Go Out There And Play Baseball: Tribe-Yanks ALDS Gamer IV

"You don’t have to have a whole lot of experience to understand that
the game hasn’t changed.  That’s what I’ve been talking to the guys about: Go out there and play baseball." – Kenny Lofton

Leading today’s gamer with a quote from current Tribesman and ex-Yankee Kenny Lofton may seem odd at best and a taunt of the mystic at worst, but the simple nugget of truth in Lofton’s message is the most honest thing I have read in the days of speculation, taunting, and prognostication surrounding the Yankee’s current "dilemma".  Four days ago, Lofton produced four RBIs while leading the Indians to a 12-3 thrashing of Chien-Ming Wang and the New York Yankees.  Then Carmona and Pettitte treated fans to a fine pitcher’s duel for the ages, regardless of insect insurgency.  Their backs to the wall, the Yankees went out there and played baseball yesterday, capitalizing on missed pitches and defensive miscues, not letting three early runs stand in the way of their taking adavantage of the opportunities offered to play baseball again tonight.

Chien-Ming Wang is eager for his chance at redemption and picks up the ball for the Bombers on three days rest.  Cleveland sends Paul Byrd, who lost his final two starts of the season while giving up 10 runs and 20 hits over 10.2 innings, his last appearance being September 27th.  The Yankees faced Byrd August 11th and chased him after two innings.

There will be plenty of time to talk about contracts and clutchness, to say fond farewells and good riddances, to argue what ifs and what nexts, whether that conversation starts tomorrow or several weeks hence.  Right now, go out there and play baseball, lads.  Lineups will follow when I find them, comment away.

Pete Abraham recently reported that Ron Villone has been added to the roster in place of Roger Clemens.

1087 comments… add one
  • Here are the lineups:
    YANKEES
    Johnny Damon LF
    Derek Jeter SS
    Bobby Abreu RF
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Jorge Posada C
    Hideki Matsui DH
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Melky Cabrera CF
    Doug Mientkiewicz 1B
    Chien-Ming Wang RHP
    INDIANS
    Grady Sizemore CF
    Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
    Travis Hafner DH
    Victor Martinez 1B
    Jhonny Peralta SS
    Kenny Lofton LF
    Franklin Gutierrez RF
    Casey Blake 3B
    Kelly Shoppach C
    Paul Byrd RHP
    I don’t really understand the Shoppach move, Garko has been on fire. The only thing I can think of is Shoppach is Byrd’s catcher, otherwise it makes no sense. But then again neither does throwing a pitcher that lasted 2 innings last time he faced his opponent, while you have an ace waiting in the wings.
    Go Yanks.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 5:32 pm
  • You don’t really want do-or-die games.
    But you cherish them anyway.
    I for one have always talked about taking the long view. About how the value of a team is best described in how they handled the season and the variances. About how the best team does not always win the short series and that not winning 3 of a particular 5 games is not reason enough to blow up a team.
    Yet here we are. Needing two wins in two games against Cleveland, who decided to help us out by pitching Byrd instead of C.C. Although it is true that C.C. starts the *probable* Game 5 with Carmona providing relief, Cleveland could have attempted the killing stroke here instead of playing the conventional.
    So here we are. I view the Yankees as a good team and a great plan. We have youth to invigorate us and veterans to sustain us. And thats a mixture that creates success for the foreseable future. Thats the long view. Its worth mentioning, but not really satisfying.
    What would be satisfying is an easy comfortable victory at the Stadium and hoping it travels to Cleveland and stands guard against Sabathia. And the Holy War that is Yankees-Red Sox. The standards of satisfaction versus sanity will then change.
    I try to think of the long view, because it is the sane, logical thing to do and it acts as a bulwark against me going crazy. Because I know that if the Yankees *gulp* lose today, the weeks of misery that follow will be horrible. We will dissect this loss along with the other losses, but end up with no real explanation besides “we lost. they won.”
    And thats never satisfying and never enough, no matter how often you try to rationalize.

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 5:35 pm
  • This may have already been beaten to death once Wang was announced to be the starter, so my apologies if this is old news. But I’ve always wondered, and this is as good a time to bring it up as any, what really is the deal with sinkerballers on short rest?
    Whenever someone like Wang or Lowe is pressed into duty in a postseason situation after short rest, invariably the speculation (or outright declaration) that he’ll benefit from it begins. This begs (screams for, really) at least two follow-up questions, which I’ve yet to see:
    1. Do the results actually show this? I’m sure a study has been done on this, as it’s a pretty easy thing to actually see what they did and on how much rest. But how exhaustive (sorry, pun) was the study? Since regular rotations mean the guys usually pitch on “regular” rest, the times they get more or less are going to be few and far between, right?
    2. If it’s so beneficial (and not just hopeful casting about for a rationale), then why would teams ever wait around until this sort of situation to ‘take advantage’ of the short rest? Why not make the guy tired all the time? At first this sounds like a variation on the old “why don’t they make planes out of the black box material?” illogic, but I’m a little more serious. If, that is IF, we are to take this well-traveled assumption at face value, why not try to use it, instead of having it just come to us? And yet, they (the analysts) just leave it alone, and leave me to hope it’s true (Lowe) or not true (Wang), and also wondering if they’re just making yet another thing up off the top of their heads.
    Given that it’s come up again in the playoffs, has there been any further research/discussion on the topic?

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 5:41 pm
  • Carlos that sounds exactly like the gamer I put together for tonight. Unfortunately a certain someone, not naming names, beat me to the punch and provided a gamer. (Just busting your chops AG!) To follow up on your comment, we have lost how many different series since 2000 in every way possible. A duck snort through the middle in 2001, shut down by a team of youngsters in 2003, choked on a 3 game lead in 2004, Bubba and Gary colliding in 2005 and so on. Regardless of how we lose, it always feels sh*tty. The bottom line is this year is last year’s next year, let’s win NOW.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 5:42 pm
  • FSP, I’ve wondered that, too. Julian Tavarez has said that he feels he pitches better on short rest — when he’s a little more tired. Which might explain why he did so well (relatively speaking) as a starter.

    Paul SF October 8, 2007, 5:46 pm
  • FSP, the only way I could imagine that the short rest makes them perform better is that they are more focused. Generally when a pitcher’s arm is tired their pitches will be up, sinker ballers can’t be up, they have to live down. So in theory a tired arm or a less rejuvanted arm (3 days rest vs. 5) should lead to more hittable pitches. I think what happens is they understand they won’t be as strong and need to pay closer attention to the mechanics and details of pitching. Again that’s just my thoughts.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 5:47 pm
  • Trisk –
    The rationale makes “sense”, in a roundabout sort of way; I have no problems with the theory, as it were. But I’ve heard it so often, without those two begging questions being dealt with, that I’ve begun to wonder if it isn’t just one of those instances of intuition being wrong. Again, if it benefits the pitcher to be tired, then why not make him tired all the time? ‘Cause I remember lots of Derek Lowe starts before which he must have slept like a baby.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 5:55 pm
  • Sinkerballers on short rest make a lot of sense and the reason why they don’t always do it also makes alot of sense.
    First off, although a sinker is not a changeup, it is a finesse type pitch. Its a pitch that requires a feel of the ball and a sense of touch. Even when Wang is throwing it in the 90s and thus its hard to think of strong arm = bad pitch, pitching on short rest probably helps keep him away from overthrowing the sinker. An overthrown sinker won’t stay down. It will flatten out, it won’t break as far down, it’ll be harder to pinpoit. Its the same reason why sinkerballer get better as the game goes on. The arm gets tired, the pitch becomes a bit slower, and it really starts to sink down into the zone. The slower a pitch, the more time it has to rotate, the bigger the break.
    The reason why they don’t always pitch on short rest has to do with innings, doesn’t it? 200 innings is alot and thats what a healthy 4-day rest starter gets. What if you throw in a couple of three-day rest in there. He’ll get more turns in the rotations and break down faster. I think its a compromise.
    Just my thoughts on the matter.

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 6:03 pm
  • Hey John, I just realize we contradicted each other. I won’t argue cause I’m not an expert, but isn’t it the rotation of the ball that determines its sink, and thus not related to arm strength?

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • John – stealing the threads right off your back. Watch out for yer shirt. ;)

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • You made me laugh out loud with the slept like a baby comment.
    They do try to have them pitch somewhat tired, that’s why there is usually a throw day in between their starts. I don’t think there is a true answer or that it’s a given it will work. Remember Joe passed up the opportunity to do this last season Vs. Detroit. He could have brought Wang back on short rest and didn’t.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 6:05 pm
  • The Yankees replaced Clemens with Ron Villone. Ugh.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 6:07 pm
  • I thought all pitchers have a throw day between starts. Do sinkerballers just get to throw more?

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • Not trying to predict anything or hint at anything but….
    October 8th, 1956: Perfection
    On this date Don Larsen pitched a perfect game in the World Series.
    Its completely explainable, but isn’t it ridiculous that we are 4 games into the postseason, with a month left before we know who the World Series champ will be, yet 51 years ago, we were already 5 games into the World Series?

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 6:16 pm
  • FSP: Right, all pitchers have throw days, not just sinkerballers. I am trying to type with my 2 year old throwing his ball and glove at me. By “Them” I meant all pitchers, sorry FSP.
    Carlos you are right the sinker really is a feel pitch rather then a grit your teeth reach back and fire pitch. I still think regardless of the pitch it comes back to focus. Knowing that you don’t have your best stuff forces you to stay focused and pay attention to your mechanics. Arm strength is always related somehow. Remember it’s really arm speed (see Billy Wagner/Scott Kazmir)that determines how hard you throw and arm strength determines how long you can throw hard.
    I don’t think we are far off Carlos.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 6:20 pm
  • Carlos –
    What you say makes complete sense, and it’s exactly the sort of thing I wish analysts would think about. Otherwise, when I hear someone make that connection, it just ends up sounding like some curious factoid or a sort of “Hey Didja Know?” moment, as opposed to serious analysis. Which is really what my quarrel was with in the first place.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 6:26 pm
  • Of course, back then we had 8 teams in each league, and 154 (instead of 162) regular-season games.

    Ron Newman October 8, 2007, 6:26 pm
  • Just to cancel out the “anniversary of Don Larson’s Perfect Game” mojo…
    …Wang is pitching a no-hitter! *waggles fingers at TV screen*
    Okay. We may all return to intelligent discussion now.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 6:28 pm
  • Ron,
    Its more than a little amazing to me to think of the differences. I have a little Kurkijan in me; sacrifice flies amaze me too.
    I was flipping channels and caught a few minutes of “61*.” Through serendipity, the same thing was discussed. The scene was of reported talking to Mantle and Maris about the differences between Ruth’s time and their own. Maris, much like real life, was a bit surly about people bothering him about such a thing. He mentioned having to travel to the west coast, specialist pitchers, ball parks being bigger, and son. Hearing him speak, I realized the gulf between 1961 and 1927….and then realize how much bigger of a gulf lies between 1961 and 2007.
    Its amazing to me that with all the changes in baseball, and they are legion, its still a game oldtimers (and by oldtimers i mean fans of 1927 magically transported :)) would recognize immediately. And even more amazing is the fact that even with all the changes, we have crafted the tools to compare players from all over.

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 6:34 pm
  • Sorry Atheose. On October 8, 1980 Nick Cannon was born. As we all know Nick Cannon hosts the TV show Wild ‘N Out which just so happens to be CMW’s favorite show. Re-Mojoed! Nice try!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 6:56 pm
  • While I thought it’d make me happy, this whole Clemens travesty actually makes me feel sorry for the mercenary

    Ed October 8, 2007, 6:57 pm
  • mojo shmojo… here’s to Byrd flying high

    Ed October 8, 2007, 6:58 pm
  • The Indians decisions here seem odd. Byrd? REALLY? Sure Sabathia three 100+ pitches, but *I* would brign him back on short rest.. assumign that a different ump = bigger zone. Then SHOULD it be nessecary I brign Carmona back on short rest as well.
    This is Win Or Go Home time. I just dont get it. The Yankees, wisely, are sendign out Wang on short rest and will, I imagine, use Pettite on short rest tommorrow.
    I hope the Indians pull it off, but I think they don’t. Veyr bad decisions.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 6:58 pm
  • Wedge is showing faith in his team that got him there, good for the team’s morale, maybe not so good for results. The decision to sit Garko is also a little odd if you ask me, the kid is hitting well right now. Anyway, the Yankees need to score runs regardless of who pitches or plays 1B.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:04 pm
  • Dionysus… a couple of corrections, if you look at the Indians history of using their aces on short rest (See Bartolo Colon), you might understand their fear of using Colon after throwing 110+ high stress pitches… I would try C.C. even with the dangers entailed because the upside is there, and if he gets shelled, then Carmona is waiting in the wings… bottom line, The Indians think they’re going to win one of these next two and are looking ahead, unwisely, to the ALCS rotation

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:05 pm
  • Supposedly VMart can’t catch 4 games in row. I read that somewhere earlier today.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:05 pm
  • Really off-topic, but upon reflecting that the only Yankee reliever not to allow any earned runs this postseason so far is Rivera, I decided to look closely at his stats this year.
    True, his ERA was the highest it’s been as a reliever, and his WHIP his highest since 1997, but those are not very telling when it comes to evaluating relievers. One or two stupid blowouts or lucky hits or would-be foul balls that instead skim the line for a triple will skew your stats for the rest of the season. Instead, look at the cumulative stats: he had 74 strikeouts in 71.1 innings, which translates into his highest K/IP ratio (9.33) since his miraculous ’96 season. Not that K/IP really means that much for Mo, his has always fluctuated around (and more than not under) that 9 K/IP mark. The strikeout is not his signature.
    His walk totals were superb. 12 in 71.3 IP is right around where he always is. Homeruns, at 4, were a little on the bad side, but honestly, it’s one homerun worse than last year.
    It’s the hits, really, that inflated his rate stats. 68 hits in 71.3 innings pitched is by far his worst as a reliever, and that’s what screwed him this year.
    So while Rivera’s stuff and control remain the same as ever, could it be his command has gone off? Or is his stuff becoming more hittable? Is this a big step in the inevitable decline of old age? Looking at the stats, it’s hard to really make that argument with a straight face. 8 hits, really, are the difference between no-doubt-about-it-still-Rivera, and uh-oh-there-he-goes?
    There is no doubt in my mind that Mariano Rivera remains in the upper echelon of major league relievers. Was he as good as Papelbon, JJ Putz or Joe Nathan this year? No, but then he wasn’t as good as Eric Gagne or Brad Lidge in their heyday, and where are they now?
    There should be no question that Mariano Rivera will be effective as ever next year. His stuff hasn’t gone anywhere (he can still dial it up to 96mph), and his health this year was better than his health last year, which is to say, it was impeccable.
    Rivera is the best closer in the history of baseball. He may give up 8 or 10 more hits than he used to, but he’s miles better than most of the retreads out there. Resign him immediately after the season, for as long as he wants. As long as you’ve got Rivera in your bullpen, it’s automatically at least average.
    End rant.

    AndrewYF October 8, 2007, 7:09 pm
  • By the way Dionysus, they don’t play tomorrow. Game 5 is on Wednesday, so Carmona and Pettitte would be pitching on normal rest.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:17 pm
  • This TBS pregame show is horrible. They have Ron Darling on the set tonight and he looks like he got stuck in a toaster/roaster a little to long.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • Yankees need to hit, bottom line. Doesn’t matter if Marlon Byrd was pitching. Hit early, hit often.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:26 pm
  • By the way, I really like Frank Thomas. This is the first time I’ve ever seen him in a non-crushing-homeruns mode, and I have to say he seems like a real class act. He’s not the best announcer, but he’s humble, clear and concise.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:28 pm
  • I want Frank Thomas to stick around too, so I’ve given him the in-studio nickname: The Big Shirt. Hopefully it will bring him good luck.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 7:30 pm
  • Anyone know a bar near Bay Ridge? Struck here without a TV, and the thought of only Sterling at a times like this ..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:30 pm
  • Byrd doesn’t make it three, that’s my prediction. If the Yankees can’t destroy a sack like PB in their own yard they deserve to lose.
    Tie series. Bank it.

    SF October 8, 2007, 7:32 pm
  • I want Frank Thomas to stick around too, so I’ve given him the in-studio nickname: The Big Shirt. Hopefully it will bring him good luck.
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thanks FSP. I needed a good laugh.
    Go Indians.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:32 pm
  • SF – I agree, though I’m not banking anything yet..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:33 pm
  • Prediction: Byrd goes 5 giving up 4 runs on shortleash, Indians win 5-4 after bullpen comes in, surviving a JB bases loaded experience

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:34 pm
  • In the words of Jim Carey, oops I mean Skip Caray, “Paul Byrd is not chopped liver.” Paul Byrd will battle and it takes a real team effort to beat a gamer like Paul Byrd.
    Nice try SF!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:35 pm
  • A-Rod: 1-4 1 single

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:35 pm
  • Is Mussina the standby long relief guy?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:37 pm
  • no jinx intended. I have no respect for Paul Byrd and tremendous respect for the Yanks. The Indians might win, but that result would surprise me.

    SF October 8, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • Underway…

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • Sizemore with a leadoff jack.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • Sizemore with a leadoff homer.
    WOW….

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • Well that’s not a good way to start. I doubt that’s how it was written up.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • You have got to be fucking kidding me.

