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Surest sign that Manny Ramirez will not be a Red Sock next season?

Terry Francona’s given up the chew.

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  • “He even had all of his cans of chew hauled out of his office this winter.” …I’m speechless. I also liked his line about, if the guys throw strikes, I’ll quit. If they don’t, it’s up to them…

    Quo December 4, 2006, 1:55 pm
  • 19 knee operations? Holy friggin cow, wobble. No wonder he’s so inclined to leave the pitcher in a few batters too long – he hates to walk out there!
    And, he had to have all the cans “hauled out”? How many were there? I mean, I know the stuff is pretty prevalent in baseball, but to have enough to be “hauled”… wow.

    Brad December 4, 2006, 2:05 pm
  • Good luck Tito, not very likely to happen though. Sheff said he was quitting in the beginning of last season too, yet in late September I saw him in the dugout w/a big lipper of Copenhagan. Worst habit ever.

    bloodyank78 December 4, 2006, 3:25 pm
  • you got that right, BY. It took me forever to get over it, and even still, I go crazy sometimes. It can’t be easier than guys who try to quit smoking.

    Brad December 4, 2006, 4:04 pm
  • Hell, I have a can of Skoal in my fridge right now. I try to keep it to a minimum, but I have finals right now, so the odds are against me.

    bloodyank78 December 4, 2006, 4:24 pm
  • I have a friend that hit a real bad patch a few years ago; he was plowing through about 2 grams of cocaine a night for a few months and ended up in rehab.
    To this day he swears quitting tobacco was MUCH harder than kicking cocaine.
    Good luck Tito!

    LocklandSF December 4, 2006, 5:31 pm
  • Two Grams?
    Holy SH*T! That’s a lot of blow to be going through every day. That’s more than a rough patch – that’s a rough field.

    Brad December 4, 2006, 6:03 pm
  • “hardest thing.. ever”
    (Simpsons comic book guy)

    Brad December 4, 2006, 6:05 pm
  • “If our guys throw strikes, I’ll quit. If they don’t throw strikes … it’s up to them.”
    LOL. They ought to engrave that in a plaque and put it in the Red Sox bullpen as a reminder to the pitchers.
    Good luck with that, Tito. Seriously, nothing would make me happier than watching you rock on the bench *without* that wad poking out of your cheek. Worst. Habit. Ever.

    mouse December 4, 2006, 6:48 pm
  • I still would claim that meth might be the worst habit ever. Although, granted, no one really picks up meth thinking it’ll be easy to quit, like they do tobacco. So maybe tobacco’s insidiousness makes it worse.

    Paul SF December 4, 2006, 7:23 pm
  • So, I’m hearing Manny has given the Sox a list of 13 teams he’d consider. Well, he doesn’t sound like he’s being too picky. Maybe this will really get done.
    Gammons is saying the Mariners are in on the talks with Rafael Soriano, J.J. Putz and others to offer.
    The Dodgers have apparently stepped back at this point, saying Theo was asking for way more than they would be willing to give up.

    whatever December 4, 2006, 7:28 pm
  • Soriano + Putz would be amazing. Manny is still Manny, but at least it’ll be a great bullpen..

    Lar December 4, 2006, 7:32 pm
  • Would love to have a starter — where pitching or position — back, though.

    Paul SF December 4, 2006, 7:35 pm
  • I wonder if Seattle would try to make Boston take Sexson? He had a pretty bad season last year OBP-wise, due to a sudden inability to hit lefties, but still managed to post an .842 OPS. And he actually earned his pay in the 2nd half, posting a 1.012 OPS.
    Clearly, the $14MM a year he’s due in 2007 and 2008 is absurd, but he probably wouldn’t be too bad in a much friendlier ballpark. In fact, I don’t think a .280/.360/.520 line with 35 HR and 40+ doubles is totally outside the realm of possibility. Thoughts?

    desturbd1 December 4, 2006, 7:58 pm
  • Ahem… .280/.360 may be a little high….270/.350 is a bit more reasonable. Still…not bad.

    desturbd1 December 4, 2006, 8:04 pm
  • Jerry Crasnick pipes in with this one:
    “Lilly is seeking a four-year deal in the $35-40 million range”
    The mind boggles. Ted Lilly for 35 MILLION? (and he supposedly has something like that already on the tables from the Cubs). Are you kidding me?! A 30-year old pitcher with a career 4.60 ERA and 59 lifetime wins. Amazing.

