YouveGotThreeHoursGo!: SoxRaysGamerIX

The Sox moved up tonight’s start so Celtics fans can flock over to the Garden FleetCenter for Game 1. A strange feeling in Boston. The Red Sox are playing meaningful baseball with the team closest to them in the standings, and no one really cares. It’s Celtics-Lakers later, and this is just killing time.

Still, that doesn’t make it any less important. Extending a lead in your division is always good practice. So comment away!

158 comments… add one
  • TD BankNorth Garden?

    FenSheaParkway June 5, 2008, 6:11 pm
  • Hold the lead!
    Drew doubles with 1 out, runners at 2nd and 3rd. He’s so amazingly better so far this year.

    Devine June 5, 2008, 6:17 pm
  • Kaboom! Manny hits a 3-run jack!

    Devine June 5, 2008, 6:18 pm
  • MANNY!!!

    rootbeerfloat June 5, 2008, 6:18 pm
  • I like the ‘JD Drew in the 3 hole’ experiment while Ortiz is out.
    Good start to this game, oh yes.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 6:21 pm
  • Any news on the suspension of Coco Crisp for sliding in hard at second base? No?

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 6:35 pm
  • C’mon Lester, get out of this shit. I mean really, Jonny Gomes?

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 6:36 pm
  • Crisp got hit. Shockingly.

    Lar June 5, 2008, 6:39 pm
  • Yeah, Crisp needs to go away for a long, long time. 15 games at the absolute least. Wow.

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 6:43 pm
  • Let’s see… that’ll be Crisp gone, obviously (stupid, Coco, you knew they were going to throw at you, and this is your opportunity to play every day while Papi’s out), Shields is out for throwing the pitch and throwing the first punch, Gomes probably (and maybe Crawford) for beating up Coco when he was being held down.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 6:47 pm
  • Wish I’d seen that sh*t. Bet it’ll be all over ESPN, though.

    Devine June 5, 2008, 6:48 pm
  • How long was Duncan suspended?

    Devine June 5, 2008, 6:48 pm
  • Me too, I’m just relaying from the SoSH game thread. I look forward to highlights when I get home.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 6:49 pm
  • The only one who deserves suspension is Coco, as he charged the mound and started the whole thing. He absolutely deserves every single punch he got in that beatdown. I didn’t see the pitch by Shields, but read it was around his feet.

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 6:49 pm
  • Andrew, I’ve got a feeling that if a Yankee charged the mound and three people beat him up while he was being held down, you’d have a slightly different perspective. Coco certainly deserves a suspension – charging the mound when he knew he was going to be hit was incredibly stupid – but you really want to let guys off for hitting someone when he’s down because he “deserves it”?

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 6:52 pm
  • Duncan was suspended for 3 games for ‘sliding hard into second’. Given that Coco wasn’t suspended for doing exactly that in a regular season game, I guess you can shave 3 games off his suspension after adjusting for the Red Sox rate, so 12 games it will be.
    Humongous screwup by MLB for being completely inconsistent in their justice. If Coco were suspended like Shelley was, this never would have happened.
    And my lord, that was barely intentional. It hit his thigh!
    Go cry some more, Coco. He was the instigator. 10 times worse than whatever Shelley was accused of doing.

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 6:53 pm
  • I saw it, it was pretty stupid for Coco to go out there, Coco will get suspended. BUT!!!!
    It was awesome, Coco comes charging out, Shields takes a swing, Coco ducks it and counters, connects a little with his Shields’ shoulder, then gets ganged up on by four guys, get’s taken to the ground by Navaro, then they just beat the shit out of him while Navaro is holding him down, pretty damn dirty on the part of Gomes and Crawford, they are going to get suspended too.

    LocklandSF June 5, 2008, 6:54 pm
  • “The only one who deserves suspension is Coco”
    Andrew, you’re either and idiot, or you didn’t see it, which is it?

    LocklandSF June 5, 2008, 6:55 pm
  • Selfishly, this sucks for my fantasy team, since I needed Shield’s innings..

    Lar June 5, 2008, 6:56 pm
  • “Duncan was suspended for 3 games for ‘sliding hard into second'”
    HAHAHAHHAHA!!! Not true, I see you forgot the spikes up part??