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • Huh. Still, Cleveland jumped out yesterday…

    Devine October 8, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • awesome

    Brad October 8, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Cabrera grounds out to Minky.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Ok good – groundball – that’s what we were expecting; lets just hope the kinks were all worked out with that pitch.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Wang’s definitely overthrowing… gotta keep that ball down wangie

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • well, in solace, the Yankees are facing Paul Byrd. ha.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Holy shit! I walked away to get a Sam Adams and I come back 15 seconds later and the Indians are up 1-0.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Off to a great start!
    I know SF, I was just busting your chops.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • Well, good job, Sizemore.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • That’s your last Sam Adams Atheose!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • I agree, he’s throwing way out of that sinker’s range.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • Hah, Hafner tries to convince the ump that he got hit. Nice acting job.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • Hafner takes one to left. Beats the shift.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • Do you think his speed (95-96) is a sign of his stress or desire to “make up” for the last game?
    So he’s overthrowing to make-up (when instead he should be doing the opposite).

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • keep… ball… down

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • exactly Rob

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • Does Wang’s pitches look flat to anyone else?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • Hafner beats the pseudo shift. ARod was aligned at sshort.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • Trisk, that’s the first Sam Adams of many if the game continues like this! ;-)

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • He just needs to pitch and stop throwing. I have to say, he doesn’t look sharp at all.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:44 pm
  • Think Wang can be talked into calming down?
    I’ve always wondered how much the pitching coach can really do in talking someone into doing the right mechanics – I’ve always thought with pitchers you tend to be on or off.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:44 pm
  • i dunno trisk, this at bat with martinez is looking a lot better…

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • Wang is leaving WAY too many pitches up. He needs to settle down if he’s going to last more than Rocket did last night.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • VMart grounds to Wang, Hafner to second.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • Right and that’s because he isn’t trying to throw it through a wall. Just pitch Wanger, stop throwing.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • The critical 2-out hits – gotta ensure Cleveland can’t keep those up.
    How much of a pitch count do we think Wang gets tonight since he’s on short rest? I’m just wondering in terms of bullpen since I figure Joba is out.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • Joba can pitch they said.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • I’ve always thought with pitchers you tend to be on or off.
    That’s true for a lot of pitchers, Rob, but the best ones are able to make small adjustments on the mound. Most experts will tell you that’s the most important part of pitching–making adjustments.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • Posada with a super speedy sign to Wang. Hard to imagine that players can somehow steal them.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:48 pm
  • Wang usually starts out this way anyhow. If he can settle down, that would be good. We have to hit against Byrd anyhow..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:48 pm
  • Rob – they can hit 95 mph fastballs, I think they can read super speedy signs.. =P

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:48 pm
  • I wonder what’s going through Mussina’s mind right now. Or Joe Torre’s for that matter…

    Brad October 8, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Ok – remember when I said “gotta stop those 2-out hits”; DO IT!

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Peralta with a blooping single that scores Hafner.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Bloop single to center field, 2-0 Indians. More 2-out runs for the Indians.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Wonderful.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Now a quail to make it 2-0. Blech.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • Well, here’s Jhonny.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • i’ll say this, the Indians are fighters

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • This game is far from over…
    Let’s remember the other pitcher.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • Lar, obviously I cannot hit a 95 mph fastball. I got dizzy trying to follow Posada’s signs.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • Here’s the rampaging Lofton.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • wang should be cut off at 80, regardless

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • Rob SF, more often then not you are looking to steal location more so then pitch. But if a runner is on 2nd for more then one batter is fairly easy to steal the pitches also.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Skeletor is cheering in the stands.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • The sight of Rudy doesn’t help me.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Oh no, Rudy is in the crowd. They are pulling all of the old ghosts out.
    Lofton grounds out to Wang.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Rudy Skeletor puts the hex on Lofton who grounds back to Wanger.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • Rudy was there last night too.
    I hope Frank Caliendo’s show gets cancelled after 1 show.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • NOOOOOOOOO not another Frank TV commercial! (sorry gotta get that out of my system rather than whining about it the rest of the game)
    Well Wang ends with a good sinker, but he seems to be hit-or-miss with them. Some are down, some are up – and that’s not a good sign. I’ll be curious to see how he comes out in the 2nd

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • This was not the ideal start to the game. Every Injun becomes Derek Jeter with 2 outs, RISP.

    AndrewYF October 8, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • I agree Trisk, more than likely the majority of the signs had nothing to do with the pitch selection, but more a diversionary move to throw the runner on second off from stealing the sign.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • But ask Brad he will tell you, stealing signs is bush. Location not so bush.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • at this rate Byrd may give the indians a chance

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • Out for a bit. Daddy duty. Go Yankees!

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • OK I call for a Damon homer to start off the game – who’s with me?

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • Posada will say use my 3rd sign OR first sign after the fastball, etc…
    Come on JD!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • In a stunning turn of events, Paul Byrd threw a strike.

    Devine October 8, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • “He’ll invent stuff out on the mound if necessary.”
    >>Here comes the turbo-screwball.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • Ok I call for Jeter to ground out (let’s see how that one goes)

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • Jeter lines to right to single.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • Captain singles with one out.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • Bardol, Vagisil, I’ll even rub a little jalepeno in my nose get my nose running…You rub snot on the ball? Kid when you’re my age you’ll do whatever it takes to win.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • C’mon Abreu, rally!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • man Byrd has absolutely no power… this will be a long night

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Where’s the squirrel?

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Good eyes – I want Abreu to take a lot of pitches – Arod said that tended to help make him better at his at bat

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Byrd equals disaster… here we go

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • “I don’t really understand the Shoppach move, Garko has been on fire. The only thing I can think of is Shoppach is Byrd’s catcher, otherwise it makes no sense.”
    Guess I got my answer,thanks Bob.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Abreu singles.
    You don’t need a HR from ARod, but c’mon, give us ANYTHING, and we’ll erupt!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Byrd doing his best job to screw up the 2 run lead he has.
    This has the makings of a slugfest.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Okay ARod, time for a double play!

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • double play, here we go

    Ed October 8, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Great – I’m happy he’s getting the MVP chants – he tends to need the support to get going.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • I see a very fat meatball getting served here.
    Sauce optional.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Good call Rob, he got and fouled it off.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • I don’t know how ARod strikes out against Byrd. It makes no sense.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • STRIKE OUT BY PAUL FREAKIN BIRD

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • Got A-Rod swingin’

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • At least it wasn’t a double play. here’s Posada.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • Is this another game where we have to depend on the people (7-8-9 hitters) we’ll see in the next inning? I’m fine with that – just let me know so I don’t get my hopes up.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Would’ve been high. Ah well.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • In an RISP situation, Posada scares me more than A-Rod because of a higher BA. A single is, after all, all you need to score the run.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • 1st pitch low and inside, a changeup…you don’t want to live there Byrd.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Something tells me this is going to be a very long game, no matter the outcome.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • Chokey McChokester K’s. Giggle.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • this has 4 hours written all over it, couldn’t agree more

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • stealing signs is like sleeping with a married woman. It’s not illegal for the guy, but it’s the most bush thing you could do in baseball.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • I agree, FSP.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • Posada swings through the old 96er.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • Starting to rain here in NJ, about 20 minutes from stadium.
    So much for Jim Carey’s call of no rain in the forecast.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • or life…

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Well, I hope they win, I don’t mind the long game..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Gorgeous change-up from Byrd, Posada swinging for New Jersey. 2-2 count.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Nice ccatch, Kenny!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Lofton’s wheels!

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Lofton couldn’t hurt the Yanks with his bat last inning, so he steals people’s heart with his glove. I thought that ball may ddrop for minute there.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Ed – you guys whining about 4 hours? Just wait if it ends up being a Sox-Yankees series.
    Heck we make regular games push 4 hours.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • Posada dumps one to left field but Lofton barely gets there. Ah well.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • Byrd got three outs!!! *opens champagne*

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • Rob SF – I like many others were trying to will the ball down lol.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • Pitch counts through 1:
    Wang 24
    Byrd 16

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • Byrd survives one inning, two more and he bests his regular season start against the yankees

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • Seemed like Byrd threw more pitches.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • Byrd at 17 pitches, Wang at 24 pitches after 1.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • Wow, Guidry is really carving into Wang. I’ve never seen him this fierce/angry.
    Let’s see how Wang does.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:06 pm
  • Sorry, 16, Rob SF’s right.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:06 pm
  • Leadoff single to start the 2nd.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • I hear yah, soxs-yanks series… no sleep no how

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Gutierrez with a hit. Another leadoff hit from the Indians.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Still up – that hit was on a ball that was mid-level.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Either Guidry told Wang to give up base hits, or he’s just not listening to him. Gutierrez singles.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • So at this point you really ask – when does Moose come in?
    Wang isn’t looking crisp – how much longer can we risk him leaving another ball up?

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • Come-on DP – need to change the tempo of this game.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • stupid leadoff line… worst idea since the glowing red puck for nhl games

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • Blake singles past short.
    1st and 2nd, no outs.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • Wang’s steering wheel must be broken tonight.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Blake pulls one to the left side. 2 on no outs.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • boos are coming out… sac bunt here

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • sorry… it’s the moose call

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Man what to make of this – Wang has just lost it this post-season.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Moose is up in the bullpen. I can’t imagine it be that much better..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Mussina warming up.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Oh shit son! Fight!

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • WHOA
    That was NUTS.
    Where’s the replay?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • “One of thses maangers is going to be upset”
    Gee, thanks for some serious insight Tony.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • HBP is the call.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Wow, the replay shows that it hit the bat! Even though the announcer says it hit his hand.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Rob SF – Don’t you just hate the TV announcers – look at the bright side, at least it ain’t the Fox crew. They regularly want me to throw a brick at my TV.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • replay is pretty inconclusive if you ask me

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Finally a good replay. Yep, definatly a HBP.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Now bases loaded, no outs. Still looks like a foul by if you ask me..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Man do you wonder what the game would be like if Moose had started?

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • moooooooooooooooose calls

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Get it in the air, Grady

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Indians radio announcers are saying it definitely hit the bat

    rootbeerfloat October 8, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Holy shit, Wang out after 1+ inning! Amazing!

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Moose coming in.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Wow. Wang is coming out. I say take him out, but not right now, when he’s the best double play guy on the Yanks. Well, here comes Moose..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Wang out. I NEVER ever expected this. EVER

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • well I have a 52″ HD TV and the Yankees definitely got the short end that time..
    At least Wang has that whole “more games in two years thing” going for him..
    Moose should have been the choice to begin with.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • that’s a quick hook there… rushed him back I guess

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • Good god – I have memories of 03 (please don’t let the reliever give up a hr)

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Well he was getting his ground balls tonight but they were finding those holes.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Brad, I agree completely. Moose pitched an amazing September.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • they were right to try wang on short rest, moose can be a liability, who would have thought two bad start my wang in a row?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Why is this thread full of SF’s? Was there this many YF in the Sox threads?

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • Good god – I have memories of 03
    In the seventh game of the ALCS Moose came in and saved the Yankees, rescuing Roger Clemens. Is this what you are remembering?

    SF October 8, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • there’s so many SFs because the sox clinched the ALCS yesterday and I love baseball… not trying to knock the yanks, I promise

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • Sorry Lar but all us Sox fans have a stake in this game tonight

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Moose gets the DP.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Moose gets the big DP. Hard to argue with the result of that one.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Huge DP for the Yanks there. HUGE.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • best case scenario for you guys

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • How great would it be for Moose if he pitched a Gem from here on out? Sweet redemption.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Best one run we’ve ever given up – the dp changes the tone.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Man, this has to be a historic level of suckitude. When has a 19-game winner ever not gotten out of the 3rd inning in his first two postseason starts?

    AndrewYF October 8, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • more moose calls

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • Byrd hasn’t won this game yet..
    But Moose still needs to get this guy out.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • moose not looking especially sharp either, but certainly an improvement from wang

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Who plays Aaron Boone this time around? Without Moose in the Game #7 the Yankees don’t win. If I remember correctly he gave up a run, but kept it limited.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Lar – I just like baseball. If I weren’t listening to this game, I’d have to go to the Little League park and see if there’s a fall ball game.

    rootbeerfloat October 8, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Another 2 out hit. Jees.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • These guys are sick with these two out hits.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • did I just hear applause in the announcer’s booth? wtf

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • Nothing we can do on that blooper – reached out to hit it.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • This game is frustrating enough without the SF’s helping.. that’s all.. =P

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • 4-0.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • Yes you did Ed.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • I thought I hated Joe Morgan and Tim McCarver…these guys are unreal, I can’t take much more.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • what was that all about with the applause? That’s Joe Morgan like subjectivity

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • Moose isn’t much better. I still like Wang..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • these announcers are indeed crap Trisk

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • SF’s there is a killer episode of How I Met Your Mother on CBS, you guys should give it a look… JK.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • Really Lar?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • I’m feeling my dinner slowly move it’s way up the throat….

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • TBS annoucners have been all crap.. cept for the Rockies-Phillies series with Orsillo.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • oh come on Trisk, game is far from done

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • The Juggs gun operator can go get a hot dog and beer with Moose and Byrd pitching.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Well its not going to get much better in the ALCS when it moves to Fox. Oh how I loathe McCarver and Buck. Hopefully Buck is doing football instead.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Yanks get out of the inning.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Inning over.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Moose gets out of it, now the Yanks down 4-0. Moose with 16 pitches.
    Up next, Matsui, Cano, Melky.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • I still give advantage to the Yanks in this game. Indians need to score more runs before I feel comfortable about their chances.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • Dane Cook needs to die, I thought these things were going to end after the first round.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • any umps out there? trisk? what’s rule on the shoppach call, exactly: if the ball hits thumb and bat as he’s retracting, is it strike or hbp? strike, right?

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • Kevin SF – Sadly Joe Buck will continue to make everyone wish they could get away with murder.
    I remember when I watched the ALCS with the Sox-Yankees and all of us (mixed fan base watching) wanted to mute the TV. Universally hated the Fox crew.
    We tried to rig up a radio in our lounge so we could at least listen to a broadcast – but got stuck with Fox.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Can I be excused for wanting to kill Dane Cook? I can’t stand him or Frank TV.
    Matsui’s been slumping, but let’s go..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Guess Wang isn’t the savior. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Make sense that we’ll need to slug our way back to Cleveland.

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Some how McCarver and Buck find away to be biased against both teams at the same time, I just don’t get how they do it.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Wow, catcher’s interference. Yankees not catching any breaks tonight.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • The swing takes precedent over everything else. So is Shoppach swung and got hit then it’s a foul ball.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • The catcher got away with one there..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Sweet – 2 calls against the Yanks. Bugs – Check; Bad calls – Check; Totally crappy announcing crew – Check

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • Just got back from an errand – were people really clapping in the press box? All I have is GameDay right now; is there more context to that? If it was the announcers applauding, that would be a fire-able offense if I were in charge.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • some weird ass stuff going on right now

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • This game.. is interesting.
    Lots of work for the Umps.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • it really did sound like clapping, no joke

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • To be fair, on that one, the ump didn’t have to call the time out..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Uh oh.. Matsui works the count to 3-2. I have a bad feeling..

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Matsui gets the walk anyhow.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • It was the press box FSP, not the announcers. Still not right.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Leadoff walk. FRAK!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • I missed who said that, but that’s just too much.
    Byrd gets the strike called at the knees. Grrrrr

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • It was the press box FSP, not the announcers. Still not right.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • Is Byrd losing it? I surely hope so.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Please announcers keep saying he doesn’t walk people (seems to be working to our advantage)

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Byrd has lost the zone.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Sorry for doubler.
    Come on Robbie please!!!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • did the announcers really just compare Paul Byrd to Smoltz?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Cano singles. Again we have two men on. Now we have to start the chipping, one at a time.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Would CC be available in relief tonight or is he definitely getting the start for game 5? They could just pitch Carmona for game 5.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • I predict the Yankees tying the score in this innign, at least.
    Shit, shit shit.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • time to call the bullpen wedge

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • I know Byrd hasn’t given up any runs yet, but I think it would be wise to have Sabathia warming up, secretly, in an underground bullpen.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Kevin – seems wedge is pretty set on CC for Game 5 (I think he’s wearing a jacket in the dugout)

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Kevin – I can see that, but that’s really panic mode..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • You cant mess with this lineup Byrd. They have good eyes.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Fantastic!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Melky helps Byrd out there with the pop up.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Melky with the infield fly..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Come on ball stealer!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • C’mon guys! These Indians need to get a little confidence knocked out of them. We are the big bad guys, remember?
    Seriously, stop praising byrd! His shit is hittable, he’s not impressing me with his pitching, we just haven’t gotten to him.

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Minky – time to channel Boone (HR)

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • noone’s praising byrd’s stuff, I promise carlos

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • I wont praise Byrd, carlos.. the announcers are wrong. He looks like crap. The Yankees are gonna pound him.
    Ugh ugh ugh

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • Byrd is not himself tonight it seems, those walks are the evidence.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • here come the rain…

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • Maybe the Byrd will get bothered by the rain and lose it.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • I told you it was going to rain…It was POURING here.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • And here comes the rain.
    I say if there is a long rain delay… you warm up CC Sabathia during the delay.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • I would kill for a Dougle Play right about now.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Alphabets battlign here.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • Can games be called early because of rain or do you have to play all nine?

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • Wow, I was JUST outside a couple minutes ago, is it really coming down that hard?

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • playoff games that is

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • I can’t remember a playoff game being called early.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Doug maybe getting a break with that one.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Payback call there on Minky.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • strike three robbed

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Radar shows ONE cell of rain in the entire Metro NYC area, and it’s over the South Bronx.

