Diamonds are for like Two Weeks or Something

"We've made him an offer. It's not going to be there forever," Hal Steinbrenner said Thursday after he was approved as the team's new controlling owner during a meeting at Major League Baseball headquarters.

When a little Steinbrenner says an offer won't last forever, he means it.  No bluffing.  Ever.  

We're pretty sure we know what CC Sabathia is listening to on his iPod right now.

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  • Hey, if 140MM isn’t enough to get a decision, Hal absolutely should put a time restraint on it. Using NY as a life raft, while you continue to listen to other teams give you reason to NOT come to NY is not in the best interest of the Yankees. They have to be ready to move to the second and third options, and it’s not fair of him to hold them hostage – if that’s what is indeed happening.
    Personally, I think CC is looking for any reason he can find to stay out there, and so far, they’re aren’t any.

    Brad November 21, 2008, 2:47 pm
  • sf, i’ve been quiet lately…for a number of reasons, but i’m gonna call you on this one…we’ve been over the hank/arod face-off before, and i’ve repeatedly corrected you sox fans about it…you’re wrong about the yanks stance, the $, and everything else about arod’s resigning, so get over it already…he’s not a sox, and he never will be…boo hoo…you still won [twice, somehow] without him, even though you coveted him…in hindsight, it’s probably the best decision/trade that theo ever f-d up, frankly…if nobody else is bidding on cc but the yanks, they should lower their offer by a few mil each day it stays on the table…

    dc November 21, 2008, 6:56 pm
  • um, brad is reading this correctly…if cc doesn’t want to come to ny, and each day that passes makes that more obvious, then f-him…yanks, move on…my new take on cc is that he doesn’t care about a chance to win, wants the easy path in the nl, wants to hit [sheesh], or whatever the excuse is, and so be it…it’s his life, his career…i don’t really want him now…if the yanks wind up signing him, i’ll have to root for him, but i’ll question his commitment…

    dc November 21, 2008, 7:20 pm
  • This just seems unreasonably tendentious. The circumstances of the A-Rod re-signing were pretty unique, so the suggestion that the Yanks are crying wolf here lacks credit. There are a lot of options out there, and if the Yanks feel their no 1 choice isn’t going to come to reasonable terms, they may well move on before the lesser options come off the table.
    This is only business. I don’t quite understand the “if he hasn’t signed yet i don’t want him” argument. It’s a negotiation. There’s a lot of money floating around. Leave the emotion out of it.

    YF November 21, 2008, 10:36 pm
  • The fact that CC hasnt signed yet really doesnt say anything about if he wants to play in NY or not. This is the only time in the peak of his career that he will be signing a contract and it is prudent for him to wait the market out a bit. I think the reporting otherwise is just plain wrong. There is no reason for him not to wait to see if other teams decide to make an offer and also to see what other SPs get offered. He knows the yankees are gonna remain interested. That said there is no harm in Hal saying there is a deadline to the offer. Of course he wants to push CC to make a decision and this is basically the only way he can do so. I realize this is a slow time for baseball news but parsing the non-actions of a player and agent like this is a worthless exercise. We will know what he wants to do when he signs a contract, not before.

    Sam-YF November 21, 2008, 11:15 pm
  • AS big a fan as I am of the Yankees and of CC Sabathia (had him as a keeper the last three years in “fantasy” I don’t think Sabathia needs to jump for NY. Realistically, there are very good west coast teams (where he is from and grew up and has family and friends and homes and lives when he isn’t in Cleveland or Millwakee) with equally, if not better chances of making it to the post-season than the Yankees.
    The Yankees aren’t the only show in town and the NL may afford Sabathia many things he wouldn’t get in NY. The Dodgers are in a very winnable division with alot of good young talent, big market money, big market commercial deals for CC. The Angels, a very weak division. The Giants, equally so.
    I thought we all knew that the Yankees could try to set the market for CC but that they would have to pay more than anyone else to get him?
    I think that Hal’s comments are also realistic for the Yankees because they to have to make decisions that are best for them.