    LocklandSF June 5, 2008, 6:57 pm
  • “but you really want to let guys off for hitting someone when he’s down because he “deserves it”?”
    Here’s what I know. Crisp is out and hurts his thumb sliding into second. He actually has the nerve to take it out on someone, but it was the wrong guy! And THEN he has the nerve to charge the mound when he knew he deserved a fastball on his thigh.
    When you charge the mound, you’re taking on the whole team. Under these circumstance, when Coco had absolutely no right to complain, he got what he was asking for.

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 6:57 pm
  • Stupid move by Covelli.
    Even dumber by Gomes.
    Way to Duncan it, boys.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 6:57 pm
  • I probably agreed with Andrew until this happened. It’s true though, if Coco was suspended, then this wouldn’t have happened.
    But wait, what? I don’t have it on, but Crawford plays OF, so he must’ve ran in from what I’m hearing..

    Lar June 5, 2008, 6:57 pm
  • that was a nice dodge my coco… coco was taking some punches on the bottom of the pile but it didnt look like his face was bleeding or anything. time for a 2 week vaca for crisp though.

    Ric June 5, 2008, 6:58 pm

  • “Duncan was suspended for 3 games for ‘sliding hard into second'”
    HAHAHAHHAHA!!! Not true, I see you forgot the spikes up part??

    Oh right, completely different when a Sox player tackles the wrong guy at full speed. Either way, it’s pretty clear MLB completely screwed up by forgetting that other teams than the Yankees do wrong too.

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 6:58 pm
  • Good news everyone! The lead is back to 3.

    Devine June 5, 2008, 7:00 pm
  • Yeah, I think you’re just flat out wrong on this one. What Coco did was stupid and unjustified, and I don’t think you’re going to find much argument from me or any other Red Sox fan, but it’s still not okay to do what Gomes and Crawford did. Doesn’t matter how stupid you’re being in charging the mound, it doesn’t excuse everything.
    And I’d be saying that even if this was a Yankee who did what Coco did.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:00 pm
  • I hate this garbage. Fights are so stupid, and Coco really is responsible for starting this.
    That said, Shields made an idiotic decision. He got beat in the first inning, so he said “Screw it” and decided to hit Coco. He knew was going to happen. The Rays really won’t have a shot if they give up on ballgames that way.
    It’s hard for me to root for either of these teams right now.

    Kazz June 5, 2008, 7:00 pm
  • And the second inning is over an hour into the game. What is this, Sox/Yanks?

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:01 pm
  • cleats up in a spring game is a completely different story. a-rod and jeets still have payback comming. hopefully the ray’s won’t go latroy hawkins on them though.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 7:02 pm
  • I’ll waver. You may be right. But when you charge the mound, you’re asking for a fight with the whole team. Would I rather not have Crawford and Gomes beat the shit out of Coco? Sure, the less violence the better. But I don’t feel one iota of pity for Crisp for what happened to him.

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 7:02 pm
  • By the way, I actually haven’t seen this yet, so my comments refer to pre-fight.
    That said, I think Coco’s decision was probably stupider. I mean, the hit.. you can at least argue it, since baseball tradition, yada yada. But charging was pretty stupid.
    3 runs against Lester isn’t easy, but it was doable if they kept Shields in and keep the Sox at 3.. now we’ll see.

    Lar June 5, 2008, 7:03 pm
  • See, that’s different. I can fully understand not feeling any pity for Crisp – to be totally honest, I don’t really either, I’m more pissed off at him for being so stupid – but I’d still like to see Gomes and Crawford suspended for what was unquestionably really dirty behavior.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:04 pm
  • I want to focus on Coco ducking the hard right hook from Shields, it was pretty sick.
    For the record, Coco was stupid, he will be suspended and he should be, I’m not defending him.
    Gomes and Crawford are in for a world of shit too, that’s for sure.
    Also, Timlin and Cash totally got in there to defend their helpless teammate who was being held down and beat like he stole something, love to see that out of Cash, always see that out of Timlin.

