End of the Road?

Yankees. Angels.  Elimination.  Excitement and elation, guaranteed for everyone who reads this site, depending on the outcome.

Have at it, and here’s hoping Bartolo Colon doesn’t leave his game in his pre-contest vat of Spaghetti Bolognese. 

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  • Ha! We’re back and on this great engine of bitstreamed communication, anxious for our boys to get after it, and hopeful after last night’s stirring return to form. Go Yanks!

    YF October 10, 2005, 7:14 pm
  • This is about 99% off topic, but there’s an interesting thread at SoSH discussing Nolan Ryan (legendary or overrated? Or both?), and someone links to this boxscore. It’s 1% on topic just because it is a contrast to last night’s game (and baseball currents in general) where John Lackey, pitching a stunning game, was gone in about 2 seconds.
    Take a quick look, it’s amazing.

    SF October 10, 2005, 8:00 pm
  • That is one amazing game. I’d settle for El Tiante. But to answer your question, I’d definitely say both. Much of his career he was a mediocrity in terms of era in relation to the rest of the league. Just too wild.
    Now, let’s move on to tonight…..

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:12 pm
  • Jeets. Our hero gets things off right!!

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:17 pm
  • Jeets to Figgins: Get off!

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:23 pm
  • Colon to Matsui: Sa-WING, Battah!
    You gotta love Jeter getting to third off Vlad, though. Mr. Little Things.

    MJL in L.A. October 10, 2005, 8:31 pm
  • Jeets Jeets Jeets!!! Get that man another gold glove!

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:31 pm
  • Give us a break. Pitch ’em or pull ’em.

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:38 pm
  • Colon pulls a Wells!

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:39 pm
  • I TOLD him to lay off the Bolognese…

    SF October 10, 2005, 8:41 pm
  • *cough*bullshit*cough*

    ... October 10, 2005, 8:48 pm
  • “Don’t call me Johan” ain’t going to last long…

    SF October 10, 2005, 8:50 pm
  • 3 walks in 1 inning. Come on now, Yanks.
    PS: Bubba: don’t swing!

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:52 pm
  • Swing Bubba Swing!
    Bernie!

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:53 pm
  • Jeets! RBI. 2-0.

    YF October 10, 2005, 8:57 pm
  • Why are we running on Molina w/ A-Rod up?!

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:00 pm
  • Where’s Ivan? Was Santana really the best choice in an elimination game? Seems like a gift to the Yankees, a set of very experienced hitters.

    SF October 10, 2005, 9:02 pm
  • Christ. Anderson and Molina. Yankee killers. Did the interminable 1/2 inning ice Moose.
    One more hard hit and Wang gets up. Fast.

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:08 pm
  • Sorry guys, I’ve had computer problems. Anyway, I’m here. Go Halos! Go GA!
    Was Santana the best choice? Who knows. He’s been effective and occasionally awesome during the season, and he’s been noted for his icy poise. Their other options are Byrd or Washburn (I wonder if Wash is really sick, or if Sosh isn’t telling us something) — the bullpen was used pretty heavily.
    The bigger question is: When is Finley EVER the best choice? The guy is cooked. You put in Quinlan at 3B and Figgins in CF. It seems obvious to me. Quinlan may be nothing special but man, Finley, sadly has nothing. Also, as much as I love Erstad (and he has made some key defensive plays this series), he strikes out like a geeky ninth grader (I was one once, so I should know).
    Anyway, I feel better about Santana out there than Colon. I think he’ll settle down, and the Yanks just hit Colon. Especially when he can’t get the ball over 90 MPH.

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 9:11 pm
  • And Finley draws a veteran walk, just to spite Ivan!

    SF October 10, 2005, 9:16 pm
  • In the words of Howard Dean, Aaaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh.

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:17 pm
  • Santana was amazing against the Sox this year, so I know he’s got stuff. I imagine Scoscia’s going to have to mix and match to keep the game tight, just get to the 8th and a rested K-Rod, even if they’re down a run.
    The choices are limited, as Ivan says.

