Eating Some Crow: Jays-Sox Gamer XV

Interesting fact about blue jays, arguably the prettiest members of the crow family: They’re not really blue. The structure of their feathers refracts light in a way that appears blue to our eyes. When the feathers are crushed, the color disappears.

Perhaps there’s a lesson here for the eponymous team from Toronto, which every year is the pretty pick to make a splash in the American League East. Wowed by its flashy feathers — Roy Halladay, Vernon Wells, Troy Glaus, B.J. Ryan, A.J. Burnett, Lyle Overbay — the pundits flock to it, picking it as the sleeper playoff team or even — like last year — as the division winner.

Every year, however, when the feathers are crushed, and the light is gone, we find the bird is nothing more than another ugly crow.

Such is the Jays’ fate again this year, seemingly stuck in neutral, just above .500, flying in circles as they attempt to recover from a nasty passel of injuries earlier in the season. They’ve got a fearsome lineup — Wells, Thomas, Glaus, Overbay, Rios. They’ve got two potential aces in Halladay and Burnett. Yet here they are, on the brink of being swept — again — by the Red Sox, who are 7-2 in their last nine against them.

Somehow, Curt Schilling has managed to avoid the fearsome — at least on paper — Blue Jay lineup for nearly two years, last facing them on Sept. 27, 2005. He didn’t fare well then, and he remains a pretty big question mark in the Sox’ march toward October. He’s coming off two fine outings, and three of his five starts since returning from the DL have been superb. Perhaps the tide has turned for Curt and what remains of his career after a frustrating season.

In response, the Jays crow up, I mean, throw up Shaun Marcum, who has impressive numbers (12-5, 3.75), but not in his last three starts (2-1, 7.71). He dominated the Sox last September, to the tune of eight scoreless innings, allowing just two hits and a walk while striking out 10. It remains the best game he’s ever pitched. He eked out a win against Julian Tavarez in July.

The Sox, winners of four in a row, look to make it five and tie their longest winning streak of the season (done three times). Comment away!

Lineups (we can only assume Amalie Benjamin meant Ellsbury’s in left tonight):

Red Sox

1. Julio Lugo, SS
2. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Mike Lowell, 3B
5. J.D. Drew, RF
6. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Coco Crisp, CF
9. Alex Cora, 2B

SP – Curt Schilling

Blue Jays

1. Vernon Wells, CF
2. Matt Stairs, LF
3. Alex Rios, RF
4. Frank Thomas, DH
5. Troy Glaus, 3B
6. Lyle Overbay, 1B
7. Aaron Hill, 2B
8. Gregg Zaun, C
9. John McDonald, SS

SP – Shaun Marcum

186 comments… add one
  • We can’t lose. Why? Because Julian Tavarez is a muthaf*ckin jetski.
    Do any other teams have a human-jetski? I think not. Fear us, Toronto!

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 6:02 pm
  • Great title/concept for the gamer, Paul.
    Nice joke/screen to start us off, Atheose.
    Care to keep the quality contributions coming, Curt?

    Devine September 5, 2007, 6:07 pm
  • Not jetski-worthy, but I thought the more math-oriented people who frequent this site might get a kick out of this. The optimal baseball season would be 256 games.
    That would mean a lot more domes, I’m guessing? Maybe some heaters on the pitcher’s mound?
    Let’s go Curt!

    rk September 5, 2007, 6:11 pm
  • 2 CF’s?

    Lar September 5, 2007, 6:25 pm
  • Yeah, Lar. They decided to evaluate who to trade in the offseason by having Crisp and Ellsbury engage in footraces to the balls hit to left field.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 6:48 pm
  • Might still get faster to the ball than Manny.. ;)

    Lar September 5, 2007, 6:50 pm
  • Anyone else have a bad feeling about the game tonight? I don’t know why, I’m just worried this isn’t going to end well.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 7:01 pm
  • Feeling absolutely neutral just this second (which is not the way I feel every night), Lockland, but that could change in, say, 6 minutes.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:05 pm
  • Lockland- asking Sox fans if they have a sense of impending doom is like asking Eskimos if they think it’s going to snow.

