If A-Rod said…

what David Ortiz said as cited in Paul’s post below, what would fan/media reaction be? Specifically, imagine what the Mike Lupicas of the world would say to this: "He’s done a great job, he’s having a great season, but Jeter is not a 40-homer hitter or an RBI guy. It doesn’t matter how much you’ve done for your ball club, the bottom line is, the guy who hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that’s the guy you know helped your team win games."

Besides being totally wrong, it’s a tad egotistical. No?

Forget it. A-Rod is a jerk.

25 comments… add one
  • Thus is the problem, Nick. The perception is that A-Rod would never say that because it would be honest. A-Rod has the perception of being more conscious about his image than about the game.
    Whether that’s true or not is a different story. But such is the perception. Ortiz has the perception of a guy who cares a lot, loves the game, talks up a storm and is beloved by all who come in contact with him. He’d have to say something a lot worse than “I don’t think Jeter deserves the MVP” to be reviled by the Boston media and fans.

    Paul SF September 11, 2006, 5:13 pm
  • People love Ortiz, and dispise A-Rod – of course it’s not going to be the same, Nick. Plus, do you really think A-Rod’s speech writer would let him say that? I’m joking of course as it was a stupid thing for Ortiz to say – even if it’s true.

    Brad September 11, 2006, 5:15 pm
  • actually, Paul, A-Rod already got into trouble for saying that he was better than Jeter. The famous Esquire article has hurt him immeasurably (as it should have).

    Anonymous September 11, 2006, 5:16 pm
  • ARod basically DID say that many years ago… and was generally ripped a new one for it.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) September 11, 2006, 5:18 pm
  • Heh. Well, what do you know. I stand corrected.
    Anyway, Ortiz wasn’t saying “I’m better than Jeter” or even “I’m having a better year than Jeter”. He was saying that Jeter is having a great year without power numbers, and that he thinks guys with the power numbers should win the MVP (duh).

    Paul SF September 11, 2006, 5:20 pm
  • it’s a self-serving opinion. But I guess since the big guy doesn’t have much to look forward to this October, he’s keeping close tabs on the awards part of the season. Consider this quote an opening campaign speech.

    Nick-YF September 11, 2006, 5:23 pm
  • Ortiz should have kept his mouth shut; there was no upside to this kind of comment. One, he (rightfully) looks selfish. Two, he’s probably pissing off the voters, who likely hate to be told they have their heads up their asses, particularly by a player.
    Chalk this one up to being a slightly less than Einsteinian professional athlete.

    SF September 11, 2006, 5:23 pm
  • ARod, incidently, got into trouble mostly not because he claimed he was better than Jeter (which he was, and in most seasons, still is), but rather because he specifically said something along the lines of “he’s never really had to lead, because the Yankees are so good.”
    That may or may not have been true, but Jeter was generally perceived as a good leader, and futhermore it begged the question: did ARod think HE was a leader? If so, what exactly was he smoking?
    Anyway, ARod was ripped for being a whiny bitch who had never won anything.
    Papi deserves to get some flak for whining, but he’s got a 2004 WS Ring so it won’t be the same. And that’s probably the way it should be.

    Rob (Middletown, CT) September 11, 2006, 5:26 pm
  • What Ortiz said was stupid, but he’s not Arod, he’s David Ortiz, he will be able to get away with these little slip ups from a media/fan perspective more than Arod will because Arod is a total jackass, one of the top five best players of all time in my opinion, but a jackass just the same.

    Lockland September 11, 2006, 6:08 pm
  • While Ortiz’s comments may not have the long term repercussions that A-Rod’s did, he does come off as selfish and ignorant. Plus, as somebody else alluded to, writers don’t like it when somebody starts lobbying for themselves to win an award. Knocking another candidate because he’s not a power hitter is just lame and writing off him being so good to just being part of great lineup is dumb, especially when you’re hitting in front of one the best pure hitters in the game (Man-Ram).
    In short, with those comments, he just kissed any chance he had of winning goodbye.

    Jay September 11, 2006, 7:37 pm
  • The surprising thing to me was how he threw his teammates under the bus, saying something like “…everyone in that lineup can hurt you, top to bottom…come hit in this lineup.”
    I guess I’m beating a dead horse here, but this is a part of Ortiz I really didn’t think was there, and I don’t really see him as a rootable, happy-go-lucky masher any more.

    tom yf September 12, 2006, 12:57 am
  • yeesh…

    ScrapperSF September 12, 2006, 8:54 am
  • …papi for mvp?….wait ’til next year, boy then you’ll see…

    dc September 12, 2006, 8:58 am
  • Something tells me, Tom, you were looking for a reason not to root for him. We simply don’t know the context — what question he was asked, what qualifiers he may have said that weren’t put in the quotes.
    As for “throwing his teammates under the bus,” considering that until recently he was hitting in a lineup that was missing the majority of its Opening Day starters plus its best offensive backup, I don’t see how he’s saying something everyone didn’t already know — the Sox’ lineup for a long time was not at full strength and was not nearly as productive as New York’s.

