Dumb and Dumber

Springunis

Spring Training gear with white trim: Dumb
Steve Swindal busted for DUI: Dumber

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  • Who’s to say you wouldn’t be swilling some MaCallan 18yr until the early mornin’ if your father-in-law was Big Stein. HAAAA HAAAA.

    bloodyank78 February 16, 2007, 1:54 am
  • Who’s to say you wouldn’t be swilling some MaCallan 18yr until the early mornin’ if your father-in-law was Big Stein. HAAAA HAAAA.

    bloodyank78 February 16, 2007, 1:54 am
  • Never too cool to laugh your own joke. Sorry guys.=P Watching Keith Hernandez on Seinfeld right now…. good times.

    bloodyank78 February 16, 2007, 2:01 am
  • Actually, one is dumb, the other is criminal. Decide for yourself which one is which.

    SF February 16, 2007, 6:48 am
  • Foulke Retired
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2767796
    As for the uni’s, I am not for it, but I imagine it’s a MLB thing, not just a Yankee thing.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 16, 2007, 9:12 am
  • Note: Yanks will also wear a black armband for Corey Lidle this year.

    YF February 16, 2007, 9:44 am
  • Wow, that Foulke. Walking away from that much money takes guts..

    Lar February 16, 2007, 10:11 am
  • A tip of the cap to Keith Foulke. His gutsy, near-flawless performance in the 2004 ALCS will haunt my dreams forever.

    Jeremy February 16, 2007, 11:14 am
  • darn right sf…the yankees continue to embarass themselves…

    dc February 16, 2007, 11:41 am
  • ashes to ashes, yankees to dust
    george steinbrenner, the once proud owner of the once proud yankees, deserves credit for all that he accomplished. now, from what i read, he rides down stairs every morning in his bathrobe on his stair glider, polishes all that dust off his trophies and rings, and waits for the nurse to bring him breakfast. john henry, on the other hand, is out buying half of roush racing, outbidding old george for dice-k, doing tons of charity work, while replacing george as the best owner in baseball. it is a great time to be a fan of the-ole-towne-team.
    George’s Son in Law Steve Swindal and Future Owner of the Yankees got arrested for DUI. The Yankees organization are in turmoil and a mess. The Yankees Soap Opera continues with Mariano wants a contract extension, and Bernie situation is a mess. The Yankees Empire has fallen and Redsox and Redsox Nation reigns Supreme.

    Phreek February 16, 2007, 12:22 pm
  • The Yankees Empire has fallen and Redsox and Redsox Nation reigns Supreme.
    Thanks for sharing. Maybe that means they can finish first this year.

    john February 16, 2007, 12:26 pm
  • Make the playoffs, John. First is just tasty gravy. You ought to know that by now, right?

    SF February 16, 2007, 12:27 pm
  • SF – You’re telling me that you don’t care the Sox finished second seven or eight years in a row and then faded to third?
    Even if you don’t care, baseball is not hockey. Finishing first in a 162 game season means something.

    john February 16, 2007, 12:34 pm
  • I do care. But I don’t care that much. I just want in to the playoffs, as baseball is currently structured. 20 years ago I cared a lot more.

    SF February 16, 2007, 12:36 pm
  • I’m all for the Wild Card, but think like many that the final result should somehow give a little more advantage to the team with the best record than it does — because it is tough to grind through a 162 game season, and as Billy Beane and John Henry point out, getting through two rounds of playoffs, with the first round being short, is difficult, and the best team often doesn’t win.

    john February 16, 2007, 12:39 pm
  • I REALLY want the Sox to win the division (some year or other *sigh*), but yeah, playoffs first.
    And I maintain that I almost don’t care about 3rd place last year. Both double digits out of first and no shot at the playoffs in either the Jays’ or Sox’ case.