    Ayuh - SF September 5, 2007, 7:13 pm
  • Clean first inning for Schilling.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:13 pm
  • Worry factor was at 9, on a scale of 1 to 10, it’s now at 8.74.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 7:13 pm
  • Indeed Ayuh. We could be 10 games up righ tnow.. and I’d still be chewing my baseball. (I have a abseball on my desk – I boguht it hopign to get it signed at a game I went to. Now I hold it during games and often bite down on it a bit… especially when Im tense, which is almost always)

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:15 pm
  • This kid is FAST.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 7:17 pm
  • Woohoo, Jacoby! What a start to September for this guy.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:17 pm
  • Worry factor now at 8.63

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • Jacoby once again!

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • David walks.
    Lowell time

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:21 pm
  • Hmmmm. Kinda surprised they didn’t try sending him on Lowell’s single.
    Loaded. 1 out.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:23 pm
  • Basehit. Ellsbury had to hold up in case th eball was caught… bases loaded for, ugh.. Drew.
    Just keep it off the ground, ok JD?

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:23 pm
  • 3-0
    Take all the way here…

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:24 pm
  • Worry factor now at 7.33

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 7:25 pm
  • Hit that one hard! Damn.
    Hill couldn’t get it out of his glove quickly and Drew is too fast, so Ellsbury gets in.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:26 pm
  • 3-1, he was indeed taking.
    Foul! 3-2.
    Dammit.. Drew’s gonna make at least one out.
    Beats out the DP due to a fielder stumbling. Ellsbury in.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:26 pm
  • I don’t know if SF is around tonight, but my menu for the evening…
    Cornish Game Hens, roasted on a bed of Bermuda Onions (thanks mom), with Cornbread Cranberry stuffing, whipped and truffled potatoes, NH sweet corn on the cob, zucchini and summer squash, blueberry muffins (thanks again mom)

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 7:26 pm
  • Youk almost nails Papi. Dont do that Youk

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:27 pm
  • 2-2 to Youk.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:28 pm
  • YouK.
    1-0 Sox after 1.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:29 pm
  • Youk fans. Still a run in and lots of pitches thrown.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 7:30 pm
  • 2 on quick for Toronto. None out.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:34 pm
  • 2nd and 3rd. 1 out.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:36 pm
  • Cora makes a great catch headed for the outfield and holds the runners! 2 out.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:37 pm
  • Rings up Zaun to end it on a questionable pitch low and away. Phew!

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Tek walks on 8 pitches.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • Evening all..anything good of not yet beyond the 1-0 score?

    rob September 5, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • Coco sacrifices on a bunt that goes straight down, then bounces high into the air to move Tek over.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • Ouch. Doubled off. That’s the inning.
    rob…Jacoby’s double? That’s probably the highlight thus far.
    Replay shows 2nd baseman’s foot was not on the bag when he caught the throw after the lineout.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • Just tuned in to the DVR, caught up to present time in about 10 minutes. Good to see the Sox on top, and Drew got robbed on a nice play by Hill.
    Does Youk need glasses? What the hell us up with his K-errhea?

    SF September 5, 2007, 7:48 pm
  • Thanks Devine, was curious if anything exciting had happened.

    rob September 5, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • Schill, do not do that, please.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Schill a tiny bit SCHaky – has he been behind a bunch of guys or am I mistaken?

    SF September 5, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Wow, nice stupid grab by Schill with the barehand.

    SF September 5, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • SEA up 2-0

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • Dinnah time – back in a bit.

    SF September 5, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • Seattle in the lead 2-0

    rob September 5, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • Damn..beat me to it Lockland.

    rob September 5, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • Man, Lugo stinks. I really can’t see any rationale for having him lead off ever, ever, ever. Even if you’re about that get speed on the paths, then get the reliable guys to drive him in, it makes more sense to have him hit 9th.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • What the HELL IS PAPI DOING!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
    Come on man.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Papi out trying to stretch 1 base into 2. Gar.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • Off work and headed home. Later, guys!

    Devine September 5, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • it’s funny to watch him running like that when he makes it but it just seems silly not that he is out

    rootbeerfloat September 5, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Curt is laboring, still a gamer and still getting the outs he needs but terribly old and fat.
    Doesn’t he look even fatter than last week?

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • This game is closer than it should be. Boston is hitting and getting on base every inning, but has only one run to show for it.
    On the upside, Schilling is at an efficient 52 pitches through four.

    Hudson September 5, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Rip for Wells, 1/2 two down. Bear down, Schill.

    SF September 5, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • Crap.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Oof, tough call – slowed down it looks like a blown call, but at full speed hard to say. Now Rios drives in a second run. Curt looks terrible right now.

    SF September 5, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Come on Schill, get back on track.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Need to pull the game hens out and let them rest, whip the potatoes and heat up the muffins, then eat. Be back soon…

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • This is a meltdown.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Can you imagine if he………..