    Paul SF September 12, 2006, 10:15 am
  • This is the problem I have with Red Sox fans. Their refusal to realize that their team and fans are just as much like the Yankees and their fans. There is this obvious double standard that would simply go away if they were more rationale in how they view their team. Since the comments were noted on 9-11 they flew a little under the radar (justifiably so) but if A-rod makes these same selfish comments there would be three more Red Sox blogs started solely on this topic and a million more “Slappy is no Papi” web pages by the end of today. It is this same arrogance that drives me nuts when I see discussion board titles like “Why true sports fans hate Yankee fans”. Just by putting a title like that out there the presumption of superiority is way more arrogant than most fans of any sport I know. Don’t get me wrong though…I would much rather debate with a sane Sox fan about baseball than some hot tub swimming Diamondbacks pseudo fan, but the double standard is comical.

    Johnny Burger September 12, 2006, 10:24 am
  • This is the problem I have with Red Sox fans
    And this is the problem I have with Yankees fans. They don’t read all the comments before making broad-swipe generalizations. ;-)
    I think it’s fair to say from our on-the-record comments in this thread that Paul and I disagree on this one, and we are, at last check, both Sox fans. So much for a diversity of opinions actually mattering.

    SF September 12, 2006, 10:35 am
  • One (Well, Yankees fans anyway) have to love DJ’s response:
    “I’m not thinking about winning an MVP, I’m thinking about winning the division,” he said. “Our focus here isn’t on individual awards. We’ve still got something to play for.”
    Heh.

    Jay September 12, 2006, 10:49 am
  • Who was Papi missing that hurts more than losing Sheff and Matsui (also Cano for an extended period)?

    Seth September 12, 2006, 10:53 am
  • So Jeter, in his response, proves himself to be adept at avoiding what could have been a very easily taken high road. His comment is (understandably) snide, somewhat arrogant. I don’t fault him for putting Papi in his place (Papi, as I said, was totally out of line and should have kept his trap shut). But Jeter’s comment, I have to say, is also kind of stupid; it has a tinge of the ol’ thumb-on-the-nose “nyaah nyaah” to it. Let’s not kid ourselves here.

    SF September 12, 2006, 10:57 am
  • Quote from Paul SF: “Anyway, Ortiz wasn’t saying “I’m better than Jeter” or even “I’m having a better year than Jeter”. He was saying that Jeter is having a great year without power numbers, and that he thinks guys with the power numbers should win the MVP (duh).”
    All due respect this is the polite double standard I was referring to…Paul paraphrase’s Papi’s comments that he thinks guys with power numbers should win MVP’s…I am SURE that if A-rod or Sheff made the same comments and knocked a Sox player you would allow me the same latitude to paraphrase and explain away how polite Ortiz’s comments actually were (smirk)…Let me also state, that Ortiz should have gotten the award last year, and should get it this year…MVP is a gut award…meaningless is some respects (Juan Gonzalez won this thing twice I think) but should go to the player that “means the most to the team, and Ortiz fits that bill better than any player I can think of the past two years…so I am not disagreeing with Ortiz’s point in the least, he does deserve it (although I think Jeter should be in the conversation), and Derek probably falls in behind Mauer and even Morneau; my issue is with the double standard.
    It crops up again in SF’s comments regarding Jeter’s response. Although you are quite adamant in stating Ortiz should have kept his trap shut, you still tweak Jeter’s comments as not taking the high ground…meanwhile he gots knocked all the time for never being “honest” (less than A-Rod, but still)…and if any Red Sox player was in Jeter’s position and made the same comments you would love it, and applaud them for their remarks…would you accuse them of not taking the “high road”. Yeah….thought so. ;)

    Johnny Burger September 12, 2006, 11:28 am
  • But JB, I say that Jeter’s comments are understandable and that I don’t fault him for making them. What do you want from me? I just am calling them what they are, which is snide. He was piqued, and he ought to have been. But that doesn’t make his comments any more mature necessarily.
    The best response would have been a simple smile. Not that I expect that from any of these guys, though.

    SF September 12, 2006, 11:39 am
  • If you could be less diplomatic and polite in your responses and observations it would help my effort to argue incessantly. Just for future reference…

    Johnny Burger September 12, 2006, 11:42 am
  • “Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be.”
    With Youkilis in front of him, and Ortiz and Manny after, common sense says Jeter’s numbers would be the same, at least.
    Ortiz seems to have a history of throwing teamates under the bus – at the end of last season it was the pitching staff. I just don’t see what purpose comments like these serve.

    Andrews September 12, 2006, 11:51 am
  • “Who was Papi missing that hurts more than losing Sheff and Matsui (also Cano for an extended period)?”
    Seth, I know you’re joking, right?

    Brad September 12, 2006, 12:05 pm
  • Brad, not sure what your asking.
    Red Sox Opening Day Lineup
    C. Crisp cf
    M. Loretta 2b
    D. Ortiz dh
    M. Ramirez lf
    T. Nixon rf
    J. Varitek c
    M. Lowell 3b
    K. Youkilis 1b
    A. Gonzalez ss
    I was referring to the comment “As for “throwing his teammates under the bus,” considering that until recently he was hitting in a lineup that was missing the majority of its Opening Day starters plus its best offensive backup”
    I do not see how trot/tek are more valuable then Sheff/Matsui, and the Boston combo has played way more games.
    Maybe Papi’s lineup comment was a knock at management (no Damon, no trade or bat pickup)?

    Seth September 12, 2006, 12:21 pm

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