Curt Schilling: Fifth Starter?

The average game scores of your five starters for the Boston Red Sox this season (remember that 50 equals a quality start):

  1. Josh Beckett — 57.2
  2. Daisuke Matsuzaka — 54.6
  3. Tim Wakefield — 51.4
  4. Curt Schilling — 50.2
  5. Julian Tavarez — 46.7

Most consecutive quality starts:

  1. Josh Beckett — 5 (4/10-5/8)
  2. Daisuke Matsuzaka — 3 (three times)
  3. Tim Wakefield — 3 (4/6-18)
  4. Curt Schilling — 3 (4/26-5/6)
  5. Julian Tavarez — 2 (twice)

Most consecutive non-quality starts:

  1. Julian Tavarez — 4 (4/7-4/29)
  2. Daisuke Matsuzaka — 3 (4/22-5/3)
  3. Curt Schilling — 2 (6/13-18)
  4. Tim Wakefield — 2 (twice)
  5. Josh Beckett — 1 (three times)

Considering how well Tavarez has done of late (four of his last six starts above 50, all six above 40), and considering how poorly Schilling has done (five of his last eight starts below 40), you have to wonder who you’d rather have out there in a must-win situation.

25 comments… add one
  • I was looking on for this information and just found that the Yanks and the Sox’s Pythagorean record is tied in the loss column, with the Sox having 2 more wins.

    AndrewYF June 19, 2007, 11:19 am
  • As Yank fan I’ll take Tavarez over Schilling in the must-win situation for the Yanks;)
    I just did a quick cursory counting of Wang’s game scores. It looks like he has an average of 55.5 if I’m doing my math right.
    One of the remarkable things about the Sox pitching is that it has been essentially been injury free. If I were to do a comparable list for the Yanks it would involve looking up the numbers of something like 15 different starters.
    Not that I’m making excuses or anything for the Yanks position in the standings. I’m guessing the average fifth starter score has been something like 25 for the Yanks. And Mussina is probably in the low 40’s.

    Nick-YF June 19, 2007, 11:31 am
  • Thank God and GOD that the Pythagorean record doesn’t mean dick…

    jp-sf June 19, 2007, 11:31 am
  • Still no comment fro Schill on 38 pitches. His ego must be shot.

    Patti-YF June 19, 2007, 12:26 pm
  • Of course not Patti, he’s going to need a long time to write the 25 pages he will need to explain why he has SUCKED so bad.

    LocklandSF June 19, 2007, 1:16 pm
  • Given the fact that you generally can’t shut him up, isn’t unusual for him not to say anything?

    Patti-YF June 19, 2007, 2:06 pm
  • Can’t he just reprint his comments from the Colorado game?

    rootbeerfloat June 19, 2007, 2:12 pm
  • Not really, sometimes he takes a day or two to put up his thoughts (like after the would-be no-hitter).
    I don’t read his blog for the most part, but I did after that game.

    Devine June 19, 2007, 2:52 pm
  • I come back from getting married to this? Thanks Curt!
    How bout we focus on something more positive, like the Coco-for-MVP campaign.

    mattymatty June 19, 2007, 2:56 pm
  • “I come back from getting married to this?
    Ah, so it’s your fault…

    jp-sf June 19, 2007, 3:03 pm
  • ‘fraid so. I’ll have to catch the next flight back to Vancouver, BC to preserve the Sox season. Oh darn.

    mattymatty June 19, 2007, 3:05 pm
  • You should know better than to change anything about your life when the Sox are winning. No getting married, especially. :)

    jp-sf June 19, 2007, 3:17 pm
  • mattymatty, i’ve taken the liberty of ordering you a few mail-order brides. one for each of the next few weeks… i’ll send the catalog to you ASAP, so that you can select some for the rest of the season. it is the least i can do…
    (and congrats, by the way.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 19, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • WEEI is reporting that Curt Schilling is headed back to Boston for an MRI on his arm or shouder but they do not know the specifics.
    Looks like Lester is coming sooner than expected. They’ll probably get away with it this week if he’s out, but the start after that will be Lester I’m hoping. With the off day on Thursday, they’ll probably just rework the rotation if he’s out…
    Either way, this isn’t good news, but it’s not like there aren’t guys who can do just as well as he’s done this year.