    Devine February 16, 2007, 12:48 pm
  • This is the Year My beloved Redsox win the Al east and World Series. The Yankees choked last year playoffs against tigers. Last Year was The Yankees year to win the World Series without The Angels and Redsox.
    The Al east improves dramatically. It will be tough for the Yankees to win The division again.
    The 2007 season I’m hoping Good Karma and luck went towards Redsox way. Yankees continues to have badluck especially Arod. I’m laughing when Yankees acquired Arod via Trade? Arod’s is a curse and bad karma as long he plays for the Yankees and will never win a world series.
    Manny Ramirez – 1 world series ring
    Arod – none.. :)

    Phreek February 16, 2007, 1:02 pm
  • Derek Jeter = 4 Rings
    Manny Ramirez = 1 Ring
    Way to Cherry Pick.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 16, 2007, 1:09 pm
  • As for last season Phreek, it would be in your best interest not to bring up what the Yankees did considering your team finished 3rd. You have to be there to choke. Also if you are truly a “Baseball” fan and you watched the whole series, I am pretty sure no team was going to do much against those pitching performances the Tigers threw out there.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 16, 2007, 1:12 pm
  • “Arod’s is a curse and bad karma as long he plays for the Yankees and will never win a world series.”
    As a Redsox fan, you should know something about “curses”. And while Arod hasn’t lived up to expectations in the postseason, I’ll take his numbers over your rabbits feet.
    It’s true that coming in first in the division doesn’t mean much anymore. But considering what a crap shoot the postseason is, I think regular season record is a truer measure of a team. That being said, any fan would trade a handful of empty first-places for one world series ring.

    Yanksmitch February 16, 2007, 1:18 pm
  • AL East titles do mean something. Maybe not now, but definitely down the road. In NY and Boston, I know there is really only one goal and that’s a ‘Ship. But someday when we are old and look back on these fruitful years of both the Sox and Yankees, it will be nice to see all the AL East titles. Otherwise you will be saying yeah we were good during that run to Grandson, But Grandpa where are the flags like the Yankees have? Oh nevermind we were good gosh darn, we were good.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 16, 2007, 1:24 pm
  • Triskaidekaphobia February 16, 2007, 1:31 pm
  • Ok This century Redsox won 1, Yankees won zero world series title.
    The Yankees will never win a world series as long Republican President seated in Whitehouse.
    Enough said….

    Phreek February 16, 2007, 1:53 pm
  • WOW Phreek, you got me. Over a 7 year span we can conclude that the Sox are head and shoulders above the Yankees. I have officially converted, thanks for helping me see the light!
    “This century” you make it sound like 2000 was the 1800’s, LOL. Again way to cherry pick what time frame to use. Just answer this question for me Phreek:
    Since 2000 have the Yankees ever finished in 3rd place?

    Triskaidekaphobia February 16, 2007, 2:01 pm
  • ooooh. The third place bomb! Phreek, you aint gonna put up with that crap, are you?

    Anonymous February 16, 2007, 2:07 pm
  • Nope, but Cashman will have nightmares for not signing Big Papi when he was free agent. :)

    Phreek February 16, 2007, 2:12 pm
  • 162 game season means something.
    yeah, it does. As long as said team doesnt continue to crap out in the playoffs, it means a lot. Otherwise, it’s a win- loss record tarnished by a distinct inability to get it rolling when it mattered. I’m sure that the Yankees themselves, Steinbrenner included, are consoled by this fact. In fact, at the end of John Smoltz’s career, he’ll look back and brag about all those NL East titles.
    We’ve been down this road before a million times. It’s a consolation thing. They’re consoled by record and AL East when they’re elimated from the playoffs in embarrassing fashion – once again.
    Why do we re-hash this over and over again.

    Anonymous February 16, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • Hmmmm..looks like it’s Phreeky Friday.

    Frank February 16, 2007, 2:16 pm
  • Trisk:
    Disengage. This is not good for my side, I suggest we let this die quietly.
    Please?!