    LocklandSF June 5, 2008, 7:04 pm
  • This from Joe C and Obie:
    Maddon bitched up a storm in the past about Bartlett, when he was with the Twins, putting down the knee and blocking second base. He told his players to slide into second spikes first and that would end it for good.
    Now that Bartlett plays for him and does it it’s OK.
    So Coco does that last night, probably a little high, and Maddon on the RS pregame show says the knee there is no big deal.
    Coco was a chump. Last night for going in high on Iwamura and today for charging the mound.
    But c’mon, Maddon. Should have told your pitcher to wait before throwing at Covelli. And then for Gomes to throw the haymakers like that. Complete bush. Just makes a bad situation worse.
    I know Ray wants respect, but you don’t earn it like that.
    At least Covelli didn’t go all Sexon on Shields.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 7:05 pm
  • I do agree with that Micah. My previous comment on the only guy deserving suspension is Crisp was before I saw the absolute beatdown that punk Gomes and Crawford put on him. Hmm, Gomes and Crawford involved in the two fights this year. Probably not a coincidence, eh?

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 7:06 pm
  • 10-pitch 1-2-3 inning from Lester. Now THAT is how to respond to something like this.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:08 pm
  • Full disclosure: I’m basing my opinion on the radio description and highlights from last night.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 7:09 pm
  • Wait till you all see it, it was awful and awesome all at the same time, I’m still all fired up.
    Andrew, sorry for the stupid comment.

    LocklandSF June 5, 2008, 7:13 pm
  • I would also add, from a YF-selfish angle, this is the way to get the Yanks back in!
    The Rays are going to hurt without Gomes or Crawford and possibly Shields for a start or two..

    Lar June 5, 2008, 7:13 pm
  • I wonder if Grant Balfour has ever killed anyone over stupid puns based off his name before. Because I probably would have, if I were him. Me, I think they’re funny, but then nobody ever accused me of having a mature sense of humor.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:14 pm
  • Look at Coco’s move:
    And the very start of gang beating:

    LocklandSF June 5, 2008, 7:15 pm
  • Oh man, I want that first one animated, Lockland. It was a pretty awesome move.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:17 pm
  • Wow, what a catch by Ellsbury. But now he’s in pain as he rolled his wrist.

    AndrewYF June 5, 2008, 7:20 pm
  • And now Ellsbury is hurt? You have got to be kidding me.
    Fuck this shit, I want Bonds on the plane to Boston tomorrow.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:21 pm
  • See Coco, this is why you don’t do that shit, you assface.

    LocklandSF June 5, 2008, 7:22 pm
  • Great, Jacoby’s out of the game with a bad wrist. WTF?

    SF June 5, 2008, 7:23 pm
  • ellsbury was at least flexing his fingers… didnt look good though.

    Ric June 5, 2008, 7:23 pm
  • i smell a moss promotion

    Ric June 5, 2008, 7:24 pm
  • Why can’t Lester get the bottom half of their order out? Ugh.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:27 pm
  • Got out of it. Phew.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:32 pm
  • Based on my totally unscientific viewing of the catch, I don’t think he has a broken wrist – I have fractured my wrists before, and it hurt a LOT. I don’t think I’d have been able to carry my glove in that hand.
    Hopefully I’m right.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:36 pm
  • Carter with his first major league hit. Congrats!

    SF June 5, 2008, 7:40 pm
  • mighta just sprained it micah…i’ve done that before…hurts like hell, but not season-ending…hopefully he’ll be back quick, i like the guy, even though he’s a sock ;) …by the way, fights are funny…what was coco thinking about?…of course it gets ugly in a scrum…question for sock fans: does yuke really have to whine after every pitch…i think he whines after ball calls just for the practice…

    dc June 5, 2008, 7:44 pm
  • SoSH game thread says X-rays are negative for Jacoby, just a sprain. Thank goodness.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:44 pm
  • Radio guys have a first report on Ellsbury: X-rays negative, but a severe sprain, it seems. Further examinations tomorrow.

    pale blue eyes June 5, 2008, 7:44 pm
  • dusty p needs to break out here and cash in. streaky hitters need to start streaking.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 7:46 pm
  • couldn’t ask for a hotter hitter than drew to come up with the bags full.
    dc- when o’neill did it, it was called gritty enthusiasm.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 7:49 pm
  • Youk whines a lot, dc, for sure. He might be better served with the umps turning it down a little, but on the other hand his play seems inextricably linked to his intensity, so who am I to say. But yeah, he whines a lot, not his best quality.

