I’m O-Kei, You’re O-Kei, We’re All O-Kei

Wow. $46M.  That’s $9.2M per year, if you do the funny math.  That’s Josh Beckett money (starting next year).  Or slightly less than Gil Meche Money.  Or it’s Daisuke money, if you do funny math for Kei and not-funny math for Daisuke.  Or it’s three times JC Romero money, if you do the unfunny math and forget to include the Luxury Tax hit, which then turns it into 75% Matt Clement money. Though I have now lost interest in doing math, so who knows what it is.

In any case, that’s a lotta scratch for a guy who might be mopping up this year.  Or spending the bulk of his downtime in the Sheep Meadow scaring the bejeezus out of a bunch of hacky-sacking stoners from Collegiate.

50 comments… add one
  • I look at it this way: we got our japanese pitcher for HALF price.
    With any luck he’ll be he’s more than half the pitcher…

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 5:25 pm
  • delete the “he’s” – yeesh

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 5:27 pm
  • he’s more than half the pitcher…
    Does that mean if Matsuzaka puts up a 3.40 ERA with 17 wins and Igawa puts up a 5.00 (just a tad better than 50% worse) ERA with 9 wins (just over 50% of DM’s as a starter) you’ll be happy and it will have been worth it?
    ;-)

    SF December 18, 2006, 5:32 pm
  • honestly, that deal is not bad at all… in reality its around 4 million a year for 5 years with incentives.
    i dont understand how you can compare it with the d-mat deal which was basically 10 million a year with incentives.
    i know you factored in the bids and what not, luxury tax too, but still.

    chea son! December 18, 2006, 5:38 pm
  • On a different note to Sox fans here: There is a very nice interview between Stern and John Lester over at MLB.com. It’s nice and long, talks about his cancer, the Red Sox, Spring Training, and some other stuff. It’s nicely done. Here’s the link:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp
    Just Scoll down to the baseballchannel.tv tab, and it’s in that list of stuff.

    Brad December 18, 2006, 5:43 pm
  • There’s also some nice (Q&A) with fans. It sounds as if this really made this kid grow up and mature a ‘bit. I’d assume it would, and I’m so happy he’s over this.

    Brad December 18, 2006, 5:46 pm
  • “Does that mean if Matsuzaka puts up a 3.40 ERA….you’ll be happy and it will have been worth it?”
    What do you think?

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 5:52 pm
  • I did say MORE than half the pitcher

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 5:53 pm
  • I did say MORE than half the pitcher
    And I suggested hypothetical numbers that are just above half as good as a hypothetical DM’s!

    SF December 18, 2006, 6:03 pm
  • You certainly didn’t give me MUCH more than half. C’mon, be a little generous, it’s the holiday season – How about a 4.75 ERA and 14 wins? And a biru, kudasai.

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 6:07 pm
  • ybe a six pack of birus and 13 wins?

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 6:08 pm
  • Or maybe a six pack of birus and 13 wins?

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 6:09 pm
  • Know what SF? Since you added 1.27 to Matsuzaka’s 2006 ERA and kept the same number of wins 17 in your hypothetical, I’ll take the same for Igawa:
    4.24 ERA and 14 wins.
    After a quick glance at their stats, I have to say I’m encouraged; many of the key stats are quite close. By comparison, maybe the yanks got a bargain?

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 6:57 pm
  • By comparison, maybe the yanks got a bargain?
    ______________
    Yes, as long as we’re talking about a make-believe hypothetical world.

    Brad December 18, 2006, 7:02 pm
  • Won’t be real for another 60 days, alas
    Take a look for yourself:
    http://www.japanesebaseball.com/players/index.jsp

    Andrews December 18, 2006, 7:15 pm
  • There are a lot of things to disagree on, but for pete’s sake WHO CARES how much the contract is for.
    Each contract is RELATIVE to the team that signed him. Is Gil Meche worth what he got, no, but to the Royals he is worth that money. If the Yankees went out and spent money on a Padilla, Lilly, Eaton, etc…..You guys would be writing things like “Another Carl Pavano” or “Jaret Wright Part Deux.”
    I am pretty sure MLB GM’s don’t use Bizrate to find the best deal on a lefty starting pitcher or middle reliever. Good lord there is more then enough to argue about but who in tarnation cares about how much they spent???

