted, the only reason I hated him was that he wore pinstripes – whereas I can find lots of reason to hate some Yankee players. But now I kind of feel sorry for the guy. A bunch of the other guys named in the MR have published a statement apologizing for a lapse in judgment and been able to move on. Andy’s one of the first guys to issue that kind of statement but thanks to the antics of Clemens, he’s pulled in front of Congress and in the headlines for weeks. Then let’s consider the guys who used but didn’t have McNamee or Radomski as a supplier and got away without being named. I mean, I still hate the Yankees but this guy is getting the short end of the stick.

    soxgirl February 18, 2008, 5:17 pm
  • i’m hearing alot of people with the same sentiments soxgirl. i just wonder what makes his statements believable now? the man is a certified and documented liar who’s willing to break federal laws to further his own self interests. did you feel bad for kenneth lay as well?

    sf rod February 18, 2008, 5:51 pm
  • > did you feel bad for kenneth lay as well
    There’s an obvious disparity in the impact and proportion of the transgressions.
    And… Lay is dead. And… I can think of 16 million reasons why I don’t feel terribly broke up for Andy.

    attackgerbil February 18, 2008, 6:09 pm
  • ag- you say “obvious disparity in the impact and proportion of the transgressions.”, but for me it’s not so obvious. i was gambling on baseball everyday in ’02 to ’06. pettitte effectively changed my bank account and my financial livelihood through his transgressions. as it did for andy, as it did for kenneth, as it always does, it came down to money.

    sf rod February 18, 2008, 7:05 pm
  • Hmm, am I reading YF’s post correctly or is he saying that the Mitchell Report has been terrible for him personally? Is he trying to equate a fan’s remorse at the shenanigans to the experience of those players who have had their reputations and legacies shattered by Mitchell’s investigation? Did I miss the Mitchell Report of the blogosphere or something? Was one issued that alleged that YF typed most of his entries on HGH?
    Come clean, YF. Either that or give Rusty Hardin a call!

    SF February 18, 2008, 7:34 pm
  • “i was gambling on baseball everyday in ’02 to ’06. pettitte effectively changed my bank account and my financial livelihood through his transgressions.”
    I didn’t see a “Just Kidding” but this certainly can’t be a serious comment. I mean how could one person who is doing something illegal be upset with another person who is doing something illegal?

    John - YF February 18, 2008, 7:56 pm
  • Maybe he meant rotisserie baseball, John? Otherwise I don’t get it either…

    SF February 18, 2008, 7:58 pm
  • Gambling on baseball isn’t illegal if you’re not actually employed by a team.

    AndrewYF February 18, 2008, 7:59 pm
  • Or if you are in a state that has legal gambling. If you are in say, Massachusetts, then how can you legally gamble on baseball? Or any other state that doesn’t have legal sports books? Offshore gambling is illegal, as are bookmakers.

    SF February 18, 2008, 8:04 pm
  • “Gambling on baseball isn’t illegal if you’re not actually employed by a team.”
    Right or if you are in the state of Nevada or offshore somewhere. Last time I checked gambling on sports (baseball) was illegal.

    John - YF February 18, 2008, 8:06 pm
  • “I have been friends with Roger and Mac for a long time and, hopefully, will continue to be friends after this.”
    What? I feel like I am in bizzaro world today.

    John - YF February 18, 2008, 8:11 pm
  • Couple of things.
    I took some time off from this blog last year to be outdoors, get control of my temper and impregnate my wife, not necessarily in that order.
    All three worked, and a month ago my wife gave birth to our daughter, Charlotte, who has already been given a Cubs onesie (ACK!) and pink baseball glove by her maternal grandfather.
    (Charlotte’s older brother was given an Ellsbury T-shirt for Christmas; the shirt came with the promise of no exchange or refund should he be traded before the start of the season. Or even before Christmas.)
    On Pettitte, he came off as believable, in need of forgiveness and desiring to share the truth. But the most important thing was what he didn’t say, which was anything in support of Team Clemens. Quite the contrary, in fact. If it was possible to poke more holes in Roger’s case, Pettitte did that today.
    So, Andy, for what it’s worth, I believe you and I forgive you.

    I'mBillMcNeal February 18, 2008, 8:37 pm
  • Welcome back, IBM. Congrats on the daughter as well!

    SF February 18, 2008, 8:44 pm
  • “Right or if you are in the state of Nevada or offshore somewhere. Last time I checked gambling on sports (baseball) was illegal.”
    Really? Those ‘boxes’ people ‘buy into’ for football, and the NCAA tournament brackets are technically illegal? I have to say I didn’t know.