    SF February 16, 2007, 2:16 pm
  • God, such a limited view of things, and you call yourself a baseball fan, whoever just wrote that! It’s such a long season, filled with so many interesting points, so many highs and lows and great single games, that I would hope that it’s more than just rings and championships. I’ve enjoyed and liked the Yanks, especially the team of the last three years, even if they’ve come up short in the play-offs. They’ve provided a lot of excitement, and have been more successful than most teams. It’s a difficult thing to do this winning a world series.

    Nick-YF February 16, 2007, 2:19 pm
  • didn’t mean to fan the flames, SF, I just lost my patience with this silliness. Sorry.

    Nick-YF February 16, 2007, 2:22 pm
  • One title in the last 89 years and delushional Sox fans think they’re on par with the Yankees who have 26 in that timespan.
    Call it 26-6 all time if you want, but all you punks will be dead before Boston hits double figures, and the Sox will never catch the Yankees for the rest of eternity.

    Frank February 16, 2007, 2:24 pm
  • One title in the last 89 years and delushional Sox fans think they’re on par with the Yankees who have 26 in that timespan.
    Call it 26-6 all time if you want, but all you punks will be dead before Boston hits double figures, and the Sox will never catch the Yankees for the rest of eternity.

    Frank February 16, 2007, 2:27 pm
  • Nick you are 100% right, I need to learn not to get tied up in these basic arguments. Damn my Italian temper. The Yankees are much more then championships, you are 100% right.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 16, 2007, 2:33 pm
  • Wait, don’t get me wrong: I want the Sox to win the division. And last year I watched the team even though they fell out of any playoff race – I watch through thick and thin, so obviously there are storylines and successes (and failures) that go beyond rings and flags. The baseball season is about far more than championships, for sure. It’s a romantic game, story-filled and enthralling. But the “division title” vs. “wild card” debate is, to me, somewhat tiresome and also less relevant than ever. And the ring-counting thing is the “I know you are but what am I” default comeback, it’s so frickin’ weak. How many Celtics fans are trotting out the “we have umpteen world titles” line right now, just because the team hasn’t won a championship that recently?
    But my real point, which wasn’t well articulated perhaps, was that until there is a really severe punishment for not winning the division but still making the playoffs via the WC, like, say, no home games at all, then the positioning, for a short series, is not a big deal. That’s my point.

    SF February 16, 2007, 2:40 pm
  • Hey Frank! Wow, two days in a row with the comments. Thanks for letting us in on the insight there!

    Brad February 16, 2007, 2:42 pm
  • When I said in another thread that it will be interesting to see how Theo’s big bets play out this year, I meant it: it wasn’t a veiled attack. The season always plays out differently than you expect, and a championship season is always something very special, because it’s very hard to win one. One of the charms of baseball is that the season is very long, and every day is different.
    I think the Yanks are better than the Sox again this year, but Dice-K and Drew, and even Tek, Beckett and Coco, could go several different ways and make me right or wrong.
    Of course you can say that about any player, but Matsui, Jeter, Mo and others have been pretty consistent. It would be surprising if one of them went way up or down, unless they suddenly get old or hurt (which can always happen).
    Pavano? Who knows. A-Rod, he’ll probably go where his head takes him, but that could be a lot of places. Wang? Yankee fans hope he steps it up one more notch and becomes an ace. Hughes? Minky? …
    Let’s get to some actual baseballs being thrown!

    john February 16, 2007, 2:53 pm
  • damnit…where’s brewer fan when we start throwing around fan/team entitlement?

    sf rod February 16, 2007, 2:59 pm
  • Redsox will win 27 titles and yankees 0 next decade.
    Thanks to The New Ownership of John Henry and Mr Lucchino. It completely changes redsox organization around and tide completely.The Redsox will stay competitive and compete for a championship every year as Ownership spends the money.

