Derek Jeter: Robbed!

Justin Morneau has been named the AL MVP. This YF, for one, is dumbfounded. I’m not sure how Morneau even beats out Joe Mauer, let alone Our Hero. This is one unsatisfying result. Booooooooooo!!!!!!!!

133 comments… add one
  • I would really rather Jeter be beaten by Ortiz (if you’re looking for numbers) or Mauer.. what costed Jeter the MVP was the 4th and 6th! What the hey? Jeter might not be 1st or 2nd, but how can you not put him in the top 3? Ah well..

    Lar November 21, 2006, 2:24 pm
  • This is the usual anti-Yankee vote. Some fool (probably from Boston) had Jeter down for sixth. A farce. Voters and their votes should be transparent. I hope this energizes Jeter to greater heights.

    Yanks in 07! November 21, 2006, 2:27 pm
  • it’s a salty piece of sweet, considering the GG that he won. What goes around comes around.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 2:29 pm
  • yes Brad, what goes around comes around. your shortstop, who only played in 2/3 of the games, clearly should have won the rafael palmeiro gold glove.

    YFinBeantown November 21, 2006, 2:36 pm
  • FOADBYNM

    Andrews November 21, 2006, 2:37 pm
  • WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. Our shortstop didn’t win MVP. WAAAAAAAAAAAH.
    (with apologies to Artie Lange)
    ;-)

    SF November 21, 2006, 2:40 pm
  • who said Gonzo, YF in Beantown? I clearly would have given it to Cabrerra or Young, but hey, I don’t vote.
    Why so defensive? I know it sucks to see your player not get an award he probably deserves, but that’s the deal sometimes. It’s not like every candidate didn’t have a valid argument for the award.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 2:40 pm
  • Brad: I’m not sure I get that attitude. If Ortiz beats Derek, I’m upset but can live with it, and good for Ortiz—he’s a great player and a fun player to watch. Jeter doesn’t control who votes on the GG. I don’t think you need to be a Yankee fan to appreciate what a joy it is to watch Jeter play every day. Justin Morneau was not as valuable as Jeter in 2006. This stinks.

    YF November 21, 2006, 2:41 pm
  • Besides, how often does an MVP get to play on a team that has as many all-star hitters as, well, an all star team?

    Brad November 21, 2006, 2:41 pm
  • WAH. And Pedro was robbed in 1999 because of stupid voting. It happens and will always happen. The actual most deserving will never win. Especially when sportswriters are using different criteria to vote. They shouldn’t be voting for this stuff anyways.

    crabby November 21, 2006, 2:42 pm
  • Question:
    Who is more valuable to the Twins, Johan Santan or Justin Morneau?
    There is only one correct answer to this question, and therefore this year’s AL MVP selection is a complete joke.

    SF November 21, 2006, 2:42 pm
  • Joe Mauer was robbed.

    mouse November 21, 2006, 2:43 pm
  • Morneau over Ortiz, Jeter, Santana, Mauer Hafner and Dye? Maybe the voters considered that he only made $385k last year and that’s where is value comes from.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 2:47 pm
  • Jeter doesn’t control who votes on the GG…
    Does he control who votes on the MVP? It’s your opinion that he was more deserving, and therein lies the problem. If you’re upset about it, then you know how it feels to everyone else not rooting for the Twinkie.
    Jeter plays in a filthy hitting lineup worth more than 200million dollars. The writers out West and the Central will never, ever give him credit because of it. It’s nearly as crazy as the DH argument, but those are the breaks. If you want Jeter to win, he’ll have to do what Morneau does IN Minnesota because NY’s money spent and returns garnished will always be what people think of first.
    I’ve never said he didn’t deserve it, because his argument was as good as anyone’s, but to deny what I’ve said as Red Sox bias is not seeing the truth.
    He’ll have to win a triple crown to win this award, same as Ortiz.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 2:48 pm
  • Such an odd choice indeed. As someone who roots against the Yankees, I can’t say I’m disappointed. As a fan of seeing a deserving candidate win, though, this is disappointing — and very surprising.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 2:48 pm
  • Jeters gets 1 6th place vote. Arod and Damon got one 5th place vote each.

    Seth November 21, 2006, 2:50 pm
  • It must have been Morneau’s “intangibles.”
    ;^)

    Hudson November 21, 2006, 2:50 pm
  • Nice, Hudson.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 2:51 pm
  • A-Rod did have better power stats than Jeter, and Damon was more key to holding together the injury-plagued lineup in the first half than Jeter, so it’s not like those votes are out of left field. Just surprising is all.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 2:52 pm
  • I feel bad for Jeets b/c he really did have a fantastic year, but jeez, give Morneau some props. I mean, the guy went .321BA/.375OBP/34HR/130RBI/97R. Hardly shabby. Mauer is more consistent at the plate and the better defender, certainly, but no power numbers. Morneau was the real center of that lineup. As for Santana, well, there’s the whole pitchers have their own award thing, so it’s not surprising that he wasn’t up there. But Johan himself said that Morneau was the man on the team, so there you go.