    SF October 8, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Damon HR

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • It was pouring here FSP. My wife went food shopping so in between innings I had to bring in the groceries in the rain. It’s not a drizzle.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Yankees get the call this time. I suspect it’ll be a doozy. Byrd has no command.
    See? Walked him.
    Stupid, stupid.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Bad call right there, but I suppose its justice.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Bases loaded with Damon up.
    Wow, 2 walks against Byrd. When’s the last time that happened?

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • I meant the announcers, not on here. We have sense.
    bases loaded, the man for the moment. His GS in 2004 destroyed my world. The Clang of it hitting the foul pole was deafening.

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Bad call right there, but I suppose its justice.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Come on Captain…

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Damon retired. Fielders trying their best at being Keystone Kops.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Wow, I was hoping they drop that. It was close from dropping it too..
    Here’s Captain Clutch.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • HUGE popup. Still have to get Jeter though. Byrd is crap. Warm CC.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • loved the damon red sox highlight, caveman seems so long ago

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Being down against Byrd is like being down runs in dog years. Four is more like .8 runs for a team like the Yankees.

    SF October 8, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Captain – time to redeem yourself.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Captain – time to redeem yourself
    No shit, Tek has been AWFUL for like 10 wee– er, sorry, wrong team.

    SF October 8, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Maybe a rain delay would be good right now. An excuse for Byrd to be pulled without, you know, having to pull him.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Diving play saved a double and maybe a run or two, but at least a run comes in.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Damon out.
    I love how Jeter just hacks. I mean, he should take and be patient, but his aggressiveness is not reckless. He just has no fear.
    Come on, we need something!
    Infield hit! Thats how things get started!

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Jeter knocks one in. Blake stops the ball, could have been out of the inning.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Hey guys that awesome Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore movie is on HBO you guys should go watch for awhile. ;)

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • error?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • some of that playoff magic Damon was talking about bringing to the Yankees..

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Not sure if I want Abreu up here – I know he’s good I just tend to see him more of the table-setting type

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • OH how was that an infield hit? He clearly screwed that up. Sorry Jeter-hater in me acting up.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • John – =)

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • in comes laffey.. what a meatball for abreu

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • It’s an infield hit because you can’t expect someone to make a diving play? =P

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • What are they cheering? is that Abreu? it’s hard to tell. Sounds like there’s an extra syllable in there.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Byrd sucks. He SUCKS. WHy woudl you EVER use him in October?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • If Bobby gets on base, it’ll be another chance for ARod to redeem himself..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Byrd looks so freaking hittable… I don’t know how they aren’t pounding him into the ground.
    Ideally, a rain delay would allow Wedge to bring CC in as a surprise to shut it down. How cool would that be of him to try.. Go with Carmona if it doesn’t work. I would totally do that.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • If anyone is interested, Tony Romo just had a pick returned for a TD. Bills on the board first.

    SF October 8, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Mike Lowell would have made that out. And Grand Slam because of that foul ball.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Wow, that was close.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Ok can we get the fact he’s coming in and tight on us? It’s like we’re surprised we’re constantly knuckling it.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • that’s twice the Yankee scorekeeper has give DJ a hit on an error. Being home has it’s advantages..

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • Byrd dodges a disaster there.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • Whew. Considering how BIG a mess that was, 1-run is a gift.
    WARM
    SABATHIA
    NOW

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • This is shaping up as a VERY long game.
    If it turns into a slug-match, my money would be on New York.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • Another opportunity wasted. Abreu got to do more than that..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • SF I need Witten, Lee Evans and Dallas D to score 20 pts. Keep me posted!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • Thanks SF

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • That happens at all parks, Brad.. but Im not sure it was an error.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • // that’s twice the Yankee scorekeeper has give DJ a hit on an error. Being home has it’s advantages. //
    Yep. I’m having an easier time understanding his Gold Glove awards.

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • Wow. So if a 4-run lead for Byrd is more like 0.8 runs up playing the Yankees, does that mean giving up only one run is like yielding 0.2 runs? I think my ERA calculator just exploded.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Abreu got a good pitch to hit. Surprised he could only pop up to shallow center. Oh well I guess we hope to hold them and then hit some more.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Frank TV does a STRONG Bush…

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • SF –
    I need my Bills to lose, to keep draft-pick pace with all the other terrible teams out there. It’s going to be a long downhill battle, but I think we can do it.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Byrd with 47 pitches after 2 innings. Unforunately, only 1 run. Keep him in! But the Yanks got to break through..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Best case scenario right now: tonight gets washed out, the Commish says the game will be resumed tomorrow, and CC comes in to finish the game with a 3 run lead.
    Worst case: the rain holds off, and Byrd gives up 6 runs in about 5 minutes.

    Ayuh - SF October 8, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • //Yep. I’m having an easier time understanding his Gold Glove awards.//
    Ha, are you accusing the Yankee official scorer of favoritism?

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • Byrd is now at 47 pitches.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • And Moose with a leadoff walk. Grrr..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Peralta walks to leadoff.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • FrankTV does a really strong bunch of people. It’s annoying as could be, but he is quite talented at impersonations.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • This must be what purgatory will be like…

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Romo intercepted again, this time at his own 49, at the 7 minute mark of Q1.

    SF October 8, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Gwynn packing on the pounds or is that the TV lying?

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Lofton out with a long fly to center.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • I wish Dane Cook, all three TBS announcers, Ted Turner AND Frank Caliendo would choke on a Turducken.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Lofton reverting to what he is: not good.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Gwynn looked bigger yesterday…the black suit tonight is slimming…

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Go Bills, can’t stand Jerry Jones

    Ed October 8, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • I know a show I will never, ever watch: FrankTV. Not that there’s any chance I would have watched it anyways, but with the incessant ads there’s no way in hell I will ever watch it. Nice job, TBS advertising unit. Textbook case of how to make people NOT want to watch something: annoy them.

    SF October 8, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Gwynn has packed on more than a few lbees.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • these announcers are idiots, Paul Byrd is hanging on a thread right now

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • I don’t think Turner owns TBS anymore I think Time Warner does.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • Go now!

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • They just called Byrd a “crafty veteran”…
    They couldn’t hate NY more in this booth.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:01 pm
  • Couldn’t agree more SF. Although props to the Bud guys for putting all those signs in the background at the stadium. Definitely making my mouth water.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • ball

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • Moose strikes out Gutierrez.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • Trisk – Turner only owns stock in Time Warner now and has no hand in the operations what so ever.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • My apologies Kevin, but he can still choke for marrying Jane Fonda. There, we are back on track.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • this game is so sloooooooooooooooooooow

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • I saw Gwynn for the first time yesterday and…YOWZA. That guy is enjoying retirement. Five or six times a day, by the looks of it.
    (In my house we refer to bacon cheeseburgers as “retirement”)

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • how many pitches for Byrd?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Mussina showing Joe Torre how little he knows about managing a pitching staff here. This has to feel good for the Moose.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • SF you are a riot!!! My wife wants to know why I am laughing!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Back to back K’s for Moose.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Big inning for Moose.

    Kevin SF October 8, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Wow, Moose strikes out Blake on a high fastball. Didn’t know Moose can still do that anymore..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • 47 Ed

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Mooooooose!!
    Hold it together. Hold it together!
    btw, its time Romo came down to earth. I was getting tired of “Second Coming of Staubach” stuff. Is there ever a time when we can appreciate a player honestly without him sucking horribly or being a golden god?

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Damn.. Where. Is. CC?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Moose with 38 pitches after 3. He’s throwing a lot of pitches..
    C’mon ARod.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • Ugh – ARod is swinging at crap.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • You have a better chance of seeing CC Deville pitch tonight.
    COME ON ALEX.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • ARod quickly down 0-2.
    ARod struck out three times against Carmona. Byrd is no Carmona. Let’s not strike out again.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • MVP MVP MVP!!!!

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • ARod K’s

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • Let’s start a rally!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • K-Rod. Second tonight.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • A-Rod is really trying to NOT make more money in a few weeks.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • When Giambi is in the lineup does he normally hit behind ARod?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • Am I the only YF here???

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • CHRIST these announcers are biased. I hate teh Yanks, but this is even pissing me off.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • Posada double, one gone.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • Posada with a double. Nice. Too bad he wasn’t at bat with the bases loaded..
    But we’ll take it. Let’s go Matsui!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • Posada doubles.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • Surely Posada’s double was the result of Byrd’s guile and craftsmanship…

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • Not this year. It’s usually Posada and Matsui.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • That was almost a home run
    I hate Byrd.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • John, I’m still here. Though yaaaa…

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • GOOD BYE BYRDIE???

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • Godzilla ground-out, 2 outs, runner to 3rd.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • VMart playing first base, and showing off the glove. Now two outs, Posada at third.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • This is just depressing – glad I have to run an errand – so sad to see them being out pitched by PAUL BYRD!

    Rob October 8, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • Who does the Tribe have for middle relief? Hard to imagine Byrd getting beyond the 4th or 5th…

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • how can indian fans watch paul byrd without some tums

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • I thought Cano took that for a ride there.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • SHUT UP ABOUT BYRD!
    Seriously.. I cant handle this. This is horrible announcing

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • Cano takes it for a ride, too, but this one is caught.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • That was a 9 pitch inning by Byrd.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • Cano flies out pretty deep, but not deep enough. Three outs sandwiching a Posada double, and it was a relatively easy inning by Byrd. 54 pitches after 3.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • I’m not even going to ask the Yankees for runs anymore. That, clearly, is too much. Instead, I’m going to ask for 4-pitch at-bats. If the Yankees can do that twice per inning, they have won for me.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • I believe you are, Trisk. At least we’re not trolling though. We’re being decent.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • Hey, if I had CC and Fausto on my team, they could prop up Dennis Martinez on the pitching mound and I wouldn’t complain.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • These Sonic commercials drive me nuts. The food looks so freakin good, but there isn’t a Sonic anywhere near my house, why tease me?

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • Byrd kinda having a Kenny Rogers type outing here…
    Strange how these bats do this.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • 7-0 Bills, 1:30 left in the first. Dull affair.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • Trisk – It’s my belief that Sonic is not an actual food company, but rather a psychological experiment to advertise food but not make it available.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • How’s married life Brad?
    Ahhh former Red Sox phenom Kelly Shoppach’s turn to hit.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • My Dad just called and said simply “four runs isn’t winning this game”.
    I think he’s right. Byrd’s a lucky bastard. It can’t/shouldn’t hold.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • Trisk…I hit Sonics up every week. The food is good.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • FSP, Paul SF said in Texas Sonic is pretty big. Here in NJ I know of none.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • Mussina overpowered Shoppach there. Geez.
    3-2 now.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • They did not get Wang out of the game by working the pitch count..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Moose throws strike 2…taking a page from the Paul Byrd playbook, Gwynn?

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • GRD for Shoppach. I didnt see that coming.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Well that isn’t nearly as much fun as my theory about Sonics. :)

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Shoppach with a GRD.
    Texas also has Whataburger. Another delicious fat factory.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Shoppach, whoever he is, doubles leading off. Mooooooooo..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Trisk, things are great. She’s asleep on the couch right now – hence my availability to chime in..ha. This week has been crazy with all the family that came in for the wedding.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Indeed Lar. Wang took himself out of that game.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • In’n’Out. California, mostly. Very, very good.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Sonic definitely exists, and is definitely delicious. Problem is, they’re nowhere on this side of the Mississippi River, ha.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Witten just caught a pass for 8 yards, Trisk.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • Sizemore looks uncomfortable.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • On the mention of In-N-Out my mouth watered.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • I am going to play my own TBS drinking game, anyone care to play? Everytime these announcers say Byrd, crafty, veteran or Wedge you drink.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • What kind of leadoff man strikes out 155 times?

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • We need some bugs to attack Byrd..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • I’m in Trisk – though I’m drinking the high life, so I’ll drink twice to keep up! ha.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • Thanks SF!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • John… do you want me to call 911 awhile or shoudl I wait?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Mussina not finishing off hitters..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Sac bunt time?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • What I have learned from the commentators of this game, so far:
    The Indians are the most patient team in baseball history, and occasionally, they work counts.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Moose loses Sizemore on walk after starting off 1-2.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • What is amazing about the TBS crews is that EVERYONE HATES THEM. And it’s not that the criticism is all about how partisan they are (though there have been some mentions of that, though I haven’t noticed it), it’s that they don’t know what they are talking about, at all.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Walk to Sizemore. 1st and 2nd, no outs.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • I really feel for you yanks, you deserve better announcers than this

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • The video work again? Seriously. Can we kill these guys? They are gonna make me root for the Yankees.
    Ok maybe not.. but man are they bad

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Need a bunt pop up triple play. That would be sweet.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Justin Bateman did a better job in Dodgeball than these guys.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Battery needs to charge, be back in 15. Remember the rules…Byrd, Crafty, Veteran and Wedge.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • ESPN Ocho is a good channel.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • Witten catches a 25 yard (or around that) TD. 7-7 (pending PAT).

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • Smartest thing Joe Torre has done in three days.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • load basis for VMart?????

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Sac bunt moves the runners over.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • IBB to Hafner to face VMart bases loaded. Sigh.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Bunt works.
    Still donbt like bunts in general. Never make outs
    See.. now they IBB Hafner and the Inning Ending Double Play is set up. Bunt was a horrible idea.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • That sacrifice bunt only goes to show you Byrd’s guile and craft — oh, wait.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Mussina’s PC has now passed Byrd’s.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • The sound effect on that was totally unnecessary.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • Sac bunt moves the runners over. Now they’re IBB’ing Hafner.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • Who will they bring in? Moose isn’t look too good either, though we need a few innings from him..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • Stupid Wedge. This bunt is gonna kill you.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • Though Moose is up 1-2 on a lot of pitches, just not finishing them off..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • Moose does not have the craftiness of..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • Aaaand VMart singles in the 5th and 6th runs.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • BASE HIT! Wow!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • Wow, VMart with a grounder through the gap.
    2 runs score.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • Wow, the Indians bunted with nobody out and 2-3-4 coming up? Seems colossally dumb to me.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • They get a ground ball from VMart, but between the fielders. Sigh.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • I almost can’t believe this is happening. It’s like something’s not right here with NY on the brink of NOT facing Boston next week. It’s crazy.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • no lead is safe with paul byrd on the mound

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • And now I look dumb with that comment. Why I am not a Manager 101 right there.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • These are the bases loaded hits that Yanks were not getting off that crafty Byrd.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • Season highlights:
    Joba Chamberlain
    ARod’s career year

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:29 pm
  • one hit too late

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:29 pm
  • ARod gets the DP to end the inning, but it’s 6-1 Tribe now.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:29 pm
  • DP, but not before the Indians tack on 2 more runs. Moose at 62 pitches, but that doesn’t even matter right now..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:29 pm
  • Wel.. there was that double play. Just a batter late.
    I DID predict a DP, so I was aprtially right

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • Don’t forget Posada’s historic year for a 37 year old catcher!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • Arod’s arm is a nice highlight. Gotta pick something.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • will byrdie hold up?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • Byrd is sneaky, sneaky.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • Still only a 5 run lead. Agaisnt the Yanks. With BYrd who’s been crap. Most of the Game to go.
    Im not feelign good yet.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • Steinbrenner has backed himself into a corner…he’ll need to whack Torre if they lose tonight…if not, it’ll appear he’s no longer in charge

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • I’m a SF intermittently watching this game. I get the feeling that the announcers hate the Yankees….

    Ron Newman October 8, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • My cup is still half full. It’s only the 4th inning. Let’s go Yanks!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • Drink

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Steinbrenner is the problem, not Torre, this is coming from a sox fan

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Dionysus, Not feelin good yet? Why wouldnt SF’s be lookin forward to another Yanks/Sox series? I certainly was hoping for it…

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Byrd, with that windup, looks like a Bird. I’m being horrible and stupid, but I stand by what I said.
    That last pitch looked like a ball, but you got to respect the ump..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Melky gets a single to lead off the inning. Go Yankees!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Ok.. Byrd needs to be pull. 3 straight balls.. then after a close strike, a single.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • I can’t freaking keep up.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • my heart can’t take a sox-yanks series right now

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • That single was surely all part of Paul Byrd’s broader plan to toy with the Yankees and be a big-time clutch genius veteran righthander, etc. etc. etc.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • MY GOD, STOP KISSING INDIAN REAR!!!!!!!!!!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • The Yanks can’t get even those kind of hits to dump in..
    I think I’ll sit out that drinking game, though I’ll probably need to drink after this..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • Byrd is “making him look like a genius early”?
    Apparently the bar for genius has been lowered considerably since the days of Einstein and Freud.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • Lewis is now warming up in the bullpen. C’mon Yanks!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • Is it at all appropriate for the announcer to wish the Indians manager “good luck” mid-game?