    Phreek -Go Sox February 16, 2007, 3:06 pm
  • Trying to resist comment…too difficult, can’t hold back….feeling soooo weaaakkk.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 16, 2007, 3:07 pm
  • ok trisk…i will.
    27 titles in a decade would be a record or something……i think.

    sf rod February 16, 2007, 3:10 pm
  • hahaha

    Brad February 16, 2007, 3:34 pm
  • My feeling is that Red Sox’s team gotten a lot better, but hopes that they’ll still be learning in 2007! (DMat, Paps making the transition..)

    Lar February 16, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • Now SF, I’m not being combative here, but why is the fact that the Yanks have won 26 titles in their history so, as you put it, frickin’ weak?
    Especially when Boston love to bring up the fact that they’ve won a title this century and the Yanks haven’t. Talk about weak.
    What stronger point could any fan of any team argue from, than the amount of World Championships they’ve won?
    I would say Frank nailed Phreeky right to the wall.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 6:05 pm
  • I would say that I suspect Phreek to be the same person as Amir and all the other trollish characters we’ve had around here since the Matsuzaka conversations in December raised this blog to a whole new level of awareness among the general blogging public.
    They all have a tenuous grasp of the English language, seem to have difficulty with their use of past and present tense, and capitalize odd words at odd times. None of them has yet made a point worth arguing but merely copied and pasted the same content on several different blogs and sometimes — only rarely — they stick around to keep the flame war they started going.
    So, I would not say Frank nailed anybody to the wall when he said the Sox will not catch the Yankees for “the rest of eternity,” an unprovable and wholly illogical statement that did nothing but nail Frank’s own argument to the wall. He did rebut a trollish character with a juvenile argument that made little sense on its face. Considering Phreek’s response, I doubt he even read it.
    Instead, I would say that the YFs and SFs alike here need to be a little more temperate in letting theselves be baited by strangers who come here with ill-advised, ill-posited and downright moronic arguments. They aren’t worth your time.

    Paul SF February 16, 2007, 6:38 pm
  • Whereas I would say Frank and Phreeky both need to shut up.

    Devine February 16, 2007, 6:39 pm
  • Clarifying — I was calling Phreek’s the juvenile argument that made little sense on its face. Although Frank’s wasn’t much better. Just how do the number of world championships affect the 2007 season again?

    Paul SF February 16, 2007, 6:43 pm
  • 26 rings vs. biggest choke in the history of organized athletics. sure there will be world series winners, but will there ever be such an epic heartless collapse?
    ….and sf rod is the by far the sexiest poster around here.

    flame troll February 16, 2007, 6:48 pm
  • Paul,
    You didn’t like what Frank had to say, so you call it juvenile, unprovable, and totally illogical.
    Let’s take a look. Frank says:
    1.The Sox have one title in 89 years. True.
    2.Delusional Sox fans think they’re on par with the Yankees. True, some Sox fans, after 2004 do think that, and Phreeky seemed to think the Sox have had it better than the Yanks. Heh.
    3.Yanks have won 26 titles in the time the Sox have won one. True.
    4.Title count-all time, 26-6 in favor of the Yanks. True.
    5. Boston punks will be dead before Boston gets to 10 titles. Hard to say, but very possible.
    6. Boston will never catch the Yanks for having the most titles, till the end of time, or let’s say as long as they play baseball. Well, who knows? But really Paul, you don’t think your going to rip off a 20-0 title run on the Yanks in the next century do ya’?
    Yeah, I’d have to say Frank’s comment passes the litmus test Paul, whether you like it or not. Now I’m mostly kidding here Paul, so don’t go postal on me.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 7:29 pm
  • flame troll,
    “biggest choke in the history of organized athletics”.
    I can’t argue that. No team ever lost in the playoffs after holding a 3-0 lead. I STILL shake my head when I think about 2004, but I’m learning to live with it. Heh.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 7:34 pm
  • Harsh words from Paul, calling me Illiterate and moron. I guess Paul is My english teacher from now on.. He’s great at teaching english. Can you teach me I had trouble mixing past and present tense? Thanks :)
    Let’s go RedSox 2007. Matsuzaka and Papelbon will win 20 games both of them.