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • That’s a sac, Jac.

    Devine September 5, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • boogers.
    Is Schill coming back out?

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 9:01 pm
  • yep, one quick out

    rowley September 5, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • make that two

    rowley September 5, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Youk down on a HBP. Anyone watching? I’ve just got gameday tonight.

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • TEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • ‘Tek with a 2-run pop, putting us back up 4-3. Whew.

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Youk’s alright, just a little scrape, they put a bandage on it, he’s all good.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Thnak You TEK! (just as I get back form checking on my sick grandfather too!)

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Toast!

    SF September 5, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Coco!

    SF September 5, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • God bless Coco! Double to center.

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Cora makes the out though. Dustin wouldn’t have. Still.. kid’s gott rest soemtime.
    Is there any time that Ellsbury doesnt come through in the clutch, by the way?

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Corey finally makes an appearance.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • DP!

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • out number 3!
    Insurance time, right Jacoby?

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • lol, 2 curtain calls in the same inning for Arod. *sigh* wtf Mariners, way to hork up your chances at the wildcard.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • NSTB – I thought you were joking. Just checked. Cripes.

    rootbeerfloat September 5, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Lugo walks, Jacoby time!
    I think, for Ellsbury, we need to bring back an old nickname.
    “Flash” or perhaps “The Flash”
    Unlike as for Tom Gordon, I do not mean the scifi Flash Gordon character.. but for Jacoby I feel the DC Comics super hero is appropriate.
    The Flash as in the Scarlet Speedsters such as Jar Garrick, Barry Allen and Wally West

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • What’s Navajo for ‘F*cking Great Kid with Tremendous Speed’

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • Damn.. well jacoby cant do EVERYTHING

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • I cant beleive that fell in. Wow.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • Craziness! Passed ball, I guess….

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • Never mind, wild pitch.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • Gee, I hope the Royals are all fired up to put a pounding on the Yanks. *wishful thinking*
    Seattle v. Detroit- who do we want to win that series?

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • Lowell works the walk. Ugh… Drew…
    So double play then?

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • JD Drew, GIDP, bank it, I promise he’s going to do it.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • opus. here comes drew

    Anonymous September 5, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • Seattle vs Detroit, I say Detroit. I think they have abetter chance of overtakign the Yankees.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • I don’t know why they are booing him, a K is a hell of a lot better than a double play there.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Another vintage J.D. Drew performance. What happened to Bobby Kielty?

    pale blue eyes September 5, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Drew Ks. Gets a lot of boos
    Youk up

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Detroit, NSTB. They have a better chance of catching the Yanks.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • go Youki bring some runs in!

    Anonymous September 5, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Drew strikes out, giving him an 0-for-4 on the night. 5 LOB.

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Lockland- seriously, you don’t know why Drew is getting booed?

    Ayuh - SF September 5, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Cripes, swingannamiss by Youks- brutal.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Unbe-freaking-lievable.
    Prediction: Not scoring two runs there will come back to bite us, big time.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Youk Ks.
    Man.. we are just leavign men all over the place.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • Okay, go Detroit!!

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • I imagien It’ll eb Delcarmen and Oki to close this out.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Delcarmen in. Who takes the ninth? Certainly not Papelbon. Okajima?

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Oki, I’m sure Paul. Even if Gagne was available, they aren’t gonna make his first appearance back be in a save situation. They’ll toss him for a laugher, one way or the other, first.
    Update: Okajima and Timlin are warming.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • when does Youk get benched? He’s clearly spent, needs rest. He’s a K machine at this point.

    SF September 5, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • And there you have it …

    pale blue eyes September 5, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • I hate being right. Dammit.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • ****!

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Atheose, I was kidding, based on my prediction of him grounding in to the DP, the K was a big improvement.
    I know this sounds nuts and it’s not going to happen, but screw it, he’s hot, keep playing Jacoby, even in RF.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Four chances the Sox have had with the bases loaded — three of them with fewer than two out. All we got is a fielder’s choice, a sac fly, and two strikeouts. That is terrible.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • Hinske for Youk then, SF? Not great. Anybody instead of J.D. Drew, now that’s another matter …

    pale blue eyes September 5, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • My dinner was amazing though, so I have that going for me.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • At what point do the Sox pinch-hit Kielty for Drew? Kielty at least inspires a degree of confidence up there.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • Manny did a decent job there, even with the HR. Maybe I’m just a homer but I really like Manny this year.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • There’s the third out, but the game is frakign tied.
    Come on boys…

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • I dont htink its beigna homer. Manny clearly has potential as a releiver. He needs some more confidence and a bit more honign, but he’ll be a reliable setup man.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • The Sox had a one run lead with five outs to go. Sure, they should have had more runs, but giving up mammoth homers in the eighth is pretty terrible, too. No free passes for MDC. And Youk too – I am frankly tired of the Drew hate when Youk has been garbage, whiffing with abandon.

