Bloom Off the Rose

It’s commonly presumed in the Big Apple that every player, regardless of color, creed, or gender, wants to join the fearsome Yankees at some point in their career.  It is  also typically believed by those "arrogantly detached" Yanks fans that if the Bombers get involved in a negotiation it’s just a matter of the Yanks deciding whether they want a player, and not the other way around.  Not anymore.  The last 5 years seem to have taken their toll on the reputation of the once-titans (as well as a number of middle relievers’ arms), and now it looks like Brian Cashman will have no trouble executing his strategy of rebuilding from within.  He has to. Nobody wants to play in the Bronx.  Except, perhaps, those players still represented by Scott Boras, and you can figure out why they target the team.  It’s not because of the winning.

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  • I also think Billy Wagner’s agent just called Omar Minaya back with some thoughts on the Mets’ 3/30 offer…

    SF November 25, 2005, 9:27 pm
  • What a ridiculous contract that is… Five years? If the Jays are going to spend $10M a year on a guy for five years you’d think they could do a bit better than that. Theres only one reliever in baseball who’s worth that and he’s already under contract (of course I’m speaking of the great Mike Timlin). Besides, don’t they already have a closer?

    mattymatty November 26, 2005, 10:10 am
  • I agree, mattymatty (except with that part about Timlin). At first glance, it seems like a crazy contract. Ryan is good, and a definite upgrade over Batista, but five years at more than 9M per? They’re said to be going after Burnett now with a 5 year contract offer as well. Hm. The Os offered Ryan 3/18M, and the Yanks were planning on something like 3/27M for Ryan to setup for Mo, so maybe the extra two years were what it took to get him to head to the GW North. Actually, if they score Burnett, their depth chart looks pretty damn solid. One more solid bat to protect Wells, and both YFs and SFs need to look out. Halladay/Burnett/Lilly/Chacin with solid middle relief and Ryan closing? Gee, that’s pretty good…
    Where in the world is Brian Cashman?

    Spidey November 26, 2005, 11:31 am
  • did you read the article you linked?
    //However, Ryan told them he was only interested in closing and the Yankees would never have offered him more than three years.//
    can’t believe i have to do this as a sox fan, but the problem here does not appear to be that ryan thinks the yankees suck. seems from the article you linked that he doesn’t want to change jobs, play second fiddle to Mo and take fewer years than he wanted. i for one can’t blame the guy.

    beth November 26, 2005, 1:41 pm
  • If the Blue Jays can get some better bats in the lineup they’ll definitely be a force to contend with in the AL East, no question. Still, thats easier said than done. Especially so considering there aren’t any big bats on the market other than Konerko who’s name I haven’t heard connecteed with Toronto in any way at all this whole offseason.
    Somewhat surprising that Delgado’s name wasn’t connected with Tornto… You’d think he’d have been the perfect fit up there (again), but I guess you can’t compete with Crazy Omar who is more than willing to give up the farm once he finds a guy he wants.

    mattymatty November 26, 2005, 3:26 pm
  • Aw, Beth, of course I read it. I understand why Ryan turned down the Yankees. It always ok to take a dig at the Yanks, right? And in this case, Ryan made it clear he had no interest in going to the Yankees early on; he pre-rejected them, even before Toronto threw the ridiculous money at him. And what about Scott Eyre? And Giles? I mean, I thought guys took less money to play for the dream team in the Bronx sometimes, and played out of position in order to move to the Big Apple. No more. It’s all a myth now.

    SF November 26, 2005, 5:03 pm
  • A silly Thanksgiving offering served up by sf. The reality is that certain players (David Wells for one) look forward to signing with the Yanks and taking on the challenge that is playing for the most storiesd franchise in baseball, and certain players avoid it. That’s how it has always been. Just like the majority of African-American players have had a special distaste for playing their home games at Fenway. There’s not even a myth to speak of. And is Giles out of the running for sure? Counting chickens before they hatch are you, sf?

    Nick November 26, 2005, 6:24 pm
  • re: the amazing neverending Jeter thread. So, if I started a blog called “Derek Jeter: He’s the Greatest!” I would attract traffic on the scale of the That thread has a Cal Ripken streak quality. May it continue forever!