    Phreek -Go Sox February 16, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • ‘Just how do the number of world championships affect the 2007 again?’
    In no way whatsoever. Nobody said it did. This goes back to the Frank and Phreeky show this afternoon.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • Now you’ve pissed off one of your own Paul. Not good.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • Paul, I don’t know whether to be amused or offended by you calling Phreeky an illiterate moron.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Especially when Boston love to bring up the fact that they’ve won a title this century and the Yanks haven’t. Talk about weak.
    Not a big fan of this line of argument either, though I have to admit some dark, perverted attraction to it…
    The “rings” thing is not about whether it’s true or not (it is, obviously), but whether it’s any kind of intelligent retort. Like the “no success in the oughts” insult, it’s typically hauled out when there is nowhere to go, when one’s fandom is backed against a wall. Hence my qualification of it as a “I know you are but what am I” type thing; it’s a deflection, not a salient argument. I am not a big fan of this style of debate, whether trotted out by an SF or a YF.

    SF February 16, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • “They all have a tenuous grasp of the English language, seem to have difficulty with their use of past and present tense, and capitilize odd words at odd times. None of them has yet made a point worth arguing but merely copied and pasted the same content on several different blogs”
    My God Paul, that sounds like a..uh… racist.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • “The 2007 season I’m hoping Good Karma and luck went towards Redsox way. ”
    If anything about that sentence from Phreek screams “literacy” or “intelligence,” I’ll gladly retract my point. I stand by my argument — Ihate troll, regardless of which side they’re trolling on.

    Paul SF February 16, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • Hey Paul, did it ever occur to you that someone who speaks like that is trying to learn English as a 2nd or 3rd language?
    Actually, some of the most intelligent people I know speak English like that, friends from Laos and Cambodia.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Hehe, that should be, “I hate trolls.” Not sure what happens there. Of course I would bludgeon a sentence when we’re discussing literacy…

    Paul SF February 16, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • How about we get back to the theme of the thread, and do some bookkeeping:
    Yanks heirs-to-the Ownership who get nailed for drunk driving: 1
    Sox heirs-to-the-Ownership who get nailed from drunk driving: 0
    You guys are one up, I am happy to say.

    SF February 16, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Who ever own this website yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com ? I want Paul to apologize and I’m planning to sue .

    Phreek -Go Sox February 16, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • WE:
    Your point is well taken. I think we need to be able to recognize the difference between bad writing and an effort at writing in an unfamiliar language. To also be fair to Paul, it is very difficult to discern the difference in a blog post. I do understand what you are saying, and wish we could just stick to the merits of the arguments made, and not jump on literacy as a way to tear down someone’s position. This blog is frequented by people of varying ages, varying nationalities, and varying educations; their opinions are valid independent of these.
    On the other hand, someone stating the the Sox will win 27 titles to the Yankees zero in the coming years is kind of stupid, regardless of their native language, right?

    SF February 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • “someone stating the Sox will win 27 titles to the Yankees zero in the coming years is kind of stupid”
    I would say SF, it would depend if he was serious and really believed that, or if he was just throwing out some outrageous comments to try to get a reaction from some Yankee fans.
    I would like to know a little more about Phreek. Perhaps he is from Japan, is just now a Sox fan with the signing of DMat, has been cruising Sox blogs, and perhaps has picked up some questionable habits, like dropping into different blogs to rattle the Yankee cages and declare his passion for the Red Sox.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • One last reminder:
    When scoring “drunks in the front office”, you do it like golf. The lower number the better. Yanks trail by one.
    (just trying to get this thing back on topic, dammit!)