    Triskaidekaphobia December 18, 2006, 7:50 pm
  • Now I ask you, is $14 million a year worth it for a perennially (and now even before the season starts) injured player who *somehow* gets every fan to hate him?
    Nice try buddy, but your bitterness is really showing.

    Andrew December 18, 2006, 8:38 pm
  • Uh, this post was (I thought) pretty tongue in cheek, as were my comments (hence the winky winky thing, usually a dead giveaway). Why such bitterness, my YF brethren!?

    SF December 18, 2006, 9:17 pm
  • Everyone’s going through baseball withdrawl. I think it’s pretty clear. I’ve been planning a three-day early-April trip to Kansas City for what seems like ever, and it’s only been three days. *sigh*

    Paul SF December 18, 2006, 9:34 pm
  • Any more silly Igawa flamewars and I am locking this thread.

    john December 18, 2006, 10:19 pm
  • SF: I realize your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek, as are our respective hopes planted in unsure soil about the new prospects acquired by our respective clubs. Erm. Ugh. Okay. That’s a crappy metaphor.
    The point that I hope my Yankee fan brethren keep in mind is that Matsuzaka is widely viewed as a sure thing, where the jury is much more divided on Igawa. What stock one may place in those evaluations is up to the individual. Personally, I think both are highly risky endeavors, and when I judge the performance of each, it can not be for total dollars spent. It just doesn’t work anymore. If you use that math, Wang, Papelbon, Verlander, and the others playing for near-league minimum set a performance pace that is impossible to rectify against the dollars spent on either of these Japanese newcomers.
    No, I won’t be thinking about dollars. It’s not my money. it’s not even within my imagination to comprehend the kind of money spent. I expect Igawa to perform, and perform very well for the money he is getting, whether he ends up a rotation guy or out of the pen. Anything less than above-average versus replacement means that the experiment was a failure. For both, if they are above average, it’s just the cost of doing business in tapping a new resource. And let’s not kid ourselves: this new method of talent purchase at significantly inflated prices through the posting versus what happens in relatively sedate FA signings out of the Dominican, Mexican leagues etal. is a very interesting experiment; I’m sure we all hope it pays to be an early adopter.

    attackgerbil December 19, 2006, 12:08 am
  • Truth is nobody truly knows how either of them will perform. I don’t think there is a Yankees fan out there that believes Igawa is better than or has the ceiling that Dice-K has. But reports would lead you to believe that both teams added some real important pieces to their respective puzzles.
    Kei Igawa LHP…..27…..2006 FA (Japan)
    Strengths: Plus change-up and 88-92 MPH two-seam fastball, and split-fingered fastball. Arm action. Repeating high ¾ delivery. Athletic frame. Durability
    Weaknesses: Rotation of slider. Keeping ball low
    Comments: Athletic/well-proportioned pitcher who features good movement to his fastball and splitter, along with the ability to change speeds. He repeats his delivery, giving him excellent command, but has been inconsistent in his ability to keep the ball in the park and doesn’t spin the ball well.
    2007 MLB Role: Number four starter
    Potential Rating: 8C (8 = Solid regular/C=May reach potential)
    Daisuke Matsuzaka RHP…..26…..2006 FA (Japan)
    Strengths: Plus 79-84 MPH slider, 90-96 MPH fastball, 86-88 MPH cut-fastball, 78-83 MPH split-fingered fastball, and 75-82 MPH change-up. Plus command. Deceptive ¾ delivery
    Weaknesses: Stamina (elbow)
    Comments: MVP of World Baseball Classic, he brings three plus pitches to the table, highlighted by a nasty slider and outstanding fastball command. Mixes pitches very effectively and misses bats with regularity. He does bring some workload concerns and usually works on five days rest.
    2007 MLB Role: Number two starter
    Potential Rating: 9B (9=Elite player/C= May reach potential)
    Just a point of reference Phillip Hughes is a 9B (Elite Player-Should reach potential)
    This was posted NOT to compare the two but rather give some more insight as to what we as Yankee fans and Sox fans could expect. This is from http://www.BaseballHQ.com, a very respected site (Advisors to the Cardinals).