    Nick November 26, 2005, 8:01 pm
  • Nick, the fallacy is the one propogated by many Yankees fans and the New York sports media on many occasions, the one that presumes that every player somehow yearns to wear pinstripes, that they’ll shift responsibilities/positions for a chance to play here, that the Bombers are the default club for those who ever get lucky enough to have the Yankees interested in them. As we can see, that’s simply untrue.
    re: Giles – yes, he’s still out there. I was presuming many reports that he doesn’t want to play in NY to be true; I could be wrong.

    SF November 26, 2005, 8:10 pm
  • Nick, I think the blog would have to be called “Who is Jeets Dating Now?” or “The Jeter Tick List” or maybe “Derek’s Bangin’ Blog.” That thread has left completely left orbit. Last few comments are solely concerned with the authenticity of Mariah Carey’s boobs. Plus there are more capitalized words and multiple exclamation points there than in any of the purely baseball-related threads. Apparently, people have SERIOUS CONVICTIONS re Mariah’s rack. SF, I think you had the right idea in spinning off just that thread into a checkout-line book or FOX sitcom or something.

    Spidey November 26, 2005, 9:54 pm
  • Nick and Spidey: re the derek & stacey thread, we, too, can’t get enough, and will be launching a new feature this week to commemorate the 200th comment in the thread. Stay tuned….

    YF November 26, 2005, 11:24 pm
  • my favorite line from this site ever:
    “About breasts…take it from someone whose had them since age 10; they don’t go away unless you have a mastecomy or reduction.”
    This thread deserves a book.

    Nick November 27, 2005, 3:02 am
  • I want to play in the Bronx.

    Manny November 27, 2005, 9:48 am
  • Re breast never going away: clearly the writer is not over 50.

    Mrs. Manny November 27, 2005, 9:48 am
  • The Yankees tried hard to trade Jorge Posada but there were no takers for a contract that likely will pay him $20 million though 2007. “Somebody in their organization doesn’t like Posada,” one NL exec surmised.
    The plan apparently was to excise Posada, then take a shot at Molina, who killed them in the Division Series.

    This nugget is from John Heyman’s Newsday column today. Maybe Cashman does have some powers of observation. At least somebody’s come around to the fact that Posada is a deteriorating, overpaid, load. Posada’s contract was another that was doled out while negotating against nobody. Dumb.

    SF November 27, 2005, 12:58 pm
  • It always ok to take a dig at the Yanks, right?
    In my humble opinion, the recent thread with you and Nick talking about free agents was the best thread here in months, because it didn’t get into one of the silly pissing contests.
    Why? Because no one started pissing on the other team.
    Of course Yankee and Red Sox fans will sometimes josh each other, but once you get into ridiculous stuff like the above, it’s always easy for Yankee fans to respond (because the Yankees are always better and have truth and justice on their side).
    Giles may not want to come to New York (or he may come). And Ryan may not want to come (or he may just want to close and know that the Yankees aren’t crazy enough to pay him that kind of money*). But we KNOW that Manny and Boomer want out of Boston, and that Petey left in huff. All the Yankees want to stay, because they know when they’ve got it good.
    So who looks better there?
    * or maybe those are just Canadian dollars

    john yf November 27, 2005, 9:54 pm
  • Looks like the Mets have struck a deal with Wagner for 4/43M. Plus a 5th year option. Yikes. Is Omar going after Manny now, too? Are the Mets gonna be The Team in town next year??

    Spidey November 28, 2005, 4:55 pm
  • Did I miss something here? Are the Yankees & Mets in some kind of whose-team-has-the-higher-average-age competition, and I just haven’t heard about it?
    My veteran leadership will beat your veteran leadership!
    Well, I dunno about playing hardball, but lemme tell you, the Mets & Yanks guys are gonna have themselves some seriously good oldtimers’ softball games next year.

    Sam November 28, 2005, 10:05 pm
  • I’m leaving. We’re all leaving.
    Can I work in the Bronx?

    Theo November 29, 2005, 1:40 pm

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