    SF June 5, 2008, 7:51 pm
  • Yes, Youk is simply part of a long tradition of hitters (like O’Neill) who believe they have never been thrown a strike they did not choose to swing at.
    JD works a bases-loaded walk to bring up Manny with two outs. 5-1 Sox.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:53 pm
  • indian playoff flashbacks dwindle to a bases loaded walk. good enough. manny- do work.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 7:53 pm
  • Professional approach there by JD, a RBI on the sacks-full walk. Nicely done.

    SF June 5, 2008, 7:54 pm
  • Manny eyes Gehrig …

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 7:55 pm
  • Manny!!!

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 7:56 pm
  • Two run single from Manny! This game is getting out of reach for Tampa in a hurry.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 7:57 pm
  • manny cashes in with a two run single. mr. gehrig can sleep a little easier.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 7:57 pm
  • Lester’s job here is a good, quick inning – no givesies back.

    SF June 5, 2008, 8:01 pm
  • everyone loves to point to the “turning point” in their teams seasons when their teams are playing poorly (the yanks have had two turning points this week alone). normally its a fight or an ejection. i wonder if the ray’s will look back at this series as the “turning point” in their season.
    wtf is going on between manny and youk. this team has become the 70’s yanks.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:03 pm
  • Anyone have any idea what this Youks-Manny stuff was about?

    QuoSF June 5, 2008, 8:03 pm
  • crawford hit by lester on a breaking ball. hopefully crawford won’t charge from first.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:04 pm
  • I just saw the video and I will say that Andrew is wrong, Coco isnt the only one who deserves to be punished. Shields threw the first punch, that will land him a suspension and a fine, Coco too, but Gomes will probably get the stifest suspension and fine and very rightly so, he was wailing on Crisp as Crisp was being held down on the ground.

    TJ June 5, 2008, 8:08 pm
  • gary glitter on for the ray’s. i thought he was still in jail in vietnam.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:10 pm
  • Oh for crying out loud- sounds like a helluva game not to be near a TV for. Coco’s move tonight charging the mound really pisses me off and then the Ellsbury thing…and now what’s this Youk-Manny thing being referenced above?!? At least _Extra Bases_ has filled me in on the other things.

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 8:11 pm
  • OK, I’ve obviously missed everything. I’m getting caught up on the Coco thing… but what is the Youk/Manny thing?

    rootbeerfloat June 5, 2008, 8:13 pm
  • OK, just saw the fight for the first time. Only I have to say is:
    Jonny Gomes, WTF?! What a mutant!

    SF June 5, 2008, 8:15 pm
  • so the ray’s put a shift on for cater in his second ML at bat. this coming after his first ML at bat was a single to left. maddon thinks too much.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:16 pm
  • Also, nice to see Carter get something going in his first few MLB ABs. I had a lot of affection for Wily Mo, so I’m eager to transfer it to him. And it looks like we’ll need him now!

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 8:17 pm
  • sw- between innings manny tried to attack youk in the dug out. couldn’t tell ya why. youk looked like he was confused. three coaches held back manny and pushed him into the tunnel. youk wandered out to the field. looks like both of them were in the dug out when the sox came back in for their half of the inning.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:19 pm
  • LFRS: still sucking eggs.

    SF June 5, 2008, 8:19 pm
  • I’m reeeeeally behind and missed last night’s game. Why were we sure that they were going to throw Coco?

    rootbeerfloat June 5, 2008, 8:19 pm
  • really, rod?! That’s whacked. Is everyone sure it wasn’t some sort of goofy “re-enact the fight” thing? Or were they seriously pissed off at each other?
    This is a total “WTF” night.