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • 6 outs to win it, let’s finish it in 3.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • Huh Dio?

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • Sorry, Manny did NOT do a “decent” job. He failed at his job.

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • J.D. Drew hasn’t had a hit with runners in scoring position since Aug. 21. Since then, he’s 0 for 10 with three strikeouts and three walks.
    And get this: In 22 plate appearances with RISP since a 2-run single Aug. 11, J.D. Drew has ZERO RBI…

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • For a guy who was all over Julio Lugo earlier this year, you’ve got a lot of patience with Drew, SF.

    Ayuh - SF September 5, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • SF, fine and dandy, but Drew has been crap all year while Youk is in a slump.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Whew. Tek is safe. Another weird play.

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 10:04 pm
    God freaking dammit…
    we are gonna lose this game..

    Dionysus September 5, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • I agree that Youk’s hitting has been terrible, though I seem to remember that he had two home runs in recent games. But my point was that his replacement’s not going to be an improvement whereas I do think we have outfielders that can do better than Drew right now. In the long run I believe Drew will get better.

    pale blue eyes September 5, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • He’s 2 for 19 in that span with four walks and six strikeouts.
    (That should have been 23 plate appearances, obviously).

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Dio, no, we are not going to lose this. I didn’t cook this dinner and then piss off my dinner guests posting on the internet just to lose this.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • By contrast, Youkilis entering today had RBI hits (including a three-run homer) in three of his last six PAs with RISP.
    Of course, he’s looked awful today, and had struck out his last two PAs with RISP before today, as well…

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • For the record, I agree with PBE, I think Drew is going to come around and be awesome, I just think something is wrong, or off, or broken, could be his family situation, I don’t know, but this is not the Drew we will get over the long haul.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • I’m just about tired of the Alex Cora show.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • At least we’ll have the bats we want up there in the ninth, and if there are runners on, Dustin Pedroia better be pinch-hitting for J.D. Drew — or else.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • Shyte…
    Couple just left, said on their way out, “dinner was amazing but you need some help with this Red Sox thing, we drove 2 hours.”

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Did they really, Lockland? Surely not.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • For the record, they are her friends and they suck, but I still feel a little bad.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Sucks, Lockland. Sorry, mang. Still…at least they suck. They don’t know what being a sports fan is, apparently. (Sometimes my s.o. gets a little tired of it herself.)

    Devine September 5, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • didn’t jd drive in two last night?

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • I shouldn’t have put it in quotes, because it wasn’t verbatim, but it was close to that. What’s worse, that’s what the lady friend heard.
    I was in the living room though, with them, so I don’t see the problem.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Oh crap.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Hmm, he did, SF. Baseball-Reference has had issues with the stats from that game all day. My bad.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Fuck Vernon Wells.

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • this bullpen is skidding. Oki is hitting a wall.

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • say what you want about the poor situational offense, but the bullpen was handed a one run lead and gave up hrs in the eighth and ninth. That is awful.

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • When the year started I never thought I would be saying “Wow, Okajima’s ERA is all the way up to 1.79?

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • SF, you kill me, I mean, you know what you’re talking about, you’re a very smart baseball fan, but you live in the sky is falling section.

    LocklandSF September 5, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Ellsbury, Ortiz and Lowell. If a comeback is to be had, it’s right now. *Puts on rally cap*

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • a late complaint: why wasn’t Cora hit for in the eighth?

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • Really glad the Sox got Gagne. Last time he pitched?
    August 26th.
    Beltre is going to hurt bad in three years.

    Pete SF September 5, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • Not really holding out hope on this game. And the Mariners continue proving why everyone kept dismissing them as a real playoff team.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • I agree Lockland. SF, we’ve won 4 in a row and the team is doing well. The glass is half-full, buddy.
    Ellsbury flies out to center field after seeing a lot of pitches.

