It’s Go Time: Yanks-Sox Gamer I

No more need of speculation, prediction, projection, snarky owners, or whimsical sideline stories about vicious feathered friends and voodoo curses involving abused laundry. Wang faces Buchholz at Fenway as The Rivalry continues. Game time is in one hour, comment away.

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NY Yankees
M. Cabrera cf .320
R. Cano 2b .179
B. Abreu rf .333
A. Rodriguez 3b .297
H. Matsui lf .314
J. Posada dh .238
J. Giambi 1b .056
J. Molina c .318
A. Gonzalez ss .333
C. Wang 1.38
 
Boston
C. Crisp cf .304
D. Pedroia 2b .275
D. Ortiz dh .083
M. Ramirez lf .275
K. Youkilis 3b .324
J.D. Drew rf .440
J. Varitek c .290
S. Casey 1b .357
J. Lugo ss .303
C. Buchholz 5.40
144 comments… add one
  • I hope they get this game in.
    Go yanks!

    sam-yf April 11, 2008, 6:10 pm
  • I like these stats better :-)
    CMW vs. BOS
    5-5, 4.56 ERA, 134 OPS+ against (relative to self)
    CMS at Fenway
    2-3, 6.17 ERA, 148 OPS+ against
    David Ortiz vs. CMW
    .500/.533/.833 in 36 PA
    Manny Ramirez vs. CMW
    .591/.654/.864 in 26 PA

    Paul SF April 11, 2008, 6:15 pm
  • Who’s CMS? You pick your cherries, I’ll pick mine. ;)

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 6:19 pm
  • Paul, those are excellent stats and clearly indicative of the way tonight’s game is going to go. :)

    Micah-SF April 11, 2008, 6:20 pm
  • Wait, I think I figured it out… Curtis Montague Schilling?

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 6:21 pm
  • I dunno. Wang always, ALWAYS scares me. I may be the only Sox fan who actually thinks he is an excellent pitcher.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 6:39 pm
  • Top of Yankee order interesting. Have often wondered why Cano wasn’t bumped up more often. Obviously he wouldn’t be there if Jeter were around, and he still has issues with discipline and the maturity requried for consistent situational hitting (a must in the 2 spot), but as an exceptional hitter-for-average I’ve often wanted to see him above the likes of Giambi and – even with the great season he had last year – Posada. Curious to see how it goes tonight.
    As for the CMW stats, are those really right??? Maybe he should just intentionally walk the slow fat ones (Ortiz & Manny) and pitch for the DPs from now on.

    IronHorse (yf) April 11, 2008, 6:44 pm
  • I was going to make a crack about how I can’t post here tonight because Clay made off with my laptop, but thought better of it.
    Oh wait.

    yankeemonkey April 11, 2008, 6:55 pm
  • Oh thats neat. Mosiac must ave update its software. Instead of just getting a blank feed for Blacked out games (Phils for me) you get Gameday imagery it seems

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:00 pm
  • Rain concern? Its been cloudy and threatenign here, but not a drop that I’ve been noticed (of course Im right on the Jersey side of Philly so quite a bit out of the way)

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:01 pm
  • Ok Sox, get some runs early in case we get rained out right after its official. None of this “wait for the bullpen” crap.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:04 pm
  • Ok SoxYanks, get some runs early in case we get rained out right after its official. None of this “wait for the bullpen” crap.

    yankeemonkey April 11, 2008, 7:05 pm
  • It looks like its really coming down. Unless it clears up, no way we go 9.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:08 pm
  • No rain today in NY.
    I’m out. Going to walk home (55 blocks) with my mini-radio. Will check in on the blog later (esp if Yanks are winning).
    Ah, the melodious tenor of John Sterling and the lilting Simpsons-aunts voice of Suzyn Waldman.

    IronHorse (yf) April 11, 2008, 7:09 pm
  • ooooo.. close, but right call for the ump. Full count. Good eye for Melky, good pitch for Clay.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:10 pm
  • Strike zone, Clay. Hit it.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:12 pm
  • Gorgeous Curve.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:12 pm
  • cna you throw multiple strikes in a row? Large counts = boo.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:14 pm
  • Ok, call this game. Buchholz just slipped a little on the wet mound (and as a result threw ball 3) but I dont want anyone getting hurt here

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:15 pm
  • I missed what happened because Gameday geeked out on me :-(. How’d he get Abreu?

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:16 pm
  • Montague?
    Better than Bill McNeal’s middle name of Evelyn. (“It’s pronounced “EEV’lyn”).”

    I'mBillMcNeal April 11, 2008, 7:16 pm
  • This game on TV outside the northeast?