    AndrewYF February 18, 2008, 8:58 pm
  • Well, I researched it a little bit, and for Massachusetts, it looks like it’s perfectly legal for an individual to bet on a sport, but illegal to set up an organized institution in Massachusetts that accepts money for gambling on sports.

    AndrewYF February 18, 2008, 9:19 pm
  • “i was gambling on baseball everyday in ’02 to ’06. pettitte effectively changed my bank account and my financial livelihood through his transgressions.”
    “Really? Those ‘boxes’ people ‘buy into’ for football, and the NCAA tournament brackets are technically illegal? I have to say I didn’t know.”
    The issue is that gambling on MLB is illegal, unless you are placing bets in Nevada. So just as HGH use is illegal unless it’s prescribed, so is betting on MLB games. How could anyone criticize someone for cheating or doing something illegal while doing something illegal themselves? That was the point of my comment. Where the NFL/NCAA comment came from I don’t know.

    Anonymous February 18, 2008, 9:29 pm
  • That was me.
    Congrats IBM, that’s great news.

    John - YF February 18, 2008, 9:32 pm
  • > pettitte effectively changed my bank account and my financial livelihood through his transgressions
    You didin’t say which way, and I doubt you could prove one way or another what effect his use of HGH or whatever had on your betting outcome. Could you?
    And to compare Pettitte and Ken Lay is ludicrous.

    attackgerbil February 18, 2008, 9:38 pm
  • Congrats, IBM! Glad to see you’ve made your way back here, and that we didn’t scare you off.
    Also glad to hear of someone else purchasing baseball-related paraphernalia for a girl. On Sunday, we went registering for the girl we have due in July, and all the girl stuff is butterflies and pink, while all the boy stuff is baseball and sports. It’s like baby girls aren’t allowed to be sports fans or something. :-P

    Paul SF February 18, 2008, 9:57 pm
  • Paul are you saying I should return the navy blue Yankees mobile with the Yankee bears I bought for your daughter?

    John - YF February 18, 2008, 10:07 pm
  • Wow – Andy and Kenneth Lay? So I hate the Yankees as much as the next gal but… I’m a Californian so the guy who shut power plants off during our energy crisis doesn’t even seem in the same league.

    soxgirl February 18, 2008, 10:09 pm
  • There is only one way for Pettitte to undo the wrongs he has committed; he must fess up to all the steroid abusers still in the Yankee clubhouse. Only then should he be forgiven.
    Spill, Andy, spill!
    (might as well, Andy. They’re going to treat you like dirt anyway. And don’t forget about heaven and hell… lying… St Pete.. all that stuff)

    Dirty Water February 18, 2008, 10:11 pm
  • Ken Lay’s transgressions cost the American taxpayers billions. And his lies bilked thousands out of their retirement funds. Ken Lay continued until the day he died to insist he did nothing wrong.
    The use of PEDs by Pettitte and the others stained a game that has been stained before and will be stained again. The operative word is “game.”
    Terrible, terrible comparison.
    Paul, Grandpa got the pink mitt at Babies R Us (also known as the most God-forsaken store on Earth. And if you don’t know that by now, you will soon.)
    I want to throw out a “What if.”
    What if Clemens comes clean tomorrow? Or next week? Will that change anyone’s opinion of him?
    I’ve been skimming the last few days and not paying close attention. But my general read is that about everyone has cast him off as a scumbag for the way he has lied and thrown so many people under the bus. He has no credibility anymore.
    I know that’s how I feel. I pretty much see him as another Pete Rose right now.
    I’m not sure that’ll change anytime soon, unless when he does fess up, he gets on his knees hat in hand.

    Anonymous February 18, 2008, 10:18 pm
  • No, I understand John. I was just questioning whether an individual betting on MLB was considered illegal outside of Nevada. Why specifically MLB? As far as I can tell, you can legally bet on (inclusively) dog races, horse races, NASCAR, and basketball (NCAA).