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • I guess you hated the trade when it was announced then, Pete? And I’m gonna go ahead and guess you’re not really an SF…

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • Wait, so Gagne isn’t hurt? Timlin and Lopez haven’t coughed up big run this week? Oki isn’t noticeably less effective? Delcarmen has been lights out?
    I didn’t say the sky was falling, just observing that the bullpen (not Paps) is definitely having some issues. I’d think that Oki’s usage is a major concern, just in general.

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • Ugh. Down to Lowell.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • Ortiz and Lowell both out too. Game over.

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • One pitch. Ballgame. Suck.
    A winnable ballgame, and the bullpen blew it. Oh well. Still won the series, and still six games up.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Been a Sox fan since I was born in my grandparents’ Southie home…
    But yeah, I thought the trade was a waste. They didn’t need him. After tonight, I know Francona thinks the same.

    Pete SF September 5, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • For the record, since I’m about to leave, I say that to Pete because that’s exactly the kind of ill-informed, needling comment I’d expect a YF would make on a Sox game thread. If he’s truly an SF, I apologize, but in any case, the comment was needless, uncalled for and downright ludicrous.

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • Card carrying member, bro.
    Okay smartass, then why haven’t they pitched Gagne since August 26th?

    Pete SF September 5, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • I don’t feel like this game is out of reach but at the same time I also don’t feel like we’re gonna win it.
    How many LOB, 20? Something like that?
    Am I the only one who feels like our bullpen use has been weird lately? It seems like our “top” bullpen arms have been getting used in situations where their use is not necessary, and haven’t come in at the most opportune times.

    Jackie (SF) September 5, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • that is just a bad loss. No other way to say it. Offense, bad. Bullpen, bad. Missed opportunity, very frustrating.

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • Jeez, you guys need to ease up. Okajima never was going to end the season with a sub 1.00 ERA. The SOX bullpen will not hold every team in every game hitless, and the SOX cannot win every single ballgame, even those it appears they should.
    Boston wins the division and I don’t give a rat’s ass what NY does because they aren’t threat with their pitching staff.
    WS or bust

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Haha, that comment was WAY behind, I see. Thanks,…

    Jackie (SF) September 5, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Haha, that comment was WAY behind, I see. Thanks,…

    Jackie (SF) September 5, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • Agreed, RAW, they can’t win them all, but they should win games in which they take a lead into the eighth. That’s all.
    Oh, and Pete, what street in Southie? Which high school, graduating class? Curious to know, I’ve got some friends who grew up there as well.

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • ok, I give up.
    RAW, I’m not the most optimistic person in the world, but I think you have the right attitude. I think it’s almost impossible for us to blow a postseason berth at this point… but I am a little concerned about the pen being tired. I’d like to see our stronger arms rested a bit, even if it means we give up more runs in relief.

    Jackie (SF) September 5, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • They took the series from a very good team. They are doing fine.

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Actually… how about this:
    They won yesterday over Halladay with his pitching a complete game and their having a spent bullpen (as we thought, anyway). Flip it around, with an expected loss yesterday but triumph today, and would they be any better off?
    WS time

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • Since August 10th (random date, admittedly), Okajima has given up 11 hits and four walks in 10 innings of work. He’s given up 43 hits this year, so that means he’s allowed a full 25% of his hits in the last 12% of his appearances, all while his workload has remained heavy in his first season in a new league. I don’t think it’s overt negativism or panic to worry a little about his usage and his effectiveness going forward, as he gets even more tired.
    This is a legitimate concern, not a projection or prediction of his downfall.

    SF September 5, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • I don’t think it’s overt negativism or panic to worry a little about his usage and his effectiveness going forward, as he gets even more tired
    SF, look on the bright side–we’ll get to rest those arms more pretty soon when we lock up home field advantage ;-) Oki will get plenty of rest in the playoffs, when we won’t be playing games nearly as often.

    Atheose September 5, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • We won the series but took a lousy loss, hate seeing games dwindle like that. Ah well, on to Baltimore.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 5, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • I didn’t say I grew up in Southie (actually outside Dover, NH) but my grandparents lived on Athens for over fifty years. My mom went in labor at their house and my grandfather delivered me.
    Glad I had to prove my credentials. But no one has explained to me how Gagne hasn’t pitched since August 26th.

    Pete SF September 5, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • If rest is an issue he should be getting it soon with the return of Gagne, who should prove a most valuable pickup come playoff time.
    But it’s not as if he’s been crushed lately either. He gave up 3 runs to NY in garbage time, a run against LA, a loss against Balt, and another tonight. He stoned everyone else in between.