    walein November 22, 2008, 1:27 am
  • in looking back at my own comments, i’d have to agree with you yf that i let my emotions get the better of me a little bit…i was reacting more to the continued misrepresentation of the arod deal than i was to cc, even though i took it out on him some…the rest of you guys are right…a protracted lack of reaction to an offer is probably typical in negotiations…cc has no obligation to jump at the first offer proposed to him, especially if he has factors besides money that are important to him, which is what i keep hearing…that notion does make me a little uneasy though should he ultimately sign with the yanks…if his heart is really somewhere else, i hope he winds up there…my lack of commitment comment was unfair, because i suppose he’ll give it all no matter where he winds up…i hope the yanks move on to other things while they wait for him to make up his mind, unless by leaving the issue open it hamstrings them from making other moves…in that light hal’s reasonable and sensible comments seem even moreso…

    dc November 22, 2008, 8:14 am
  • The Yankees have every right to retract an offer. And they have every right to tell CC that the offer might expire. But the public advertisement of such deadlines by a higher up means almost nothing. This isn’t Yankee specific. But considering what the Yankees need this year, the amount of money they have to spend, the idea that once CC’s offer expires it will never be resurrected is preposterous. If the Sox make an offer to Teixeira (or any high profile need) and publicly detail it’s temporariness I will call them on it too.
    What Hal did is what you learn in “Remedial Negotiation 101”. It is neither wrong, stupid, nor unexpected. It’s almost a de facto move. In the end it doesn’t mean much of anything, which is/was the point.

    SF November 22, 2008, 8:49 am
  • Just curious. For the people who believe that CC waiting on the offer means he isnt interested, does that also mean that nobody is interested in Mark Teixieria since he reportedly hasnt received any offers yet? I would have thought at least one team would have wanted his services….

    Sam-YF November 22, 2008, 11:38 am
  • no one is interested in Teixeira because everyone knows that pitching wins championships and offense doesn’t have an effect.

    Nick-YF November 22, 2008, 11:45 am
  • actually, i didn’t see hal issue a specific deadline sf…all he said was that the offer wasn’t going to be on the table indefinitely…um, duh, stating the obvious perhaps, but hardly objectionable…hal’s responding to cc’s lack of response…i probably understand negotiations as well as you claim to, so neither tactic is a surprise…again, it’s possible that the yanks want to move on from here if cc’s not interested and go to plan b and/or c…and no sf, his actions not meaning “much of anything” was not your point…the point of your post quite clearly was to take another cheap, inaccurate shot at the “little” steinbrenners…it’s getting old frankly, or can we keep revisiting other silliness like the “evil empire”, gorilla suit, trashing hotel rooms, whose captain has the most intangibles, and the failure to keep manny from committing the “ultimate mannyism”…?
    sam, you have a good point about tex…lack of an offer is of course not to be considered a lack of interest…it is early in the fa process, and some teams take each transaction one at a time…it is possible that the yanks won’t go after tex if they sign up a bunch of pitching…not likely, but possible…

    dc November 22, 2008, 3:09 pm
  • since he reportedly hasnt received any offers yet?
    It’s been reported that the Red Sox are believed to have made an offer already.

    Paul SF November 22, 2008, 5:22 pm
  • Where did you read that Paul?
    Ive only seen they are planning on making an offer.
    If it was a $160+ mil offer and he hasnt excepted it yet, does that mean he isnt interested in the sox?

    Sam-YF November 22, 2008, 5:54 pm
  • Here’s the link, Sam.
    I would be utterly surprised if Teixeira didn’t wait for a while on such an offer, partly because Boras is his agent, and partly because it can only benefit him for a team like the Yankees to get desperate if, say, they lose the Sabathia sweepstakes.
    My hope? The Sox pushed in with an offer of 8/160 and are prepared to go to $200m, if necessary.

    Paul SF November 22, 2008, 11:31 pm
  • Thanks Paul.
    However, that article didnt really leave me without questioning the statement that the sox had made an offer. I havent read it anywhere else and that author said it practically in passing. Regardless, Im sure there will be an offer forthcoming.
    You are absolutely right that that Teixeiria will wait on any offers he receives as the market develops. My question about his interest in the sox was more in jest. This has been my point all along regarding CC too. There have been a number of comments here and articles in the press saying that his lack of just taking the first offer he was given by the yankees immediately is in someway evidence of him spurning the team. I think this is lazy writing and just plain inaccurate. He is doing the same as Tex is/will be doing: letting the market develop and allowing the most time for teams to consider him. This is exactly what they should be doing to maximize their payday. As much as YFs would like CC to just take the truckload of money and the “honor” of being a yankee or other non-YFs would like to see no action as an act of defiance against the sport’s richest team, I believe this is all part of the negotiations.

    Sam-YF November 23, 2008, 10:46 am
  • There’s a great article here that discusses the possibility that the Yankees strike out on Lowe, Burnett and Sabathia.

    Atheose November 23, 2008, 12:41 pm
  • Great from what perspective? The dreams of a SF? This article was just speculation based on basically nothing.

    Sam-YF November 23, 2008, 2:21 pm

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