Goodbye Alex, Hello Joe?

The Yankees are in the market for a third baseman and Brian Cashman is already hard at work trying to fill that giant hole.  Last week the rumors were centered around Adrian Beltre, this week it’s Joe Crede.  The rumor mill has Johnny Damon going to the White Sox for Joe Crede.  Damon is under contract through 2009 at $13 million per season.  Crede will become a free agent after the 2008 season and he currently makes $4.94 million per season. If that deal did take place, the Yankees would probably need to send some cash the White Sox way.  If the rumors are true, it’s a deal Cashman should not hesitate to make.  Crede gives the Yankees a gold glove caliber third baseman and clears up some of that log jam in the outfield and DH.  It also gets most, if not all of Damon’s contract off the books.  But the real reason I like the trade is because Crede’s numbers resemble those of a Yankee fan favorite from the not so distant past. 

Here’s a look at their career numbers:

Scott Brosius – .257 BA  .323 OBP  .422 SLG  141 HR’s (11 Seasons)  531 RBI  .956 career F% at 3B   

Joe Crede –      .259 BA  .305 OBP  .446 SLG  108 HR’s (8 Seasons)    367 RBI  .968 career F% at 3B

Crede has more power then Brosius and has a slightly better glove, but overall their numbers are pretty similar.  In the four seasons where Crede posted over 400 at bats, he averaged 23 homeruns per season.  In those same four seasons Crede averaged 11.5 errors per season at third base.  In the six seasons that Brosius posted over 400 at bats, he averaged 16 homeruns per season and 14 errors per season.  Crede will turn 30 at the start of the 2008 season, Scott Brosius was 31 when he joined the Yankees.  Brosius replaced Hall of Famer Wade Boggs, Crede would be replacing future Hall of Famer Alex Rodriguez.  Scott Brosius also enjoyed his best seasons in the major leagues as a Yankee.  Let’s hope that if this trade does come to fruition Joe Crede can say the same.



23 comments… add one
  • No offense, but I think I’ll take a pass on that .300 OBP.

    YF November 4, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • Adrian Beltre’s career OBP .327
    Wilson Betemit’s OBP in his only full season (373 AB’s) .326
    Mike Lamb’s career OBP .339 (with no seasons over 400 AB’s)
    I will take the defense over the slight OBP advantage some of the other candidates have. Plus getting rid of a aging CF/LF/DH has to count for something.

    John - YF November 4, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • I don’t suppose this would be a good time to remind that Brosius’ time with the Yanks coincided with an in-his-prime Bernie patrolling CF and excellent production out of first base? Ergo, unless 1B can be improved considerably, Brosius v2.0 is probably not a great idea at this time?

    yankeemonkey November 5, 2007, 12:00 am
  • Hmm, replace all-world offense with recently injured (back surgery, no less) player who has one above-average season (though an undeniably terrific glove) in the last five years?
    Go for it!
    If I’m the White Sox, and the Yankees are offering to pay for Johnny Damon to replace Joe Crede’s offense, I think I’d jump at it. Even with his injuries last season, Damon had yet another year — sixth straight — (97 OPS+) that was better than Joe Crede’s career average (92). Damon hasn’t had an OPS+ under 92 since 2001. The one thing would be where to play Damon? He should be a 1B/DH, but the ChiSox already have Thome and Konerko at those spots. He could replace Podsednik’s spotty production in left, I suppose.

    Paul SF November 5, 2007, 1:10 am
  • Also, if these rumors are sparking so quickly, that would seem to indicate the Yankees believe they have little chance at signing Mike Lowell — good news for the Sox, who stand to pay him a lot less if the Yanks are out of the bidding.

    Paul SF November 5, 2007, 1:13 am
  • Crede’s stats are odd. Normally, one would think that a lifetime .259 batting average that has some power would strike out a lot. But he doesn’t. However, he also doesn’t walk a lot which accounts for his poor OBP. In short, he’s basically a free swinging contact hitter who makes a ton of outs.

    Jay-YF November 5, 2007, 8:57 am
  • I basically agree with Paul. This trade on its own would be bad for the Yanks. I’m not too excited about getting Crede, who is coming off of back surgery and is a mediocre bat. It’s basically a salary dump. It might make sense to make if the Yanks are clearing salary and roster space for a run at Andruw Jones, Rowand or Humter.
    Re: Lowell. I think any contract the Yanks sign Lowell to would be preposterously high and probably not very good. He’s going to be good for a couple more years, but I worry about his age. That said, the Yanks should at least make a play at beng interested in him to boost the price and years on the Sox.

    Nick-YF November 5, 2007, 10:04 am
  • Guess what: the Yanks already have a Joe Crede clone under contract, one of their top picks from last year’s draft, Texas’s own Brad Suttle.’s scouting report: “Suttle has a Joe Crede body type.” Also, back problems!
    Actually, looks like Suttle might be more of an on-base guy than a power guy. Ideally you’d like both at a corner infield position, but he’s a developing story. Anyway, someone to keep in mind.

    YF November 5, 2007, 10:27 am
  • I know Crede is not A-Rod, but I also know that the options are thin. The thing that scares me most about the other options (Lamb, Betemit) is that it’s unknown what 400+ AB’s will bring. Lamb has only played one season (2000) where he logged over 400 AB’s. He hit 6 HR’s, batted .278, OBP .328 (in Texas) and made 33 errors at 3B. Crede gives you very good defense and the possibility of 20+ HR’s. I am biased though, I really like the way Crede plays the game, it goes deeper then numbers.
    Lowell is a great player, but the length of the contract scares me. Miguel Cabrera’s price is too high.