    SF October 10, 2005, 9:18 pm
  • Oh yeah! “A huge break for the Angels” says McCarver. I should think so!

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 9:18 pm
  • Whoops, I meant “up a run”.

    SF October 10, 2005, 9:20 pm
  • Boom go the outfielders

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 9:20 pm
  • I loved Figgins’ double last night, but he’s already struck out twice tonight, this time with a man on 3rd — Mr. Catalyst needs to do a little better.

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 9:22 pm
  • Not getting the breaks tonight. Time for Wang?

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:41 pm
  • Good thing Moose didn’t fly back to the east coast with the rest of his teammates after game 2. I am sure he had a rockin’ time at Knott’s Berry Farm.

    SF October 10, 2005, 9:47 pm
  • How many bloops do the Angels get tonight? Jeez. Talk about lucky. And there big hit is caught if it’s 5 feet to the right or left and there’s no collision.

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:49 pm
  • As an old family expression goes, if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a pushcart.

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 9:51 pm
  • Another cheapie. And thanks to Giambi, not even an out.

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:51 pm
  • Matsui! Channeling Derek.

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:52 pm
  • You ask for a Wang, and you get a Big Unit.

    SF October 10, 2005, 9:55 pm
  • Meanwhile, it’s coming up on 10 and we’re still in the third. (Why don’t they start these things at 7?!)
    Rather see Wang here. Unit better off resting for a possible future series. And it’d be nice to get a few ground balls, after all these bullshit ducksnorts.

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:56 pm
  • Anyone smell 2003 redux? Moose (in ’03, Clemens) gets lit up, and Unit (in ’03, Moose) comes to the rescue, shutting down the opponent while the Yanks make a big comeback…

    SF October 10, 2005, 9:57 pm
  • Okay. 3-run deficit. Over 6 innings, that’s manageable. If A-Rod shows up. And maybe they start cashing in on some of their walks with some extra-base hits. Money time.

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:58 pm
  • This does not seem nearly so bad as 03.

    YF October 10, 2005, 9:59 pm
  • Of course, the result may suck.

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:00 pm
  • While I’m quite happy with the 3 run lead, with the Yankee lineup I’m hardly breathing easy.
    Jeter really left something back in the regular season…not that I’m complaining.

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 10:03 pm
  • I was just pointing out a similar scenario, not saying they are the same. Elimination game, veteran pitcher knocked out early, veteran starter used as stopgap reliever, etc. Of course it’s not the Sox, so it can’t possible measure up, right?

    SF October 10, 2005, 10:05 pm
  • Nope. And it’s just the division series. But we’d take the win.

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:08 pm
  • Unit looks solid. Now that he’s pitching, I am really happy I’m not watching this particular game in HD.
    You’d think with that face his nickname would be Crater.

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 10:10 pm
  • Okay. 2 on. Here comes Sheff. How about an extra-base hit here with men on base?

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:14 pm
  • COME ON!!!

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:16 pm
  • COME ON!!!!!!

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:19 pm
  • COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:21 pm
  • Credit to Santana for going up 0-2 on Sheff, Matsui, and Cano with 2 on and none out. But was Cano out of the line? REPLAY!!!!

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:22 pm
  • Oooh. Interesting call there. Would have preferred Fox not cut away without more visuals, but we’ll see more after the ads.

    SF October 10, 2005, 10:23 pm
  • Replay? Hello? Fox?!?! HELLO!?!?!

    SF October 10, 2005, 10:24 pm
  • What an awful call on Cano.

    SF October 10, 2005, 10:25 pm
  • Horrible call. Please. He was basically on the line.

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:25 pm
  • Meanwhile, where was this Unit in game 3?

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:26 pm
  • I just don’t understand how the ump makes that call.

    SF October 10, 2005, 10:26 pm
  • I don’t either. But I’ll take it.
    Meanwhile, props to Santana, bigtime.