    SF February 16, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Are you suggesting that whenever someone shows up on a blog and spouts typo/grammer-error ridden crap we should lay off, because English might not be their primary language? Sorry, but that implies a certain confidence in the ability of our public schools to pump out kids with the ability to form a coherent sentence…I don’t have that confidence. I Get what you’re saying, though I’m not quite sure where this uber-P.C stuff is coming from, but I disagree with the premise that we should be extra-sensitive with those who can’t really type. Besides, if he were saying something less abrasive, nobody would have said a word.
    PS: If this is primarily a tongue-in-cheek exercise by WE to rag on Paul, that’s actually pretty funny.

    desturbd1 February 16, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • Hardly, D1. I don’t think we should just forgive illiteracy, generally speaking. I am saying that since we have no way of knowing the reasons behind a garbled post, then what’s the point in making that a focus of criticism, other than to insult? What if a poster is 13 years old (I’m 38 – should I just assume the other person is 38 as well and has a post-graduate degree?)? What if the poster is from Japan, while I am from Boston? I don’t think it’s “uber-PC”, just common-sensical. If we want to turn this into “baseball meets Strunk and White” I think we’ll get real boring real fast. Some of us write better than others. Some of us are professional writers (YF, for example). But YF has almost never torn someone up for their lesser writing abilities, and he could do that almost every day; it’s to his credit that he never does this, and much better for this blog in general. We aspire to have the most literate readership and commenting pool as possible, no matter what. But we simply do not know all the reasons behind poorly crafted comments, so why make the lack of eloquence a primary focus? The aim in that is to insult, not to engage.
    Then there’s the other option: ignore. If you believe a post to be nonsensical and/or illiterate, then let it stand out there, in full, hackish glory. Assuming that the majority of us here are literate and thoughtful, we’ll recognize the silliness and inarticulateness, so there’s no need to point out the stupidity and inelegance of some comments. Sometimes retorts are frivolous and gratuitous.

    SF February 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • “Who ever own this website yanksfansox fan.typepad.com ? I want Paul to apologize and I’m planning to sue”
    Now you’ve done it Paul, your insults and racist stereotyping in your 6:38 comment has resulted in impending litigation against YF vs. SF.
    Phreek is NOT a happy camper. Better offer up the mea culpas, pronto.
    What goes around comes around, huh Buster?

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • People have forgotten that I said the butchered language is consistent with the same ridiculous posts we’ve seen here from other trollish posters here (Amir, a YF, stands out in my mind). This was what I said. When I was attacked for saying all these trolls have a common trait of butchering the English language, I responded by showing how the language was butchered. Did Phreek make a coherent point in any of those posts? Were any of his anti-Yankee comments really worth all this time and effort? No. And that was my point all along.
    I did NOT attack someone’s use of language to tear down their point. To intimate so is to completely disregard my original point, which was that you can usually sniff out a troll through the poor use of language and the over-the-top, flame-war-inciting comments. Is this not accurate? It’s frankly pretty offensive to be called out for doing something I don’t — and don’t think I’ve ever done — on this site.
    WE, are you so blindly antagonistic that you are reduced to defending someone who made the following points?
    “now, from what i read, (Steinbrenner) rides down stairs every morning in his bathrobe on his stair glider, polishes all that dust off his trophies and rings, and waits for the nurse to bring him breakfast.”
    (That one’s especially tasteful)
    “The Yankees Empire has fallen and Redsox and Redsox Nation reigns Supreme.”
    “Yankees continues to have badluck especially Arod. I’m laughing when Yankees acquired Arod via Trade? Arod’s is a curse and bad karma as long he plays for the Yankees and will never win a world series.”

    Paul SF February 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • “It’s frankly pretty offensive to be called out for something I don’t–and don’t think I’ve ever done–on this site.”
    Perhaps now Paul, you can understand how I felt when I came under criticism here and had to defend myself because of a light-hearted, totally innocent comment I made back in an earlier thread while referring to Asahi beer, which was born out of your suggestion that I may have made a racially insensitive comment.
    When the shoe was on the other foot, I guess I just couldn’t let it go by, even if it was mostly tongue in cheek.
    But, enough is enough, and I’d be happy to lay this to rest now, if you’d like, as I’m sure SF would too.