    John - YF November 5, 2007, 10:28 am
  • Miguel Cabrera might be more valuable than Albert Pujols. Certainly, he’s in the discussion of the most valuable young offensive player going. As much as I want the Yanks to keep Hughes, I’d understand them trading him for Cabrera.
    Lamb/Betemit, as a platoon, probably is stronger offensively than Crede. Crede’s value is defensive, which I don’t think those two approach.

    Nick-YF November 5, 2007, 10:46 am
  • There’s a lot of talk all of a sudden about Cabrera’s work ethic/attitude/shape. Any validity to this, I wonder, and does that change the way he’s viewed as the next potential A-Rod (in terms of elite production from a young player sustained over a decade-plus)?

    Paul SF November 5, 2007, 11:13 am
  • I don’t see a Lamb/Betemit platoon working. Reason being Lamb bats lefty and Betemit’s best side is left. If the platoon means Betemit plays against lefties, Lamb against righties, I want no part of that.
    Betemit (L) Vs. RHP .227 13 HR .341 OBP
    Betemit (R) Vs. LHP .239 1 HR .300 OBP
    Cabrera is very very good, no doubting that. The biggest problem from what everyone has to say about him is his work ethic and physical condition. Long term he is not a 3Bman, not at his current growth rate. As for trading Hughes or Chamberlain, unless we are getting back a Josh Beckett type shut down starter, I would not do the deal. We need a dominant starter a heck of a lot more then an all-star 3Bman.

    John - YF November 5, 2007, 11:21 am
  • im gonna take a pass on trading hughes for cabrera. The yankees need to make up for A-Rod’s loss by strengthening the team’s pitching. The loss of Hughes is much bigger than the gain Cabrera could bring, esp. with the pitching available on the market this winter.
    Also, in reference to a point that Paul made earlier. I dont think that the presence of a rumor involving a 3b tells us anything at all about the yankees’ chances or interest in getting Lowell. For starters, its a rumor and thats all, we have no idea of its validity. Even if it was valid, it could be a back up plan, etc.

    sam-YF November 5, 2007, 11:23 am
  • John, you’re rigth about Lamb, For some reason I thought he was a righty bat. That said, what about a Betemit/Ensberg platoon?

    Nick-YF November 5, 2007, 11:32 am
  • I would laugh so friggin’ hard if the Yankees traded Damon for any reason.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF November 5, 2007, 11:54 am
  • Starting pitching is infinitely harder to locate than anything/everything else. And the best pitching team always wins in October.
    Given this I too can not see trading either Hughes or Chamberlain for a position player.
    Trading a strong pitching prospect, when you have several of them, is fine, and the Yankees are in positio to do so even after they slot Hughes, Chamberlain, and possibly Kennedy into the rotation in ’08, but I wouldn’t touch the top two guys for a position player.

    IronHorse (yf) November 5, 2007, 11:54 am
  • Would you trade Hughes or Joba for Pujols?

    Nick-YF November 5, 2007, 11:55 am
  • Also, in reference to a point that Paul made earlier. I dont think that the presence of a rumor involving a 3b tells us anything at all about the yankees’ chances or interest in getting Lowell.
    I agree completely with Sam. Just because the Yanks may be toying around with trading Damon for Crede doesn’t mean they’re pursuing Lowell any less–it just means they are entertaining multiple options. Which, obviously, is a good idea in a baseball market where anything is certain.

    Atheose November 5, 2007, 11:59 am
  • Oh, and there’s no way the Yankees trade Hughes (and more) for Cabrera. They’ve gotten dozens of trade offers for Hughes in the last two years, and have waiting on him too long to give up now.

    Atheose November 5, 2007, 12:00 pm
  • Well, I made that comment thinking the rumors were a little more solid than just the NY Daily News columnist throwing speculation out there — which is about all I’ve been able to find. In which case, I agree, you can’t really determine anything by the presence of a rumor, particularly not a media-created one (as opposed to one with some kind of team sourcing).
    Though the word is Kenny Williams wants to trade quickly. So if Crede is to be traded to NYY, it would probably happen sooner rather than later, which also would benefit the Sox.

    Paul SF November 5, 2007, 12:19 pm
  • Santana!

    Lar November 5, 2007, 3:46 pm
  • As someone who has watched Crede play for most of his time here in the Sox, I think he’s a great third baseman. He gets hits in tight spots, plays great third base, is very consistent. You always get exactly the same thing from him, a type of stability that is always valuable.
    To repeat: he’s not a great bat and the back problems may be the start of something bad, but he was very durable before and might as well continue. Cabrera is obviously the bigger bat and the bigger upside, but a much riskier move considering his “variable interest level” and his high price tag (considering what the Yankees would lose.)
    In that sense, Crede would be the safe choice. If you decide that Damon will have a diminished role in the Abreu, Melky, Matsui outfield, that Giambi is going to take the DH role, and Mient is taking the 1B role, if you are happy with that alignment, then isn’t Damon dispensable? And if you think so, and you can trade his contract for a steady, cheap and decent 3B, doesn’t that kill two birds with one stone?
    Not every move need be a blockbuster, but it can create a stability (and financial flexibility) that helps in the long run.

    Carlos November 5, 2007, 5:45 pm
    Here is where I found out about the trade.

    John - YF November 5, 2007, 9:18 pm

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