    Regular_Brad. June 19, 2007, 4:29 pm
  • Theo could come out smelling like roses here for not giving that contract when Schilling wanted it….
    The Red Sox are calling it precautionary only, but they always call it that until they realize the ligaments aren’t attached anymore..

    Regular_Brad. June 19, 2007, 4:33 pm
  • Incidentally, if you take away Curt’s 89-score one-hitter (an extremely lucky game, considering that 25 batters put the ball in play against him), his average game score is 47.4. Granted, you can’t just go wily-nily taking away the best and worst from people like they don’t count, but that one game is basically what’s separated Schilling from Tavarez this season.

    Paul SF June 19, 2007, 4:38 pm
  • Ah. Well, that explains it. And it does make the non-extension look better. I wonder if Schilling hurt himself reaching back for the 93/94 fastballs during the one-hitter.

    Paul SF June 19, 2007, 4:47 pm
  • where is jon lester!??!

    mike June 19, 2007, 4:48 pm
  • that’s what I’m talking about, mike.

    Regular_Brad. June 19, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • One of the remarkable things about the Sox pitching is that it has been essentially been injury free.
    Not true. I won’t argue about the impact of this fact, but the fact isn’t entirely accurate. First, Jon Lester has missed the entire year. Second, Beckett has already had one stint on th DL.
    Now, Schilling may be hurt (that’s post-facto, obviously).
    I don’t think you can disregard the fact that Lester has missed 65 games, though.

    SF June 19, 2007, 7:08 pm
  • I guess I viewed Lester’s return as a luxury the Sox weren’t exactly counting on. I forgot about Beckett though. I stand corrected.

    Nick-YF June 19, 2007, 7:35 pm
  • Yes you can, SF, he was not a factor at the beginning of the year anyway. It’s like counting Carl Pavano as actual misfortune. You already knew you couldn’t actually count on him.
    But now the inevitable and unavoidable injuries are slowly rolling in. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Schilling on the DL, if just to rest his old, tired shoulder. They may not reach the severity where 2 relied-upon starters are on the DL for weeks at the same time, but it will happen. I don’t doubt the Yankees aren’t over their injury troubles for the season, either. You just have to have enough pitching depth to muddle through. Or Aaron Small.

    AndrewYF June 19, 2007, 7:44 pm
  • Yes you can, SF, he was not a factor at the beginning of the year anyway.
    There’s a little bit of semantics here. Yeah, you are right, Andrew – he wasn’t around at the beginning of the year (in this way, he’s even less of an “injury” than Pavano was, who actually pitched and was being counted on – yeah, that’s right, he was being counted on). I would just say that Lester’s absence (starting last year, of course) impacted the Sox’ staff. So I don’t mean to equate it with a guy hitting the DL after three weeks, or pulling a hammy, rather I am just pointing out the fact that the optimal rotation for the Sox wasn’t available. I don’t think Julian Tavarez was “plan A”.

    SF June 19, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Alright, but wasn’t Lester out of the Sox’s plans for the beginning of the season as soon as he was diagnosed with lymphoma? Obviously the Sox saw Lester as a staple in the rotation for 2007 before he went down, but he couldn’t have been “Plan A” either in the offseason. If I remember correctly, Plan A was actually Papelbon.

    AndrewYF June 19, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • That’s right, Andrew. My only point was that the Sox ’07 rotation has been affected by injury, just not the way Nick meant it in his original comment, that’s all.
    Other than Beckett, of course.

    SF June 19, 2007, 8:50 pm

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