A Hardy Boy

J.D. Drew speaks, and you know that whole thing about how he doesn’t play through pain, and how he’s not gritty like Trot Nixon?

"… I was playing in terrible pain with a severe case of patellar tendinitis in my knee for three years. I came back from the injury when I was 50 percent. It was a terrible injury. … For three years I was in pain. They told me that even if I had surgery I would still be only 75 percent pain-free. It’s been a long road back and because I’ve changed my workout routines and changed some things, I’ve been able to manage it very well."

Yeah. What a Nancy.

40 comments… add one
  • So is this good or bad?
    Did we just pay a boatload of money for a guy that will always be a little broken?
    If we wanted that, we could have kept Damon.

    LocklandSF December 8, 2006, 11:45 am
  • At least now we know why he’s considered “injury-prone”. Though I give him props for fighting through it.

    Lar December 8, 2006, 11:49 am
  • The injuries about which he’s referring were fixed with surgery in 2003 and have not recurred since. So the fact that they haven’t I would consider a good thing, and the fact that he played through “terrible” pain for three seasons and put up the numbers he did should be encouraging going forward (it also explains his breakthrough, pain-free 2004 in Atlanta before being hit by that pitch in 2005).

    Paul SF December 8, 2006, 11:51 am
  • Or, “to which he’s referring” if we’re going to be anal about it, and I am…

    Paul SF December 8, 2006, 11:54 am
  • man, I can’t wait to see this guy rake and prove sooooo many people wrong. I’m going to feel so good for him if he can do it.

    Brad December 8, 2006, 11:57 am
  • I feel like he is still more likely to step on the wrong end of a rake laying out in right field and miss 2 months of the season.

    Seth December 8, 2006, 12:00 pm
  • Does patellar tendinitis go away? Doesn’t tendinitis just kind of stay with you?

    Nick-YF December 8, 2006, 12:04 pm
  • why? what gives you the feeling that he’s going to miss that much time? You think someone is going to plunk him again, or last year was a fluke, and he’s always going to be hurt?

    Brad December 8, 2006, 12:05 pm
  • No, he’s not gritty like Trot Nixon. He’s grittier. Just ask him, he’ll tell you just how damn gritty he is. He played through pain that sent Big Mac home crying like a schoogirl with a broken crush. He’s played through pain that was so painful, one time a trainer’s ankle broke just in sympathy, and that when he was only at 50% pain. His full on pain can be felt half-way around the world causing nuns to weep and show stigmata in the Vatican, but he’s so gritty that he’ll go out and play any way. Come to think of it, he’s the grittiest gritter that ever gritted a grit. To the G to the R to the I to the T. Drew Grit.
    “Drew said one reason he opted out of his contract with the Dodgers was because he wanted to feel secure and play in one place the remainder of his career.” Now that’s just a load of crap.

    attackgerbil December 8, 2006, 12:09 pm
  • Also, not that I don’t buy into the idea that Drew has tried to play through pain, but how is a quote from him proof that he does?
    The reality is that players have a wide range of pain thresholds. Pujols has played with a similar condition and hasn’t had to sit as many games out because of it. And players recover from injuries at different rates. It usually doesn’t have to do with the character of the player; probably more connected to the body. The important thing is not the intention of the player (which we cannot prove) but the actual results. Drew has not been durable throughout his career. His last three years mark the most time he has played without succumbing to a non-freakish injury. This could be a trend in the right the direction. But his history should make people a little leery. The Sox, undoubtedly know this, otherwise why did they build a games played incentive into the contract?

    Nick-YF December 8, 2006, 12:11 pm
  • I’ve missed you, AG.

    Sam December 8, 2006, 12:12 pm
  • I hate the whole “grit” appellation anyway. Trot Nixon is “gritty,” despite being injured every season since 2003, but J.D. Drew is not despite being fully healthy in two of the past three years. David Eckstein is “gritty” despite missing 20 games last season, but J.D. Drew is not, despite missing 20 games last season.
    It just doesn’t make sense. And I’m not sure anyone really knows what it means.