    Whatever February 16, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • WE, I’ll try to explain my earlier comment. I said I wasn’t sure whether to be bemused or offended because I was just that — unsure as to the nature of the comment. It struck me as an attempt at humor that could be read into many different ways, not many of them good. I wasn’t trying to call you a bigot, and I’m sorry the conversation spiraled out of control that way, which is why I left it alone, figuring to stay out of it was the best way to let it die. You said your wife is Japanese (I think), and that she thought the comment was funny, so I accepted that and let it go. I can understand how you thought I was trying to call you out for being a bigot, but I was merely trying to get more clarification by throwing out a flippant one-liner, which clearly was not the way to go. I do regret how that exploded. Peace?
    As for our friend Phreek, if he’s a genuine Red Sox fan with genuine thoughts on the Sox and Yanks, then I’ll apologize right here in this thread. His comments, however, have been anything but that. They’ve been inflammatory, insulting to fans of both teams (either literally or by association), and of the same grammatical and structural characteristics of previous trolls that have come here to post tangentially related anti-Sox and anti-Yanks rants in various posts. By pointing this out, I was trying to say let’s let this die, not inflame it further or be mischaracterized into being accused of putting him down because he has a poor grasp of English. We have posters here, myself included, who typo sentences into oblivion, type in all lower-case, have no idea how to spell words, etc. Not all of us are writers, and if some of us hail from different countries and their primary language is not English, that’s great. But anyone, regardless of their grasp of the English language, should expect to be called out if they incite a pointless flame war by saying the crap that Phreek did here today.
    That’s all I have to say about either of these topics. Good night.

    Paul SF February 17, 2007, 12:03 am
  • Umm…I wasn’t trying to addres you, SF, sorry about that. I stepped away for a bit while typing…didn’t see your post after WE’s. In any case…glad I was right about WE’s jabs being mostly in jest.
    I wasn’t trying to sound like a snob, or suggest that we discount someone for punctuation or grammar miscues…but when the content is that inflammatory, I think it becomes fair game. Sure, it’s best to ignore those we think are just baiting for a fight…but everyone says that, and eventually, somebody bites. We’re all guilty of it, I think, once in a while. As Paul said, Phreek’s, umm, “writing style” is typical of one seeking to start a flame war.
    As such, I was trying to say that I don’t think we need concern ourselves with any possible language issues…we should just ignore those we think are just baiting. But failing that, pointing out a troll’s writing deficiencies in the context of, “you write like a troll, what you’re saying is troll-like,” is perfectly fair. This was really all Paul did to begin with…most of the other stuff came about because WE had a grudge. ;-)
    If phreek had been trying to converse with an iota of civility and had trouble being clear because of some sort of language barrier or whatever, this never would have been an issue, and anyone who tried to make it one would have been over the line.

    desturbd1 February 17, 2007, 1:40 am
  • Make that ‘address…’ I edit and I edit and still I miss…

    desturbd1 February 17, 2007, 1:48 am
  • generally this site has a good sense of equilibrium, and while a particular argument [usually non-baseball] can make it list from time to time, it usually rights itself and glides back onto a steady course…but this was one thread which was particularly uncomfortable to read…yep, i’m the guy who doesn’t capitalize, i use “yep”, and i’ve even used “ain’t” a few times for effect…i won’t bother to share the specifics of my credentials, but i had a career where i was [partly] paid for my writing…i had to learn to appreciate the entire audience and communicate accordingly…however, that little tidbit shouldn’t make me feel intellectually superior, or somehow automatically validate my thoughts about a topic, nor should anyone else here feel that way…i have no problem with challenging a fellow poster with facts or even jokes on an opposing point of view, or to point out the lack of veracity of a comment, but to focus on personality, style, spelling, grammar, and punctuation, is so horribly off topic, and perhaps unintentionally, seems a bit condescending…it frankly suggests, as i’ve said before, you’ve run out of arguments…you guys are better than that…

    dc February 17, 2007, 6:55 pm

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