Credible Hope, Incredible Doubt

David Ortiz calmed some of the hyperventilating in Boston (no thanks to Tony Massarotti’s overeager coverage) by saying he will know in two to three weeks whether he can play again this season, and that playing again is a likelihood.

Ortiz:

I think the doctors say 70 to 80 percent of the people that had this, normally when they get the cast, it normally goes back [to where it was], If the pain goes away and I still have the clicking, I probably can play through it and maybe fix it after the season. Otherwise, if I have the pain, I [might need surgery].

Theo Epstein also rejected reports that Ortiz’s injury was a tendon tear.

The tendon itself is unaffected; it’s completely intact. It’s not in jeopardy. What is partially torn is the sheath that holds the tendon in the groove.

Both said the injury is like — but not as severe as — similar injuries to Nomar Garciaparra and Curt Schilling. So all is not black. Still gray. But not black. We hope.

20 comments… add one
  • I feel like I’m the only guy in the world who isn’t as worried about this as everyone else is.
    It’s a big loss, but it’s not a season ending problem for the Red Sox. They’ll be fine. Maybe not Ortiz fine, but players will step up, and especially with Manny Ramirez hitting behind them.

    Brad June 4, 2008, 10:46 am
  • If J.D. Drew can stay hot, that wouldn’t hurt either. Good to see him getting into a groove.

    Paul SF June 4, 2008, 10:57 am
  • smoltz to miss the rest of the season.
    My guess is he’s done – shoulder surgery doesn’t bode well for guys that old.

    Brad June 4, 2008, 11:09 am
  • I’m skeptical of both of these quotes, sounds like they are say what we as fans want to hear, and what other GMs don’t want to hear.

    LocklandSF June 4, 2008, 11:29 am
  • As far as I recall, Theo doesn’t really have a history of outright lying to the press. I’d lose a lot of respect for him if he did. Ortiz also doesn’t strike me as a liar, but of course he’s just repeating what he’s been told.
    I think they’ve earned at least a measure of our trust, at least for now. Even the times when I’ve doubted they were giving us the full story (Beckett’s skin avulsion), it turned out they were right in their prognosis.

    Paul SF June 4, 2008, 12:27 pm
  • I don’t think they are really lying, just giving us the teddy bears and ice cream version of the story.

    LocklandSF June 4, 2008, 1:09 pm
  • Before the season, in a keeper league, I moved Papi for Smoltz…That worked out splendidly!
    Well I for one will say I am not rooting for anything long term. As much as I dislike both the Sox and Papi it’s not the way you want it played out.

    John - YF June 4, 2008, 1:45 pm
  • Funny, Paul, I finally had a chance to read Massarotti’s article and I find absolutely nothing to complain about. He says that Ortiz is sidelined indefinitey (true). He says that if it doesn’t heal under current treatment direction that there might be surgery required (also true) and that if this surgery happens it is likely to end Ortiz’ season (also true), he then reports that Francona says that surgery is unlikely based on current prognosis (who knows, is Tito an orthopedist?!). Seems like TM has covered things quite well, getting a team source on the record, a medical diagnosis and the possible outcomes of that medical condition and treatment options. Why are you so out of sorts about the article? I don’t see any problem with the reporting at all. As a journalist, can you fill me in on the holes?

    SF June 4, 2008, 2:58 pm
  • I may have pointed to the wrong link (the breaking news and print stories had the same lede). Mazz’s initial story was written midgame, with no sourced comment. It said: “Out indefinitely, season-ending surgery possible, Ortiz has been great, injury similar to Nomar.” No Francona comment (he spoke after the game), and certainly no explanation (likely because he didn’t know) that Nomar’s injury was magnitudes worse, as the Globe explains today.
    The effect when it first came out (as our game thread chronicles) was that Ortiz is done for the season, period. By yesterday morning, reading Francona’s comments, I felt like they were somewhat a repudiation of what Massarotti reported. “Out a month, surgery unlikely” is much different than “Out indefinitely, surgery possible.”

    Paul SF June 4, 2008, 4:27 pm
  • Went back and checked, and the Herald wrote through the breaking news story, so the initial version appears to be gone.

    Paul SF June 4, 2008, 4:27 pm
  • The Sox are so solid I really don’t think this is going to slow them down. SF’s can help me out since I don’t watch many of your games but seems to me the Sox win with pitching, defense and timely hitting? (all the things the Yankees lack of course) There are plently of guys on that team that can hit. Manny at DH means what, Ellsbury in right and Coco in center? Jeez…sick outfield.

    krueg June 4, 2008, 4:31 pm
  • krueg:
    Drew in right, Ells in left, Coco in center. Still, a sick defensive outfield, range-wise. Drew made a couple of super catches last night at key moments; he had a marvelous game yesterday.
    Nonetheless, they are a lesser team without Ortiz in the lineup, offensively, by a margin.

    SF June 4, 2008, 4:34 pm
  • SF: sure…but when you have an all-around team, like the Sox do, one guy isn’t going to make or break it I wouldn’t think. You’ll always miss a bat like Papi’s but I wouldn’t think it spells doom for the Sox. Not even close.

    krueg June 4, 2008, 4:36 pm
  • What gives me hope is the Sox’ performance when Ortiz was so bad in April he might have been more useful on the bench. They still won, and they still had good offense. The big problem is that another injury or big slump from a key guy could really kill the lineup. Youkilis, Lowell and Drew are all pretty slump-prone, moreso than Ortiz was (until April, of course)

    Paul SF June 4, 2008, 4:43 pm
  • but I wouldn’t think it spells doom for the Sox
    Agreed. But it’s not a good thing either!

    SF June 4, 2008, 4:44 pm
  • You chowderheads will be fine!!! Your pact with the devil hasn’t run out yet…just ask the Celtics, Bruins and Pats!!! :)

    krueg June 4, 2008, 4:53 pm
  • The Bruins are owned by the Devil. Odd that they haven’t won anything in a while.

    SF June 4, 2008, 4:54 pm
  • And the Pats are coached by the Devil! Their luck has already changed.

    A YF June 4, 2008, 5:00 pm
  • SF: the Bruins were solid this year! Usually the Sabres bury the B’s but they are getting better unfortunately. Making the playoffs was a big step for the team. Not to mention Bergeron was out all year thanks to the cheap-ass, garbage organ-I-zation that is the Crap-adelphia Cryers!!!! Of course, the Sabres will return to complete and total domination of the B’s next season… :)

    krueg June 4, 2008, 5:00 pm
  • p.s. Jeremy Jacobs is from Buffalo…

    krueg June 4, 2008, 5:00 pm

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