    Paul SF December 8, 2006, 12:14 pm
  • David Eckstein is gritty because he is 4 feet tall and weighs the same amount as an apple.

    Nick-YF December 8, 2006, 12:16 pm
  • Thanks, Sam. I’ve missed being here.

    attackgerbil December 8, 2006, 12:21 pm
  • I don’t know what grit means, either Paul. I have the itchy suspicion that it basically means a white player of average or less than average major-league talent who never seems to take a play off. However, I do know for a fact that Trot is gritty, because it says so right on his BR page.
    Drew has the right say what he wants to defend himself against LaRussa’s accusation, but I’d be more inclined to believe Tony, and playing the martyr card is just ugly.

    attackgerbil December 8, 2006, 12:27 pm
  • “I don’t know what grit means, either Paul. I have the itchy suspicion that it basically means a white player of average or less than average major-league talent who never seems to take a play off.”
    so true, AG.
    on another subject, because it turns out I’m the one yahoo YF on YFSF, why are you “indifferent” to a Pettitte signing?

    Nick-YF December 8, 2006, 12:30 pm
  • Drew is so gritty that it absolutely breaks his heart to leave LA, but he does it anyhow! ;)

    Lar December 8, 2006, 12:31 pm
  • I don’t have much respect for Tony LaRussa, and I think reports of his genius re: Edgar Renteria’s makeup have been greatly exaggerated (his 2005 season wasn’t much different than his 2004. It’s just everyone wanted his 2003 instead).
    So I’d be inclined to believe that LaRussa made up a bunch of crap because he was frustrated at a player and had to come up with some sort of old-school, witty way of saying it. Blech.
    I agree, you have to take what players say about themselves with a grain of salt, but what he says about patellar tendinitis jives with what was reported during the Manny business — that there are different levels, and there’s a level at which you can play but be in a lot of pain.
    I’m not sure how answering questions about his makeup and injury history is tantamount to playing the martyr card (although I thought the McGwire comparison was unnecessary).

    Paul SF December 8, 2006, 12:34 pm
  • …grits are good with butter and cheese mixed in…my sister-in-law makes an awesome batch for breakfast every time i visit…

    dc December 8, 2006, 12:36 pm
  • Nick, I’m worried that NY is going to end up paying a heck of a lot of money for an arm that gave up a lot of hits last year in a worst division in baseball. Like most fans, I was very fond of Pettitte when he was a Yankee, and was PISSED when they “disrepected” him or whatever that wound up in him getting away. I’d love for him to return to NY, be resurgent and triumphant, all that, I’m just not getting my hopes up. this quote probably sums it up: “You can never go home again, Oatman, but I guess you can shop there.” – Martin Q. Blank

    attackgerbil December 8, 2006, 12:46 pm
  • Fair enough, Paul. I really must seem like I have an axe to grind with Drew; I don’t. It just seems that for a self-described “quiet, non rah-rah, do what’s best for the team guy” he ends up around a lot of controversy and in a lot of situations that make him appear to be concerned principally about himself.

    attackgerbil December 8, 2006, 12:49 pm
  • Drew played two of his last full seasons in contract/opt out years. Grit is him wanting to get paid.

    Seth December 8, 2006, 1:25 pm
  • Drew played two of his last full seasons in contract/opt out years. Grit is him wanting to get paid.
    which, makes him not unlike every other player in the game…

    Brad December 8, 2006, 1:30 pm
  • Nope! Just Drew wants to get paid, that greedy, selfish schmuck. Jeter and A-Rod do it for the love of the game.

    tom yf December 8, 2006, 1:34 pm
  • I tend to agree with the people who say that players have different pain thresholds. Like someone said before, Pujols had plantar fascitis just about all of 2005. Who’s to say a lesser player would have just sat when the pain got too much? Manny just doesn’t like pain. I’d say he’s a Nancy too but the difference is he can still play with pain if we wants to. Apparently Drew is barely capable of it.
    The player with the most amazing pain threshold I know is Gary Sheffield, bar none. With that swing, and basically half a shoulder, that has got to hurt every single time.