    Ron Newman (SF) October 8, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • The Yanks not doing much with the leadoff single. I want Melky to be running and make things happen. They seem placid right now..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • I hope the FJM guys are watching. This is Eckstein-like treatment of Byrd here.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • 2 hours, 4th innning.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • Jeter lines out to Blake. Bah.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • Yankees again strand an early runner.
    “Yankees trying to figure out a way to put runs on the board,” TBS informs us. You know, as opposed to all other teams in all other games.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • dknyc: Stein won’t can him; he just won’t re-sign him.
    As far as the anti-Yank bias by Chip Carey, no comment.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • Good contatc by Jeter, however Byrd use his Guiley craftiness to place the fielder right in the correct spot.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • “Sonic definitely exists, and is definitely delicious. Problem is, they’re nowhere on this side of the Mississippi River, ha,.”
    They are all over the place here, and I am east of the Mississippi. It’s right down the road a few miles! Never ate at Sonic, though. Anyone ever eat at a Krystals? Now that is some vile crap. But then I hate all fast food…

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • I know that Steinbrenner said Torre was fired if they lost the series, but Torre’s contract is up and technically not under contract. How is that fired? Or is that just George?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Krystals!
    Skillet Scab emporium.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • Lofton.. WHY woudl you swing at a first pitch, you moron?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • Moose gets Lofton to fly out on one pitch. Definitely needs more of that..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • I think what he said is that he wouldn’t be brought back. “Fired” wasn’t part of the press release.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • “Paul Byrd has been dazzling”
    r we watching the same game here?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • “the Chrysler Building in downtown Manhattan”? What?? Since when is 42nd Street downtown?

    Ron Newman (SF) October 8, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • Worthless play-by-play/color commentary asaide, is there anyone else out there with HD at home that thinks the TBS HD single looks like crap compared to other mlb hd signals?

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • “Yankees fans are stunned. Paul Byrd has been dazzling.”
    8 baserunners in 4 innings: Dazzling.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • “This is Eckstein-like treatment of Byrd here”
    Lol, good analogy. These announcers don’t want to let reality get in the way of the script.

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • I really wonder why the Yanks don’t run more with the faster runners. C’mon, you’re down 6-1. Get some fire started. Do something, anything!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • you’re right “fired” was never used

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Josh BECKETT was dazzling. Schilling was shiny.
    Byrd is NOT dazzling.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • I guess midtown is downtown when you’re in the Bronx?
    Other possibility: The announcers are dumb.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Ed.. agreed.. he just said that the Yankees have had a baserunner in every inning, yet he’s dazzling. I don’t think _he’s_ watching the same game he’s watching.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • Perfect game, Don Larsen. Ya, okay.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • I’m too busy being stunned as a Yankee fan to realize Mussina’s Byrd-like craftiness.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • Moose with a good inning, much needed.
    The Yanks have 15 outs to score a bunch of runs. They could do it.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • A 1-2-3 inning.
    Understand now. I think I saw the way it was labeled on certain web pages.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • “I don’t think that word means what he thinks it means.”

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • haven’t they heard? Kenny Lofton’s on the Indians, and playing in the ALDS!

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • Inconceivable!

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • My point was that he set himself up to have to follow through on his threat…my issue is that I dont see an attractive alternative. I cant imagine the veterans wanting to play for Showalter-esque Girardi and Mattingly has never managed on any level. Bobby V would be interesting because of his in-game knowledge, but he’s so damn combative…LaRussa a similar story.

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • Byrd: 4 ip, 6 hits, 2 bb.
    His awesomeness defies description.

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • DHL caps on Kenny Lofton. Weird advertisement.
    Okay, I said I wouldn’t comment on Carey, but I will say this. He is an announcer in _love_ with the sound of his own voice.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • Bills now up 16-9 on an INT/TD – ball knocked up in the air by a DL, caught by said DL who scampers three yards into the end zone. Romo not doing fantasy owners much tonight with two pick-sixes.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • Let’s see if A-Rod can somehow go down on 0.5 pitches.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • 15 outs is A LOT of outs… shut up, god these guys suck

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • I get the impression that it’s a corner Stein doesn’t mind painting himself into. I think he wants Torre gone anyway.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Sorry, 17-7.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Abreu not doing much with ath pitch. 1 out. Let’s go ARod!

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Watching on the scoreboard in the Jake? How? Why?
    Why woudl there be fans in the Cleveland stadium? There’s no GAME!
    Is soemthign special goign on? Jumbotron viewing of the game? Or are the annoucners jsut spectacularly stupid?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Bills are up?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • This is the same Yanks teams that smacked Dice and Schill around? They also kept thier pimp hand strong with Beckett.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Gets a single. Nice.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Bills up, yes.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • when did Arod start to hit like Jeter?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Romo is having a bad game…

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Posada lines to the 2B. ARod stays at first.
    Where’s the 9 feet graphics?

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • that would be bad luck

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Matsui pops out, and again the Yanks are not hitting.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • When he grimaces, Paul Byrd looks like a young Foster Brooks.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • That was what — 5 pitches for Byrd? This is disgusting.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • Wow. Two first pitch outs.

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • Pick # 4 for Romo!!!

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • Byrd and Moose both at 74 pitches.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • Five pitch inning by Byrd? Talk about inconceivable!

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • I still like the work the count against Byrd better than swing at early pitches. They were working walks against him, just not getting the big hits..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • Dallas may get its first T.O. media explosion this week.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • I agree Lar. That first pitch swinging did nothing for them and keeps his “craftiness” in the game longer.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Veras up and warming.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:53 pm
  • Was Kennedy on the Yanks roster?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:53 pm
  • Rob – ya, it’s not like the Yanks are striking out against Byrd all that much, so even down two strikes they aren’t so bad. Just that they’re not getting it done..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Yanks look like they always look this past few years in the post-season–anemic.

    walein October 8, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Im Back.
    I have to admit I changed the channel for a minute and saw Kelsay’s awesome play for a TD for the Bills.
    New word for the drinking game, Asdrubal.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • He was out.

    walein October 8, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Clearly out..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • BLOWN call. Whatever.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • GREAT play by Doug. aaaand.. he was out by a step. Blown call, big time.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Bad call, Sizemore should be out.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Awful call.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Does this prove just how pathetic the NFC has become, that a Super Bowl favorite can look this bad against a bottom tier AFC club? (See also: Seattle at Pitt; the Steelers are a good team, but 21-0 is just sad)
    Oh, there’s a baseball game tonight, too. Too painful to watch; I actually miss Scooter the talking baseball right now. And Byrd is pretty gruesome, too.
    Working on a paper, else I’d be more then a ghost tonight…

    Josh SF (D1) October 8, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • bad call… umps have been off tonight

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Not getting the calls, though it doesnt account for the 5 runs differential, I’m still frustrated.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Finally Tony Gwynn says what has happened with the calls tonight. Meanwhile that F-ing idiot continues his weird crusade against the Yankees.

    walein October 8, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • What are the words so far? I’ll play!

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • What am I missing here?
    Pettitte was called a ‘warrior’ among other superlatives to describe giving up 9 baserunners in 6 innings, throwing 63% strikes.
    Byrd is being described as a mutt for putting 9 baserunners in 5, throwing 67% strikes.
    Pettitte was ‘crafty’ enough to give up no runs. Byrd has been the same, giving up one.
    You guys ever wonder why most people despise Yankee fans?
    Hop to it, NY. Play your part as a good soldier for the East. Waste CC for the us.

    Presently a Real Big YF October 8, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • He wasn’t “out by a step,” but he was out.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Was Kennedy on the Yanks roster?
    No, he was shut down with back pain, I believe.

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Casey or whatever he goes by…

    walein October 8, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Byrd, Crafty, Veteran, Wedge and now Asdrubal.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • “A little Vitamin D from the Melkman”… as he proceeds to catch a routine flyball???

    Ed October 8, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • Moose leaves. Better than I expected from him, but the Yanks got to hit..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • OK, gotta hit the hay everyone. Keep it civil in here, please! So far so good…

    SF October 8, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • I am also open to any suggestions since this game is not getting any more pleasant to watch.
    Six word anyone?

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • Villone in?

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • Vitamin-D from the Melk-Man. That’s about the most flare the commentators have offered the Yankees. And now the mop-up crew comes in for the Yanks. At least, after all this, the Yanks’ postseason record isn’t any worse than it was last year.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • “…BLOWN call….”
    is it just me, or do we seem to be saying that a lot more lately?…
    re football: the bills must’ve sifted through the dumpster outside of goodell’s office for bits of cowboy film from belicheater’s private library…

    dc October 8, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • the bills kicked a field goal, it defelected, was then caught for a touch down!?!?!?!

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • The Yankees offense so far in this game reminds me of the way the Sox offense looked for a few months.

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • thanks for the lead line guys, so very worthless

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • What was the crowd chanting right there? I couldnty make it out

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • of course the red sox care about this game, they play one of these guys… the sox never want to play the yankees, regardless of who’s on the mound, sox and yankee series are always out of control

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • PARBY: I’ve got no problem with the fact that Cleveland has frankly outplayed the Yankees most of the this series, but Chip Carey, as an announcer, is painful. Every phrase has to drip with overwrought drama, over insinuated gravity. Whether there is bias or not doesn’t matter, so I’ll leave that part out. The fact is, he SUCKS, on every level. The one thing he has going for him, which is a nice timbre, he abuses. I’d rather frankly much rather listen to Remy and Orsillo call this game. And unlike general baseball knowledge, in this case, trust me that I know a little bit about what I speak.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • Drink Trisk

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • 12 outs left.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • I think everyone agrees this announcing crew sucks, gerbil. I think I’d rahter Joe freakin Morgan right now

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • They just showed the guy who played Arli$$ in the bleachers. We are screwed.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Was taht to be, Rob? The were chantign “Drink Trisk”? *is confused*

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • Robert Wuhl? TBS really brings out the stars!

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • Three and a half innings left to go and I’m heading down to Professor Thom’s. I hope the back pages are interesting tomorrow. Good night everybody!

    FenSheaParkway October 8, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • I am starting to have trouble also. Too many Jameson and Cokes.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Im amazed Byrd is still out there. Hasnt he thrown a bazillion pitches?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • No they were chanting PAUL O’NEILL why I don’t know…
    Robbie!!!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • 6-2 on a Cano HR. Effing finally, though it’s with bases empty.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • Cano homers, pull Byrd.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • Whoa, He freaking Golfed that. That was one hell of a swing!

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • Thank god. Maybe now they will SHUT UP about Byrd.
    Wedge get that Pen of yours in this game,

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • Robi with a pull to right for a dinger.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • That looks like that will be it for Byrd.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • 6-2 on the Cano solo shot.
    “Magnificent” Paul Byrd coming out.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • Byrd threw 77 pitches.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • Robbie Cano, forestalling the inevitable. Clearly veteran Eric Wedge doesn’t understand Byrd’s even more veteran genius.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • about time they pulled byrd… though he was “magnificient”.. ???

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Finish your beer on Grand Slam.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • I was not refering to the announcers, but to the commenters on this blog. Either Byrd is doing a pretty damn good job or the Yanks are in a funk even Wakefield could expose.

    Presently a Real Big YF October 8, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • (Jameson & Coca-Cola is a most excellent drink, Rob.)

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Dionysus – he threw something like 47 the first two innings, and then the Yanks suddenly switched strategy and started swinging earlier in the count, and had a few innings of like, 5 pitches or something stupid.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Caray: “Paul Byrd was magnificent”
    Gerbil said it all…

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Okay, I’m drinking once for every “dazzling”, twice for every “magnificent”, and three times for every “brilliant”. Any other overblown adjective will be subject to an on the field call.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • If the indians hold them here I like their odds

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • I heard some new Bon Jovi song on the radio the other day, and had to change the station after about 25 seconds, it was so painfully bad.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • Jon Bon Jovi…does he own the Indians, or something…?

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • I will follow your lead AG! Can we have a complete list..

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • If they say “genius” again, gerbs, you have to do a beer funnel.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • Perez now in. Let’s kick this guy’s ass.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • Ed – if the Indians don’t give up 4 runs in the next 4 innings, I like their odds.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • PARBY: The Yanks are definitely struggling with the bats tonight. They should have undressed Byrd several times tonight, but it just didn’t happen.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • The new Skippy makes a magnificent play!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • Yanks are waking up. This is gonna go south, fast.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • That ballboy just made the best grab of the night there…

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • Melky with the ground out to third base.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • The strange part is that TBS ought to be absolutely *panting* for the Yanx to win this one, so they can sell ads for a high-ratings Game 5.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • Hudson! Good call. Genius means three drinks as well, and if they combines two superlatives in once sentence, finish your drink.
    Crap he just said “perfect” throw. Drinking.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • Duncan batting for Minky.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • Imagine if this was CC instead of Perez

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • I was diggin Bon Jovi’s shirt, though… ha

    Brad October 8, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • Sell Ads? So far all I have seen are Captain Morgan, Frank TV and Sonic…I think those 3 will be tapped after this game.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • C’mon Duncan. Take zero in the way of junk.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • Maybe they are trying to jinx the Indians, Hudson.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • Fore arm shivers for everyone!!! Nice job Shelley.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • Here comes New York. SH*T.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • “Line DRRIIIIIIIVE… base hit.”
    Spoken, on a weak single, as if he’d just hit a grand slam to tie the game.

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • Hudson – I was talking about that with my friend the other day. The breakeven point is usually 4 games in a series, I think I read a long time ago (I could be wrong). But whatever it is, it isn’t 3 games, so you have to kind of feel bad for them that there were three sweeps this playoff..
    But then again, if I had to listen to them that much more, I would’ve killed myself or something..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • PATIENCE PLEASE, TAKE SOME PITCHES

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • Upper deck, Johnny. Or, at least maybe a walk. Or maybe a wild pitch and two throwing errors that’ll score Duncan.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • And here they come…..

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • the announcers are already changing sides here, so hillarious

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • “GROUND BAAAAAL, base hit!”
    Again belted out like the game was just tied up.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Come on DJ PLEASE!!!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Damon singles, Shelly to third. Who knew, after Byrd came out. If they weren’t trying to hold Duncan (really?) on first, it might’ve been a DP. And here’s Captain Clutch.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Bye Indians. I knew you’d frak this up.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Damon hits under the glove of the 1B. Why was he holding the runner at first?
    Jeter at the plate. We need a big hit. I need to see a fly ball here. We need a run here. No groundballs. Something in the outfield. Have to keep chipping away.

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Let’s roll.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • TBS really trying to whip up the drama here.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Drink, Gerbil. Drink, drink, drink. The man’s mouth is completely out of control.

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • Man.. they need to pull Perez now.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • Perez looks pretty intimidated out there.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:19 pm
  • Gwynn is catching Carey’s stupidity: “if there has ever been an offense that can overcome a five run deficit” (we’re in the sixth inning mind you, and the starter is already out) “it’s this one.” Gah.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:19 pm
  • This really should’ve started at 5 so it’ll end by 10..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:19 pm
  • That was a “just get it over” pitch.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:19 pm
  • Finally a strike; cologne-wearing batter taking all the way.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Spear right to the heart of NY.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Vomit.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Double Play!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Captain Clutch seems like Captain Double Play this series. Could’ve done anything (other than that) and at least chip away at the lead.. bah. Bah.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Tom.. give me a second to put on my other hollow leg.
    Carey shrieks, “WHATTA PITCH BY PEREZ” as Jeter grounds into a routine DP.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Well, that was fun for about five minutes. Okay, so which prospects are looking good for 2008? And have the Bills blown tonight’s game yet?

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Captain intangibles GIDPs.
    Giant whooshing sound of air escaping from the crowd’s collective balloon.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:21 pm
  • no trolling guys, just genuine amazement

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:21 pm
  • The best Capt Morgan commercial so far.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:21 pm
  • God I love Dane Cook.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • Farnsworth in.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • farnsworth?!?!?!

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • FARNSWORTH???

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Carey: “Webb… master of the sinkerball.” Drink for the word master.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Farnsworth in. Torre does not want a job next year.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • well they’re down now so he’ll likely be lights out

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Well there is a bright side to everything guys, this could be the last time we EVER have to see this stiff in pinstripes.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • is this farnsworth’s last year?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Farns couldn’t get the outside corner there, but decent pitch on the 0-2.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Quick Cleveland Indians history lesson from Jim Carey. Awesome.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • If Yankee fans have anything to say about it is Ed.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • Okay, that was weird. At least the commentators are extending their Indians bias past the Yankees, and onto Boston. Is that a form of fairness?

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • John.. I liked when he explained they had to beat the Yankees, and then Boston, and then win the world series to….. win the world series.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • typical farnsworth, lights out in a non hold or save situation

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • The Indians manager looks like he’s auditioning for the part of Hungover, Wicked Uncle Ernie in a remake of The Who’s “Tommy.”

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • Farnsworth in pinstripes again next year.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • Finish your beer, Brenly said “Hump”

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • Gotch ya Trisk… maybe the mets will take him

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Peralta singles to right on a belt high pitch at the inside part of the plate. Here’s Kenny.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Kenny Lofton is the most calculating hitter in the game today.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Wedge definitely looks like a hobo

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • AG, just to clarify the Yankees not only have to score 5 runs to advance, if they do they would then have to win on Wednesday and then go on to beat Boston to go to the WS. I know it gets confusing…LOL.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • Crap. Good thing mine was almost empty.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • man, LoHud is downright hilarious tonight.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • I just have this feeling that this may soon be an 8-2 ballgame…

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Lofton not much of a power guy…

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Yeah, John, I was backed into a corner working that one out. Thank goodness Chip has got my back.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • Ah, Tony Gwynn talking basketball in his best Urkel voice.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • Chip Caray… nice hair douche bag

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • 3-2 to Lofton.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • The only “Rack” Gwynn can take it to these days resides in an Outback Steakhouse…

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • This at-bat with Lofton has lasted 35 minutes.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • “Wonder what he’s thinking”… obviously about what Chip Caray is talking about right now

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • Chip Carey has the gall to ask the question, speaking of Joe Torre, “Wonder what he is thinking?”
    I’m guessing it’s about the fact that Kenny Lofton is at the plate, with Farnsworth pitching and a runner on first. You know, baseball, Chip.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • Drink, Jim Carey said “Outstanding”

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • “Paul Byrd… outstanding.”

