Gutter Journalism


How ironic – the New York Post continues their ill-fated "Mini Balls" promotion* at the  exact same time they advocate drilling Big Papi, basically saying "hurt him".  We find out the truth: it’s often the sportswriters who accuse the players of being gutless who are the ones with no stones, the cowards.

*when they get to Giambi are the souvenirs anatomically correct?  I mean, we all know what steroids do.

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  • Not only is this classless and loathesome, it also shows a really poor knowledge of the game. Ortiz would not become intimidated because plunking him would be an admission of defeat by the Yankees pitchers. Duh.
    Plus, Ortiz is one of the most focused batters in the league, meaning he doesn’t stay flustered by bad calls, bad swings, or any other kind of distraction. Anyone who has watched Ortiz regularly has seen this, whether you root for him or not. He’s not John Freakin’ Kruk against the Big Eunuch in the All-Star Game.

    airk May 9, 2006, 12:01 pm
  • Mini balls. I guess they didn’t fire that copy editor from the last time . . .
    And hey, why not IBB Papi if you’re so afraid of him? Oh right, it’s the Yankees. Like a spoiled child – the toy you want and can’t have, you want to break so no one else can have him either.

    rk May 9, 2006, 12:02 pm
  • I dare them to hit Papi, seriously. What an idiot this writer is.
    1. Papi does not crowd the plate despite what people think. He’s only been hit 9 times in 4 years.
    2. Papi feasts on low and inside pitches, you pitch him inside to brush him back make a mistake, it will be a 450 foot mistake.
    3. Hurt him, intentionally, even a little bit and you put Arod’s life on the line.
    4. RJ has a great record against Papi; it’s stupid for him to put Papi on base.
    5. Put Papi on base for Manny? Yeah, brilliant idea.
    6. He wears body armor to the plate for a reason; you will only make him angry.
    I could go on and on, but from every baseball angle, hitting Papi or even brushing him back is a bad idea.

    LocklandSF May 9, 2006, 12:21 pm
  • Hee hee, this all reminds me of that line about Mungo in Blazing Saddles (though, of course, Ortiz is not mindless like that big guy): “Don’t shoot him, you’ll just make him mad.”

    Devine May 9, 2006, 12:29 pm
  • 2nd to last paragraph of the article, which has conveniently not been cited once in any discusison of this that I have seen.
    “Nobody else has done that. Not once. Look, no one is suggesting the Yankees aim at Ortiz’ head, or his ribs, and nobody is suggesting they should be looking to injure Ortiz – or even give him a free base by plunking him in his posterior. But the Yankees have treated Papi as if it’s suddenly against the law to move a man off the plate. Clemens called it “plate coverage.” The rest of us lay men call it a “comfort zone.””
    The point of the article is to say, dont let him get to comfortable at the plate. Pitch him inside. True page makes it look very sensationalistic, but its not really. Its a fact of baseball.

    NYYFan in Boston May 9, 2006, 12:30 pm
  • No, that last paragraph is a copout, a way for the writer to say “see, I am not advocating drilling Ortiz or hurting him” when in fact that’s exactly what he’s saying. The writer is suggesting to throw inside, brush him back, aim at his body, many times, to make him uncomfortable, a euphemism for exactly what this idiot says he isn’t suggesting. That paragraph is his BS get-out-of-jail-free card, and he knows it.
    And I want to make sure that I am being clear here: I am not calling any Yankees fans cowards. I am calling out these media hacks who find themselves in a position to talk tough, to spout this crap about how the Yankees have to get tough. That’s so darn easy. Vaccaro, unlike A-Rod, or Jeter, or Matsui, doesn’t have to step to the plate after Ortiz gets thrown at. It’s easy for him (or Massarotti, or Shaughnessy for that matter) to call out players like this when they have nothing on the line.

