Compare and Contrast: Yanks-Sox Gamer I

I wonder how followers of statistical analysis would respond to the following question: Who would you rather have in your rotation next year? Chien-Ming Wang or Josh Beckett? The skepticism toward Wang within stathead communities has been well documented here. Conversely, Beckett has been, for the most part, well regarded by believers of peripherals and other performance indices. Obviously, Wang has been the far better pitcher this year, but, if we’re to be believe the Neyers of this world, he’s a historical anomoly, unlikely to be able to maintain this level of success in the coming seasons. Meanwhile, defenders of Beckett point to his past numbers to explain away his sorry 2006. His home run allowed rate has spiked this season and that’s a stat not likely to be repeated. Someone with his k-rate and stuff has is too good not to be the ace of a staff. It’s an interesting comparison. As someone who watches the Wang magic show every 5th day, I’m going to go with the young Yankee going forward. But perhaps my eyes deceive. Anyway, today is a chance to watch these pitchers, symbols of the present and future for both franchises, square off. Comment away here.

85 comments… add one
  • Even considering the very good year Wang has had, I would take Beckett long term. Of course, I haven’t seen Wang pitch very much, but Beckett’s potential is still too enticing.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 12:26 pm
  • Red Sox lineup, per Boston Globe Blog:
    1. Alex Cora, SS
    2. Mark Loretta, 2B
    3. David Ortiz, DH
    4. Wily Mo Pena, LF
    5. Trot Nixon, RF
    6. Mike Lowell, 3B
    7. Eric Hinske, 1B
    8. Doug Mirabelli, C
    9. David Murphy, CF
    SP — Josh Beckett
    One word: Oy.

    SF September 16, 2006, 12:27 pm
  • for the Yanks:
    Johnny Damon CF
    Derek Jeter SS
    Bobby Abreu RF
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Jason Giambi 1B
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Hideki Matsui DH
    Melky Cabrera LF
    Sal Fasano C
    Chien-Ming Wang RHP

    Nick-YF September 16, 2006, 12:51 pm
  • Ugh, we get the worse half of the unholy Buck-McCarver union…
    What happened to Youk?
    Why does FOX immediately begin discussing $$$?
    Why am I asking so many questions?

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 1:27 pm
  • Argh, still with the Ortiz/Jeter “controversy”…enough already!

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 1:31 pm
  • Jeez, Tito, why don’t we just forfeit right now? The Sox have scored a total of *eight* runs in Beckett’s last four starts (hench why he’s 1-2 despite pitching quite well during that span). Somehow with that lineup, I’m thinking the run support will be lacking for him once again. [Groan] Course, that won’t matter if Josh gets torched.
    Though it IS nice to see David Murphy in the lineup instead of rotting on the bench. If Coco can’t play, I’d much rather see Murphy out there than Kapler.
    As for the question, torchings aside, I’d much rather have Josh Beckett long term, but there’s a very large bias in that sentiment, so take it for what it’s worth. :)

    mouse September 16, 2006, 1:34 pm
  • Just give Papi the four-fingered salute and take your chances with Pena…

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 1:35 pm
  • Start it off write, Papi, yeah.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 1:37 pm
  • “Right”, that is. 3-1 to Wily Mo, says Gameday.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 1:39 pm
  • Perhaps Nick’s introduction to the game was a bit ill-timed :) I have to say, Sox always give Wang trouble.

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 1:39 pm
  • D’oh!

    Devine September 16, 2006, 1:41 pm
  • Dern. Ah well. Onward and downward.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 1:42 pm
  • Wormkiller wriggles off the hook! (Albeit with about 200 pitches thrown…)

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 1:43 pm
  • I like the whole “12 pitches, 3 outs” thing, Josh.

    Anonymous September 16, 2006, 1:50 pm
  • So far so good for Mr. Gopherball

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 1:50 pm
  • Dang comments, that was me.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 1:51 pm
  • 1-2-3 inning for Josh. That’s encouraging…

    mouse September 16, 2006, 1:51 pm
  • Gone for awhile, see y’all when I see y’all.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 1:54 pm
  • Yeah, I’d love to stay and comment endlessly, but today’s my niece’s birthday, so I must be going. Tootles!

    mouse September 16, 2006, 1:59 pm
  • Blister on Wang’s finger?

