Cowards?

Let’s just get it out here in the open: if the Yankees are pressing for a forfeit by the Devil Rays because they were delayed by Hurricane Frances and could not make it to the city in time for today’s games, they put themselves in the lead for the prize of biggest athletic cowards in sports history. Anything’s better than throwing Loaiza, I guess.

(edit: well, it looks like one game is happening tonight, with the second game rescheduling TBD. Who wants to bet that the Yankees will do everything in their power, including personally bullying MLB (via Ownership-to-close-personal-friend-Bud-Selig phone calls), to try to get the game pushed to the end of the season, so that they can avoid stretching their bullpen or having to start someone like Halsey or Sturtze?)

(edit 2: it’s official, and it’s worse than my edit gave the Yankees credit for. Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig are turning over in their competitive graves. The big, bad, tough Yankees are begging the commissioner’s office to award them a forfeit. Nah, no fear of the Sox here. Appalling. Yankees fans ought to be embarrassed. Story here.)

20 comments… add one
  • It’s the Devil Rays who should be embarrassed.

    Clay September 6, 2004, 7:51 pm
  • Because they couldn’t get out of town due to a hurricane? Get real.

    SF September 6, 2004, 8:44 pm
  • They had plenty of time on Saturday.
    And you really think the Red Sox wouldn’t have asked for a forfeit in the same situation? Seriously? Only the evil, cowardly Yankees?

    Clay September 6, 2004, 8:51 pm
  • I don’t know who’s side to take here. I can understand the D-Rays wanting to be with their families during the storm. At the same time, part of their job is being on the road. So they probably should’ve left town in time to make their commitments. The forfeiture deal was probably something just thrown out there to make sure the Rays made it to the park, since it seemed like they were just lollygagging around all day.

    JeremyM September 6, 2004, 9:10 pm
  • Wow, talk about heartless. If anything else was needed to confirm my prejudices against Yankees fans being all about themselves, or that the organization is a remorseless and insensitive haven for creeps, this incident seals it. So, let’s say there’s some sort of impending calamity in New York, say, a massive hurricane hurtling right at the city, just two weeks after a previous storm caused multi-billion dollar damage and death. And say the Yankees players, thinking there’s a reasonable possibility that a scheduled road trip can be made after said storm passes through, and because that later travel seems like a pretty reasonable assumption, they decide they want to stay in New York with their loved ones during what is likely to be a very serious and dangerous event. Who of us would think that would be wrong, or that there should be negative implications due to such a choice? And who of us would say that, should the weather delay them further, and beyond their control, they should forfeit what would be an easily replayed game? (this is the key here: the game can be replayed EASILY). In that situation, I think we would all, us Sox fans included, cut those Yankees a tiny bit of slack, and at least think about how they could reschedule the hypothetically forfeited game. On Friday Frances was looked at as a potentially very deadly storm. Not a rainstorm, a MAJOR f**king hurricane. Right after another disaster had cut through the state. Think about it.
    This was a cowardly and unreasonable ploy by an organization which should know better.

    SF September 6, 2004, 9:41 pm
  • Wow. You don’t think .. I mean … wow. Ok. I’m not sure why I’m discussing this with you if you’re that certain the Red Sox organization is all sweetness and light and the Yankees management likes to kill kittens when it’s not clubbing seals or pulling the wings of butterflies.

    Clay September 6, 2004, 9:53 pm
  • Nobody said anything about the Red Sox organization, so don’t try to play that game. This is about a single incident: the Yankees trying to get a team to forfeit an easily rescheduled game due to their delay in travel by a deadly hurricane. Let’s not confuse the issue here. The Yankees, nobody else, asked for this forfeit. Do not try make this about another organization.

    SF September 6, 2004, 9:58 pm
  • Ok, then. In my previous post, please remove “the Red Sox organization is all sweetness and light and”.

    Clay September 6, 2004, 10:26 pm
  • Mentioned our little spat to my wife, and she said “Tell him I said ‘cowardly’ is wearing your mask in a fight.”
    Can I claim I was just following orders in posting this and prolonging the argument?

    Clay September 6, 2004, 11:01 pm
  • Can you imagine Steinbrenner’s reaction if the Yanks were trailing the Sox by 2 and the Sox were pushing the Rays for a forfeit? Stick that turtleneck in your mouth, George, and shut the hell up.