    AndrewYF February 18, 2008, 11:19 pm
  • > Those ‘boxes’ people ‘buy into’ for football, and the NCAA tournament brackets are technically illegal?
    Gambling is legislated at the state level so it depends on where you live regarding betting on pro sports/office pools, but betting on amateur competition is illegal everywhere except Nevada as far as I know. Office brackets don’t rise to the level of interest for law enforcement most of the time.

    attackgerbil February 19, 2008, 12:56 am
  • Quick clarification .. should have said “typically at the state level and on down to county and municipality.” .. and .. “always consult your attorney.” ;)

    attackgerbil February 19, 2008, 1:03 am
  • Hi Bill, said it before on another thread, but good to see you back around these parts. Congratulations on the new family member. I would have to agree with you on b-‘r’-u. I’m developing a similar hatred for IKEA and Target. Oh god, how I hate Target.

    attackgerbil February 19, 2008, 2:05 am
  • It’s funny how some Sox fans are reveling in this whole situation. It’s laughable to think that the Sox were clean. (or any other team for that matter) The only two people that would/were forced too talk to Congress were two NY guys…it could have just as easily been someone from LA or Chicago or heaven forbid…Boston!!!
    Get over yourselves. The guy took a drug that wasn’t illegal in MLB. Yes, he didn’t have a prescription but give me a break. It’s not like the guy was shooting steroids his whole career. He wanted to get better to come back and help his team…completely understandable. He lied about 2004 because he didn’t want to implicate his father…completely understandable. Stupid decisions all around, but understandable.
    He took it in 2002 and 2004, so well after the “Dynasty” so all that talk is a joke as well.
    This is just an excuse for Sox fans to rip on the Yankees, plain and simple. I hope this post isn’t viewed as inflammatory, I’m just sick of it. The guy did something wrong, fessed up and has put himself out there like a man and apologized. What more do some of you want???
    p.s. most of the haters also seem to forget there is a certain controversy about cheating brewing in your own back yard…glass houses people, glass houses.
    end of rant.

    krueg February 19, 2008, 11:39 am
  • Krueg,
    “It’s laughable to think that the Sox were clean.”
    I will just wait here while you find anyone, author of the site or commenter, who ever said anything remotely close to this.
    I’m waiting…

    LocklandSF February 19, 2008, 12:02 pm
  • Lock: I see you left off the qualifier as it pertains to my statement, “or any other team for that matter”.
    I’m not saying that anyone specifically said that the Sox were clean, it’s just the venom of comparing Pettitte to Lay that would allude to the fact that Pettitte or the Yankees Organization are some evil organization and that PED use is somehow exclusive to the Yankees…

    krueg February 19, 2008, 12:32 pm
  • Thanks, AG. I did see your earlier post, and appreciate it.
    I don’t mind IKEA. We’ve actually saved a lot of money there. But it does have one big, bad thing in common with Target: When you go there, you find too many things you don’t know you need. So if you’re like me, the problem with both stores is that you cannot go in them and buy only what you went there to get. Be strong, AG. Be strong.
    Moving on to less important things …
    Krueg, your conclusion is way off base. It has been estimated that the MR uncovered, at best, 15 percent of the PED users in baseball. I believe that because it didn’t name Bonds or Sosa or Jason Giambi.
    I don’t think that any of the Red Sox fans who post in here, me included, are naive enough to believe that our team is completeoly clean. Two players on last year’s team – Donnelly and Gagne – were named. I’m sure I was as surprised and disappointed as you that Pettitte was named.
    Remember: Pettitte’s use was in Houston and Clemens’ use started in Toronto.
    Clemens’ PED use, IMHO, is more the result of his enourmous ego, which he has possessed since he was a child growing up in Texas (he now is a child living in Texas) than his affiliation to NYY.
    So cut out the phony pity party. Your protests only tell me that you’re pissed that you can’t hold up David Ortiz and laugh at us.

    Anonymous February 19, 2008, 7:21 pm
  • That last one was me. To prove it, I need to take a shot at NYY: I’m gonna love Hank as the NYY mouthpiece.

    I'mBillMcNeal February 19, 2008, 7:23 pm
  • “So cut out the phony pity party. Your protests only tell me that you’re pissed that you can’t hold up David Ortiz and laugh at us.”
    Um….no. I really could care less who was or wasn’t on PED, Ortiz included. I just take issue with comparing Andy Pettitte to Kenneth Lay. Trying to make that correlation is absolutely ridiculous.

    krueg February 20, 2008, 9:47 am
  • Fair enough. But understand that the objectionable comment was made by one person and other Sox fans also took him to task for it. (Rant over.)

    I'mBillMcNeal February 20, 2008, 10:35 am
  • Not to beat a dead horse at this point but I’m pretty sure I said “some Sox fans” not “all”…

    krueg February 20, 2008, 11:25 am
  • When you don’t know what you are doing, do it neatly.

    ovaryBera May 5, 2008, 11:44 pm

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