Hose the Hose!

They did it last night (it sure helps when Podsednik and Konerko don’t play), and they try again today against El Duque. Bully. Consider this an open thread for the action.

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  • A bit chippy today, is the Duke!

    YF August 20, 2005, 1:49 pm
  • Forget that Pefecto, Duke! (Jeets!)

    YF August 20, 2005, 2:22 pm
  • But going back a bit, boy was that some bad baseball from the Sox in the bottom of the 3rd. Yeesh. This does not look like a team with a big future right now.

    YF August 20, 2005, 2:25 pm
  • More slop. We’ll take it.

    YF August 20, 2005, 2:26 pm
  • A-Rod to Duke: Take that! 3-0.

    YF August 20, 2005, 2:31 pm
  • Dick Stockton just doesn’t seem comfortable calling a baseball game. Already he’s blanked on Scott Podsednik’s name, had Matsui called out on a 1-1 pitch (it was 1-2), and just now claimed A-Rod, picked off third, is “not fleet afoot.” And when Air Force One (??? )just flew overhead with a pair of figher escorts, he didn’t even mention it. (Hello!) We don’t know where Joe Buck is today, but this is definitely a step down.

    YF August 20, 2005, 2:43 pm
  • Was that Air Force One? Does that mean W has finished his vacation?

    Nick August 20, 2005, 2:49 pm
  • Well it would be nice to know. But the usually patriotic FOX decided not to tell us. Perhaps it was the VP. (Haliburton One?)

    YF August 20, 2005, 3:14 pm
  • Will anyone be scared of the palehose come playoff time? This team looks to be the rabbit of the AL – out to a big, comfy lead in a weak division that nets them all of two extra home games in October.

    SF August 20, 2005, 3:31 pm
  • Perhaps. But we’ll take the win, and another nice outting for Chacon, nevermind the sad offensive state of the Pale Hose. He’s been a savior.

    YF August 20, 2005, 5:02 pm
  • I agree. Of all the teams currently in the hunt to make the playoffs, they are by far the worst of them. I believe that the pitchers are good, but a bit overrated. Their offense is absolutely invisible, and even lately the small ball has not proven to get them through. Figures. I love when the Yanks get a cold team to beat around.

    Brad-SF August 20, 2005, 5:27 pm
  • The Pale Hose are young and in a slump. Earlier in the year they played very well.
    Last week, of course, they beat the Yanks 2 out of 3. Yankee fans want them to beat up the Tribe.

    john yf August 20, 2005, 6:41 pm
  • Papi strikes out in the eighth with the tieing runs on base.
    So much for the Angels being no competition. Here comes Frankie Rodriquez and and another half game off the Red Sox lead.

    john yf August 20, 2005, 7:05 pm
  • Manny grounds out. Here comes Millar to hit into the double play.

    john yf August 20, 2005, 7:09 pm
  • wow John…that’s a lot of Red Sox watching for a guy who routinely admonishes the Red Sox fans for caring too much about the Yanks. I’m just saying, is all.

    Brad-SF August 20, 2005, 9:57 pm
  • We’re in a pennant race, with 6 weeks to go.
    We don’t have cable though, so I didn’t watch anything. I put on the MLB Gameday for the last 2 innings while surfing the web.

    john yf August 21, 2005, 12:05 am
  • John, I think “watch” was a euphemism. Let’s just say you “follow” the Red Sox a lot more than you would care to admit – it wouldn’t fit the “I-am-so-nonchalant-I-focus-only-on-my-own-team-who-gives-a-damn-about-anyone-else-they-never-win-or-if-they-do-they-got-lucky-because-the-bombers-didn’t-show-up” arrogance of most Yankees fans.