    YF in DC September 16, 2006, 2:51 pm
  • Home plate giving Beckett no help on Giambi. 5 pitches thrown, at least 2 if not 3 strikes thrown, only one called.

    SF September 16, 2006, 2:52 pm
  • that guy really isn’t calling the low strike today. Seems to be why CMW isn’t inducing the grounders today.

    YF in DC September 16, 2006, 2:57 pm
  • Yah, Wang isn’t getting the low calls either.

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • OK, I have a question. Outside of that Game 7 of the ’03 WS, when has Beckett been truly outstanding?

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 3:03 pm
  • Why is Wily Mo batting cleanup?!

    SF September 16, 2006, 3:09 pm
  • I don’t think he’s ever been “outstanding”, but he has been well above average (2003, 2005 in particular), before he hit the age of 26.

    SF September 16, 2006, 3:11 pm
  • Would you rather Cora batted cleanup? Although I’d switch Pena and Ortiz.

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 3:14 pm
  • Aw, I don’t know. The lineup is thin, you are right YM. Maybe Nixon – the whole “two lefties in a row” thing doesn’t really bother me at this point in the season – put the best protection behind Ortiz. Pena isn’t it.

    SF September 16, 2006, 3:15 pm
  • Cue: Tim McCarver’s ballwasher.

    SF September 16, 2006, 3:16 pm
  • What’s the Yankees’ franchise record hitting streak?

    SF September 16, 2006, 3:17 pm
  • Yankees fans should not be applauding Jeter stealing third with 2 outs. First reason: injury possibility.
    I hate to say it, but that was Jeter running for a personal award, stat padding, not for the team.

    SF September 16, 2006, 3:20 pm
  • Oh I don’t know…For sure an injury risk, but I can also see why he did…Beckett hasn’t been sharp with his control, tying run at 3rd vs. 2nd is always better.
    Then again, it could just be stat-padding :)

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 3:23 pm
  • Considering the hitters behind Jeter, attempting to steal 3rd with 2 out is questionable strategy.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 3:28 pm
  • Eh, probably not stat-padding, but of marginal use, modest risk, and for personal gain mostly. Bad play by a smart player at this point in the season.

    SF September 16, 2006, 3:29 pm
  • Hinske keeping his legs fresh. It’s a long season.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 3:30 pm
  • Yeah, he’s gotta be fresh for the playoffs. Oh wait….
    (Sorry, couldn’t resist!)

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 3:39 pm
  • That’ll do, Josh. That’ll do.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 3:47 pm
  • He was decent, I’ll grant you that. Despite 5 BBs.

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 3:50 pm
  • Ooohhh, yankeemonkey’s all feisty today. All belittling the non-playoff-bound Sox and their pitcher. Can’t say they haven’t earned the belittlement, though.
    Four straight walks. That’s what I like. I’m just asking for a little dignity, a little heart.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 3:59 pm
  • Hinske looks to be embarrassing himself swinging at junk on Gameday.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:03 pm
  • And he does, completely. Wasted opportunity there.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:03 pm
  • Lowell and Hinske K with the bases loaded. Pathetic. This is just a terrible lineup.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:04 pm
  • The walks and then Lowell strikes out looking and then Hinske swings at garbage.

    Rob September 16, 2006, 4:04 pm
  • Typical results from them.

    Rob September 16, 2006, 4:05 pm
  • “Yeah, he’s gotta be fresh for the playoffs. Oh wait….
    (Sorry, couldn’t resist!)”
    That was kind of my point. I really don’t like Hinske.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:06 pm
  • This is going to be one really long off season.

    Rob September 16, 2006, 4:08 pm
  • Lopez vs. Abreu…I don’t really envision this ending well.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:15 pm
  • But it does. I’ll take it.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:17 pm
  • Areau and Damon have both been 0 for 8 today combined. Where was that stellar effort a month ago?

    Rob September 16, 2006, 4:19 pm
  • I still put odds on the Yanks winning this game. The Sox bullpen doesn’t really give me faith in a 2-run lead vs., you know, the Yankees.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:22 pm
  • My faith in anything with them right now is in question.