    Triskaidekaphobia December 19, 2006, 12:26 am
  • SF, I venture to guess that most realized your post was “tongue in cheek”, my friend. I’m also sure you realize that your characterization of Igawa as an overpriced mop up man would raise the dander of some YF’s. That seems to be your style – light a small fire, deny that you said anything controversial, and then sit back and enjoy while the flames spread, all the while feigning disbelief that your comments could have been so misinterpreted. It’s amusing.
    All that aside, the difference in perception of these two pitchers is interesting, given the relative similarity of their stats in Japan. It’s curious how little those stats seem to mean, and how much weight is being given to scouts’ assessments of their abilities. Seems to run counter to our numbers crazy baseball world.
    It will be fun to see how this all plays out in the years to come

    Andrews December 19, 2006, 10:32 am
  • Andrews, that’s a really good point about the stats v. scouting nature of the discussion. FWIW, and it’s not worth much, I asked a waiter at one of my favorite sushi joints in the city about both pitchers. He’s a huge baseball fan from Japan and we talk about baseball a lot (basically my life is spent talking about baseball 24/7). I asked for comparisons. He said that Matsuzaka was like the Pedro of Japanese baseball and that Igawa was more of an Andy Pettitte type. He said that people had thought Igawa had lost something in recent years but was still solid while Matsuzaka is close to unstoppable. So maybe it’s a case of Igawa’s recent past being unimpressive, and that there’s a big difference when you watch both pitchers?

    Nick-YF December 19, 2006, 10:39 am
  • Excellent post Andrews. Your characterization of SF’s MO is spot on.
    In other news, the Yankees may have found their everyday 1B so Giambi can DH full time. All I can say is that if this happens, any affection Sox fans developed for this guy will quickly disappear when he robs a Sox batter of a double ripped down the 1B line, or has a particularly gritty AB.
    http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster&univLogin02=stateChanged
    (will need Insider to read the entire column)

    bloodyank78 December 19, 2006, 10:53 am
  • Oh God, Doug M? Don’t have insider.
    “and that there’s a big difference when you watch both pitchers?”
    Probably the case, Nick.
    DM certainly had a career year last year.

    Anonymous December 19, 2006, 11:05 am
  • This isn’t 2004 folks, I don’t think you should be too excited about Minky being your every day first bagger.
    There is also a report out there saying the Yanks have contacted Loretta’s agent about playing first base.

    LocklandSF December 19, 2006, 11:48 am
  • The article I linked to above is about Loretta. The Yankees had been discussing him in staff meetings and I guess there was contact between the organization and Loretta on Monday.

    bloodyank78 December 19, 2006, 12:33 pm
  • Loretta would be a good pickup for the Yanks and I would hate it as a Red Sox fan.

    Anonymous December 19, 2006, 12:51 pm
  • ML is a great guy.

    Brad December 19, 2006, 12:57 pm
  • Guys, please. The ENTIRE thing was tongue-in-cheek. You are trying to make something out of nothing.

    SF December 19, 2006, 1:14 pm
  • doug is a package deal….you also get jody. she calls the shots.

    sf rod December 19, 2006, 1:34 pm
  • …using “sf math” it’s only $4m per year for igawa…the posting fee doesn’t count, remember?…comes out of a different bank account, or something like that…the yanks will recover the posting fee via the “inside track on japanese ‘marketing opportunities’s'” [i think that’s the spin]…anyway…are the igawa t-shirts for sale anywhere yet?…and sf, i love ya, but the guys are right, you do stir things up and then get wide-eyed about it by trying to convince us that you were “just kidding”, or were somehow misunderstood…it’s ok to be the flame-thrower as long as you admit it…i actually have fun with you once in awhile over it…

    dc December 19, 2006, 4:17 pm
  • Ya, and the luxury tax isn’t under “payroll” either, remember. It’s under “taxes”, presumably..

    Lar December 19, 2006, 4:26 pm
  • Well, to be fair, there isn’t much more the Yankees can squeeze out of Japan since they are already in the market pretty heavy with Matsui. Up until Matsuzaka, Japan was split between the Yankees and Seattle.

    LocklandSF December 19, 2006, 4:30 pm
  • Is it “kick SF in the Jimmy” Day, and I wasn’t told or something?

    Brad December 19, 2006, 4:44 pm
  • Is it “kick SF in the Jimmy” Day, and I wasn’t told or something?