    Spidey November 21, 2006, 2:55 pm
  • I’m not all that disappointed in Jeter not winning. Would have been nice as a fan. Considering how close the voting was, Jeter still got plenty of propers from the writers. It’s just hard for me to see how Morneau got 15 first place votes over the other options.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 2:57 pm
  • What really kicks my cobbles is that a Canadian won it.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • Only for reference, in 1999 Pedro Martinez failed to win the MVP after he was left off two ballots. The voters who left him off their ballots claimed they didn’t believe pitchers should win MVPs. However, those writers had, in the past, voted for pitchers.
    It’s important to remember that these awards are subject to the inane whims of the entitled class of journalists known as baseball writers, who tend, more often than not, to be fickle, judgmental, and hypercritical, if only occasionally hypocritical. Nobody should be surprised by the vote today, but that doesn’t mean people can’t be frustrated. I think you are being a bit unfair, Brad. YFs have a right to be annoyed: Morneau wasn’t even the MVP of his own team.

    SF November 21, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • One of those two writers was a Newsday reporter — for those wishing to speculate about how the Boston-New York rivalry plays into these things. I’m curious as to which writers put Jeter as low as sixth, which is still far more defensible than leaving off Pedro for having perhaps the best pitching season of our lifetimes.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 3:06 pm
  • Morneau wasn’t even the MVP of his own team.
    Yeah, neither is Jeter. It’s Mariano every year, hands down.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:06 pm
  • Interesting re Morneau’s value to the Twinkies:
    After June 8, Morneau had the best batting average in the Majors (.362). In that stretch, Morneau also had the most hits in baseball (145) and the most RBIs in the AL (92). And it doesn’t take much to link the Twins’ turnaround to Morneau’s emergence, as the club was 25-33 through June 7 before going 71-33 the rest of the season, the best record in the Majors during that span.

    Spidey November 21, 2006, 3:09 pm
  • also, who said I was being unfair, SF. I said the guy was as good as everyone else on the ballot, and probably should have won. It’s not my bias that lost it for him. Am I upset? Nope. But like I said before, he’ll have to be the clear favorite to ever win it. He will have to be so far ahead of everyone else that the writer will feel stupid for not voting for him. That’s the way it is, and it’s that way for Ortiz too.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:10 pm
  • Huh? Jeter is totally the MVP of the Yanks. Though Mo is always in the discussion, Jeter should be clear, at least this year. But that’s probably because this is possibly Jeter’s best year, and isn’t quite a good Mo year..

    Lar November 21, 2006, 3:13 pm
  • Brad, I am not upset either. And I think you have made some valid points. But YFs do have a legit beef, that’s all.
    Hell, once I get over the fact I think the award was ill-given (which takes, uh, 1/2 a second) I am quite enjoying the fact that Yankees fans everywhere just stacked another chip on their shoulder. Hell, I am a Sox fan.

    SF November 21, 2006, 3:17 pm
  • That’s why I said a salty sweet. While it may be unfair to them, I’m thinking that this is the best day of the week so far.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:19 pm
  • After June 8, Morneau had the best batting average in the Majors (.362). In that stretch, Morneau also had the most hits in baseball (145) and the most RBIs in the AL (92). And it doesn’t take much to link the Twins’ turnaround to Morneau’s emergence, as the club was 25-33 through June 7 before going 71-33 the rest of the season, the best record in the Majors during that span.
    Correlation isn’t casuation, though of course it helps to have those numbers.. but I’m not a fan of cutting up time periods to make someone more favorable..
    Having said that, I just read the Daily News article, and apparently Jeter’s #1 in the AL in VORP, and pretty up there in the “clutch” stat – BA w/ RISP, and #1 in the AL in “Clutchiness”, another sabrmetric number..

    Lar November 21, 2006, 3:19 pm
  • I think there’s an obvious reason why Jeter didn’t win it: the BBWA HATE guys who have an official “scent”.
    Very simply: no perfume and Jeter’s the MVP.

    SF November 21, 2006, 3:21 pm
  • “Morneau wasn’t even the MVP of his own team.
    Yeah, neither is Jeter. It’s Mariano every year, hands down.”
    sigh . . . Joe Nathan’s ERA+ this year was 283 (Papelbon’s was 500, and I didn’t even know that was possible). And Nathan’s WHIP was .790. So let’s elimainate closers. Any one on the Yankees this year a better MVP candidate than Mauer? Santana? Or will you at least concede than Jeter was the SECOND BEST MVP candidate on his team, whereas Morneau was arguably the fourth on his?