    SF December 4, 2006, 8:25 pm
  • …i wouldn’t be surprised to see the sox pull the trigger on a deal involving jj putz…after all, he’s the only putz in the major leagues not already on their roster…

    dc December 4, 2006, 8:34 pm

  • Jerry Crasnick pipes in with this one:
    “Lilly is seeking a four-year deal in the $35-40 million range”
    The mind boggles. Ted Lilly for 35 MILLION? (and he supposedly has something like that already on the tables from the Cubs). Are you kidding me?! A 30-year old pitcher with a career 4.60 ERA and 59 lifetime wins. Amazing.”
    And we start to see, perhaps, why the Yanks aggressively pursued Igawa.

    Nick-YF December 4, 2006, 8:50 pm
  • “And we start to see, perhaps, why the Yanks aggressively pursued Igawa.”
    Things might have changed since he said it, but Rosenthal claimed that the Yanks were still interested in Lilly, since “Igawa ultimately could end up in the bullpen.”
    Not trying to be a dick, and I don’t think it means a whole lot, as it’s just Rosenthal and he said it in passing. But it’s still worth noting…

    desturbd1 December 4, 2006, 9:14 pm
  • It would be bizarre if the Yanks bid $26 million for a long man out of the bullpen, but it’s possible.

    Nick-YF December 4, 2006, 9:22 pm
  • I’m sure the Yanks are hoping Igawa will be a decent starter, but I suppose if that fails, a role out of the pen would be the next step, in which case 26 mil. will seem quite foolish, even if his contract is only 4 or 5 mil. annually.

    whatever December 4, 2006, 9:38 pm
  • Word has it the Sox will be talking to the Halos and the Giants about Manny this evening.
    The Angels, after signing Justin Speier, might part with Scot Shields. That guy’s tough.
    What about Orlando Cabrera? Would Sox fans like him back? How about Ervin Santana? Jered Weaver? Drool….

    whatever December 4, 2006, 9:49 pm
  • Man,
    I don’t know about anyone else, but I would love to get my hands (ahem, the Sox hands) on Putz and Sexon. He’s a good first baseman, and a threat of a bat. I would not be mad at that trade.
    The Halos, on the other hand, in my own opinion, would be down right unbeatable by either of our teams with Manny in their lineup. What could you do with Vlad? His numbers would be off the charts with Manny behind him.
    The Sox need remember that they have to play the Angels a few times, and it could be meaningful at some point. Who wants to face that lineup with Manny in it?
    It’s sick.

    Brad December 4, 2006, 10:53 pm
  • …the serious rumor is that the sox are very interested in acquiring bonds…how delicious would that be…the team that abhors cheaters would be bringing home the biggest of them all…sweet!!!!!

    dc December 4, 2006, 10:59 pm
  • yeah, if that happens, I think I’ll boycot any game in which he appears.
    Ugh. That makes my stomach turn.

    Brad December 4, 2006, 11:01 pm
  • On another note: MLB.com is saying that the Rangers have come to terms with Padilla. One more down, and I’m sure at a high price, so Zito just got a little more expensive for his suitors.

    Brad December 4, 2006, 11:09 pm
  • 3yr/34mil.
    For Padilla. ThInGs ArE cRaZy!

    Brad December 4, 2006, 11:11 pm
  • …zito apparently has no suitors…meanwhile:
    “Don’t rule out Foulke back in Boston
    From the Globe’s Gordon Edes: There are precious few resources available to close, which is why it isn’t out of the question the Sox could try to bring back Keith Foulke, even if he declines their offer of salary arbitration. My colleague, Nick Cafardo, ran into Foulke’s agent, Danny Horwitz, in the lobby of the Orlando hotel where the winter meetings are being held. Horwitz told Nick that he didn’t think Foulke would accept arbitration, but that he “would not rule out” Foulke coming back. He insists Foulke says he’s healthier than he was pre-2004, but what agent seeking a new deal for his client would declare otherwise?”
    <10 days to go in the dm chase...

    dc December 5, 2006, 12:12 am
  • “<10 days to go in the dm chase..."
    Not much of a chase, with only one runner...
    Oh, and there's absolutely no truth to any Bonds-to-Boston rumor. Period. We don't like him, he doesn't like us. That's the way it's gonna stay.