    SF May 9, 2006, 12:35 pm
  • With the implications of a call for plunking on one hand, and that second to last paragraph on the other hand, and then calling Randy to be tough and mean, and then saying he has tiny balls . . . I’m just confused. Or maybe the writers are.
    How bout this. The Big Unit, in a fit of anger over the mini balls snub, sends some “high heat” into the press box and plunks these idiots. That’s something both dugouts could applaud.

    rk May 9, 2006, 12:43 pm
  • Contrary to what all of you seem to believe, David Ortiz is human. Randy Johnson throwing at him would scare him just as much as it would you.
    There’s nothing wrong with knocking a guy off the plate, especially if he’s a great hitter. The pitcher’s job is to make the batter feel uncomfortable.
    So Beckett would hit A-Rod in return, it’s part of game.

    Mike A. May 9, 2006, 12:57 pm
  • I think that SG of the Replacement Level Yankees Weblog addressed this topic perfectly:
    “On a completely different note, a lot of my fellow Yankee fans have espoused pitching inside or even hitting David Ortiz as a means to combat the Yankees’ seeming inability to get him out. It’s conventional baseball wisdom, but would it really help? I took a look at Ortiz’s career splits versus all opponents.
    Ortiz has been hit by a pitch by seven of his 21 opponents.
    His collective batting line against those seven? .278/.368/.536
    His line against the teams that haven’t hit him? .286/.367/.532
    I don’t think you can intimidate as good a hitter as Ortiz is. That’s not to say that you shouldn’t try to pitch him inside at times to be less predictable, but if people think that the only reason that he has killed the Yankees is because they don’t pitch him inside, they are a) wrong b) not giving Ortiz credit for being a damn good hitter.
    The Yankees would be better off seeing how Anaheim and Oakland pitch Ortiz, as they’ve held him to lines of .217/.318/450 over 214 PA and .259/.325/.432 over 206 PA respectively.
    Incidentally, neither team has ever hit Ortiz with a pitch.”

    mattymatty May 9, 2006, 1:04 pm
  • They need to pick out one of David Ortiz’ chins and let a little music dance across the whiskers
    “Throw at his head, but don’t hit him”. That’s great sportswriting. Frigging pathetic.

    SF May 9, 2006, 1:04 pm
  • Mike, contrary to popular belief, many teams have tried to brush back Papi and it just doesn’t work, I know he’s human, but trust me, it’s not the way to work him. I invite people to try though.

    LocklandSF May 9, 2006, 1:04 pm
  • agree with MattyMatty and SF and all who think this sportswriter is being silly.

    NickYF May 9, 2006, 1:08 pm
  • Mr. Unit has plenty of reason to be scared to pitch him inside, as well. Like Lockland said upthread, if he misses his spot by just a bit, that ball is headed to the right field stands pronto.
    Ortiz is batting .277 with 5 HRs (in 47 ABs) vs. lefties this season, btw.

    airk May 9, 2006, 1:12 pm
  • matty, I wonder about Ortiz’s home/road splits vs Anaheim and Oakland. He’s said how much he hates flying to the West Coast, saying it’s like flying to Japan, so I’d guess his poor numbers against them reflect that discomfort. Maybe NY Post writers will start a campaign to move the team to Oregon.

    airk May 9, 2006, 1:17 pm
  • I’ve never heard Ortiz complain about the long plane rides before, but its a possibility. I can’t imagine long flights are easy on any team or player.
    The other thing about the Oakland and Anaheim thing is those two teams have had excellent pitching staffs since Ortiz came to Boston and even before that. I bet that plays an important part in those reduced numbers.

    mattymatty May 9, 2006, 1:25 pm
  • I’ve never heard Ortiz complain about the long plane rides before, but its a possibility. I can’t imagine long flights are easy on any team or player.
    The other thing about the Oakland and Anaheim thing is those two teams have had excellent pitching staffs since Ortiz came to Boston and even before that. I bet that plays an important part in those reduced numbers.

    mattymatty May 9, 2006, 1:29 pm
  • klassy!
    now let’s all play opposite day. all SFs should immediately start piling on about how classless, idiotic and unprofessional all YFs are, and sniff about their lack of respect for the game and uncouth calls for a player’s head.
    YFs should try to point out that this was simply one writer and / or one segment of the fanbase calling for this. SFs should NOT LISTEN.