    Amsterdam YF November 21, 2006, 3:23 pm
  • Has Dave Pinto lost his mind?
    “As well as the Yankees have done over the last eleven years, they’ve picked up very few awards.”
    Except the 2005 MVP, the 2001 Cy Young, the 1996 ROY, 1996 and 1997 MOY, five Rolaids Relief winners, five Gold Gloves and eight Silver Sluggers.
    But otherwise, yeah, not that many.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 3:25 pm
  • If there’s any irony here, from the YF-SF perspective, it’s that Papi came out and said a power guy should win the award (meaning he deserved it over Jeter), and now a power guy has won it over Jeter, BUT THE WRONG ONE. Seriously. Jeter was more valuable than Morneau this year. And so was Ortiz. (Not to mention Hafner, Dye….)
    On Pedro: pitchers have there award, and should not be eligible for MVP. But the rules are the rules. If voters don’t like the way the ballot is designed, they shouldn’t vote at all.

    YF November 21, 2006, 3:28 pm
  • Well, if you assume Dave Pinto is limiting it to the three major player awards (MVP, CY, ROY), they really haven’t won that many. In the World Series years they had plenty of guys with really good, but not great seasons, and they therefore didn’t factor into the awards. Where Pinto goes wrong is linking the lack of awards to anti-Yankee bias instead of the makeup of those teams, which is silly.

    Amsterdam YF November 21, 2006, 3:34 pm
  • Does anyone care about the Silver Sluggers? Or Gold Gloves (anymore)? Or even the Aaron award…
    The 1996 ROY and MOY are very deserving.. the only one you can really debate is the 2005 MVP..
    It just blows that in most of those years, you can easily say that the Yanks split the vote – Bernie, Tino, Jeter etc for the later years.. and then this year, they basically ignored Mauer and Santana for the most part.. grumble.

    Lar November 21, 2006, 3:37 pm
  • 283 and 500????
    What are those numbers?

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:39 pm
  • ERA+ is basically ERA with park-adjusted figures normalized where 100 is average, and 500 is err, damn good.

    Lar November 21, 2006, 3:40 pm
  • Any one on the Yankees this year a better MVP candidate than Mauer…
    Dude, really? He was filthy this year. I’m not shorting Jeter, but holy cow, this guy was pretty darn good this year. Without him, the Twins go nowhere (not that they did anyhow), but his numbers are in direct parallel to his teams performance for the last five months of the season, where he outperformed everyone.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:42 pm
  • the real victim here is freddy sanchez.

    sf rod November 21, 2006, 3:42 pm
  • Grumble. How does Jeter win the Aaron award but not the MVP? Grumble.

    Lar November 21, 2006, 3:42 pm
  • “they basically ignored Mauer and Santana for the most part”
    I’m not sure that’s fair. Mauer and Santana finished 6th and 7th, and under slightly different circumstances, the 1st place vote for Santana could have cost Morneau the award. I just don’t understand why he became the default candidate in the first place.

    Amsterdam YF November 21, 2006, 3:42 pm
  • Wow. When you’re at a 0.92 and the league-average ERA is 4.62, and you pitch in a hitter’s park, I guess that’s the ERA+ you get. Holy crap, has anyone with at least 65 IP gotten an ERA+ that high (or an ERA that low for that matter)? I’d doubt it.
    In 2000, Pedro threw up an amazing 285 ERA+ with a 1.73 ERA with a league average of 4.97.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 3:44 pm
  • ‘gotcha, Lar. Thanks.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:45 pm
  • Brad, I think he meant “Any one on the _Twins_ this year a better MVP candidate than Mauer”, and presumably rhetorically, since his argument wouldn’t make much sense otherwise..

    Lar November 21, 2006, 3:45 pm
  • I am telling you, nobody wants to vote for a guy who smells like black pepper, grapefruit, and sandalwood.

    SF November 21, 2006, 3:45 pm
  • that smell is just another intangible he has that no other player in the world has.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:47 pm
  • At least you guys are sane, unlike the NYYFans.com psychos that are convinced it’s all a conspiracy against the Yankees.

    LocklandSF November 21, 2006, 3:48 pm
  • Yanks win the division with or without Jeter. Twins don’t do it without Morneau. That’s the bottom line. Buthey, it’s all about the team, right Jetes!

    Manny's Mission November 21, 2006, 3:48 pm
  • Is there any good news coming for the Yanks at all? It’s been a rough few weeks..