    Yes, as long as we’re talking about a make-believe hypothetical world.

    Lar December 19, 2006, 7:11 pm
  • Nice, Lar.

    Brad December 19, 2006, 11:30 pm
  • No front page posts for a full day??? I smell a long hard winter to come. How many days till pitchers and catchers?

    10019 December 20, 2006, 12:35 am
  • “Yes, as long as we’re talking about a make-believe hypothetical world.”
    i guess the make believe world only applies to Kei’s YFs and not D-Mat and his never pitched in the Majors real world?
    As long as thats the case, then everything is kosher.

    ansky December 20, 2006, 12:57 am
  • what?????

    Brad December 20, 2006, 9:48 am
  • Ok, I get it. I make a tongue-in-cheek post that is then acknowledged by readership to be obviously tongue-in-cheek, but still get reamed for being inflammatory, even though it’s been acknowledged that this post is not that, and that it was clear that it was not that. And that whatever might have been inflammatory in other contexts (arguable, at best) in the thread should have been tempered by the fact that the post was riddled with references to prep-school stoners and radio-controlled helicopter fan sites. Even though what was cited as inflammatory wasn’t even correctly quoted. But that’s irrelevant to me, actually.
    “appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason”
    This is the definition of “ad hominem”, and it would seem that taking this thread and using it as a way to insult me for things not in this thread is simply doing what this definition says: appealing to prejudice. It’s like every post here needs to be turned into an “us or them” thing, which is totally off-base. It doesn’t. This post is so innocuous, that to take it as a jumping-off point for some sort of insult, some sort of broadstroke generalization (and an insulting one, at that), makes me think that for some people everything is a fight. It’s not.
    We usually do better on this site. I am pretty frustrated that this thread was co-opted and turned into an attack. Also, it would be good if people would look up the definition of “might”, at least before they start re-framing what I said into something I didn’t say. Even if this post was taken seriously, which would be a mistake (and it seems clear from most everyone that it wasn’t serious baseball commentary – “Collegiate stoners”, are you kidding? Those guys are the most anal-retentive, non-risk-taking people I have ever met) I said nothing controversial. And it wasn’t serious in the first place, which is where things should have started and finished. Sometimes a joke is just a joke. To some people it might be a bad joke. But it’s not always the first bullet in a gun battle.

    SF December 20, 2006, 10:41 am
  • I think this is just a result of a lack of anything real to talk about.

    LocklandSF December 20, 2006, 11:47 am
  • I agree, Lockland.

    Brad December 20, 2006, 12:11 pm
  • Question for all. I am asking this as a baseball fan, not just a Yankees fan.
    Why aren’t the Yankees exploring the option of signing Aubrey Huff? They need a 1Bman and Huff can not only play 1st, but 3rd and Corner OF positions. He isn’t as good defensively as Doug M. but he is definitely better offensively. It also gives the more versatility and gives them a R/L switchoff with Phillips if they intend on doing so. Also if they were to sign Huff, they could possibly trade Melky for a reliever (Not that I agree with that at all, but it makes more sense with Huff, then if they signed Bernie).
    Thoughts??

    Triskaidekaphobia December 20, 2006, 1:07 pm
  • 13 – I think Huff is young enough to want a long deal – and it seems that the Yanks are looking for a stopgap at 1B, probably at least until Giambi is healthy or just until his contract is up (I think it ends after 2008) which would free up enough money to pursue a Teix (who becomes FA that year).

    Lar December 20, 2006, 1:28 pm
  • I would love to get Tex!
    But more importantly let’s sure up 1B now and worry about that later. A long term deal with Huff wouldn’t be horrible, he could always shift to DH or OF if he had to .

    Triskaidekaphobia December 20, 2006, 1:40 pm
  • A baseball source indicated to MLBTradeRumors.com that the Yankees and Pirates are working on a trade that could be Mike Gonzalez and Nate McLouth for Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera.

    Triskaidekaphobia December 20, 2006, 1:52 pm
  • Can’t Melky play first? How hard would that be anyhow?
    It’s not optimal for him, since he’s good defensively in the OF..

    Lar December 20, 2006, 5:24 pm
  • “what?????”
    guess i swung for the fences on that one. My bad, i’ll slow it down next time

    ansky December 21, 2006, 1:00 am

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