    SF June 5, 2008, 8:21 pm
  • nah. this was the real deal.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:22 pm
  • oh cripes. I will be so disappointed if what looks like a nice friendly team turns into a lockerroom full of people arguing.

    rootbeerfloat June 5, 2008, 8:23 pm
  • I am so confused by this game. WTF, Manny.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 8:23 pm
  • RBF:
    Coco slid into second HARD last night. That was his second slide of the game, on the first he apparently took a forearm from a Ray. So the effective trail of perceived wrongedness is:
    Coco slides into second, gets a shiver.
    Coco retaliates against said shiver with a hard slide.
    Coco gets beaned for retaliating against the original forearm.
    Jonny Gomes channels Kimbo Slice.
    It’s all so juvenile. Maybe Coco should have just walked to first, seeing as he was hit in a non-consequential location.

    SF June 5, 2008, 8:23 pm
  • oh cripes. I will be so disappointed if what looks like a nice friendly team turns into a lockerroom full of people arguing.
    Barry time!!!
    (I kid)
    Perhaps everyone hates Youk, not just Yankee fans?

    SF June 5, 2008, 8:24 pm
  • Good lord. I was just expecting a nice quiet loss tonight before the main event at 9pm (I mean, Shields vs Lester?), which is why I wasn’t planning on watching.
    And actually, I think I would have preferred that to what we got, which will be anything but nice and quiet (win or lose).

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 8:24 pm
  • aybar, who has hit lester had tonite, just had a lester fastball go behind him. i’m not liking any of this.
    lester at 94 pitches thus far.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:26 pm
  • Maybe Youk was pissed that they didn’t put Manny in the field and instead made Youk play on his day off…just a guess

    michael June 5, 2008, 8:27 pm
  • SF – And then somehow Manny charges Youk…

    rootbeerfloat June 5, 2008, 8:27 pm
  • twilight zone!

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:28 pm
  • Lester gets Aybar to GIDP after throwing behind him (don’t get suspended, Jon, ffs).
    Increasing the signs of Bizarro World, Lester did not in fact walk anybody in those six innings.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 8:28 pm
  • Hey, in other news, no walks for Lester through 6! Almost any other night, that would be my headline.

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 8:29 pm
  • michael- it probably has something to do with playing the field, but it was probably youk telling manny to grab a glove. which makes no sense because the sox would loose the DH. i really get none of it and unfortunately it’s one of those things that will stay inhouse.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:32 pm
  • Uh…I call jinx, Micah!
    And sf rod, “unfortunately it’s one of those things that will stay inhouse”?!? Call me crazy, but as curious as I am to find out what happened, surely it’s better for the team to keep it out of the papers, no?

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 8:34 pm
  • micah- i almost like to see a pitcher have to miss a turn (preferably not by injury). bowden would get a spot start and he might be better than buck and masterson.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:34 pm
  • Timestamps say 8:28 for me and 8:29 for you, stuck working! No jinx, I just won. :)
    sf: I really don’t want to push it, as good as Bowden’s been this year.
    Lester stays out to at least start the seventh…

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 8:36 pm
  • sw- my selfish reasons. but you know it’s gonna be all over sportscenter tonite. they should have a crappy reason ready for soundbites.
    now lester throws at floyd. didn’t look intent. but cliff stares out long and hard.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:36 pm
  • Lester throws inside on Floyd – a completely reasonable pitch, and Floyd glares out like he was attacked. Tempers touchy. Ump does nothing, smartly.
    Lester gets Floyd on the K. Nice. Cliff very unhappy, stares out at Lester. For what, textbook pitching?

    SF June 5, 2008, 8:38 pm
  • Uh, why is Lester facing Iwamura? Should have been pulled after giving up the single.

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 8:40 pm
  • Oh great, another HBP — I bet there’s retaliation next inning

    rootbeerfloat June 5, 2008, 8:40 pm
  • Here comes Timlin to make it interesting.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 8:41 pm
  • rod:
    don’t think he threw “at” Floyd. He threw an inside fastball, maybe 8″ off the plate. It was a good pitch, and it killed Floyd’s at-bat. I think it WAS completely intentional, but it wasn’t a pitch thrown at the batter, just an inside pitch.

    SF June 5, 2008, 8:41 pm
  • im sure Youk wasnt upset that he was put in RF, he knows that to put Manny out there they would lose the DH.

    TJ June 5, 2008, 8:41 pm
  • Nice work from Timlin to get out of there, with a tough AB from Crawford.
    [I apologize if I’m repeating others — with no comments in the last 10 minutes, I wouldn’t be surprised if typepad has gone haywire again. Although it could just be everyone in shock from all the bizarro-ness.]