    Lar November 21, 2006, 3:48 pm
  • Yeah, good thing Jeter wasn’t playing for individual awards. I’m sure he’s just as happy at winning the Gold Glove and Hank Aaron awards as he would have been with the MVP.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 3:49 pm
  • I think if the Yanks had Santana, they would’ve won 110 games. Okay, probably not that extreme, but you get the point..

    Lar November 21, 2006, 3:49 pm
  • Every time I see the Jeter add for his perfume, I think of Ron Burgandy. Makes me laugh every time.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:50 pm
  • Contains bits of real panther!

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 3:51 pm
  • Now that Jeter doesn’t have anything to play for (we all remember the dig at Papi), does he still not give a crap about this snub? Or do people think this has got to sting?
    I am of the mind that this PISSES him off, no matter what Jeter might say in public. And does anyone think that A-Rod just exhaled a little? I think the ego dynamic in the Yankees’ clubhouse has got to be just unbelievable.

    SF November 21, 2006, 3:53 pm
  • sort of stings the nostrils. It’s like gasoline…

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:55 pm
  • If he didn’t have that dumb perfume, he would have won.

    Manny's Mission November 21, 2006, 3:56 pm
  • I think the ego dynamic in the Yankees’ clubhouse has got to be just unbelievable.
    The ego thing is out of control in every clubhouse, on every team, on earth.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 3:56 pm
  • SF, I don’t know and don’t care to speculate on what this does to club house chemistry, but I’m with you, I don’t care what these players say in public, these things do matter to them and I imagine that matter in a BIG way.
    You don’t get to this level of professional competition without being TOALLY obsessed with individual accomplishment.

    LocklandSF November 21, 2006, 3:56 pm
  • when i read “derek jeter: robbed”, i thought something was stolen from him. glad to hear he still has all his personal possessions, tangible or not. “michael richards: missunderstood”.

    sf rod November 21, 2006, 4:02 pm
  • TOALLY?

    Manny's Mission November 21, 2006, 4:02 pm
  • http://i16.ebayimg.com/05/i/07/97/63/c8_1.JPG
    who knew? I kinda want one.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 4:02 pm
  • Is that the same anti-Yankee bias, do you think, that led to the writers voting for SEVEN different Yankees?

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 4:04 pm
  • That’s now my desktop at work, Brad.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 4:10 pm
  • I wasn’t paying much attention to Yankees fans’ reactions to these things during their late 90s heyday, so I’m wondering if there was similar outrage over not winning any MVPs during that stretch?
    The reaction over this has me wondering about how the Yankees fans’ mentality has changed over the past decade.

    airk November 21, 2006, 4:10 pm
  • yeah, Paul. It’s pretty sweet.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 4:12 pm
  • airk – not as far as I remember. Or at least, there was someone more deserving most years. For example, the year Tino hit 44 (or so) HR’s, I think Griffey hit 56, hard to argue with that one. Sheff finished second a couple of years back, but eh, didn’t surprised anyone..

    Lar November 21, 2006, 4:15 pm
  • airk, I’m telling you — Mystique and Aura have died. The mentality more closely resembles the mentality of pre-2004 Boston fans now. It’s eerie.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 4:17 pm
  • yeah, it’s kind of freaking me out.

    airk November 21, 2006, 4:18 pm
  • If anything, it was a surprise Sheffield finished that high . . .
    On the other stuff, I’ve never believed Jeter when he says he doesn’t care about individual awards, but I’m still glad that he says it.

    Amsterdam YF November 21, 2006, 4:18 pm
  • airk, I didn’t really feel that any Yankees deserved the MVP in the 1996-2000 run. I thought Jeter would have been a better selection than Ivan Rodriguez in 1999, but I also thought Pedro deserved the award that year. However, writers love Pudge.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 4:23 pm
  • “Mystique and Aura have died. The mentality more closely resembles the mentality of pre-2004 Boston fans now. It’s eerie.”
    This is total bullshit, chief. You’ll need to wait until about 2090 to level this charge (and hope we don’t win a WS in the interum)
    “Damon was more key to holding together the injury-plagued lineup in the first half than Jeter”
    Care to back this up with anything other than wishful thinking? Maybe a stat or two?

    Andrews November 21, 2006, 4:25 pm
  • That’s interim, not inteRUM. Thinking about 5:00 :)

    Andrews November 21, 2006, 4:26 pm
  • Pete Abraham posted that the guy who voted Jeter 6th was Joe Cowley, the White Sox beat writer of the Chicago Sun-Times

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 4:29 pm
  • Good. It should be made public who voted where. On a side note, way to go Joe!!