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • Gagne is hurt, Pete. Have you read the papers? He has a tender shoulder and has been held out completely. Last night on NESN Francona said that he was “close” but it didn’t sound too enthusiastic a review of his physical condition.

    SF September 5, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • Gagne has not pitched since then because his shoulder would appreciate a little rest. If it was more serious than that he would be on the DL.

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Globe said mid-week. Today is Wednesday.

    Pete SF September 5, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Have i mentioned what a fantastic trade that was?

    Pete SF September 5, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • > Boston wins the division and I don’t give a rat’s ass what NY does because they aren’t threat with their pitching staff.
    I agree Boston wins the division, barring something beyond comprehension at this point. But making the post by the WC instead of a division win means you’ve got no chance? How can you ignore the Yankee bats?
    I don’t intend to go about pimping the Bombers, and I understand not giving a gerbil’s ass about NY at this moment. What’s the point in that? However, as good of a team as the Sox are on paper, there’s no way I would be overly confident in a short series with them against any other team likely to be in the post. I still think the Sox are the best team in the game, but I wouldn’t bet anything better than even money with them against anyone; I feel the same way about every contender.
    And before anyone jumps me for trolling, I don’t think the Yankees have a shot of beating the Halos in 3 of 5. I also don’t like the WC for the very reason they might actually pull it off, as heretic as it sounds. I honestly preferred two divisions playing straight-up, but there’s no going back to that. Winning the division frankly sucks when you get dumped in the DS or CS. It’s a diluted concept, the playoffs, but one I have to accept.

    attackgerbil September 5, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Wait, grasshopper. Good things never come easy.

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Any team can win a short series, Gerb. SFs who are overly cocky about the Sox’ chances against the Yanks are in for a potential bruising. Count me out of the cocky club.

    SF September 5, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • > Any team can win a short series

    attackgerbil September 5, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • Gerbil, read my lips: Some of Red Sox Nation may care what NY does but I do not. I am not sold on their starters and their bullpen is being held together by a closer who obviously does not have his best stuff anymore and another, with a whole 12 IP under his belt, who was getting hammered in college ball less then 2 years ago.
    Wang, Pettitte and Rivera may very well hold Cali AND the SOX to under 4 runs a game but if I were you I would not assume the best for the rest once the pressure of playoff baseball smacks them upside the head.

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • And not to rub it in but it does appear NY’s offense is overly reliant on Arod, and maybe that is not such a great thing come playoff time. If you know what I mean ;)

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • > Gerbil, read my lips
    That’s like trying to comply with a radio guy saying, “Did you just see that?” … but I get your point.
    I repeat that I’m not pimping the Yanks. I will be proved wrong in my prognostication if they even make the post since I (rightly) thought their rotation heading into the season was crap and figured they would not make it into October. I also said there is no reason for the Sox to worry about the Yanks at all, right now.

    attackgerbil September 5, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • I do not want to face the Yanks in the playoffs. Period.
    And Pete you wouldn’t have to prove your credentials if your first post wasn’t an antagonistic swipe at the Sox…

    Paul SF September 5, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • If the SOX do not face and beat the Yanks, in the minds of some they will have won because they slipped NY. No thanks, this team is too damn good to be subjected to that. I’d rather take my chances with Beckett, Dice and Schill against Wang, Pettitte and

    BostonRAW September 5, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • > in the minds of some
    Not in mine. The Sox’ record stands on its own. If they don’t face the Yankees in the post, it has nothing to do with dodging anyone, though while thinking about doding bullets, Colorado kicked both NY and Boston to the curb this year. Are the silver bullets Rockies the best worst team in the game this year?

    attackgerbil September 6, 2007, 12:06 am
  • Not trying to troll but the yanks have beat the sox in 7 of the last 9 games they have played. That in itself should tell you that anything can happen in a playoff series. I wouldnt be overconfident against any team in a short series.

    Sam-YF September 6, 2007, 12:41 am
  • And the SOX are 4-0 in their last 4 playoff games against NY.
    Come on, I don’t care how well NY has been playing (and spending themselves) recently against the SOX, why should you? If it is not evident to you Boston has been sleepwalking since June brought a 14 game gift you have not been paying attention. I see them as one of the best teams I have ever seen on paper, and I fully expect them to rise when the games really count.
    I think a lot of disbelievers will learn how good this team actually is come playoff time.

    BostonRAW September 6, 2007, 11:32 am

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