    Rob September 16, 2006, 4:23 pm
  • Sorry about the snarkiness. The game is kinda boring and I have nothing better to do :-)

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 4:23 pm
  • Great inning from Bruney there. Dang. Least we got teh big gunz next inning.
    Okay, okay…teh big gun.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:27 pm
  • You’re perfectly within your right to snark at them, YM. I mean, the SFs are snarking away.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:30 pm
  • It begins…runners 1st and 2nd Yanks, nobody out.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:34 pm
  • Foulke is giving the game away.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:35 pm
  • It was just a matter of time…

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:36 pm
  • Hey now, have some faith people!

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 4:38 pm
  • 2 outs…runners still 1st and 2nd. Hmmmm…

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:41 pm
  • Well-recovered, Foulke. Timlin probably for the 9th *shudder*.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:43 pm
  • See? You gotta believe! Once Timlin comes in in the 9th, however… ;-)

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 4:43 pm
  • foulke looks like the old foulke this inning. well played, sox fans.

    YF in DC September 16, 2006, 4:44 pm
  • All right…Papi. Pretty please?

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:46 pm
  • I don’t blame ’em.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:46 pm
  • You’d think Torre believes Ortiz is an MVP or something the way he keeps walking him.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:48 pm
  • God, that felt good. We haven’t had too many opportunities to snipe at you YFs lately. I know it’s pathetic, but what can we do?

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:50 pm
  • No….he’s walking him because the real MVP isn’t in the lineup for protection :)
    Snipe away!

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 4:51 pm
  • WMPy looks totally overmatched by…Octavio Dotel?

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:52 pm
  • YM, too true!

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:53 pm
  • I don’t care if the Yanks lose this game, but I don’t want Wang to take the loss…Doesn’t seem fair, somehow.

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 4:54 pm
  • C’mon Lowell. A little something to stave off the taste of fear (or is that vomit?) I’ll no doubt have in my mouth next inning when Timlin takes the mound.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 4:55 pm
  • 5-2! Thanks, Yankees. We couldn’t do it without you. Literally.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 4:58 pm
  • Ask and ye shall receive, Devine. Just end it already, this game is torture…

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 4:58 pm
  • 13 walks. Even though the Sox might (and I emphasize might) win this game, it has really not been a well played game.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 5:01 pm
  • Oi…I seriously hope Yanks don’t tie it here, I can’t bear it if this game gets even longer.

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 5:04 pm
  • Timmeh! (South Park voice off)

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 5:05 pm
  • I’ve a proposition for any lucky SFs who want to see the Sox face the Devil Rays in the final week of the season (weekdays, Tuesday, Wednesday, I think). Not great seats by any means, but Fenway is a nice place to be, no matter.
    One ticket for each game in the series–2 games (e-tickets printed on paper), no charge, I’ll send ’em to you in good faith. Just send an address and I’ll send you ticket locations to see if you stil want them.
    I am watching the last Yankees-Sox game in person tomorrow, but don’t want to trek to Boston on a bus 6 hours each way or so when I could relax at home. So, maybe a mildly fairweather fan, but y’know, I’m going tomorrow, so not that much.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 5:07 pm
  • One more.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 5:08 pm
  • Captain Clutch MVP Ks. Perhaps it was a mercy K, just to end this game. Then again, maybe he just whiffed.

    Tom sf September 16, 2006, 5:09 pm
  • Good.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 5:10 pm
  • And by that, I mean OVAH.

    Devine September 16, 2006, 5:10 pm
  • Thank God it’s over. Only a few weeks too late ;-)
    Tom, that was a mercy whiff. He wanted to grab some dinner between the games!

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 5:12 pm
  • Also, Kaptain Klutch is still up to something as Gerbil says, and that’s the important thing.

    yankeemonkey September 16, 2006, 5:14 pm
  • Nice. A Quality Start from Josh, some relatively stress-free work from the ‘pen, and a big ol’ W. Maybe not clean or easy, but I’ll take it over the alternative any day.
    Beckett’s now 15-10 in a career high 31 starts. Really not so bad, all things considered.

    mouse September 16, 2006, 5:22 pm
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