    Brad November 21, 2006, 4:30 pm
  • I’m shocked Morneu win the Mvp over Jeter
    Shut you mouth Yankees Haters. and bashers. Jeter’s deserved The Mvp this year. He’s the Mvp. Jeter’s has been consistent all season long with Injuries The Yankees have all season long with Matsui and Sheff. Arod’s continue to struggles at the plate and not able to hit in the clutch. Robinson Cano was out two months with Hamstring Injuries . Abreu was july 31 trade deadline acquisition.
    Morneau who should win, and he”s not even the Mvp of His team..Voters and writers hateThe Yankees especially Jeter, He deserved to win the Mvp.East Coast Bias, especially The Yankees.. , They spend too much money and all stars in every position.
    Jeter’s was supposed to win mvp this year because Yankees have more injuries in their lineup than twins does. I guess voters did not vote for Jeter, because they think jeter have more supporting cast and more hitters than Morneau Arod was inconsistent and unable to hit clutch situations all year long. Giambi was hurt with wrist.

    Amir November 21, 2006, 4:30 pm
  • for all of the finger pointing, i recall witnessing a bit of disappointment when ortiz didn’t win last year. it was all i heard around town. in the papers, on tv, on the T…
    as for not winning any MVPs during the dynasty years, i always thought that those were more of a team effort (although a case for jeter was relatively easy to make in ’99). this year, watching the majority of the games, it sure seemed like jeter was the guy who was holding that team together when things started to fall apart. moreso than mo. (as much as i worship mr. rivera.) if you take pitchers out of it, mo and santana are gone. the mauer still played a HUGE part in the twins’ success. he was calling the games, playing great defense by all accounts i have read, and hitting like no catcher since ernie “the schnozz” lombardi. if you can make that much of a case for a second guy on the same team, i feel it hurts your case.
    …and the cologne “jokes” ring a bit hollow. that’d be like saying that papi didn’t win last year because he was hawking boner pills in the dominican.

    Yankee Fan In Boston November 21, 2006, 4:37 pm
  • I’ma ctually surprised we haven’t heard more jokes like that, YFiB.
    I don’t begrudge Yankee fans being upset by this decision. I was upset by Ortiz losing last year. Actually, I’m not sure what finger-pointing you’re referring to.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 4:45 pm
  • And Amir is here, thus signaling the end of this comment thread.
    RIP

    LocklandSF November 21, 2006, 4:46 pm
  • Jim Cowley is racist and hates black people and mixed especially Jeter.
    If you disagree here is his email
    jcowley@suntimes.com
    They should revoke his voting rights and send him dead threats. I’m planning to sue this guy for hating on black guy.

    Anima November 21, 2006, 4:46 pm
  • hawking boner pills in the dominican…
    Really? This happened? If so, it’s ten times funnier than the perfume thing. The jokes about the stuff are funny, YFinBeantown. If a guy puts himself in an Avon magazine and doesn’t expect other guys to poke fun at him I don’t know what to tell you. Don’t be upset because we’re laughing at a grown man’s line of cologne. It’s funny, and being Jeter just makes it funnier. You know, like Papi’s boner pills.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 4:46 pm
  • Papi also has his own bottled water now and if you go to Subway, he gives you a cookie.

    LocklandSF November 21, 2006, 4:47 pm
  • 2005
    David Ortiz Stats – .300 47 homeruns 148 rbi
    Arod stats – .321 48 homeruns 130 rbi – Yet plays third base unlike Ortiz who sits dugout with his fat belly.

    Amir November 21, 2006, 4:47 pm
  • Yeah, but Ortiz’ boner pills work.
    (YF told me so!)

    SF November 21, 2006, 4:47 pm
  • racist and hates black people?
    And you know this because he didn’t vote for Jeter? Do you know him? Is this commom knowledge to others not me, because a quick google search doesn’t turn up anything. Is he a member of some racist organization out to keep Jeter from winning the MVP? I wonder who else he voted for since he only votes for white people?
    That’s a huge accusation there, guy.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 4:49 pm
  • in lieu of “fingerpointing,” i’ll quote this line from above:
    “WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. Our shortstop didn’t win MVP. WAAAAAAAAAAAH.”
    i was referring to posts of that nature, attempting to portray this disappointment as whining, when last year all i heard were complaints about the DH bias.

    Yankee Fan In Boston November 21, 2006, 4:49 pm
  • Did Jim Cowley Picks Jeter sixth in ballot and Morneau first? What that’s tell you? He’s racist sob. He rather picks a white guys Morneau than black guy.

    Amir November 21, 2006, 4:51 pm
  • Does anyone have the link to Papi’s Dominican Brand Viagra ad? It’s really funny and I can’t find it.
    It’s full of classic baseball/great sex innuendo metaphors that had me rolling on the ground when I saw it.