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • “Paul Byrd, Outstanding.”
    10 baserunners in 5 innings… Outstanding.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • I wonder what Posada said to Farnsworth
    My bet is “Purple Monkey Dishwasher”

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • No, I don’t know how to spell Caray.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • I wish my TV had SAP…

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • I think the Tigers kind of lost the division on their own…

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • Damn it! drinking.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • Seriously.. these are the worst announcers in the history of time.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • Farnsworth is so money… without the lead

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • I hope that kid drops the helmet full of ice cream right on his dad’s lap. How could you be the GM of the Indians and let your kid eat out of a Yankee Helmet?

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • I know so much about the Indians now — wait, don’t tell me: on July 19th, 2003, at 11:36 am, Travis Hafner bought a hat.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Please no Ronan

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • God I love this part…It never gets old.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Farnsworth gets Gutierrez, how about that.
    Gotta get as far as possible from the TV for Gobbless Murrika as sung by the guy with the giant teacup ears.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • what exactly is this guy a doctor of?

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • It’s not over until the fat.. wait.. what?
    I love this guy though..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • This “God Bless America” thing, during the Yankees playoffs, has had such a feeling of dread to it over the past few years.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • YFinMA: Little known fact.. it was Cleveland, who under stealth played Detroit 17 times in the last 19 games.
    “On the cusp of upsetting the Yankees”, though it’s the top of seven.
    Cusp refers to a specific point or on the verge of changing states. That’s worth a drink.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • Shelly Duncan, not a looker

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • Torre thinking: “Well, at least I may never have to listen to this cornball crooner again.”

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • Shelley Duncan…appearing to know the words.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • That ol’ Ronan feller looks like some some of them boys I saw up in the hills of Arkansaw a while back. They was scary…

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • Just in case you can’t get enough Ronan
    http://www.ronantynan.net/

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • they should let Ronan take an at bat, he looks like a natural DH

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • The “doctor” part must be an honorary degree… Piled Higher and Deeper.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • Dane Cook looks like he’s about to crack up, like “These commercials are ridiculous, i’m getting paid for this?”

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • Perez still on.. probably only for Abreu.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • From Ronan’s web page:
    He later became a full-fledged medical doctor, specializing in orthopedic sports injuries, with a degree from prestigious Trinity College.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • Gerbil — ah yes, those Indian owners really had it all figured out. Not only did they stock their team with youth, they also traded away players with undying Indian loyalty, in-turn stocking other teams with undercover Indians. Man, the genius of…whoever their GM is.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • wow, you serious Rob?

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Abreu down.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Has Bobby Abreu ever driven in a run in the postseason — ever?

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Yes, pulled it down from his web page.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • Guy’s Ronan is a full fledged medical physician. I have the Irish Tenor CD for some reason, and they mention it on it.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • WHy is Perez on to face A-Rod?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • here comes the MVP

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • These commentators have the A-Rod controversy checklist covered tonight — they have really read the New York Post over the last month.

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • He also has two aputated legs.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • Erkel defends ARod.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • Tynan is an M.D., .. and an accomplished tenor .. and a double amputee. It’s a tough road to make a joke at his expense.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • Now I feel bad…
    Born with lower limb disabilities, Tynan elected to have both legs amputated at the age of 20 due to complications caused by a car accident. Within weeks of the accident, he was climbing stairs at his college dormitory on artificial legs. Within a year, Tynan was winning in the international Paralympics. Between 1981 and 1984, he amassed eighteen gold medals and fourteen world records.
    In the following years, Tynan became the first person with a disability ever to be admitted to the National College of Physical Education, Limerick. He went on to prestigious Trinity College, Dublin and became a physician specializing in Orthopedic Sports Injuries.

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • Caray shows he’s done his homework on Borowski

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • What did that last comment about Borowski have to do with anything at all, exactly?

    YFinMA October 8, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • 4 run game.. they probably will use Borowski. So the Yanks have a pretty good chance to win, even IF they are still down by 4 in the 9th

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • So, what’s the over under on the opt-out now? I say no freaking way he goes now..unless of course he wants to just make less money in LAA or Chicago.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Wow, ARod hit a homer.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • ARod obviously doesn’t understand clutch, hitting his homer with nobody on.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • ARod hits it out of the park at last. With no one on, natch.
    6-3.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • SH*T!!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • Seriously.. Why still Perez?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • Are the Indians now off the cusp?

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • They were NEVER on the Cusp, Hudson

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Tom, don’t feel bad. I personally got tired of hearing God Bless America in the stretch a long time ago, though I have to admit it is a heck of a lot better listening to someone sing it live than listening to a tape like usually happens.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • wow, Arod hits a homer

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Do the Yanks bring in Rivera next inning?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Dion, don’t sweat it. I’m actually sort of hoping the Yankees come back, only to have their hopes dashed in Cleveland, thus screwing with the Indian rotation/pen.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • 3-1 on Matsui.
    Why isnt there a new pitcher?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • This game is still SOOOOOOO far from over. Not to mention that Borowski is coming due soon.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • STUPID PEREZ!!!
    Indians are gonna lost.. FRAK

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Hudson, why not wish for a Sox-Yanks series?

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Even if the Yankees win, it won’t be because of them. One run on 8 hits in 5 innings against Paul Byrd? Disgraceful.
    C’mon Cano. You’re gonna get paid a ton in arbitration this off-season.

    AndrewYF October 8, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Sox-Yanks games are too stressful. I cant handle one of those.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • Perez has NO command. I think wedge has left him in two batters too long.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Perez pitching scared now.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • I hate to be so bitter, but you can really hear the desperation in the crowd. At least they care and have hope.

    AndrewYF October 8, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Whew. Three is NOT comfortable at all..
    God.. I hope NO ONE watches FrankTV.
    Indians need to score a few here.. will Torre use Joba for the third game ina row?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Nope. Veras.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Yay for A-Rod – again glad the monkey is off his back (least he won’t get *hit in the press tomorrow). Wish he could’ve done more, but heck it was Abreu’s job to get on base so it could’ve been a 2-run shot.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • 6 more outs…uggh.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • I would put any amount of dirty play pass the press, Rob. If Yankees lose, I expect A-Rod to still get hit.
    Man, that was some pitchign right ther eby Veras

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • God, do I want to beat these Indians to get to the Sox.

    J (yf) October 8, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • Caray said “Asdrubal” DRINK.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • quiet a large strike zone there

    Ed October 8, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • it has been said, Joe Buck announcing the ALCS… god have mercy

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:01 pm
  • They are bringing in Rivera!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:01 pm
  • John.. drank.
    Mariano Rivera comes to the mound in the eighth. Leaving it on the field.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • Ed – I’ll be happy to troll around the Red Sox thread just to make fun of Buck if you’d like lol.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • Buck and McCarver… *vomits*

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • The crowd is chanting “Joe TORRE”. I’m going to drink a toast to him.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • Sooooo where’s my scotch? I have at least a bottle around here I can polish off soon. I don’t have much faith in us pulling it out here simply because the team hasn’t shown drive or life. even when we get a hit it seems more an afterthought.
    I got hope, just not as much as I might like.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • Drink, Asdrubal

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • How drunk are you guys at this point? O.o

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • “Maybe the biggest superstar in our game that no one knows about”.. except everyone that watches baseball… and he says Asdrubal.. That’s what.. three drinks?

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • Dio.. I’m not as drunk as I would like to be, but I’m more drunk that I would want to be if I weren’t drinking.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • Well the best news of the night I just sold my Giants tickets on StubHub for the Pats game for $600.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • I still think Borowski will blow this game. He’s no Paps, no Mo, no Putz.. hell he isnt even a Bett Myers (who shouldnt be allowed to play in the MLB)

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:06 pm
  • This could be the last time Rivera pitches for the Yankees. I must watch.

    AndrewYF October 8, 2007, 11:06 pm
  • I am drunk enough that the Frank Caliendo commercials are getting pretty funny!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:06 pm
  • Caray: “Was that the final visit to the mound for Joe Torre in a Yankee uniform….(next sentence) in the eighth inning.” Quick recap as well, the Yankees must win to.. um… win.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Oooh, Postgame show with Allyssa Milano intervirew…

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Wow. I thought that was DP for SURE

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • I’m just where I need to be, Dio. ha.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Well said Brenly, Mo can you please let them hit it harder.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Brenley says that Mariano breaking bats and generating weak ground balls is a bad thing.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • That first pitch was one to drive.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • How many times are they going to show the RISP stats?
    We know already.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • “The Indians are not afraid to score on a wild pitch” OOH That pitch is WAY to wild for me to want to score upon!

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • When I was like ten, I was two of those kiddy fan clubs: Roger Clemens and Allyssa Milano.
    Funny story: I wrote her a letter detailing my love for her (ssshhh), and my Grandmother wrote me a letter back so I wouldn’t be disappointed that she didn’t return my letter. ha.
    Don’t tell anybody.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Jeter: ALL OR NOTHING PLAY!
    Finish your drink.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Man, that was a great play by Jeter.
    Rivera just keeps lowering that ERA.

    AndrewYF October 8, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Good play by Jeter.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Wow, can Hafner be any slower? I think I saw a Pinto on his back.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • Brad, that’s a great, sweet story. I love that sort of thing when ma/pa/grandma/pa step in on stuff like that.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Can Hafner be any slower?
    Yes, he could be Mike Lowell.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Yeah, its kind of sweet in retrospect, but when I really look at it now, it’s like that skunk cartoon that used to be on : when you watch it now, he’s just a psycho stalker always groping that girl skunk.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • “When I was like ten, I was two of those kiddy fan clubs: Roger Clemens and Allyssa Milano.
    Funny story: I wrote her a letter detailing my love for her (ssshhh), and my Grandmother wrote me a letter back so I wouldn’t be disappointed that she didn’t return my letter. ha.
    Don’t tell anybody.”
    This is a Happy Gilmore reference, right? Or are your lives just strangely similar…?

    Josh SF (D1) October 8, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • Giambi in the game. Btenacourt pitching

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • Ok time for a rally with our back of the order. Come on Young Guns.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • I will cry if they bring in Borowski

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • Was that a Gilmore reference? Dang, hooked me.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • here’s mr steriods

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • steroids*

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • Pne is a weapon reference. Drink, those hwo are drinking.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • “Don’t worry about me Happy, I got my hand back…”

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • here come the Jeter, A-Rod, Posada attacks

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • No, Josh. I still have the letter. Was that in that movie?

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Just had a thought – remember if the Yankees don’t pull it out the Baseball Tonight guru’s will all talk about how they all knew the Indians were going to win (never mind the flirting with the “awakened Giant” of the Yankees)

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Sigh.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Here we go Diamondbacks, here we go. Here we go Diamondbacks, here we go.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • “No, Josh. I still have the letter. Was that in that movie?”
    Haha yeah, it was. Happy’s talking to the love interest, I think at an ice hockey rink, about his Grandma and why he wants to win the tourney/save her house. She did the exact same thing, only I think it was like Cindy Crawford, or something. That’s funny.

    Josh SF (D1) October 8, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • No sure I buy into this Donnie Baseball Manager thing.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • “Joba has been a wonderful addition to New York.”
    Drink twice.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • Did Jim Caray just say Kei Igawa was a promising young Yankee pitcher…KILL ME PLEASE!!!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • Good lord did the announcers just discuss Clemens as if the Yankees were counting on him as a strong part of the rotation next year?
    Good god they get paid too much money for nonsense like this.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • I hear yah Rob, typical baseball pundits…

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • OK.. Betancourt jsut DOMINATED the Yankees.
    I’m sorry.. frak closers., You let him pitch the 9th, no matter what.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • Heyyyyy I won, the meat Jackpot!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • The Cleveland Indians are praying for more runs with Borowski coming in… yikes

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • I think I switch to rooting for the Rockies? Don’t know seems whoever I root for they lose (also a proud Dolphins fan – and you can see how well THAT is working out). Course least I can care about the Draft this next year (we might be number one!)

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • No, mine was definitely from something like Teen Magazine that my sister had, and all you had to do was send her a letter and she would write you back with an Allyssa Milano fan club card.
    Again, please don’t tell anyone! ha.
    Although, that bitch never did send me my card.
    I forgive her. Completely.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • Seriously, when was the last time someone announced a game without storylines? Without trying to put some nice cap on every pitch, every at-bat.
    Call the game, provide analysis OF THE GAME, provide inside info OF THE GAME, provide historical context OF THE GAME SITUATION.
    This whole “This could be the end of….” is just annoying, pandering and ridiculous.

    Carlos (YF) October 8, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • Brad she choose Carl Pavano over you, LOL!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • “Baseball Pundit” n.
    1. One who pontificates
    2. One who was hit in the head with a baseball bat, sniffed enormous amounts of pine tar, and then handed a microphone.
    3. Jackassery at its finest.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • “It all comes down to inning number nine” unless it goes extras. Drink.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • To the victor goes the spoil. Hahaha.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • “To the Victor go the spoils tonight” Wowza

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • “To the Victor go the spoils”?
    Really?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • A weak ground ball up the middle is a “SHOT” to center field.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • that was pretty good actually

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • “To the Victor go the spoils”
    That’s gotta be worth 2-3 drinks.

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • I’d be up for a Yanx/Sox series, but it ain’t gonna happen, even if New York mounts a giant comeback here, imho.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • Can someone please tell Caray Joe Borowski is from BAY-OWN, not BAY-EEWN. Bayonne you moron.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • music from “Major League” is on in the background, haha

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • They are playign the “Major League” music over those Indians stats/pictures!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • Lofton up, one more chance for him to stab NY in the heart?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • Yeah, I know. And, I’ve hated Carl Pavano since long before she started dating him. He was the starter of the Connecticut Class L state baseball championships, and promptly made my team look like we had never played the game before.
    Although, Matt Harvey is now coming out of my high school, so we’re even with big leaguers now. My high school and the one Pavano went to are big baseball rivals.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • Hudson said “Mount” and Brenly said “Hump” that’s the whole bottle boys.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • Wasn’t Chuck Wepner the “Bayonne Bleeder”?

    Tom sf October 8, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • What HS Brad?

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • Dammit – and this team is going to get blown-up because King George is “back in charge”.
    I wouldn’t be that worried if I trusted that the new Cashman program is going to be followed. This just means it won’t.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • Bring in Wild Thing Wedge

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • Pavano went to Southington,
    I went to Fitch.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • I wonder if Wedge’s wife stopped shaving also?

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • Gerbs, you might as well just hook up a grain alcohol I.V. drip for the bottom of the 9th.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • Yes Tom, only guy to ever knock Ali down.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • Lofton makes a smart play by listening to the base coach. Drink.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • My CT knowledge is limited to like Rocky Hill, Chesire, Notre Dame, St. Joe’s…

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • We are quickly approaching the 4 hour mark.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • Big K by Mo
    Unless they score 2, I predict Yankees win

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • They’re both always good, and never face each other until the state tourney, and his years were the harderst, though I’d assume they say the same thing about Matt Harvey now. He used to attend our practices when he was a just a kid – his father was our coach in high school, and still is.
    Though, with Boras inthe picture, I’d assume he’s close to retiring for good to follow Matt around the bigs!

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • “If our series ends tonight….” don’t worry there will still be plenty of opportunities to see promos for Frank TV!!

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • You ain’t kidding, Hudson.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • Caray said “Grizzled” drink drank drunk…

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • “grizzled veteran”! Drink!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • Damon just stopped 50,000 butt holes from puckering.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • nice catch Judas!

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Wow, Damon.
    Yankees win now.. *sighs*

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Damon makes a routine catch to end the Yankee ninth, but, somehow Caray makes it into Willie Fucking Mays. DRINK.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Notre Dame sucks at everything not named Hockey…as do most of the Catholic schools here, with the exception of Xavier, which has a long standing rule that every boy must participate in at least one sport, so the odds have always been in their favor for finding someone with a bit of talent.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • This Doctor looks like a real life Hannibal Lector

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Um, i am glad that Damon caught it, but it wasn’t that difficult of a catch. He was tracking it all the way..
    still
    bottom fo the ninth.
    do or die, indeed.

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Y’know, call me crazy, but I think announcers should reserve the THE SHOUTING AS IF YOU JUST WON THE LOTTERY AND A DATE WITH SHARAPOVA VOICE for catches which involve jumping, diving, or sliding…

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • AG with the F-bomb….
    Now we know they’re terrible! ha.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • If the Tribe wins this, who for Yank fans here are they going to pull for?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • Big commentary by the hitting coach to A-Rod I’m watching I’m sure.
    “hey you know that baseball – need to hit it”
    “ok”

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • Trisk, get out a fresh twelve-pack and open all of ’em now.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • A-Rod with two on for the first out?
    That would suck for him!
    I would laugh.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • did the announcer just say “One error could end”?

    Ron Newman (SF) October 8, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • ONE>>>> COULD END. ONE>>>>> COULD BE JUST BEGINNING.
    Please.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • Bye-on NJ LOL I can’t stop laughing…I told you he would say it

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • nope.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • Jeter up. Crappy Joe pitching.
    1-0 Oh god.
    1-1 Not too bad still you suck
    POP UP! ONE DOWN!

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • Jeter pops out..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • The Captain pops up. 2 outs to play with.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • Rob SF – I’d root if Wake were pitching or if they had Trot (liked both of them); you’ve lost some of the guys I respected.
    I think in general I’ll just root for good baseball – I think you’ll crush the Indians to the curb like nobody’s business anyway.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • Asdrubal. Drink.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • Paul Byrd is the player of the night… this is why you must play and watch the games

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • Brenley just linked a whole slew of drool on the Yankee offense. Drink at will.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • Paul Byrd has entered the rarified air of Ted Lilly tonight with this performance.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Rob — I thought most YFs hated Trot… ?