    desturbd1 December 5, 2006, 12:15 am
  • …d-1…you are a typical sox fan after all, too bad…good to see you are such an insider with the rumors…the sox would get bonds if it was cheap enough and suited their purpose…your out is that he hates boston more than you hate him…
    …as for the dm chase…there are actually 3 runners: boras, dm, and a distant third, you….your comment suggests what some folks have been suspicious of all along…by bidding so high, the sox blocked everyone else, thinking they could hold the process hostage….i still believe you may sign him once the heat gets turned up on you, but you’ve got a lot of ground to make up…from $8m [the initial offer] to 12m [the probable compromise]….over 5-6 years…that’s $120 big ones tied up in one guy….yow!…but, you will do it, even if it takes the whole 30 days…

    dc December 5, 2006, 1:05 am
  • your out is that he hates boston more than you hate him
    Actually, dc, if you think about it, that’s exactly why this rumor is moronic. Can you stop writing that Sox fans are “rationalizing” or saying we Sox fans are taking “outs”? Desturbed1, in his short time here, has shown him/herself (don’t know which!) to be, like the Gerb with the Yanks, an eloquent, rational, non-fanboyish Soxfan. To me you lump everyone together, unfairly.
    And what you term “rationalizing” or, in this case, an “out” is really just simple critical thought. “Rationalizing” would be explaining away one’s distaste for Bonds should he show up in a Boston uniform, not calling out the far-fetchedness of such a deal.

    SF December 5, 2006, 7:09 am
  • Even is the Bonds to Boston rumor has no substance, it has truth because its a rumor.
    If the Sox are going after Drew, why not stack the lineup by adding bonds? He makes the team much better, and personality does not matter, right.

    Seth December 5, 2006, 7:24 am
  • He makes the team much better, and personality does not matter, right.
    No. He can’t even walk, much less field a position with any ability whatsoever. The Sox currently have a full-time DH; where’s he going to play, first? I can’t see Bonds coming to Boston (he’s publicly said that it’s the most racist city in America) to be a pinch hitter or bench player. It just makes no sense, and if there was a rumor somewhere, I’d like to see the link.
    Also, when was the last time Theo and Co. gave big money to a player over 35 not named Curt Schilling?

    Brad December 5, 2006, 7:56 am
  • a quick google search got me this link. I think the rumor is now officially squashed here. Even if they (Sox) did want Bonds, I don’t think he could survive this stuff:
    http://www.counterpunch.org/zirin06232004.html

    Brad December 5, 2006, 7:59 am
  • Latest word on Jon Lester:
    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/05/lester_said_to_be_making_progress/
    “A source with direct knowledge of Jon Lester’s medical condition said yesterday that Lester’s latest CT scan was clean and his cancer seems to be in remission, so the 22-year-old lefthander expects to be in spring training with the Red Sox in 2007.”
    This is wonderful news on many levels.

    Scott SF December 5, 2006, 8:29 am
  • sf, i have to agree, d-1 does a good job, but he is a typical sox fan [and yes, that’s too bad…i meant that in a friendly, sort of, way]…i’m surprised that you considered it an insult…it’s good that d-1 has joined us…he makes his arguments with much less emotion than some of his colleagues…i’d like to see more vocal yf’s on this site to balance things out some [seems a bit sox-heavy to me], but i’m guessing that they just get worn out, and move on…look, i know not all sox fans are cut from the same cloth, so i don’t mean to generalize…i’ve explained this to you 100 times…call me lazy, but i don’t want to have to put the “not all red sox fans” disclaimer in every post…
    …sf, you blew you right to lecture me about anything by cherry-picking your responses, misrepresenting or directly misquoting me all too frequently, and by not addressing the name-calling and other personal attacks…if you want to debate on a higher level, but still have some fun with some [not so] sensitive topics [like bonds, or signing dm], without getting all sensitive on me, let’s do that, but spare me the lectures…you’re not on firm footing there…

    dc December 5, 2006, 9:00 am
  • dc, everything ok this morning?

    Brad December 5, 2006, 9:23 am
  • uh, yep….thanks for asking…i’m just getting tired of sf’s self-righteous bs…other than that, i’m ok…how about you?…

    dc December 5, 2006, 9:28 am
  • topic change led by rumors.
    Yanks potential new 1b, Hillenbrand.
    Not the 400 OBP type guy we all would love. But he would be a great improvement over Phillips. I hope they make a move for him that does not break the bank.

    Seth December 5, 2006, 9:31 am
  • dc:
    I am not interested in getting in a flame war with you, frankly. You shot a bullet at D1 (and SFs in general – the laziness you cite is no excuse), and I thought it unfair and said so. End of story.

    SF December 5, 2006, 9:52 am
  • Also, The Shea Hey Kid will rake against Boston as well. He always has.

    Brad December 5, 2006, 9:56 am
  • well sf, you should be so indignant when you believe a sox fan fires the bullet, or makes the joke, then you wouldn’t seem like such a hypocrite…

    dc December 5, 2006, 10:42 am

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