    MJL (SF) September 6, 2004, 11:12 pm
  • Hey, it’s one thing if you want to quibble with my use of the term “coward”, but it’s another thing to deny the merits of this case. MJL’s comment above seems to be a reasonable standard for judgment, without even considering the circumstances behind the plea (a deadly hurricane). So, what is it – are you upset that I am calling the Yankees cowards? Or are you honestly saying that it was a reasonable request to demand a forfeit for a team whose travel plans were derailed by a major, deadly storm when said forfeited game could be easily rescheduled? If it’s the former, then we have a minor, semantic disagreement about whether this was a cowardly move, and that’s a reasonable debate. If it’s the latter, well, then I don’t have anything left to say.

    SF September 6, 2004, 11:27 pm
  • Both, actually.
    I don’t think courage has anything to do with it.
    I do think it was a reasonable move by the Yankees to force the issue with a Tampa team that missed an easy opportunity to get here on Saturday and seemed to be in no particular hurry to get here today. I don’t think it would have been reasonable for MLB to have awarded the forfeit, but it was certainly reasonable to request it.

    Clay September 7, 2004, 12:02 am
  • Aren’t we blowing things just a wee bit out of proportion, here? Remember that a large number of Yankees, including their front office, actually live in Florida, many in Tampa, so the idea that this storm affected just one side here is not entirely correct. And SF can’t have it both ways: the Yankees can’t be cowards for wanting the forfeit and ALSO be angry that the DRays showed late. If they were cowards they wouldn’t have wanted to play the double-header in the first place.
    The decisions here may have been mercenary and they may have been handled insensitively, but let’s everyone get off our high horses.
    And while I’m quibbling with SF, his reply to my previous post criticising Mazilli was unfair, though I am definitely no fan of that ex-Met. Walking Sheff with Derek on third was a no-brainer, and then putting on A-Rod to create forces at every base (and skip his bat) was a by-the-book move, even if Julio was wild. And as much as I love Willie—he was my favorite player—the fact is he has not been hired for a series of managerial jobs (some filled by minorities) and to suggest that the O’s hired Maz over him because of skin color is to make a pretty serious allegation with no facts to back it up. Boo.

    YF September 7, 2004, 2:15 am
  • Having it both ways? How is it that? The Yankees knew full well that the Devil Rays weren’t going to make it for the two games, grandstanded by showing up, then tried to cop a forfeit. It was denied by MLB outright, and rightfully so. Now the Yankees apparently may refuse to play a doubleheader today, tomorrow, or Thursday, even if ordered to by MLB, according to the AP. So how does that bear out anything but what I am accusing them of?
    As for the Randolph/Maz issue, I am entitled to my opinion, that’s all it was. It’s the reason this site exists, remember? Though, to this point, Maz has done nothing at all to prove himself more qualified than a tree stump, so I suppose you may have a point. Not fair to compare him just to Willie.

    SF September 7, 2004, 3:49 am
  • clay, just try to think of what you would think of this if the red sox had taken the position the yankees are taking in this situation.
    if you come up with the same rationalizations, you’re either crazy or not being honest with yourself.
    this is your $194 million, pride and class of NY, grand dynasty of a baseball team? pushing for a forfeit from bottom-dwellers rather than just making up the game later and moving on? this is the new york yankees?
    i hate the yankees as much as the next red-blooded american, but even if i were a yankees fan, this would be a disgrace to their uniform, and the image they’ve built up of being a classy, professional franchise. you have to admit at least that much.
    don’t worry, though, if this causes some cognitive dissonance on your part. it’s tough when you’ve already drunk the blue kool-aid, i guess. if you need help, just have your wife come up with another comeback for you. :)

    beth September 7, 2004, 1:16 pm
  • Oh, SNAP!

    SF September 7, 2004, 2:19 pm
  • Like a mastodon trapped in a tar pit, I can’t seem to escape this thread. Can’t someone compare Steinbrenner with Hitler so we can invoke Godwin’s Law and stop the madness?
    beth: “clay, just try to think of what you would think of this if the red sox had taken the position the yankees are taking in this situation.”
    Frankly, I think we’d be having nearly the exact same argument, roles-reversed.
    Also, I’ve been enjoying the hell out of the blue kool-aid. How’s that red kool-aid been for you?

    Clay September 7, 2004, 2:50 pm
  • Put your skepticism to rest: if the situations were reversed there’s no way I would be backing a Sox request for a forfeit. It’s unseemly. Believe it or don’t, that’s up to you. I couldn’t possibly defend the action under the circumstances of this weekend.
    And, just for the record, Steinbrenner = Nixon/Bush/Cheney/Etc. Can’t give you Hitler.

    SF September 7, 2004, 3:14 pm
  • You’re both right. I don’t know what came over me. Good luck in the playoffs.

    Clay September 7, 2004, 3:26 pm
  • “Believe it or don’t, that’s up to you.”
    Gonna have to go with the not here.

    bwe September 7, 2004, 3:33 pm

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