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 10:30 pm
  • Meanwhile, where was this Unit in game 3?
    Not sure if you caught it YF, Joe Buck just called you a “cynic”.

    Earl October 10, 2005, 10:37 pm
  • This is getting ridiculous. That’s 2 blown calls. Come on.

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:39 pm
  • Ha ha! I paid off the umps.

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 10:39 pm
  • First base umpire not having a good night. Either that or he’s got cash on the locals.

    SF October 10, 2005, 10:40 pm
  • I would squeeze here.

    SF October 10, 2005, 10:40 pm
  • It takes luck in the playoffs, and the Angels have it. Their shitty .300 OBP offense hitting 8.000 with risp, getting bloop hits all over the place, getting all the calls. Can’t blame it all on luck though, ya gotta hit to score runs, and the Spanks have forgotten how.
    If this team wins it all, their rings should have leprechauns on them.

    tom yf October 10, 2005, 10:51 pm
  • Jeter. Anyone else out gonna pick it up? (That means you, A-Rod.)

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:53 pm
  • (clapping for Santana)

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 10:55 pm
  • If things go smoothly for Escobar, I think Scioscia has him pitch the 8th (skipping Shields).

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 10:57 pm
  • Tom, if the Angels win and you think they should get leprechauns inscribed on their rings, what goes on the Yankees’ rings?

    SF October 10, 2005, 10:58 pm
  • GIambi! A rally! Now let’s see something Sheff!!!

    YF October 10, 2005, 10:58 pm
  • How many popups can you have with risp in one game?
    The Angel pitcher are good, but not this good. The Yanks should be winning this game. They have as many hits, more walks, fewer ks….

    YF October 10, 2005, 11:05 pm
  • SF, in baseball, you don’t get rings unless you win the world series. You see, the playoffs are set up so there are three series in each league. Right now, the Yankees are in the ALDS. If the Angels were to win this game, they would win three out of the five ALDS games, which is what’s required to advance to what’s called the ALCS, the championship series for the American League. If the Angles were to beat Chicago in this best of 7 series, and go on to beat the NL team that
    was successful on a similar journey, they would have won the World Series, and then get the rings with leprechauns on them.

    tom yf October 10, 2005, 11:06 pm
  • Who would win a “whack-a-mole” contest, Vlad or Sheff?

    SF October 10, 2005, 11:07 pm
  • Whatever. If they win tonight they can immeidately go get the leprechauns tattooed on their asses.

    YF October 10, 2005, 11:08 pm
  • Yes, I understand Tom, but if the Yankees win the Series (what I meant, duh), then what would be inscribed on their rings? Dollar signs? Silver spoons?

    SF October 10, 2005, 11:09 pm
  • Vlad would win, but Sheff would claim that everyone knows…..

    YF October 10, 2005, 11:11 pm
  • One side would be the number 89–the number of walks they drew over the playoffs as a team. The other side would have Joe West and his family in the center of a crosshairs.

    tom yf October 10, 2005, 11:13 pm
  • The other side would have Joe West and his family in the center of a crosshairs.
    LOL

    SF October 10, 2005, 11:15 pm
  • Ivan:
    How many 4 out saves did K-Rod have this year?

    SF October 10, 2005, 11:20 pm
  • DEREK.

    YF October 10, 2005, 11:37 pm
  • Dunno the exact # of four-out saves, but he did it only a couple of times — almost always 9th inning only.

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 11:37 pm
  • A-Rod. For the love of God,

    YF October 10, 2005, 11:38 pm
  • HALOS!! HALOS!! Sorry YF, see ya next year. Great series though. On to Chicago!!!!

    Ivan X (AngelsFan) October 10, 2005, 11:46 pm
  • Wrap up tomorrow. Suffice it to say we are not, like SF, sanguine to see this season end. The Yankees, it says here, are the better team. This result leaves us incredulous. Not that the Angels aren’t deserving. They earned their win with solid pitching and some clutch hits.
    We didn’t want it to end. Not this way.

