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Cheater Cheater!

John posted about the bad blood between Joe Girardi and Tim Bogar in the comments, but I thought we should split it out in a catch-all Sox/Yanks/MLB discussion thread as trying to get to the bottom of nearly 300 comments is a massive pain in the a**. 

Use this for your rainy-day baseball chat.

16 replies on “Cheater Cheater!”

So who, specifically, do they think was stealing signals? The article doesn’t specifically say who, and they asked Molina a leading question. Sounds like a lot of hubbub about nothing.

John – YF said…
I am upset that the team continues to lose to the Sox, but I am far from ready to call them “VASTLY superior.” They are a good team, playing better than the Yankees right now. It’s a long season, let’s see how it plays out.
2 bigger issues: 1, the first base coach of the Sox and Girardi had words last night in Re: to the coach tipping off location on pitches. 2, Posada could be out awhile. That’s not good.
Well John, I get that it’s early but at what point do our guys start playing? I’ve been hearing this excuse for several years now. We don’t have the horses…period. The Sox do. We can’t win games unless we score a bunch of runs. The Sox have VASTLY superior pitching and defense. Nothing is going to change that.
P.S. Posada on the 15 day DL…awesome.

Nevermind, I see who they were talking about. I totally missed that during the game, though I wish I had seen it.
I’ve always been fine with players stealing signals, but coaches? I think that’s low. The Rangers got in trouble a few years ago for supposedly stealing signals with a camera in the outfield, and then lighting up a certain light near the scoreboard whenever a fastball was coming.
I think you have to draw the line at the players. They can steal signals if they get on base, but having coaches do it is messed up.

hmmmm… don’t all ML teams have about 10 different sets of signs depending on who’s pitching and the current in-game situation? don’t all ML catchers go through a series of signals with men on base? was bogar leading off first to be able to see into molinas crotch? if they were using simple signs for an inexperienced hughes, should the sox not take advantage of that? is there anything girardi won’t pull to save his job?
i think jose said it best when he said, “I think it’s my responsibility to hide signs.” really, you think.

The Rangers got in trouble a few years ago for supposedly stealing signals with a camera in the outfield, and then lighting up a certain light near the scoreboard whenever a fastball was coming.
A-Rod was supposedly working the lightswitch for the opposing team, right?

Here’s another headache for the Yankee franchise:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/member_files/092/20081106/
“The House That You Built”: Brodsky Releases Report On Public Subsidies for New Yankee Stadium
“The House That You Built” reveals massive subsidies, inflated tax assessment, lack of job creation, questionable actions by NYCIDA, luxury suite acquisition, violation of IRS requirements, excessive ticket prices and other issues
Assemblyman Richard Brodsky (D-Greenburgh), Chairman of the Assembly Committee on Corporations, Commissions and Authorities, today released THE HOUSE THAT YOU BUILT: An Interim Report into Public Financial Assistance for the New Yankee Stadium. The 31-page document is based on a six-month investigation into the decision by the New York City Industrial Development Agency and others to provide hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for the construction of the new Stadium.
and:
http://blogs.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/14182/take-me-out-to-the-courtroom
Brodsky is a real pit bull, former prosecutor as I recall, and someone who is generally thought to have a lot of integrity compared to his peers in the Albany legislature.

As far as stealing signs, how exactly does a guy standing in foul territory see signals from that angle? The catcher’s knee would be in the way, no? And the first base coach would be out of luck with a lefty at the plate, so they’d have to have the third base coach in on the action as well. The accusation doesn’t make sense to me.

Stealing signs also means giving location which can be easily done from foul territory. Im sure that something was going on here, I doubt that Girardi would have said something unless he thought he saw something. All part of the game on both sides…

My feelings on Brodsky are a bit different. I cant speak to his integrity but he is certainly a fan of grandstanding which Im sure a certain degree of this report is. My issues with him stem from his opposition to congestion pricing in Manhattan where he was basically obstructionist without ever offering alternatives. We are facing a major fair hike on the subways now due to him, Shelly Silver, and their like….

Im sure that something was going on here, I doubt that Girardi would have said something unless he thought he saw something.
The key is your last sentence – if Girardi “thought he saw something”. But he may have seen absolutely nothing. Just because Girardi made an accusation doesn’t mean anything was going on. You happen to think that Girardi wouldn’t fly off the handle without due cause, and I personally think these guys fly off the handle for all sorts of manufactured reasons, some of which have no basis in reality. I have no clue what was going on.
I think the toughest and most questionable part was Girardi threatening Sox’ players. If we want to apply the “Pedro Martinez” standard to this situation that threat should make Yankee fans feel darned uncomfortable.

Can I vent for a minute on something completely unrelated to this thread: Posada’s injury.
To me, now two years in a row, this alone is a fireable offense from Cashman. After all those post-2002 years of having nothing on the bench (apart from Cairo and his ilk – now Molina – or worse – Berroa, Long), if the Yankees miss the post-season, again, it’s not Girardi’s fault. It’s the GM. Worse, there were plenty of options this off-season at both the utility (Loretta, DeRosa, Grudz) and backup catcher slots (Zaun, Laird, I-Rod), that it makes this class of non-decision that much more egregious. The only thing missing now is a likely Jeter injury.
Just awful, awful roster construction. There’s no excuse given their resources to spend next to nothing on a decent bench. And the one guy (Molina) they are paying, they are vastly overpaying for his special brand of suck.
That is all. Thanks.

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