    LocklandSF November 21, 2006, 4:52 pm
  • obviously the cologne ads are ridiculous. i just meant that in this context they seemed out of place.
    also, if you go to youtube and put ortiz’s name and elevex (seriously) you should be able to check out an ad.

    Yankee Fan In Boston November 21, 2006, 4:52 pm
  • Oh man this day is good.
    Amir, go back to the fingerpainting.
    YFinBeantown: Your argument is valid, but we’re not talking about last year, are we? This is this year, and the results are so much more fun for us. Bringing up the past with Ortiz just makes all of us enjoy this more. We are, after all, Sox fans.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 4:52 pm
  • Dude, Jeter’s not black, but whatever. Who cares what you think, you’re an idiot.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 4:54 pm
  • I’m going to chalk this up as another case where I’m right and I happen to disagree with a lot of people who are wrong. Oh well. Jeter was my pick for MVP this year as he was my pick in 1999. But the most overrated player in baseball gets snubbed again.

    Nick-YF November 21, 2006, 4:54 pm
  • i apologize, brad.
    the last thing i want to do is bring sox fans joy.

    Yankee Fan In Boston November 21, 2006, 4:54 pm
  • Besides which the post you cite, by SF, concludes with a wink, which makes at least me believe that he wasn’t serious.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 4:56 pm
  • Ok, Please put you skirt and and makeup on first Brad. Don’t forget to put some panties underneath your skirt.
    Brad is so much in love and having love affair with Writer Jim Cowley.

    Amir November 21, 2006, 4:56 pm
  • hahahahahahaahahahaahah.
    Now that’s funny. I now officially love making fun of Ortiz and his boner medicine. That’s a total sell-out on his part.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 4:57 pm
  • Jeter’s mom = white and father = black = mixec
    get it??

    Amir November 21, 2006, 4:59 pm
  • That is a pretty funny commercial. I like the wink and cluck at the end.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 5:01 pm
  • YFiB- the “whaaaaaaa….” thing is from artie on the howard stern show. he’s a big yankee fan and is alway’s whinning. i don’t think it was direrected at YF’s.

    sf rod November 21, 2006, 5:01 pm
  • how do I end up talking to these guys?
    I’m out Amir, you win. Anyone not in love with Jeter is a racist pig and should be put to death by fire.

    Brad November 21, 2006, 5:01 pm
  • If you See Big and Fat Gorilla ” aka Ortiz”
    having some viagra pills , run away. He’s nymphomanic.

    Janet November 21, 2006, 5:02 pm
  • Darn, the YouTube one doesn’t have the translated subtitles.

    LocklandSF November 21, 2006, 5:03 pm
  • Translation clipped fro Deadspin:

    “There are some at-bats where one can’t afford to fail, the same is true during the intimate moments. Take Elevex. Take it from me, David Ortiz (big wink) ‘Big Papi.’
    Announcer: Elevex. 36 hours of pure masculine sexual potency.”

    Har.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 5:10 pm
  • …i have a couple of reactions:
    “who care’s about individual awards…we wanted to win the ws”
    “these are bogus awards, a sham, awards are just beauty contests”
    “uh, what is the criteria again?”

    dc November 21, 2006, 5:56 pm
  • I’m blown away. I would have been a whole lot less surprised if either Ortiz or Mauer had won. Too bad. I would have been less bewildered if Bull Durham had won.
    I think, if anything, this shows that there is a “cost” to being on the most expensive team in the sport…and that is–the 2006 MLB MVP.

    walein November 21, 2006, 6:06 pm
  • I don’t understand this at all, walein. Where was that cost in 2005?

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 6:16 pm
  • I think there wasn’t enough promoting of Mauer as an MVP. He would’ve played Nader in this MVP.. but he didn’t take enough votes away from Moreanu..
    Who knows, maybe the disappointment will lead to an insane 2007 year. At least I hope it.

    Lar November 21, 2006, 6:25 pm
  • Well…Paul…
    I think that it was a no-brainer to give it to Arod…over Ortiz. We’ve argued that…and if you can’t “expand” your mind to why A Rod deserved it over Oritz well…maybe a magic dragon should have won it this year. A Magic dragon who could make our flu-colds go away!
    The only reason I even have room in my mind for Ortiz winning the MVP is because Morneau got it this year.
    I also think that Pujols should have won over Howard (just to give you snifflers a context).

    walein November 21, 2006, 6:33 pm
  • YFiB:
    Come on, I put a wink symbol and gave apologies to Artie Lange. What more can one do?