    beth May 9, 2006, 1:44 pm
  • If we shouldn’t listen to the New York Post, then does that mean that we all don’t have to listen to Schilling?
    Oh wait, I already don’t listen to either. More accurately, there’s a difference between listening to something, and giving credence to something.
    That said, if Schill started saying that he needs to get control of the plate against hitters . . . um, waitaminute, bad example.
    We realize that the Post doesn’t represent all of Yankeedom, but when they slip up, it’s fun to point it out and make you guys squirm. Like when a particular blowhard in RSN opens his/her mouth and stupid comes out, you guys certainly point it out. It’s what comes with living in a society – this happens in politcs all the time.

    rk May 9, 2006, 2:04 pm
  • I see no problem with a little high-and-tight/low-and-away philisophy. Even with the shift I’d rather face Manny (.189 v LHP)w/Ortiz on than the alternative.
    The author of that article is an idiot.

    Nate May 9, 2006, 2:06 pm
  • did we decide if RJ has lost velocity or is just missing his spots? both problems don’t bode well for a plunking or ERA for that matter. i took the under with Beckett declaring war before the 3rd. no better way to endear himself to sox fans and put his stamp on the rivalry.

    sf rod May 9, 2006, 2:17 pm
  • You have to keep in mind–This is the newspaper that spends 75% of it’s production fees on ‘headline’ writers.
    “Weasels!” (With a picture of the U.N. floor and two actual weasel heads poorly photoshopped onto the French and German delegates)
    “Monkey Business!”
    I believe that you have to at least try to make Ortiz uncomfortable at the plate…of course, the reason why people like Ortiz and Sheffield and Alex Rodriguez and Manny are such good hitters is simply because you usually cannot make them uncomfortable, no matter where you throw it at them.
    I do want to remind RSN however, that alot of you fellas felt that by beating up on a guy and punching him in the head, you were able to sufficiently rattle him and therefore render him ineffective for the rest of a (in)famous series back in 2004.

    walein May 9, 2006, 2:19 pm
  • do you mean Don Zimmer, walein? (I kid, I kid)

    airk May 9, 2006, 2:22 pm
  • Beckett will throw at someone tonight for not playing the game “the right way”. It’s unclear what the “right way” is because it’s a concept only Beckett seems to clearly understand and have worked out.
    Tonight should be fun.

    NickYF May 9, 2006, 2:26 pm
  • Gimme a Break May 9, 2006, 2:35 pm
  • Pedro had gotten into Zims head years ago…it was all very strange for Yankees fans as well.
    Tonight’s prediction (totally unbiased™)
    Beckett: 5.1 innings, 4 or 5 runs, 6 hits, 2 walks (Giambi and, interestingly enough, Cano).
    Johnson: 7.1 innings (possibly 8 if torre doesn’t check the stats to find that Miguel Cairo threw a whiffle ball strike to Papi 12 years ago at a fundraiser bar b que, therefore bringing Cairo in to face Papi in the middle of the 8th), 2 runs (1 earned), 4 hits, 1 walk (interestingly enough, David Ortiz after unsuccesfully missing his head four straight times.
    Final– Yanks 5(possibly 13) Sox 2 (possibly 11).

    walein May 9, 2006, 2:40 pm
  • I think that part of the effectiveness of guys like Bob Gibson etc was that you really didn’t know if he/they were going to buzz the tower or not. That planned-uncertainty part of the game seems to be absent these days. Maybe they disgourage it in the PA.

    Nate May 9, 2006, 2:42 pm
  • there’s a difference between getting flustered and staying flustered, Mr. Gimme a Break.

    airk May 9, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • It’s the NY Post. It’s a total rag. What do you expect?
    -Rob, CT Yankee Fan

    Rob May 9, 2006, 3:55 pm
  • Cold with an on and off rain drizzle for game time, I bet RJ wishes he had some cartilage in his knees tonight.

    LocklandSF May 9, 2006, 4:15 pm
  • i don’t mean to post hi-jack but wagner returns to philly tonite. i just really hope phillies fan gets it right and gives him the respect he deserves. not that 17 million was enough respect to begin with. stay classy sports fans.

    sf rod May 9, 2006, 4:59 pm

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