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 8:52 pm
  • I think it’s okay, commenting just slowed down a lot.
    Good work from Timlin, surprisingly.
    I am amused by the mayor of Los Angeles. His proposed bet for the Lakers/Celtics series:
    “If the Celtics win, we’ll send you the best professional football team L.A. has to offer: the Arena League’s Los Angeles Avengers.
    If the Lakers win, we get the Patriots.”

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 8:53 pm
  • agreed. kinda meant “at” as a point of reference opposed to intent.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 8:54 pm
  • everyones getting their snacks and beer ready then parking their asses on the couch for the Celts game :p

    TJ June 5, 2008, 8:54 pm
  • Cash runs for Manny, depriving the Rays of a high-profile retaliation target.

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 9:01 pm
  • Cash runs for Manny, depriving the Rays of a high-profile retaliation target.

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 9:01 pm
  • MLB Gameday is confusing, it said injury delay, then Manny walks then Cash is a PR, so what happened? Did Manny get hurt or something.

    michael June 5, 2008, 9:02 pm
  • I’m trying to figure that out too. SoSH says he may have tweaked his hammy a little. Nobody really knows though.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 9:04 pm
  • more good news….manny pulled something swinging at strike 2. trainers came out and talked to him. he stayed in and walked where upon he was removed for a pinch runner.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 9:05 pm
  • Jeez, go away for a few minutes and another injury? Come ON! Can it be true?

    SF June 5, 2008, 9:07 pm
  • Oy fucking vey:
    Manny having hamstring issues?
    Link|Comments (0)Posted by Nancy Marrapese-Burrell, Globe Staff June 5, 2008 09:01 PM
    Manny Ramirez, who has had problems with his hamstrings, left the game as a precaution after walking in the bottom of the seventh. During the at-bat, Ramirez moved out of the way of a pitch, which appeared to tweak his right hamstring. Kevin Cash came in as a pinch runner for Ramirez.

    SF June 5, 2008, 9:08 pm
  • I am feeling less and less like I’m joking every time I bring up Barry Bonds. Ugh.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 9:10 pm
  • Nancy Burrell is a crappy reporter. She was pulled from the Bruins beat two years ago and has had the dreaded TV/radio/GA slot.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:11 pm
  • the sox owe me a pack a smokes for this game. i can’t stand to watch anymore crap go down, so i go outside and chain smoke.
    celts down 4-2. damn i need a smoke.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 9:13 pm
  • 4-2?

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:14 pm
  • Joe C and Obie also said that the umps didn’t have a problem with Covelli’s slide last night.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:14 pm
  • 6-5.

    SF June 5, 2008, 9:15 pm
  • Tito, um, Timlin …. ?

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:15 pm
  • Aardsma, Lopez getting loose. Cash had to run out to the pen.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:16 pm
  • I haven’t watched a lot of hoops in the last few years, but man, I now remember how much I dislike Phil Jackson.

    SF June 5, 2008, 9:17 pm
  • 10-10 on a Garnett slam following seven or eight steps. I hate the non-traveling call, de rigeur.

    SF June 5, 2008, 9:18 pm
  • Tough at-bat here. One bad pitch and Paps is going to have to warm. Don’t make me yell “retire!”, TImlin, ok?

    SF June 5, 2008, 9:20 pm
  • Phil (Phiw, as Pippen says) is reviled here in chicago now. …

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:20 pm
  • Timlin somehow gets out of it. Just let this game end already.
    And let me go home so I can watch the Celtics.

    Micah-SF June 5, 2008, 9:20 pm
  • Timmy gets out of it with a bases-loaded K.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:20 pm
  • K. Nice.

    SF June 5, 2008, 9:20 pm
  • Aside from Oki’s implosion the other day, the pen has been terrific of late.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:21 pm
  • Sox take high schoolers with four of first eight picks, including the first-rounder, who has committed to Tennessee as a QB and shortstop. … Snicker, I’d love for the Red Sox to take a QB away from Tennessee. … Anyway, can we surmise that Theo wants to stock the minors with young kids since he’s happy with what’s there now?