    SF November 21, 2006, 6:33 pm
  • For those of you who have ESPN Insider access, Keith Law sums it up best: http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryDate=20061121&name=law_keith
    To wit: the people who awarded the AL MVP had Frank Thomas fourth. This in a league where Hafner is also a DH, and ahead of Jermaine Dye. Nuff said.

    Sam November 21, 2006, 6:45 pm
  • walein, Funny, I thought Derek Jeter was a slam dunk for the award this year — more from my apparent inaccurate belief of how voters would vote than anything else.
    We have indeed argued all this about the 2005 award, and I can see why people picked A-Rod. Nevertheless, that race wasn’t a slam dunk, and it’s my belief if the Red Sox had won first place in the tiebreaker, the results would have been different. So the question returns: If there was such a high cost for playing on the Yankees, how did A-Rod beat Ortiz in such a close vote, one that everyone thought would be close ahead of time?

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 6:49 pm
  • A Rod beat out Ortiz because it was a no brainer… Ortiz doesn’t actually DO ANYTHING but hit baseballs. That’s it. That’s his thing. That’s all he does (in terms of actually “playing” baseball–not including his good attitude and over-all persona)
    Alex Rodriguez actually played very well at third base, hit better than Ortiz, and did I mention, he played in the field every single time David Ortiz sang from the bench?

    walein November 21, 2006, 6:58 pm
  • Using that metric, walein, you must agree then that Morneau, Dye, Mauer and a host of others deserved the MVP more than Jeter because the totality of their offensive numbers — particularly their power stats — are better than his and they field better than him?
    In which case, there is still no cost for playing on the Yankees. Jeter just didn’t deserve the award.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 7:10 pm
  • Well, Jeter led the AL in Value Over Replacement Player and Win Shares. He also had the most plate appearance of any of the contenders and played the second-hardest fielding position (where he admittedly suffers by comparison with Mauer). How all that means that he deserve the award is beyond me.

    Sam November 21, 2006, 7:14 pm
  • Jeter just didn’t deserve the award.
    Yes, Paul, he did. The problem is that there were two or three guys that at least reached the level of “deserved it”, and at that point the voting is something of a crapshoot. But let’s not let our Sox biases get in the way of the fact that had Jeter won, he would have been totally deserving.

    SF November 21, 2006, 7:16 pm
  • Walein, though I do think ARod deserved the award over Papi last year, it’s my opinion that it was a far closer call than the lame-brained selection of Morneau over, well, Ortiz/Dye/Santana/Mauer/Jeter/Dye could have won it and I wouldn’t be miffed. Between Jeter’s gg and Morneau’s MVP this year, I am now completely divested from any interest in post-season accolades from this point forward. Meh.
    I think I will start a whole new selection of awards next pre-season to be debated through the year.
    MVM: Most Valuable Mullet (by code, no yanks have a chance here)
    MHTW: Mostest Hotty Trophy Wife (Pop the question to Biel, DJ!)
    MSCTS: Most Suckiest Compared To Salary (Sori, don’t make gerbil look stoopid)
    BSI: Best Stupid Injury (Pavano maybe a HOF’er already)
    BDOG: Best Delay Of Game (DJ could win this one with that hand thing he does in the box)
    BT: Best Tantrum (Piniella an early favorite)
    BWAC: Biggest Wad Of Chaw (Wish we hadn’t traded Wright now)
    I might be on to something here. Maybe I’ll top-this and any other suggestions April First. Then again, maybe not. When to pitchers and catchers report?

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 7:24 pm
  • How did Dye end up there twice? Why can’t I spell “do?” Preview is your friend, gerb.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 7:25 pm
  • I’m not saying that, SF. I’m not an idiot, and at no time have I ever said Jeter outright does not deserve this award — at least not once the Sox and Ortiz fell out of the running.
    I’m using walein’s reasoning that because Rodriguez’s offensive numbers were better, at least superficially, he hands-down deserved the award in 2005 — which is not a view I’ve heard expressed in many places, YF or SF — then the same standards must apply in 2006.
    If instead, you look at clutch stats, VORP, Win Shares, etc., then you can reasonably consider Jeter for the award this year, just like you could reasonably consider Ortiz for the award last year.
    In either case, there is no “cost” for being on the Yankees because either A-Rod won and deserved it hands down while Jeter did not deserve it, or A-Rod won a close race when there was a legitimate alternative. That’s all I’m saying.

    Paul SF November 21, 2006, 7:29 pm
  • You make fair points, Paul, but the big difference with Papi last year and Jeter his year was that at least A-Rod voters could look and say, well, Ortiz doesn’t play in the field so that counts against him. How does the guy who voted Jeter 6th explain his decision?