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Ed – I had the feeling he was going to pull out a Lowe-like night (I thought he’d suck and the Yanks would win that 4th game); just knew something was going to go wrong and he’d pull out some amazing play beyond all friggin reason.
    Don’t worry I’m sure against the Sox he’ll manage to pitch BP

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Abreu.
    0-1.
    1-1. Outside by a helluva lot. That wont cut the mustard.
    2-1. Stop doing that.
    FRAAAAAAAAAAAAK.

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Abreau with a HR.
    ruh-roh.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Abreu with a towering homer. And I’m not referring to Carey.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • God my heart…Thank you Bobby.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • HOLY SHIT>
    HERE THEY COME>

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • unbelievable… all the sweeter if they lose

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Bobby is upper deck.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Late solo homeruns. Hmmmm…. We still need to get at least another runner on. Cut the “Natural Music” unless it’s tying or winning the game.

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • Why did you pull Betancourt? WHY?

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • Hudson – I actually didn’t mind him – though I think that’s partly because he was a big idol of a friend of mine who was a Sox fan – probably where I got it.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • If the Yankees lose is this the last time we will see the squirrel on the right field foul pole?

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • Time for a pop out – you can tell he’s overswining trying to “top” Abreu

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • oh goodness, shut the hell up!

    Carlos October 8, 2007, 11:38 pm
  • enough with the A-Rod stuff, guys. They’re so, so bad.
    Now, please let him ground out to the first baseman so we can move on.

    Brad October 8, 2007, 11:38 pm
  • Still need 2..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 11:38 pm
  • It’ll be interesting to see if the Indians regret making him pitch last night – never understood why they brought him in last night.

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • 0-1
    0-2
    Get this Out, you scumbag.
    1-2.
    2-2.
    THIS SUCKS
    Betancourt better be the closer nect year for the Indians.
    GOT HIM!

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • ARod flies out to right.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • ARod: Not Manny.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • It was a fly out, but I wouldn’t call that shallow right. Not that it matters..
    Can’t swing at those really outside pitches.. wtf..

    Lar October 8, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • A-Rod popped up to “shallow right” according to Caray…. a few steps from the warning track!

    academic-SF October 8, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • Caray “Just missed that outside corner” .. if that 1-2 had been called a strike, I would have been so pissed.
    Now Alex pops up to “shallow right” 6 feet short of the track to the weak side.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:40 pm
  • DAMMIT

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:40 pm
  • MY GOD

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:40 pm
  • That was close. The stadium might have erupted with that one.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:40 pm
  • If only ARod got on base instead of swinging for the fence.
    Posada didn’t miss it by much.. though it still doesn’t matter.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • Posada: Just foul.
    I’m looking forward to MannyOrtez facing Byrd/Borowski. Nojinxnojinxnojinx.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • this guy blows

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • I think it’s time for a series of HRs

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • Posada gets a hold of one, but it is foul to right.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • 0-1.
    FOUL.. baaaarely. God that was scary. 0-2.
    GOT HIM!
    Yankee Season Ends!

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • and he struck out Posada

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • OVAH.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • Gameover. Sigh. See you guys next year.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • “And an era ends in New York. Perhaps.”
    Such bold predictions.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • Condolences, YFs. Your team had a hell of a run.

    academic-SF October 8, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • ::sound of scotch bottle being unscrewed::

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:42 pm
  • Good season, Yankees. It was a fun ride. Thanks for all you guys here at YFSF making it all the more interesting. Gotta go get some dinner to eat with my lady.
    Might be back later. We’ll see.

    attackgerbil October 8, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • Of course we got the Indians (instead of the Angels) the one year the Angles were walking-wounded

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • What a shitty ending to a great second half of the season.

    Rob SF October 8, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • Indeed.. you guys ha da hell of a season and kept us nervous all year long. You have nothign to be ashamed of. YOu stuck with your team through the bad and the good. and for that, I tip my cap.

    Anonymous October 8, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • Stick around YFs, we’d miss you in the gamethreads. Seriously, I mean it.

    Hudson October 8, 2007, 11:44 pm
  • here’s the “wizard” that is Paul Byrd

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:44 pm
  • Condolences, Yanks fans. You guys played amazing to get this far, which is no easy feat. Next year you guys are going to be tough.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 11:44 pm
  • Anon was me

    Dionysus October 8, 2007, 11:44 pm
  • Condolences, Yanks fans. You guys played amazing to get this far, which is no easy feat. Next year you guys are going to be tough.

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • Beckett vs Sabathia on Friday in Fenway!

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • Hudson, Ed, Rob-SF I’ll try to stop by on your threads later – as of now time to drink myself to sleep.
    Later all – I’ll await tomorrow to see what the damage is (I could just see George like walking down to give Torre his pink slip)

    Rob October 8, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • Some would say the run at the wild card coupled with the division series loss invalidates the season. I disagree. You guys made a race of it in the end and came back from the dead in one of the greater runs ever since the end of May. I must say even though I breathe a bit easier knowing the Yanks won’t see the Sox, I do feel just a bit of a pang at the idea that the Sox and Yanks won’t meet in another brutal clash.
    Now it’s time to be scared of Sabathia and Carmona.

    Devine October 8, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • I agree, I really enjoy YFSF, it wouldn’t be the same without you guys commenting. You have nothing to be ashamed about this season, and Torre has nothing to apologize for. I fear your rotation next year.

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:46 pm
  • Yeah, Hudson said it right–stick around in the game threads, YF’s. You guys make it fun :-)

    Atheose October 8, 2007, 11:46 pm
  • Hell of a season guys, no gloating here, of every team, the Yankees were the one I didn’t want to see in the post-season. See you next year and every year there after. I hope you stick around the site.

    LocklandSF October 8, 2007, 11:47 pm
  • And let me wish a fond farewell to Chip Caray… may you never again befoul my television set as long as you live.

    academic-SF October 8, 2007, 11:48 pm
  • Thanks for CC, chokers. Thanks for working the Indian starters for us. For that matter, thanks for almost making a single Indian break a sweat.
    Pathetic
    Have at it, George. They deserve it.

    Bye Cash, Joe, Arod, Pud, Damon, and 9/10s of the pitching staff October 8, 2007, 11:48 pm
  • Rob, don’t drink too hard bud, it IS a weeknight. I think it’s clear the fans and the players want Torre to stay, I hope he’ll be here next year.

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:49 pm
  • Good night all…see u Friday

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 11:49 pm
  • 4 runs on 12 hits. Bah.

    Lar October 8, 2007, 11:51 pm
  • Man, the Indians sure know how to throw around champagne

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 11:51 pm
  • Indians, worthy f%^&$# adversary dude

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:52 pm
  • Btw, thanks for the classy comments Sox fans

    dknyc October 8, 2007, 11:52 pm
  • I feel for Torre, he really sounds like he’s saying his goodbye here

    Ed October 8, 2007, 11:53 pm
  • Speaking of classy, that “win tonight or lose your job” statement from Steinbrenner was anything but.

    Ron Newman (SF) October 8, 2007, 11:54 pm
  • //Speaking of classy, that “win tonight or lose your job” statement from Steinbrenner was anything but.//
    Agreed!! Ten times over- agreed.
    Indians are on their way…

    no sleep til brooklyn SF October 8, 2007, 11:59 pm
  • Depends if you believe $300 million should be enough to expect a better series against Cleveland then was produced.
    You guys are all aware that George actually loses money on the Yanks every year, right?
    I personally would gut the whole mess if I was him. It ain’t working and getting worse.

    Bye Cash, Joe, Arod, Pud, Damon, and 9/10s of the pitching staff October 9, 2007, 12:00 am
  • Man, this Torre press conference on YES is tough to watch…really feel for the guy

    dknyc October 9, 2007, 12:02 am
  • Hey BRAW: NOBODY LIKES YOU, NOT EVEN OTHER BOSTON FANS. NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. YOU ARE A PATHETIC BANDWAGON FAN. It’s interesting you’re nowhere to be found after a Boston loss. If anyone deserved an IP ban, it’s you.
    Ron Newman: Oh look, the bandwagon Sox fan decides to make an entrance during the playoffs, after the game. Where were you at YFSF during the regular season? I was about to say thanks to the SFs in this thread for being classy guys, but you just had to go ahead and be witty and clever. Please.
    Anyway, thanks to the SFs for being a group of classy, intelligent baseball fans. This season has been a wild ride with crazy ups and downs and memorable moments. Thanks for all the great baseball talk.

    doug YF October 9, 2007, 12:06 am
  • Michael Kay just said that he still thinks the Yankees are the better team, and he’d match them up against the Indians any time.
    Really, you homer?
    They just played four of them.
    What a cancer.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:07 am
  • everyday, Doug.
    Most appreciate the way it goes here on most days.
    Go away, Braw. We don’t like/appreciate/respect/want to hear anything you have to say about anything.
    These guys don’t deserve to be chided.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:09 am
  • Steinbrenner allegedly loses money on the yankees, NOT on YES, where he makes millions

    Ed October 9, 2007, 12:09 am
  • Stick around for the rest of the postseason, Doug. You can help make fun of JoeBuck and McCarver.
    Its been fun talking wiht y’all

    Dionysus October 9, 2007, 12:10 am
  • Michael Kay should be fired, not Torre

    Ed October 9, 2007, 12:10 am
  • It should be a good series between Bos and Cle. Cleveland definetely has two better pitchers than the Yankees.
    Good luck to you all.

    Anonymous October 9, 2007, 12:12 am
  • Michael Kay is the dumbest human being on earth.
    “laden with talent”
    “they’re the best team in baseball”
    “MLB has to change the rules”
    “clearly better than every team on paper”
    Please choke on your mic, you moron.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:13 am
  • I think Boston beats CC, then loses to Carmona.
    Then all bets are off.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:14 am
  • why don’t they trade Jeter, Michael? You putz

    Ed October 9, 2007, 12:16 am
  • I’m wondering if Cleveland will unleash the killer midges on Okajima and Papelbon next Monday….

    Ron Newman (SF) October 9, 2007, 12:16 am
  • // Kay just said that he still thinks the Yankees are the better team, and he’d match them up against the Indians any time. //
    Holy cr@p, that’s like predicting “Kerry will beat Bush” … during Thanksgiving dinner, 2004.

    Hudson October 9, 2007, 12:16 am
  • I think it’ll be a 4-3 series, who loses the series is up in the air

    Ed October 9, 2007, 12:17 am
  • Michael Kay looks like he’s going to jump off a building… maybe the change needs to come in their announcers, what an ass

    Ed October 9, 2007, 12:18 am
  • The big question now for this SF is how Tito lines up the Sox rotation.
    Does he go for the Beckett/Sabathia and Schilling/Carmona deathmatches to open, or push Curt to Game 3, treating Game 2 as a “bonus” win if DiceK can somehow manage one?

    Hudson October 9, 2007, 12:19 am
  • good night all, hopefully i’ll see you yank fans for the series against the indians

    Ed October 9, 2007, 12:19 am
  • And will he drop useless Gagne from the roster?

    Ron Newman (SF) October 9, 2007, 12:19 am
  • George loses money every year on the Yankees operation, which assumably includes any Yes receipts which pertain the Yankess.
    That is, unless his books are as poorly kept as his baseball team.

    Bye Cash, Joe, Arod, Pud, Damon, and 9/10s of the pitching staff October 9, 2007, 12:20 am
  • I would assume that by now both the Sox and Tribe have some lowly staffer tasked with finding out exactly what repellant works on midges, just in case…

    Hudson October 9, 2007, 12:20 am
  • Yeah, goodnight.
    My buddy just called and said that Suzyn Waldman was crying on the air.
    Now that’s funny and sad at the same time.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:22 am
  • It was a fun season.

    Anna Maria Horseford October 9, 2007, 12:22 am
  • Now you YFs can start rooting for the Indians. It’s what we would do in your shoes.

    pat (SF) October 9, 2007, 1:00 am
  • I’m not sure what to do.
    I believe in the team as is. I believe we have youth that will serve us well. Wang, Hughes, Kennedy and Joba. Cabrera and Cano are a good pair. If folks leave, I hope we have a young catcher in our system somewhere. There is going to be so much change; maybe not the big ones people can not stop talking about, but enough that the 2008 Yankees will be very different.
    But what does this mean at the moment? The Youngins performed very well and the veterans could not get it together. The magic of Posada’s hit against Pedro could not be repeated. Abreu couldn’t set the table. Jeter can’t be perfect all the time. Rodriguez struggled, but I still want him during the season.
    In the end you have a team of parts that click, but don’t exactly fit. What position does Giambi play? Shelly Duncan, Betemitt, Mient are more than enough first basemen, and thats not even Duncan’s natural position. Cabrera, Abreu, Damon and Matsui…neither of them is a “platoon player.”
    There are questions and hopefully Cashman and Co have some answers. My thoughts are not too blow up the team but to change the model a bit and work on guys who get on base more than slug their way through.
    It was a painful way to end; with the belief that we did not live up to our own expectations, but instead wilted in the face of a great opponent. Even if we credit the Tribe’s pitching staff, the fact remains that they succeed when they could have failed and we did not.
    its going to be a hard year, but I want to make this a learning process and a way to help our young guys grow.

    Carlos (YF) October 9, 2007, 1:06 am
  • My condolences. If it makes you feel any better, I’m quite relieved that we don’t have to face y’all on Friday… and I’m already nervous about next year.

    Jackie (SF) October 9, 2007, 1:11 am
  • An exciting season, YFs. Tough break.

    mp (sf) October 9, 2007, 1:42 am
  • To the overwhelming majority of SFs on this site:
    Thanks for treating our ALDS loss with dignity, its nice to be part of a community that keep the rivalry the positive thing it should be. It was nice to come back and read this thread after an insanely long night in the bronx.
    That said, GO TRIBE.
    To the Moron(s) who kicked us while we were down: GFY. If you think that the Yankees losing makes you a bigger person. You’ve got a series of reality checks on their way.

    Sam-YF October 9, 2007, 1:47 am
  • Also, if Michael Kay wants to play baseball “on paper” he should join a fantasy league. Im sure we could make room for him over at YFSF next season….

    Sam-YF October 9, 2007, 1:49 am
  • Indians are gonna be tough. They looked good against the Yanks. You know, if you clinch best record, you should be allowed to face the loser of the other ALDS ;-). Except no team is as good as they look when they’re winning or as bad as they look when they’re losing. So I guess no matter who won this series, I would be nervous about facing them. I just wish the Indians had looked a little more average in doing it…

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 3:26 am
  • “We got beat in the four games played”, Damon said. “Overall, are they the better team? I don’t know.”
    Oy, Johnny.

    SF October 9, 2007, 8:47 am
  • Johnny is entitled to feel that way. The fact is the tribe got it done and beat them. They were certainly the much better team this week.
    Its hard to be sent home by a team that you have beat 7 times and only lost 3 times over the course of the year. Thus this sentiment.

    Sam-YF October 9, 2007, 9:25 am
  • Yeah, but this is one of those “feel it, just don’t say it” kind of lines. Win with a little class. Don’t belittle the victor.

    SF October 9, 2007, 9:32 am
  • To all my fellow Yanks fans and the cool Sox fans out there who appreciate the game, thanks for a lot of great give-and-take this season (and to the few morons on both sides who pollute the air, go look for a life).
    It was a terrific six months; now it’s time for a few golf weekends before ski season. See you in April.

    jimintokyo October 9, 2007, 9:41 am
  • SF agreed. Frustration can get the best of you I guess.

    Sam-YF October 9, 2007, 9:45 am
  • I did not intend any disrespect for YFs or Yankee players in my remarks. If that’s what came across, I apologize. But I still think your team’s owner did you no favor with his interview in the Bergen Record.

    Ron Newman (SF) October 9, 2007, 9:58 am
  • Agreed, on the tough Indians. They looked very, very good. Sabathia and Carmona is a very potent 1-2 punch for four games. And their bullpen looked excellent too. I’m not that afraid of the offense. Pronk still seems to be struggling. And the rest are station to station hitters that rely average pitching to string hits together. I think Becks and Schill can shut them down. I’m less confident in Dice and Lester.
    Still, I’m calling Sox in 6 games.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 10:02 am
  • So did the Sox choke the last two years, and the previous 86 years before that??? Last I checked they haven’t won anything yet…if they lose to the Tribe will that be considered a choke job??? I wonder if you would be so bold as to make comments like these outside of an anonymous message board??? There are jerkoffs on both sides of the aisle and you are definitely one of them…

    krueg October 9, 2007, 10:09 am
  • What many SF’s need to understand is that these things come in cycles. The Yanks are down, but I’d give my left nut to make the post-season for 12 straight years.
    The one problem they seem to have is with dominant starting pitching. They can get through a season with average pitching and a dominant offense. But we’ve seen the offense become more ordinary against better pitching and their average pitching gets exposed.
    Before SF’s get too excited, the Yanks have set themselves up with excellent pitching in the minors. Worse, they seem to have the prospects and desperation to trade for Santana. Or, even if they hold onto the full set of Hughes, Joba, and Kennnedy, at least one would seem to have the stuff to emerge as dominant. Problem is, will they patiently wait the few years it will take?
    As a SF, I have to say I’d be glad to see Torre go. He’s not a great manager, but then any other problem doesn’t stay calm in the storm to get them to the post-season.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 10:10 am
  • Can I suggest that folks not respond to the trolls? SF’s may be feeling great, but last I checked the Sox did nothing to end the Yankee season – there’s nothing to gloat over. It’s not 2006 or 2004 or 2003. No fanbase has anything on the other. If anything, no one was gloating in 2005 and if the Sox don’t play well, their season will end too.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 10:14 am
  • I deleted that antagonistic comment from a certain someone, who is banned and posting on a dynamic IP (so our banning ability is limited). Please, everyone, do you best to ignore the obvious inflammatory comments, BR is an irrelevant commenter as long as we treat the comments as such. Nobody, SF or YF alike, agrees with him.