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:23 pm
  • i still believe hansen is the key to our bullpen. when his confidence catches up to his arm he’ll be the main cog.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 9:25 pm
  • Amen, Rod.
    Casey Kelly, Theo’s no. 1 pick today, is the son for former NYY SS Pat Kelly. Jesus, is Pat Kelly old enough to have an 18-year-old son? Wow, do I feel old.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:28 pm
  • And the sweep.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:49 pm
  • What happened to Ellsbury?

    Lar June 5, 2008, 9:49 pm
  • On further review, I’d have tossed Navarro, too. gameday has the clip. But it’s in such a small screen it’s hard to make much of it.

    I'mBillMcNeal June 5, 2008, 9:50 pm
  • Good heads up on the gameday clip – I actually didn’t expect it to be there.. though ya, it’s at least amusing..

    Lar June 5, 2008, 9:59 pm
  • I expected the pitch to be closer to the head too, since that really should’ve been an “end of incident” hbp..

    Lar June 5, 2008, 10:00 pm
  • Ellsbury sprained his wrist. Xrays were negative.

    rootbeerfloat June 5, 2008, 10:13 pm
  • baseball tonight crew backs coco on the bartlett bs from yesterday. not that i use them as governing word, i just wondered what in-the-know baseball minds thought about the play.

    sf rod June 5, 2008, 10:16 pm
  • baseball tonight shows a grainy clip of manny taking a swing at Youk and then shoving him in the dugout.

    michael June 5, 2008, 10:24 pm
  • I would dearly love to know why Manny was taking a swing at Youk.

    rootbeerfloat June 5, 2008, 10:28 pm
  • Gah. Who would have thought I’d be more worried about this team *after* they swept into first than before?

    stuck working June 5, 2008, 10:28 pm
  • The sox and the yankees each played the craziest games of the year for each team today. I wonder how this day will effect the season moving forward. Will the yanks actually sustain some momentum? Will the sox injuries be lasting and enough to hold them back in any meaningful way?
    I love this stuff….

    sam-YF June 6, 2008, 12:25 am
  • I think I’m with Coco on the Bartlett complaints. Putting the knee down in front of the bag is dangerous, and apparently is frowned upon in the world of baserunning, so he’s got a legit beef. Kinda weird he didn’t go after the infielder who actually committed the offense, but he may have already committed. In his postgame interviews, he seemed surprised Iwamura was covering on his SB attempt, and not Bartlett.
    So the initial fault for today’s business lies with Shields (and Maddon, I believe) — who reopened what should have been a closed case, particularly since Maddon ripped on Bartlett’s knee tactics before he managed him.
    Of course, Crisp — knowing, I’m sure, that Maddon was angry about the slide and not acknowledging that Crisp had any cause for the hard slide — should have expected to get hit, and that means he knew going in that if he got hit, he was going for the mound. As much fun as brawls are (and they ARE entertaining in that base, train-wrecky kind of way), that was incredibly stupid, proven especially so by Ellsbury’s injury later in the game.
    What’s amazing though is how little the Rays (apparently) have changed. They throw beanballs, act like goons during the ensuing fight, their manager acts like his team’s done nothing wrong — all while getting their butts handed to them by the Red Sox. The only thing missing today was Pedro on the mound, working on a no-hitter.

    Paul SF June 6, 2008, 12:48 am
  • I cant really agree with you Paul, Crisp’s slide yesterday really precipitated this. He was out by a good margin and went absurdly hard into Iwamura. No matter what Barlett did earlier, his act was more or less violent and could have really hurt Iwamura badly. It was really uncalled for. However, I dont think Maddon handled it well yesterday by barking during the pitching change.
    Today again, Crisp precipitated all of the events. He knew a pitch was coming his way. It hit him in his leg, nowhere near his head. He easily could have decided to run down to first but decided to charge the mound. I think your characterization of the Rays as “throwing beanballs” is a bit disingenuous as I believe any other team (sox included) would have retaliated in the same way. I will not dispute that they acted liked goons during the melee. Gomes in particular needs to attend anger management class. That all said, I think both teams are to blame for this and pinning on the Rays doesnt jibe with the facts.

    sam-YF June 6, 2008, 1:31 am
  • Baseball Tonight mentioned that Coco Crisp was an amateur boxer in his youth. Guess that explains his slip of Shields’ punch and right hand counter.