    Andrew December 8, 2006, 2:02 pm
  • …i had the “opportunity” to help a friend move a couple of tons of sand by hand [shovels and wheelbarrows] the other day, and by the end of the day, i was pretty gritty too…nothing a good shower didn’t fix though…and not nearly as good as my sister-in-law’s grits with butter and cheese…mmm…

    dc December 8, 2006, 2:23 pm
  • Of course people have different pain thresholds. But what injury, since the PT that Drew is apparently free of now, should he have played through? A broken arm?
    Drew has a bad rap, and he’s obviously missed a good deal of time, but what’s the obsession with crapping on Drew for not playing with a broken wrist?

    SF December 8, 2006, 3:30 pm
  • SF – who are you talking to? I think most of us is just having (maybe a bit too much) fun, but yaaaa..

    Lar December 8, 2006, 3:35 pm
  • Just a general comment Lar. There’s been some discussion about pain thresholds and also whether Drew has played through pain willingly or not shown up because of it. Drew has made this issue pertinent as well, through his comments.
    I suppose I direct my comments to Bob Ryan, if anyone.

    SF December 8, 2006, 3:40 pm
  • gagne is expected to sign today… and the red sox are not the favorites… if you trust gordon edes…

    Anonymous December 8, 2006, 3:41 pm
  • The Sox have copyrighted the term “Gritty.” A Yankee can never be gritty, he can only be overpriced and a primadonna. Bill Mueller, gritty. Todd Walker, gritty. Varitek, gritty. Trot Nixon, gritty. J.D. Drew, gritty. Everyone the Sox have is gritty it seems. Please RSN, please let us have ONE gritty player, just one…..

    Triskaidekaphobia YF December 8, 2006, 3:43 pm
  • we had paul o’neil. that was it. we have to wait four score and six years before we get another.

    Anonymous December 8, 2006, 3:49 pm
  • the criticism leveled at him in the past has been about his inability to play through the minor nicks and bruises as well. He has been viewed by some of his teammates (eg. Chipper Jones a few years back) as being too willing to NOT test his pain threshold.
    Whether that is being soft or smart is a matter for debate. I think this is a good signing by the Sox. When I first heard it was going to happen I made the rather facile connection that this meant the end of Manny’s days in Boston, and so I thought all said it was not a particularly good move for them. I assumed that for whatever reason, the Sox had been convinced that they had to move Manny and that this was a contingency plan to make up for his loss in the line-up. So I thought it was more a desperation move, but recent events are changing my view. I am still surprised that they added so much payroll this off-season.

    Nick-YF December 8, 2006, 3:50 pm
  • Sal Fasano would have been gritty, but he shaved.

    attackgerbil December 8, 2006, 3:54 pm
  • I was joking about Drew pain threshold. He stood there like a man when those Philly fans were tossing D batteries his way. I also like how he tortured Philly so.

    Seth December 8, 2006, 4:00 pm
  • am still surprised that they added so much payroll this off-season…
    Yeah, Nick… you and everyone else in the world. Well, except Curt Schilling, who seemed to know waaay ahead of time. I’m going to start listening to the guy when he say’s things like that.
    Anyhow, I can remember hearing that it was Boston that won the Matsuzuka rights, and I almost had to sit down to wrap my brain around the concept of outbidding the Yankees at anything, much less something baseball related. Of course, had the bids been public knowledge, I hold no reservations in thinking the Yankees still would have won.

    Brad December 8, 2006, 4:07 pm
  • ESPNews is saying pettitte signed a 1 year deal with the yankees.

    Anonymous December 8, 2006, 4:09 pm
  • Ya, I hear it’s 17 mil, but no links yet..

    Lar December 8, 2006, 4:14 pm
  • “Source: Pettitte headed back to the Bronx
    After three years in Houston, Andy Pettitte is returning to the New York Yankees with a one-year deal, ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney reported Friday. Terms were not yet known.”

    Anonymous December 8, 2006, 4:15 pm
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