    SF October 9, 2007, 10:15 am
  • Here’s a question for the group, did Torre make the right call in starting Wang last night? My apologies if this has already been covered

    rz-yf October 9, 2007, 10:18 am
  • rz-yf: On Wang, while it was a bad move in hindsight, I think chances were at least 50-50 that a start by Mussina could have gone just as badly and we would have been asking the same question in reverse. No # 1 starter should ever suck completely as Wang did in both games this ALDS. Having an off-day is one thing. Having two of the worst starts of your career at the most crucial time is not excusable nor the manager’s fault in my view at least.

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 10:20 am
  • ugh. What a bad series for Wang, Jeter and Posada. Not much else to write. I had a bad feeling about this series from the start.

    Nick-YF October 9, 2007, 10:21 am
  • 1000!

    Nick-YF October 9, 2007, 10:22 am
  • I am against making pitcher’s throw on short rest, especially in crucial games. I was a pitcher through High School and I had a mental block knowing that I did not have the rest that I needed. Of course that’s why professionals make the big bucks and I’m in IT now.
    Nevertheless, I would have gone with Moose. He had pitched several great starts in September (proving that he was good enough to make adjustments late in his career). Seeing Wang struggle so much in Game 1 turned me off to him quickly.

    Atheose October 9, 2007, 10:35 am
  • Agreed, IH
    I disagree, BRAW, I don’t think they’re done for a “very, very long time.” I think they’re done just to the start of next season. Then its tabula rasa, albeit with a very different team.

    rz-yf October 9, 2007, 10:38 am
  • Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy will be a very good rotation next year. I’m a SF and I’m willing to admit that I would be salivating if I were a New Yorker.

    Atheose October 9, 2007, 10:39 am
  • for what its worth….last night A-rod was busy exchanging autgraphed bats with Katic Couric DURING THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!! I kid not. I was sitting right there at first base as he came off the field, eyed her, and instructed the team security man (not rent a cop) to do something. Next thing two bats in sani socks appeared at Ms Couric’s seat. She signed one and kept the other. Like a contract…two originals…
    Really encouraging stuff to see when your team is down in crunch time.
    I wonder if he’ll be signing up for 08 and beyond that quickly?

    fan October 9, 2007, 10:39 am
  • ESPN showed what was actually a fairly interesting graphic in the leadup to yesterday’s game. Before last night, teams had won something like %36 of their playoff games when their starter had been brought back on short rest. I can’t recall the time period, but the sample size was close to 100 games; smallish, but not really THAT small. And when you consider that these starters are generally aces or twos…that’s a pretty telling stat.
    Still, sometimes you have to take a chance. I thought starting Wang was the right move for New York, particularly given his home splits. Mike Mussina was hardly an attractive alternative.

    Josh SF (D1) October 9, 2007, 10:40 am
  • rz-yf: The man of many names (but no insight, no respect from regulars here, and no knowledge of baseball pre-Oct ’04) forgets the following: Boston had a rebuilding year in 2006 in which they finished 3rd to Toronto. They have come back very much stronger. NY just had a rebuilding year in which they lost in the ALDS. Everyone on this site but him feels that their piching at least will be much stronger next year. Their almost 1,000-runs-producing offense may stay the same or change hugely depending on A-Rod’s decision. If he stays, only a fool would predict they are a worse team. Which explains perfectly why that particularly-discredited-poster predicts exactly that here.
    The ghosts of Carlton Fisk and Yogi Berra would be so ashamed. If they were ghosts at all that is.

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 10:44 am
  • “I thought starting Wang was the right move for New York, particularly given his home splits. Mike Mussina was hardly an attractive alternative.”
    I can’t disagree with you, Josh, but at the same time, Moose’s starts after he was placed in the pen were fairly decent, if memory serves correct.
    And Atheose, it’ll be nice to see our rotation match up better with yours next year

    rz-yf October 9, 2007, 10:45 am
  • Exactly, Atheose. The Yanks have lost the battle but they’ve shown they’re very ready to keep fighting the war. And their GM knows they can’t go out and sign a bunch of starters. I think the one worry they have is that neither Hughes or Joba will have enough innings to give a full season in the rotation next year. So they either try to make do with them and supplement as necessary from the lesser talents (Igawa, Karstens, etc) or trade Hughes or Joba plus Melky and more for Santana.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 10:47 am
  • Pete et al: The other big issue here, much more than Torre leaving in my view, is whether or not Cashman too gets the ax. If he does, then I get much less optimistic about the coming years because all the hope for the future that has been built up this year for me has been on the basis of the moves he did and didn’t make and the consolidation of his power over decision-making, which got guys like Gene Michaels taken seriously again within the orgnization. If that all gets reversed, then the future gets much more uncertain.

    Anonymous October 9, 2007, 10:50 am
  • “And a catcher that cares about D?”
    Excuse me? Stats, please.

    rz-yf October 9, 2007, 10:50 am
  • Sorry Pete et al – anon was me.

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 10:50 am
  • “If he stays, only a fool would predict they are a worse team.”
    …ehh. I wouldn’t predict it, but I would intimate the possibility. It’s way too early for this, though; there’s no telling what’ll happen over the winter and speculation is pointless for the moment…at least until there are some juicy trade rumors to digest.
    “Moose’s starts after he was placed in the pen were fairly decent, if memory serves correct.”
    Yeah, you’re right there. But Wang’s the Ace after all–well, besides AP–and Mussina the aging soft-tosser. No disrespect intended, but as much crap as Paul Byrd got last night, I really don’t think Moose’s stuff is demonstrably better, at least not anymore. Cleveland made a huge gamble and it paid off; it seems to me that Wang was less risky for NY.

    Josh SF (D1) October 9, 2007, 10:50 am
  • Why do people worry about a guy who can’t spell N-O-W?

    Pete October 9, 2007, 10:51 am
  • Pete: lol

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 10:53 am
  • Josh: Fair enough on predicting, but if the starting rotation is Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy/Mussina, and if A-Rod stays, then yeah, I will absolutely predict that they are going to be stronger going into the season then when they went in with the same line-up and a rotation that included Pavano and Igawa.

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 10:56 am
  • I think Cashman is safe for one more year. He obviously has a plan and I’m not sure Steinbrenner has complete control any ways. The “sons” will give him a chance to see how that plan works out.
    Meanwhile, I’m not convinced Torre is gone. Remember, it was the same story last year. And he did do a nice job of turning the team’s season around. And if I’m Torre’s supporters, I point out that the guy they would have hired to replace him (Pinella) had his team swept in the first round after management dropped over 200 million. Plus, the only thing glaring that I think Torre did worng is not leaving Hughes out there and rushing to bring in Joba. But that didn’t hurt them. The players – as Nick points out – didn’t perform. That’s not the manager’s fault.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 10:56 am
  • it’s unclear why anyone would want to ruin the friendly and civil conversation that goes on between most of the posters here. I guess some people are petty, mean-spirited, and unimaginitive. It only does a disservice to you if you engage such people because you are more interesting and have better things to do. Really, please disengage.
    Here’s the thing: Reading over this thread, I am blown away by the words of some of the SF posters. They recognize that this is a great sport precisely because it can be heartbreaking at times and uplifting at other times. I will enjoy the rest of the post-season. The good thing is that I won’t experience heart palpitations and angst. Of course, that is also the bad thing as well.

    Nick-YF October 9, 2007, 10:58 am
  • And if the Yanks trade for Santana, don’t they become a team to beat?
    Meanwhile, the Sox will have many questions of their own – Lowell, Schill, Manny. Even if they win it all, their management has shown little interest in keeping a winning team together. They could win another ring and all three could be gone.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:00 am
  • My only thing with the youth-movement in the rotation is that as great as it looks on paper, A: Injuries to young starters in their first season are quite common, and B: Won’t a few of these guys have pretty severe innings limitations? It’ll be fun to watch as it develops.
    “And if the Yanks trade for Santana, don’t they become a team to beat”
    They’re already a team to beat. Not THE team to beat, but A team to beat, if that makes any sense. And that’d cost a few of those young’uns they love so much, so who really knows what the team would look like afterwards. As for the Sox…they’re still in this, not really interested in looking at next season, personally. :-)

    Josh SF (D1) October 9, 2007, 11:03 am
  • I am against making pitcher’s throw on short rest
    I’m working on a piece that I’ll hopefully have up in the next day or two about the worst postseason pitching disasters in history. I’m getting together a Top 10, and almost invariably if the pticher in question who laid the egg is a good pitcher, the bad start came on short rest.

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 11:03 am
  • How’s this for a crazy deal:
    Buchholz + Crisp + Manny = 10 million for Santana?
    Sox only give up one of their young pitchers and help keep the Twins in contention. Meanwhile, they get a truly dominant starter and Ellsbury becomes the CF. And they could sign Andruw to play any OF position.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:06 am
  • They could win another ring and all three could be gone.
    And if they win a ring it will be because the front office made moves over the last three years to make that happen. You can’t have it both ways, Pete. If the Sox win it all, they will have won in part because the FO adapted after the 2004 championship and made several smart decisions leading to the team as we know it. Crapping on the FO in advance for breaking up a championship team seems kind of silly.

    SF October 9, 2007, 11:06 am
  • Meant “+ 10 million” – to help cover Manny’s salary.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:07 am
  • Uh oh, I’ve inadvertently found myself in a conversation with a troll.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:08 am
  • Even if they win it all, their management has shown little interest in keeping a winning team together.
    Which is good. Because the Sox wouldn’t be anywhere in 2007 if we had kept Pedro, Damon, Mueller, Millar, et al.
    As for the Yanks’ rotation next year, I’ll reiterate what I’ve said several times: If the Yankees are starting three rookies in their rotation on April 1, I will be a happy Sox fan. The chances are very good that only one will pan out.
    The Sox are just as much in on Santana as the Yankees. Buchholz, Lester and Crisp could indeed get that done, and I’d do it while re-signing Schilling: Beckett/Santana/Matsuzaka/Schilling/Wakefield (or Bowden or Masterson or Pauley, depending on spring training, health, etc.).
    But like Josh said, there will be plenty of time to discuss the Sox’ offseason. It hasn’t arrived just yet…

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 11:08 am
  • On Torre:
    I hope he is gone and that is not meant with any disrespect. I acknowledge that he was great for the Yanks these past many years and I appreciate how unmatched he is in terms of respect from everyone in the league. I think he is probably the best clubhouse manager in the game and is great with veterans and with the media. He is not a great in-game manager and neve has been. He was stronger in this regard when Zimmer was his bench coach – the last bench coach that Torre listened to rather than mentored a la Girardi, Mattingly, etc. And he is terrible with bullpen management.
    But the bigger issue is that he should go because any manager or coach with the same team for 12 years has been there too long. Torre’s style (loyalty to guys who have done it before/trust the regulars) has become more of a liability as those regulars have gotten older and older. It’s a standard liability of coaches with longevity in a place where they have early success.
    He is part (an invaluable part) of a team that looks back for its glory to years that are further and further back, rather than just focusing on the present and future. I think this every time I’m at the stadium and they flash great plays from ’96-’00 to try to “spur a comeback”. They did this last night ont he jumbotron with the words “Let’s Do It Again” and higlights form Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. I thought, how many of these guys are in a position to “do it again” since the vast majority were not even here???
    I loved those years and I like reliving them on Yanks Classics. I don’t like the two-tiered system the team has exhibited for 7 years now of “the guys who have done it” and “the guys who haven’t proved themselves yet”. This has only started to get broken down with the emergence of clutch performers (note Melky, Cano, Hughes, and Chamberlain this year) that Torre ended up going to only when he had no other choices left.
    I love Torre. And I think he should go.

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 11:11 am
  • Andruw Jones sucks. That is all. Absurdly overrated defender and I don’t think AL pitchers would have much trouble with him. I don’t want him, and definitely not on the multi-year deal he’s looking for. Think he and JD Drew will make a quality OF in a few years? I don’t.

    Josh SF (D1) October 9, 2007, 11:12 am
  • ugh, jesus.
    Here we go again.
    Pete the Red Sox are in the ALCS, had the best record in baseball, two candidates for ROY, the probably Cy Young, and two awesome run producers and threats in the middle of the lineup…when are you considering them a success story? What do they have to do to earn some respect? The Yanks have gotten more praise from you in the last two hours, and they’ve been eliminated from discussion. The Red Sox are every bit as tooled with young stars as the Yanks, so lets give some credit where it’s due.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 11:12 am
  • SF –
    I know and you’re right. Still, we have to get through the next two weeks. And Becks still has to keep performing at his career ceiling. And I better never see Gag in pivotal spot.
    I will say I’ve thought a lot about trading Buck for Santana and the big difference there is that it would be pitching for pitching whereas Becks for Hanley was imbalanced based on their positions.
    Where to give the FO props? In their payroll flexibility. Problem is they’d be much more flexible had they never signed Drew and Lugo.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:13 am
  • I agree one thousand percent, Paul. Not one of them, outside of a Joba closer which won’t happen, is a lock, especially in the first full year.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 11:13 am
  • Sorry – posted the Torre comment on the wrong thread…

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 11:16 am
  • Problem is they’d be much more flexible had they never signed Drew and Lugo.
    How can you possibly know this?! Did the Varitek deal (a big deal at the time) prevent them from going after Daisuke, Drew, Lugo? Did the Renteria deal prevent them from going after Beckett and extending him? What contracts have hindered the Sox from going after players the past few years? I see no evidence that any contract has hindered the Sox and created inflexibility. There’s just no evidence of this, anywhere.
    If the Sox have a personnel issue, they will deal with it through off-loading a player with subsidy or a straight trade. And even if you want to make assumptions about the finances of the club, then one has to admit that they have a TON of flexibility due to the vast number of young players making close to the minimum.

    SF October 9, 2007, 11:17 am
  • Brad –
    Sorry, Becks doesn’t and shouldn’t win the CY. Sabathia had the better year – more innings and better numbers.
    Pedroia is a legit ROY. And the front office deserves props for believing in him. But they had no idea what they were getting with Okajima.
    And Brad, I predicted the Sox in the World Series and just about winning it (after predicting their sweep). I don’t know how much more positive I can get.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:17 am
  • SF –
    Another fair point. I think they realized exactly that – the free agency pickings weren’t going to get much better in the future so they might as well spend now. Still, I know I’d rather Andruw than Drew. And Rentaria than Lugo.
    And I do admit the flexibility – they’ve done a marvelous job there.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:20 am
  • Pete if it were up to you, we wouldn’t be having this Beckett conversation ever, because the Red Sox would still have Hanley, and be out of the playoffs altogether. But, whatever. Hate all you want, he’s every bit as good as CC (he was on the DL this year), and has just as good a chance to garnish the award.
    I’m done. We both know where we stand, so there’s no sense in arguing about it.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 11:23 am
  • But they had no idea what they were getting with Okajima.
    And this is a strike against them, how? Did they not scout Okajima and sign him? Would they have signed him if they had not expected him to succeed? Did he not then succeed? It’s statements like that that make people doubt that you are what you say you are, Pete. No, you don’t have to prove anything, but you exhibit what appears to be a pathological hatred for the Red Sox’ FO to the point that you look for ways to discredit their most notable successes.
    I agree I’d rather have Renteria, but no, I’d take Drew over Jones. I agree with Josh that Jones is absurdly overrated — moreso as a defender, but other than his one 50-homer season, he’s shown me very little to be excited about. Consider his struggles this season, then consider him trying to adjust to AL pitchers next season. Pass.

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 11:33 am
  • Brad –
    I assume you just want to have a disagreement today?
    I’m not convinced they would be out of the post-season. If they made Hanley an untouchable, they could have found another way with a player of dynastic propostions. Who knows of course? My only point has always been the Sox “lost” that trade because Becks’ performance wasn’t where it needed to be, not even this year. But I’ve also said if he continues to pitch better in the post-season then I’ll promptly STFU no matter what happens in subsequent seasons. If not, then he’s fair game in my book with the knowledge that a 140 ERA+ is a stepping stone and not an end goal.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:37 am
  • I agree on Jones as well, though he would supply an awesome treat defensively. I always wanted him, but his struggles this year makes me rethink that.
    Also, I’m more than fine with Drew and Lugo. They were both part of a team that is getting ready to play in the ALCS and had the best record in baseball… how freaking much more do we want? An all-star at every single position? No thanks, I’ll take a role player or two. Jeez.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 11:41 am
  • No, Pete. I don’t want an argument. You continue to shit on Beckett, the front office, and everything Red Sox, and it’s just old is all. How much better can they all play to make you happy?