    SF August 21, 2005, 6:51 am
  • SF –
    I-am-not-so-nonchalant-I-focus-only-on-my-own-team-who -gives-a-damn-about-any — I’m a baseball fan, and we’re in a race.
    I have never watched a Sox game on TV unless the Yanks were in it. When driving into Boston I often turn on the Sox game once WABC or WCBS has faded away, but I really dislike the Sox announcers.
    I went to a Sox game on my birthday last year, because we were in Boston, I love Fenway and we were able to get very good seats. I’ve also been to Shea, Olympic, the old Blue Jay’s park, Veteran’s, Camden Yards, County Memorial, both Pittsburgh, both Cincinnatti, both Cleveland, Detroit, Comiskey, Wrigley, Busch, both Atlanta, Miami, the new Rangers, the Astrodome, KC, Coors, both SF, Chavez Ravine, Anaheim, both Seattle and about 10 minor league parks. This year we’re going to the last Yankee home game of the season on my birthday.
    This is all normal baseball fan stuff. The only fans I’ve ever run across with an obsession for another team are weird Yankee-hating Sox fans.

    john yf August 21, 2005, 12:09 pm
  • This morning, I went to Stop and Shop, the cleaners, Home Depot, Petco (not the park, but the place to buy dog food), The Comcast billing center, gas station, home to shower, and then out to lunch with a friend.
    Since I know this is a pointless argument, I relegate to telling you everywhere I’ve been…and that’s just today!
    Later, I’m going to kill the afternoon by switching back and forth between the games of the Red Sox and the Yankees.

    Anonymous August 21, 2005, 12:18 pm
  • Sorry, that post belongs to me – the weird Yankee hating Sox fan.

    Brad August 21, 2005, 12:20 pm
  • Wow. We are definitely impressed. Brad is hands-down winner of the YFSF Up-And-At-‘Em Gold Medal. Though perhaps we should name the award for Robinson Cano. Because he doesn’t like to hang around home.

    YF August 21, 2005, 12:31 pm
  • See, now you can’t have it both ways, John. You can’t be a “I’ve gone to tons of ballparks and am such a huge baseball fan that I don’t watch any other teams nor do I listen to any opposing announcers because I don’t like them and don’t really pay attention to anybody but the Yankees” but pretend to have some sort unique knowledge about how things are going to turn out when you freely admit you have no care about the context of the current race, beyond what your own team is accomplishing. I think it is simply reasonable to expect a devoted baseball fan to pay more than just passing attention to teams not your own. Frankly, the way you write about how little you give a crap about anyone but the Yankees, and in particular how you belittle not the Red Sox, but knowing so little and caring so little about the Red Sox, condescending. I freely admit that I pay a ton of attention to the Yankees (I live in NYC, I read the papers, I root for the Sox, so how can I not?) and always have. I also pay a half (or maybe a quarter of) a ton of attention to the Orioles, the Jays, the Rays, the rest of the American League. I also follow the Mets and some of the National League, though my knowledge of the Senior Circuit has, to a great deal, been dulled over the last few years with the mass exodus of talent to the AL. Now, this doesn’t make me a better fan than you, because there are lots of fans without internet access, without Directv, without the technology to follow many other clubs, but it does give me a bigger knowledge base from which to draw my thoughts, and it also shows that I am not so Copernican in my devotion to the Red Sox. They aren’t the only team that is worth looking at; that’s not a tough thing (or even mildly upsetting thing) to admit.
    I also don’t know nearly as much about the intricacies of the game as the guys at Prospectus, either, and this doesn’t make me less of a fan than them, for that matter. But I would hope that they respect those of us that don’t have the time to graph the relationship of VORP to OPS/IBB in Venn diagram format, because we too yearn to know more about players all over the league and not just those on the squad we follow on a day-to-day basis.
    Part of what frustrates me is your “I am a huge fan, but don’t give a rat’s ass about the team that I love’s rival” duplicity. And whether that’s what you wrote verbatim or not isn’t important: that’s what comes through in your posts. Us SFs get pretty regular disparagement for following the Yankees (“obsessing” is the blanket derision thrown our way), when that’s a simplistic understanding of many Sox fans, myself included; I take this rather personally, as you can see. It’s like we’re not entitled to follow another team, lest we be branded as psychos. The alternative is your position, which is casual and also condescecending and I find it at best totally disingenuous, at worst dishonest. You have put yourself in a bad position here. Either you are completely myopic, in that the Yankees are the only thing that matters, or you are being superficially deceptive, in that you wish to present the Yankees as the only team that matters when you know that isn’t the case.
    I know YF himself to be a pretty serious follower of many things Red Sox (and all things baseball, for that matter), even as he acts somewhat disinterested about the rivals to the north. This is because he is a personal friend and I know what is “for the sake of the blog” and what is the actual representative truth. With you, I don’t know this, since I don’t know you other than through your comments. So what is it? Are you really being melodramatic, for the sake of this blog? Or do you really care next-to-nothing about teams other than the Yankees?