    SoxFan25 June 6, 2008, 4:53 am
  • I moved into a new apartment on Sunday and am without cable/internet until next week, so I missed the game. REALLY upset that I missed the Coco fight, especially since it was obvious that it would happen.
    You think it’s bad that Ellsbury and Coco left the game last night? What if Manny had been playing left field, instead of DH’ing? We’d have had to replace all three outfielders!

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 8:00 am
  • I would dearly love to know why Manny was taking a swing at Youk.
    HAHA did this really happen? That should totally be the subject of a Dugout post.
    Paul, I agree that Bartlett’s move was bush league, but Coco’s slide into Aki was WAY worse. As soon as I saw it the other night I thought “Wow, that shouldn’t have happened. Bad Coco!” I’m a die hard Sox fan, but the Rays were justified in throwing at Coco. Hell, I would want my own team to do that in retaliation.
    And to clarify the difference between this and other incidents that have happened, Shields threw at his legs. Not his head. If he had thrown at Coco’s head I would feel differently, but this is the way baseball used to be played and I’m fine with it.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 8:03 am
  • That all said, I think both teams are to blame for this and pinning on the Rays doesnt jibe with the facts.
    I think Sam is exactly right here. This was a silly escalation by Crisp of something that he had taken care of and then KNEW the Rays were going to take care of. Getting hit in the thigh? Take your f*cking base, Coco, ok?
    That being said, Shields was stupid, not because he threw at Crisp, but because he too a full haymaker with his pitching hand in the ensuing brawl. That’s just foolish, and I think Paul has something in his characterization of the Rays as still playing like they are a last place team, their manager has a quality squad on his hands but he acts like he’s managing the Johnstown Chiefs.

    SF June 6, 2008, 8:53 am
  • think Paul has something in his characterization of the Rays as still playing like they are a last place team
    Well they’re playing with a chip on their shoulder. The Red Sox were getting ready to sweep them out of first place, which increases tension by itself. Throw in Bartlett’s move, and Coco’s retaliation, and suddenly things spiral out of control.
    I think Coco should have taken his base (it was your thigh, not your head Coco) but it was still fun to see after-the-fact for me. I love a good baseball fight.
    By the way, Youk was yelling at Manny for taking his time getting on the field for the fight. He said something along the lines of “Next time get your ass out there” which set Manny off. This shouldn’t be a problem; these two are close friends that work out together in the off-season. As Pedroia said in the postgame interview, “Even brothers fight sometimes.”

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 9:01 am
  • Youk was yelling at Manny for taking his time getting on the field for the fight.
    I thought they were discussing “Hillary as VP”.

    SF June 6, 2008, 9:03 am
  • Just picturing Manny discuss something like politics sends me into a fit of giggles.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 9:06 am
  • If the Rays are playing with a chip on their shoulder, rightfully so. This team has been kicked around for years now. They were the worst team in baseball last year after all. They are finally playing well and they still havent garnered the respect they feel they should deserve. I dont think that you earn respect by brawling etc. but as other have said its part of the game.
    I agree with SF that Shields’ punch was a bit much especially with his pitching hand. I shuddered when I watched it since he is on my fantasy team!

    sam-YF June 6, 2008, 9:41 am
  • If they wanted the respect, they should have tried to win at least one or two of their last six games in Fenway. The way to get respect is to earn it, not get slaughtered over a three game span.
    But I agree, they have been playing better, and continue to get stomped on.

    Brad June 6, 2008, 10:52 am
  • Nobody has mentioned how impressive Lester was last night, it’s not easy to have a all that crap going on and keep your focus to pitch 6 1/3 of 1 run ball. Kudos to the kid.

    LocklandSF June 6, 2008, 11:12 am
  • Yeah, I take issue with the Rays suddenly feeling like they should have the respect of every team in baseball when they’ve been playing good abseball for a whopping two months and have been destroyed every time they’ve traveled to Fenway Park. Maddon mishandled this situation pretty badly, i think, and I was surprised he wasn’t ejected also.

    Paul SF June 6, 2008, 11:30 am

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