    YF October 10, 2005, 11:50 pm
  • Would it be wrong to remind readers at this point that, although the postseason “doesn’t affect the voting” for MVP, Ortiz was actually a difference maker for his team in the playoffs (as much as you can make a difference when you get swept), while A-Rod didn’t contribute so much as a single RBI? Two hits in five games, capped off by grounding into a double play in the ninth; he’s probably not a favorite of the YFs out there right now, either…

    JoshSF in Michigan October 10, 2005, 11:56 pm
  • A-Rod is the Bizarro Jeter.

    MJL in L.A. October 10, 2005, 11:58 pm
  • Can’t help when you’re going to slump, I guess. If it weren’t for A-Rod, this team would have gotten what they deserved after last winter: no playoff appearance. Still, the better team lost tonight.

    tom yf October 11, 2005, 12:01 am
  • Heat up the stove!!! Next year….

    Joe October 11, 2005, 2:14 am
  • Who do you think feels the most nauseated this morning…. SF,YF, or FOX!?!. I think this may leave FOX in the red for the year.

    TonyC.25 October 11, 2005, 5:44 am
  • Well JoshSF, in a way, one can argue that by failing to produce a single meaningful hit AND by hitting into a double play in his last chance to make right, A-Rod was a very HUGE difference maker for the Yanks. :) I mean really. There were two guys in the 9th that went to bat and failed to get their job done. Alex’s double player killed a great opportunity. He had a smart base-runner on, a hittable pitcher and two singles that followed. His lack of production made the difference.
    That said, I’d still make that trade for him last year any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
    But for what it’s worth, and not to usurp YF’s position as ultimate Jeter stalker or anything, its post-season innings like last night’s 9th that have always made Jeter ‘even better than he looks on paper’ in my eyes. And I think he looks pretty darn cute on paper, I mean, pretty darn good. Ok, cute too.

    Red - but not Red Sox ;) October 11, 2005, 6:39 am
  • “The better team didn’t win”.
    Ah, YF. The last refuge of a Pittsburgh Steelers fan or…someone who roots for a loser. Weakly done. Surely you can be more intelligent and original than having to resort to that old canard. The “better” team in the series easily could have lost 4 games to 1, and that’s not just bad timing, or cold streaks at the wrong moment, that’s called not being a better team.

    SF October 11, 2005, 7:45 am
  • I don’t agree with that SF. They had the same record over a 162-game season, so obviously they’re fairly closely matched. The Yankees have a better differential between the runs scored and the runs allowed. They lost a short sereis, which they split, and in the fifth game were victimized by some lousy calls and some good luck by the Halos. They played 10 of their last 12 on the road, and were forced to battle for a playoff spot until the second to last game of the season. Which is probably the difference maker, On the day they clinched, the Unit was forced to throw 123 pitches against the BoSox. No surprise he came up short in game 3. So you might say the Sox got their revenge afterall. These are not excuses for the loss. They should have won this series, and the Halos certainly earned their victory fair and square.

    YF October 11, 2005, 9:06 am
  • PS: John YF: The postseason does not count in the MVP voting. That means it does not count. Be pissed at A-Rod all you want, but he’s still the MVP. And I hope you’re not formaning any juries any time soon.

    YF October 11, 2005, 9:07 am
  • Like Alex needs a reason to stare at himself…
    “I didn’t get it done, and I’m going to have to look in the mirror.” — 10.10, Alex Rodriguez

    SF October 11, 2005, 10:48 am
  • What a bad bad way to end. I thought the teams were pretty evenly matched. The offensive advantage the Yanks had over the Halos was balanced by the Angels’ better defense and pitching. But this series was winnable, especially games 2 and 5. The Yanks shut down Figgins and Vlad and still lost.
    I guess it’s a better showing than the Sox’s ending but it’s more painful. The Red Sox, after all, didn’t give their fans any hope. Damn Yankees.