    SF August 21, 2005, 1:12 pm
  • No, SF, it’s what I said. The only baseball fans I know who are obsessed with another team are the weird Yankee hating Sox fans.
    Yankee fans don’t hate the Mets. Cubs fans don’t hate the White Sox or the Cards. Giants fans don’t hate the Dodgers.
    Obviously not all Sox fans are like that. But they’re very vocal. Go to any Sox game, against any team, and at the end a few thousand 20-something white Sox fans will walk to Kenmore Square chanting “Yankees Suck.” Nothing like that happens at any other park.
    When the Giants won the Super Bowl, do you think a single fan chanted “the Red Sox suck”? You know they didn’t, but when the Pats won, “the Yankees suck” immediately started up.
    It’s weird.

    john yf August 21, 2005, 1:31 pm
  • And I’ve never been to a ballpark (other than Yankee Stadium) where I had my personal space physically invaded by a fan of the home team, just because I was identified as a Sox fan and while I was sitting watching a game (peacefully and quietly) between the Yankees and the Rangers. But we’re the ones you can generalize about as crazed and obsessive. Seems about right.

    SF August 21, 2005, 1:35 pm
  • John and SF: Can you both be wrong? SF: Sox fans do obsess about the Yankees in a disturbing, unhealthy way, always seeing the cloud, never its silver lining. It’s part of the Red Sox tradition, the long tradition of losing that is now over on the field, but to pretend that this is not the personality of the team and its fans….that, I think, is disingenuous, Big time.
    On the other hand, John, your suggestion that this newfound “hate” is both original and unique to Boston is flat wrong. In fact, I’d say the Yankees started it. “Boston Sucks” shirts were a commonplace in the Bronx LONG before Sox fans started up with their imitations. The Bleachers at Yankee stadium, not Fenway, were the locus of this kind of attack. And if you think Yankee fans don’t hate Mets fans, you obviously were AWOL for the entire 1980s. For a considerable time (basically, until Straw and Doc became Yankees) the bleacher chants in the Bronx were directed against the Mets, not the Sox. And of course certain players will tell you that Yankee Stadium and Fenway don’t register nearly as vicious as other parks around the league. Stupidity, unfortunately, is a national, not regional, trait.

    YF August 21, 2005, 1:51 pm
  • Well, SF, sorry for your experience at the Stadium. There are drunken assholes at Yankee games, but even they pretty much put the Sox behind them when they leave game. There are plenty of drunken assholes at Sox games who carry the hatred home with them.
    The last time I went to Yankees / Sox game we had lousy seats. We moved up after the 6th and ended up sitting with the Sox wives. It was very nice. I don’t hate the Sox.

    john yf August 21, 2005, 1:59 pm
  • …unhealthy way
    When did you get a medical degree, Herr Doktor YF? Is our “unhealthy” obsession with the Yankees more or less disturbing than, say, the manifestation of one’s fandom in chauvinistic physical intimidation (a la that practiced by myriads of goons up in the Bronx)? Where do you get off calling our way of rooting “unhealthy”? At last check, my entire family of diehards (myself included) are adequately functional members of society. Unlike several Yankees fans I know.

    SF August 21, 2005, 3:19 pm

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