    Sam November 21, 2006, 7:32 pm
  • I agree with Paul on this one. I don’t think there is an excessive anti-Yankee trait that penalized Jeter. I just think it was curious serendipity of many writers trying to make an aesthetic pick over a pick that would bear out in statistics. It’s kind of like all the writers went to the market and decided to buy free-range organic turkeys for Thanksgiving instead of Butterballs ’cause it’s the pc thing to do, even though they really didn’t research their turkeys they bought vs. what else was in the cooler.
    Okay, that was a reach.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 7:36 pm
  • Sam: Joe Cowley (the ChiSox beat writer from the Sun Times who voted Jeter 6th) said “the Yankees would have done just as well without Jeter in the lineup, that Ortiz kept the Red Sox in contention and that Ortiz had better numbers in the clutch than Jeter did” even though Jeter had better numbers than Ortiz with RISP.
    Hogwash.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 7:43 pm
  • I don’t think there’s an excessive anti-Yankee trait, but in a close race like this, all you need is one voter..

    Lar November 21, 2006, 7:45 pm
  • …i’d love to jump on the “jeter wuz robbed” bus, and start railing at the jeter-haters of the world, but frankly i’m not so sure he was robbed…it’s been pointed out several times that there were other deserving candidates, just like there are almost every year…i happened to like ortiz for the honor, but again, it depends on how “value” is defined….
    …i found this in the NY daily news earlier today in an article
    BY ANTHONY McCARRON
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
    “One voter from the Baseball Writers Association of America, which votes for the award, said Jeter’s .381 average with RISP was a “critical” statistic in determining his first-place ballot for the Yankee shortstop. Jeter was second in the majors in the category, behind Texas’ Michael Young, who hit .412. Ortiz, often cited as the game’s best clutch hitter, was at .288 in RISP, 43rd overall.
    Still, Morneau figures to get serious consideration – a nonscientific, partial poll of 12 voters published by the Minneapolis Star-Tribune gave six first-place votes to him. But the first baseman, who hit .321 with 34 homers and 130 RBI, might get hurt as Mauer and Santana could steal votes from those inclined to vote for a Minnesota candidate. Jeter doesn’t figure to be listed lower than third on most ballots.”
    morneau had .323 RISP
    mauer had .360 RISP
    …we’ll probably never know where that “one voter” put michael young, but by his definition of value, young wuz robbed…

    dc November 21, 2006, 7:59 pm
  • Anybody that would vote Jeter 6th is a cruelly insufferable dreck and a debased, congenitally clueless blight upon society.
    And btw, I don’t suppose this is the same Joe Cowley that used to pitch for the Yanks back in the mid 80’s is it?

    whatever November 21, 2006, 8:47 pm
  • whatever: no, it isn’t the same guy.

    attackgerbil November 21, 2006, 9:16 pm
  • Ah, thanks gerb. I thought if it was he might have an old grudge against George or something. Heh.

    whatever November 21, 2006, 9:26 pm
  • Mike and the Mad Dog have an interview with Joe Cowley on the WFAN homepage that’s worth listening to. They grill him pretty good on exactly what the hell he was thinking.

    whatever November 21, 2006, 9:29 pm
  • Besides, how often does an MVP get to play on a team that has as many all-star hitters as, well, an all star team?
    Sounds like a plug for Captain Jeter — on a team of All Stars that won the division with the best record in the league he’s the acknowledged MVP. While the guy who won it has two others on his team many think were more deserving.
    YF and SF favorite Murray Chass had an interesting stat about this: in 2006, Papi hit around his average with men on base. Around .288, I think. While Derek hit around .380. And had a .417 oba.
    Brad, What about our bet? We know Wang won that part, but what were the handicaps you gave me for Giambi?

    john November 22, 2006, 8:08 am
  • whatever – thanks for the heads up.. the WFAN really torn him one..

    Lar November 22, 2006, 8:56 am
  • I would have been fine with it if Mauer had won. Santana too. But this is a crock. On MY (theoretical) ballot, Morneau places about 10th. And I could make an argument for 12th.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) November 22, 2006, 9:03 am
  • Keith Law at ESPN really did say it well. Idiocy… not just Morneau, either. Frank Thomas placed 4th! Carlos Guillen got no love at all. Look at the ballots (I think newsday has them up). It’s nonsensical.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) November 22, 2006, 9:09 am
  • …i scoffed at sf’s when they devalued the gold gloves and aaron award as simple jeter-hatin’, but they did have a valid point…some of the voters don’t get it, and in the absence of some clear voting criteria, and a process to qualify the voters to exclude morons, we’ll have the occasional debatable finish…i guess this busts the myth that the ny media machine would carry jeter to victory…

    dc November 22, 2006, 9:56 am

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