    Nick October 11, 2005, 11:40 am
  • what the Yanks are lacking is HEART. they obviously didn’t want it as bad as the Angels did. What they need to do is:
    Get rid of Bernie (love him to death but it’s time for him to retire).
    Get rid of Johson
    Sign Matsui (for the love of God)
    And the three new pitcher, Wang/Chacon and Small deserve to be in the starting rotation.

    zey-YF October 11, 2005, 12:13 pm
  • The other crazy stat was that the Yanks had something 22 walks during the series, and the Angels had five. And yet…*sigh* So disappointing. That call on Cano by Joe West was utter bullshit, but other than that, it was really the Yanks who couldn’t get out of their own way. (Literally, in the case of the Crosby/Sheff interface.) I’ve been harping for a long time about how Flash is our Armando Benitez, a monster during the regular season, and then a huge crumbler during the crucial late-season or playoff games. But could it be that ARod is the true Armando on our team? 2-15 with 5Ks? 0RBI and only one extra-base hit? That key error in Game 2? And God, that DP grounder in the ninth last night was painful. Well, if there’s anyone who’s psyched about the results of last night, it’s ARod’s psychotherapist who can pretty much count on doubling his hours with his celebrity client. Let’s just hope the Yanks bring Bernie back…

    Spidey October 11, 2005, 12:17 pm
  • one more thing: Love Joe Torre, but it’s time for him to go. Bring Lou Pinella back to the Bronx.

    zey-YF October 11, 2005, 12:17 pm
  • Please, by all means, speaking as a Sox Fan, bring Lou back. What a mistake that would be, and we’d welcome it. And then hire Joe to replace Tito.
    Lou! Lou! Lou!

    SF October 11, 2005, 12:29 pm
  • Let’s not be knee-jerk about this – fire Torre? Why? This team has no bullpen, and its big bats went cold when it mattered. Just like last year, by the way. A-Rod, Matsui and Sheff failed us, as did not being able to rely on anyone but Mariano. Bring in B J Ryan, and move Jaret Wright to the bullpen where his body won’t be under so much strain. Next year’s rotation of Unit, Moose, Wang, Chacon and Pavano sounds good.
    A big bat at DH would be great. There are very few dedicated DHs in the AL outisde Big Papi and Hafner, and the Yanks could use one instead of swapping Jason and Bernie around – Sweeney? Piazza?
    Finally, we need a spark in CF. Someone defensively good, but with a high OBP and some speed – Torii Hunter?

    Sam October 11, 2005, 12:30 pm
  • A-Rod deserves heat, no question, but going back to Game 4 of the ’04 ALCS, his co-horts in the middle of the order — Sheff and Matsui — haven’t exactly lit it up, either.

    MJL in L.A. October 11, 2005, 12:31 pm
  • PS – SF & YF, isn’t it time to start a Hot Stove thread?

    Sam October 11, 2005, 12:32 pm
  • Fire Torre? Uh…Bad Idea Jeans. This wasn’t Joe’s fault. But here’s something to mull over: the Yanks win that last game against the Sox, and they have home-field advantage and play this last Game 5 in the Bronx, not Anaheim. Would it have made a difference? Impossible to say, but it couldn’t have hurt. So I suppose one could question Joe’s decision to start Wright and sort of half-ass it in that last game. (I mean, either rest everyone and start Wright, or get Moose in there and play for keeps.) Sure, it would have mixed up the rotation a bit, but with Wang and Chacon proving to be our best two starters in the series, maybe that wouldn’t have been so bad. Anyway, easy to second-guess. Hot stove, here we come.

    Spidey October 11, 2005, 1:46 pm
  • And as far as CF 2006 goes…Andruw Jones might look real nice in pinstripes. :)

    Spidey October 11, 2005, 1:47 pm
  • How about that. A 100 comment thread. Though this is NOT how I’d hoped we’d reach it!

    YF October 11, 2005, 2:01 pm
  • I don’t want to see Torre go. Now Cashman on the other hand. . .
    Laugh if you want, but I’m still smarting over Lilly leaving to make way for that idiot Weaver. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    Red - but not Red Sox ;) October 11, 2005, 8:57 pm

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