    Anonymous October 9, 2007, 11:43 am
  • Beckett
    Hanley Ramirez
    Buck should have been a RP
    Gagne is the devil
    George Kottaras is the next Pudge
    Don’t you get tired of talking about the same things over and over and over again? If you really are a Sox fan (and I doubt that as I have stated before) why wouldn’t you focus on being 4 games from the WS? Unreal.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 9, 2007, 11:45 am
  • If not, then he’s fair game in my book with the knowledge that a 140 ERA+ is a stepping stone and not an end goal.
    I’m not sure what this means. Are you saying a 140 ERA+ isn’t good enough, or is that the level he must achieve before the trade is a “win” in your mind?
    At any rate, what pitcher could the Sox have received without giving up Ramirez? Beckett is 27. He’s got at LEAST four more years of prime left. He’s not at traditional peak age. Find me a pitcher like that who’s been available in the last three seasons that would have cost less than Ramirez. Oh, and the Sox got an All-Star, Gold Glove, 120 RBI third baseman in the deal, too. Or does that not count because the Sox didn’t know he would be that good?

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 11:46 am
  • also, how the hell could he pitch any BETTER in the post-season?
    Just give him the freaking credit he deserves. He’s done nothing but get better since coming here.
    The Yankees have a great short-stop, and not ace….where are they right now? How far did that great short-stop take them this week? Do you think Joe Torre would have rather used Beckett last night? It’s crazy, man. Bats mean nothing without pitching – how many times do we need to see it?

    Anonymous October 9, 2007, 11:46 am
  • me.
    Sorry.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 11:48 am
  • Either Brad and Paul have the thinest skins around or their homerism just can’t let any opinion lie unchallenged, no matter how minor or the surrounding context…
    Paul –
    Please – no one could have predicted the level of success for Okajima. And no one would be surprised if it disappeared just as quickly. But for all of their scouting, no one noticed he hasn’t topped 55 innings in many years? His abuse this years reached absurd proportions.
    As for Drew/Jones and defense:
    Jones in CF: 106 RATE in career/ 99 RATE in 2007
    Drew in RF: 102 RATE in career/ 94 RATE in 2007
    So let’s see: Andruw is a better defender in CF than Drew is in RF, but the latter is better overall? And Jones seems to have the better arm too – with many, many more OF assists.
    Besides, everyone knew Drew was a piss ant. And he’s shown exactly that. Andruw doesn’t have the best personality, but I think playing in Boston would energize him – he’s not a stiff.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:49 am
  • Pete, honestly what gives? You discount every success the FO has made, and overemphasize every mistake. The Red Sox have the best record in baseball, and are hitting on all cylinders now in the playoffs. What more do you want?
    There are always mistakes. Deal with them and move on.

    Atheose October 9, 2007, 11:50 am
  • Pete: you and i have never had a beef and I really don’t want one. But if you were a Yankee fan you’d drive me crazy.
    Criticizing your own team is not the issue – most of us here do it and if anythign I think it’s a sign of maturity and some objectivity. But from all the posting I’ve seen over the weeks, the only passionate tone in any of your posts has been the Sox-bashing ones, never the Sox-did-great ones. On the latter, you seem to exhibit a distanced-rationalism (i.e. “I picked them to go to the WS”) while on the former you are seemingly always worked up and 75% of your posts seem to be in this vein.
    I’d agree with some that you are a Yankee-fan-in-disguise, but I don’t think that would be fun to pull off in such a nuanced way so I believe you are an SF. I just don’t understand how down you can be on a team that right now, has to be the odds-on-favorite to win it all.

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 11:51 am
  • their homerism just can’t let any opinion lie unchallenged
    Besides, everyone knew Drew was a piss ant. And he’s shown exactly that.
    These two statements are asinine. There’s no other word for it. Our conversations are over.

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 11:53 am
  • Ironhorse–thanks for the help. I’m glad a YF notices something wrong with Woost–errr, I mean Pete.

    Atheose October 9, 2007, 11:53 am
  • No, not thin skinned at all. You continue to shit on one of the best aces in baseball, and when you need to, you turn to VORP or some other stat to back your argument, cherry-picking whatever you can to make a point.
    I’m sick of it. You hate everything the front office has done, you never give credit without following it by a back-handed slap at something else, you do nothing short of kneeling at the New York alter, and you continually push buttons when you have no room to do so.
    Also, you leave Lowell out of the equation every single time (not that it needs him anyhow).
    Could you please just come clean here. At least we could all respect that.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 11:55 am
  • People wonder why I argue my opinions? Look at the absurd level of knee-jerking I’m getting. SF makes fair points and I agree with them but somehow all I do is crap ion the team?. I predicted the Sox sweep and their hopefully impending rings and somehow I hate everything Sox?
    Please get some perspective people…
    Never said Becks could get better in this post-season. He was fantastic and hopefully will keep it up. Next year I’m looking for a further step forward. But if he brings home a ring and just stays consistent, in my book call me satisfied.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 11:56 am
  • The Red Sox are the best team in baseball. Speaking in broad generalities, that means the Front Office did more good than bad. When it comes down to it, that’s all that matters. As Ironhorse said the Sox are 4 games away from playing World Series baseball in Boston, yet you still find ways to bring up Hanley. Hilarious.

    Atheose October 9, 2007, 11:56 am
  • Or, maybe I’m just a thin-skinned homer for not thinking they’ve done too bad, or that Beckett has been absolutely awesome this year, or, and this is a long shot, they’re a well-constructed team that is on the verge of going to the playoffs.
    I still contend that you are hoping with all your might that Beckett gets pounded, Drew gets hurt, Manny goes hitless, and Gagne blows a game so you can say “told you so”.
    I know you’re upset over the Yankee loss and all, but really, it’s freaking old here, man.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 11:59 am
  • edit: verge of the world series I mean.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:00 pm
  • Even if they win it all, their management has shown little interest in keeping a winning team together. They could win another ring and all three could be gone.
    Posted by: Pete | Tuesday, October 09, 2007 at 11:00 AM

    That’s how this started. Out of nowhere. And it escalated from there.
    Here’s a fun exercise: Name three things you think the Sox FO has done right since Epstein was hired in 2002/03 (after which the Sox have made the postseason in every year but one and won the World Series).

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 12:00 pm
  • Atheose –
    The Yankees had the best record for a few years and nothing came of it. I don’t think that’s anything to hang your hat on.
    Like I said, they win a ring, I’ll promptly STFU. But deep down, I don’t want one (or two) – I want a dynasty. And from this FO, I don’t see dynastic thinking across the board. It’s flashes of smart decisions mixed with incredibly short-sighted ones.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 12:03 pm
  • Next year I’m looking for a further step forward.
    See, I’ll take three or four more years just like this one. That will have been an all-time great deal for the Sox, if it pans out that way, trading a non-sure thing AA ball player for five years of an elite ML starter (and a near team-MVP third baseman as a throw-in, to boot).
    Glad to know Beckett has to improve on being one of the three or four best starters in the AL to satisfy you, Pete. Your expectations are quite absurd.

    SF October 9, 2007, 12:06 pm
  • Jesus Christ.
    Out of freaking control.
    They are on the verge of their third ALCS in four years, and the chance to win their second WS in the same time, but somehow, their long term view of winning hasn’t been good enough for you.
    Amazing.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:07 pm
  • On Sox prospects the rest of the way, I think they are the best team, but I also think the pitching match-ups for the coming week are pretty compelling. The schedule allows for Sabathia and Carmona X 2 each. Not only their games against NY in the ALDS, but even their regular season performances make me think Carmona is the ace now. The matchups between them and Beckett SHOULD be epic and those with any of the other Boston starters and one or the otehr of these two should favor Cleveland. Of course, Boston’s offense outclasses Cleveland’s as does its closer and all starters after the #2 guy. But those top pitchign matchups should make for some great pitching duels.

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 12:08 pm
  • That’s because he’s a Yankee fan. We all know, we’ve all called him on it, and he continues to bitch out on admitting it. Those expectations come from the other side of the fence, where everything short of a world series is a failure.
    I mean, he compared Lowell to Brosious. Enough said.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:09 pm
  • I don’t see dynastic thinking across the board.
    Which must be why they traded all their young pitch– oh, wait.
    Well, it must be why they’ve missed the pla– wait, no.
    You do realize that the Yankees are the only team in 30 years to have a dynasty, don’t you? And that the game’s parity has increased exponentially since then? So what you’re really doing is criticizing the Sox’ FO for not being lucky enough to have a dynasty. Sounds like good reasoning to me.

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 12:11 pm
  • And from this FO, I don’t see dynastic thinking across the board
    Pete:
    Not to put too fine a point on this, but this is a moronic statement. I don’t want this to be taken as calling YOU a moron, clearly you are not that. But “dynastic thinking”? What the f*ck is that, even? What team thinks “dynastically”? The Patriots? The Yankees? The Patriots, a “dynasty” (to use an awful term, as we’ve discussed here before), famously let Deion Branch go for draft picks, still made the AFC Championship. They let Lawyer Milloy go for nothing, and still won a title. These are moves that if the Sox made you’d KILL them for, but which show more foresight and intelligence than anything, but which don’t fit the “dynastic” attitude you so desire.

    SF October 9, 2007, 12:12 pm
  • The Bush and Clinton families exhibit “dynastic” thinking…

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 12:16 pm
  • Brad –
    How many players from 2004 are on this team?
    Sorry, that’s not a dynasty. It’s restocking without losing value and that IS a nifty trick. Sure, lots of accolades. Bravo!
    SF –
    A very good (shudder to use only the word “good”) starting pitcher is not as valuable as a top of his generation SS. That’s a fact. And Becks inconsistency is also a fact. But how many times do I have to say that I’ll STFU about it if he brings home a ring? It won’t matter much what happens afterwards, though in 2011 other people may still crow about the trade if he doesn’t keep it up while Hanley most certainly will. Position players develop at much more consistent lines than pitchers.
    Meanwhile, I’ve already been proven right on Gagne and Buchholz in spite of the friction I received here. I’m VERY comfortable in my opinions, thanks. And one of those is the Sox win the ALCS in six games.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 12:16 pm
  • Dynastic thinking is not trading Hanley or Beltre (and most certainly not for a relief pitcher rental) cause you never know the one that will become a Jeter or Bernie.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 12:19 pm
  • But how many times do I have to say that I’ll STFU about it if he brings home a ring?
    You would have had a hell of a time with Ted Williams.

    SF October 9, 2007, 12:20 pm
  • Who should they have kept?
    Millar?
    Pedro?
    Damon?
    Guy, letting those guys go was an essential move to ensure that they’re able to win in the future, and not waste money and time on people that are not going to continue to produce. Sometimes, retooling the right way, which they HAVE DONE, is the way to win. They have shown us that. Yes, there was a down year, yet here they are, right back in the mix for another title.
    Who should they have kept that would have qualified for “dynastic thinking”? Pedro? Kapler?
    I’m listening.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:20 pm
  • SF –
    Decent wide receivers are very cheap but not so cheap as to be completely ignored. And Billy learned the hard way.

    Pete October 9, 2007, 12:22 pm
  • Ah, the Jeter and Bernie comparisons yet again.
    Unbelievable.
    You’re too much man. I’m resided to believe that you’re sitting in your yankee chair, posting on LoHud right now, sipping green tea from your Scooter mug. I can’t take you seriously any longer. Well, not that I ever really have because you are the ONLY person on earth that would rather have Hanley than Lowell and Beckett.
    Doesn’t it strike you as odd that every fan on this board, on both sides, has asked you to stop acting like you’re something you’re clearly not.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:24 pm
  • The Beckett trade worked out marvelously for us–our best pitcher and team MVP came in that deal. We are now in the ALCS because of it, because let’s be honest: Lowell carried this team offensively, and Beckett carried it defensively. Therefore, it was a good move.

    Atheose October 9, 2007, 12:26 pm
  • SF –
    The ring isn’t the only standard. But for Beckett, after this “very” good year, it’s enough for me. Still, he’ll have a hard time of it if he has another sub-100 ERA+ year and the Sox miss the playoff.
    Brad –
    Who among the 2004 team? To say so now, based on what we know, wold be a silly argument. But at the time, I thought Cabrera, Damon, and Pedro. Looking back, relative to their other moves, only Pedro would have been the clear mistake.
    Sorry, it’s been fun. But I get to go have dinner with my beautiful wife in Italy. Sucks not having baseball to stay up to 4 am.
    Till next time…

    Pete October 9, 2007, 12:27 pm
  • Brad, I think it’s safe to say we should all ignore Woost. It’s just annoying us, when we SHOULD be focusing our energy on the ALCS.

    Atheose October 9, 2007, 12:28 pm
  • Meanwhile, I’ve already been proven right on Gagne and Buchholz
    Funny because what you SAID was the Sox didn’t need Gagne. And that was wrong.

    Paul SF October 9, 2007, 12:28 pm
  • yes but would you trade Jeter for an average pitcher and Brosious? That’s how you MUST judge this deal.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:29 pm
  • So, now we can’t give the credit for having the hindsight to see that those moves were not good ones to make? Again, no credit where it’s due. They just cheaped out on all of them, I’m sure. They didn’t see any downside to signing any of those players.
    That’s stupid, Pete. No matter how you look at it, the Sox made exactly the right moves with that ’04 team once it was over, and it’s paying off for them, if not a “dynasty” (you already enjoyed one of those, remember?), a very well constructed long term team.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 12:33 pm
  • I’m confused … what good has Gagne done the Sox?

    Ron Newman (SF) October 9, 2007, 1:44 pm
  • Gagne ended up being a bust, but we DID need another relief arm. That’s Paul’s point.

    Atheose October 9, 2007, 1:56 pm
  • Gagne will be a bust when the chips fall, but until then, I’ll just say he’s not done well so far. If Gagne goes out in the next series, or better in the world series, and throws four or five shutout innings in a few key spots, I’ll forget all about his August.

    Brad October 9, 2007, 2:21 pm
  • Little late to the game here, but I’m kind of amazed that Pete doesn’t see the continuity between the 2004 and 2007 Red Sox. Sure, there’s been turnover, but Manny and Papi are still the heart of the lineup, Tek is still spreading his intangible juices all over the plate, and Wake and Schill are still two fifths of the rotation. Hell, even Timlin is still our requisite good ol boy in the pen. That’s 3 key position players, 2 starting pitchers, and a reliever.
    By contrast, look at the 1996 vs. 99 Yanks – Only 4 position players (Tino, Jeter, O’Neil and Bernie), 2 starters (Pettitte and Cone), and 2 relievers (Nelson and Mo) survived.
    So apparently the difference between a dynasty and a non-dynasty is 4 vs. 3 position players and 2 vs. 1 reliever. Who knew?

    Tyrel SF October 9, 2007, 4:56 pm
  • “Tek is still spreading his intangible juices all over the plate”
    Why do I feel dirty after reading this?

    IronHorse (yf) October 9, 2007, 4:58 pm
  • Atheose –
    Right, they DID need a relief arm. Too bad he tossed a no-hitter in his second major league start and is now watching the playoffs on TV. And trading Beltre for three months of Gagne is inexcusable, especially before seeing if Buck or Delcarmen could handle the job.
    Tyrel –
    You forgot Posada. And I wouldn’t call Papi a position player seeing as he rides the bench for half of the World Series. So yeah, 5 position players versus 2.5 – yeah, I’d call that significant. Meanwhile, three of the Yanks’ five were at the three most important defensive positions. And Mo Rivera is in a different league from Mike Timlin. With Paps, Hanley, Ells, and Pedroia, the Sox could have had a fantastic core going forward. Without Hanley, they lost the second most valuable player in baseball.

    Pete October 10, 2007, 7:14 am
  • “You forgot Posada.”
    No I didn’t. Posada played in only 8 games in ’96. But I did forget Youk, who played in 72 games but didn’t play in the post-season.
    And if you only consider Ortiz half a player, then it’s obvious you haven’t been paying much attention for the last five years. He and Manny are the heart of this little thing we’ve had going.

    Tyrel SF October 10, 2007, 11:27 am
  • “they lost the second most valuable player in baseball”
    The Sox lost Albert Pujols?

    IronHorse (yf) October 10, 2007, 11:31 am
  • VORP! VORP!
    Rememeber, we can’t take into account that he hits against objectively the worst pitchers in baseball in the NL East, in front of a young Manny Ramirez, plays in a city with absolutely no pressure (or fan base to speak of) whatsoever, and hasn’t shown that he’s capable of carrying a team the way Lowell (and Beckett has) yet. See Florida has a great young SS, but no pitching to speak of, which ultimately results in not making the playoffs and not even sniffing a world series. But, we should be upset we got a Cy Young contender (and probable winner) and Mike Lowell.
    VORP!

    Brad October 10, 2007, 12:06 pm
  • Also see : New York, Philadelphia, the other New York, and countless other teams with great six holes, no pitching, and an open schedule for the rest of this month.

    Brad October 10, 2007, 12:14 pm
  • Edit: The Yankees do have some pitching, or at least positive futures, but just not enough this year. No offense meant to that staff, which simply didn’t show up for them when they needed them to.

    Brad October 10, 2007, 12:16 pm
  • And I wouldn’t call Papi a position player seeing as he rides the bench for half of the World Series
    Splitting hairs, considering the Yankees’ DH wasn’t consistent between 1996 and 1999. Tyrel’s point is an excellent one, and your attempt to refute it sounds pretty desperate, Pete. If the Sox win in 2007, they won;t have a dynasty, but it will be arguably the “same” ballclub — same offensive leaders, same management, same front office. The main difference of note is the closer and the ace starter. in this day, it’s very rare to see the majority of a team stay together for more than two years at a time, which is why the whole concept of “dynasty” is tenuous.

    Paul SF October 10, 2007, 12:20 pm
  • Dear God, Please cancel FrankTV. It hurts. It hurts so much. Make it stop.

    Anonymous November 16, 2007, 11:02 pm

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