    I'mBillMcNeal April 11, 2008, 7:17 pm
  • Now CRISP trying to bunt to lead off the game. Interestign choices for Francona. Not very Sox-like.
    Should kept bunting as he flies out harmelssly on the second damn pitch

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:19 pm
  • If you have mlb.tv, it is Bill.
    Now Dustin flies out on the FIRST pitch. Great. Just frakign great. 2 outs, THREE GOD DAMN PITCHES.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:20 pm
  • Papi Ks. Eight pitches to retire the Sox. Why do people argue abotu Wangs caliber? Frak. Frak. Frak.
    Someones gonna get hurt in this rain.
    Frak.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:22 pm
  • Nice play by Casey.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:26 pm
  • I hate the idiots with the beachballs. DO you need toys in the stands? If baseball isnt interestign enough to hold your attention, please dont rob those of us for whom it is of seats.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:28 pm
  • Dammit. Good job by Matsui to msucle that pitch into centerfeld.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:30 pm
  • Dionysus, STFU. Thank you

    Dirty Water April 11, 2008, 7:31 pm
  • Clay strugglign with command (again) and throwign ALOT of pitches

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:31 pm
  • Come on Clay. send the Juicehead back to the dugout!

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:35 pm
  • Coco = Wheels!

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:35 pm
  • Man, I don’t know why SoxFans are so eager to replace Coco in CF. The guy’s awesome out there. Already taken away 2 hits from the Yanks.

    Mark (YF) April 11, 2008, 7:36 pm
  • Wow. Check out Sabathia vs As. Wowzerz

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:36 pm
  • Because, atleast over the last two seasons, he cant hit at all Mark.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:37 pm
  • Good at bat by Manny, even if it ended in the K.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:42 pm
  • Chienny! Mingus of the Mound!
    This guy is un-nickname-able, but nice pitching!

    J (yf) April 11, 2008, 7:49 pm
  • Solid inning for Clay.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:53 pm
  • Toast sucks against Wang. He should have just left the bat on his shoulder. At least Wang would have thrown 3 pitches.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:54 pm
  • GOD Lugo sucks. I hate this game already and its still 0-0

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 7:58 pm
  • Trying to wake some of you up….who’s the better 2nd baseman, Cano or Pedroia?

    J (yf) April 11, 2008, 8:01 pm
  • How so, J? Defensive? Offensive? Both?

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:02 pm
  • The games not blacked out on MLB.tv if you live in the UK, it does mean watching the game now at 1pm

    Polf April 11, 2008, 8:03 pm
  • If you hate it so much, leave. There’s better things for us wanting quick updates to stand than your whiney, immature voice on the game.
    And BTW, since you can’t carry Coco’s jockstrap why don’t you quit insulting him while you’re ahead.
    Bye, YFSF. You better know the number of people this d-bag is destracting from your site.

    Dirty Water April 11, 2008, 8:09 pm
  • sorry 1am

    Polf April 11, 2008, 8:09 pm
  • ha red sox radio guy jinxed that perfectly

    TJ April 11, 2008, 8:09 pm
  • errr nevermind i thought that was a hit lol

    TJ April 11, 2008, 8:11 pm
  • Since the difference in years in the bigs is a factor, I shall look at each’s rookie (full) seasons.
    OPS+/EQA/VORP
    2007 Pedroia 112/.277/35.9
    2005 Cano 106/.263/26.4
    So in a Small Sample Size situation, its Pedroia by a nose.
    What just happened in the game? I saw Pedroia reach first.. then got distarcted lookign up the last stats and then…commercial?

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:11 pm
  • … *blinks* whoa.. what? Me? Sure I tend to freak out and panic easy.. I didnt realize I was a d-bag. I posted here all last year and had a right old good time. I’m pretty sure if everyone else didnt liek me, they would have told me.
    And how can one NOT be negative when ones team is being no hit by the Yanks?

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:13 pm
  • As for Coco, am I not allowed to criticized my teams players? Isnt evaluatign the relative skill of the players part of being a fan?

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:16 pm
  • A-Rod’s play was ruled an error to maintain Wang’s no-hitter (off the record, of course). But next pitch, fat papi grounds into DP.

    J (yf) April 11, 2008, 8:17 pm
  • I dunno, J, I think it may have been an error legitametly. The throw did pull him off the bag.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:18 pm
  • And Clay walks the first two. Not good. Call the game now, please? Liek this minute?

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:19 pm
  • nice RBI double for the best back up catcher in baseball….

    sam-yf April 11, 2008, 8:24 pm
  • Clay walks the no. 9 hitter, bases juiced for Melky.

    sam-yf April 11, 2008, 8:26 pm
  • Sox caught a break with a double play

    Polf April 11, 2008, 8:29 pm
  • Ugly double play.
    The A-Rod error was being discussed by the YES-men as being changeable depending on how Wang’s no-hitter goes.

    J (yf) April 11, 2008, 8:33 pm
  • Is it weird that my first thought was that Drew HR should actually be an error on Abreu?

    Mark (YF) April 11, 2008, 8:37 pm
  • Drew home run, Abreu probably should have caught it, looks like he didn’t get a good jump as he backed up against the wall

    Polf April 11, 2008, 8:37 pm
  • The YES crew just did a great job of catching the interaction between Buchholz and Varitek during that last A-Rod at bat.

    Mark (YF) April 11, 2008, 8:46 pm
  • Drew = Fire.
    Time to see how Mikey looks this year.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:57 pm
  • Hittign 91. I’m impressed.

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:59 pm
  • Getting squeezed on the inside corner

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 8:59 pm
  • HGH=How Giambi Homers.

    I'mBillMcNeal April 11, 2008, 9:01 pm
  • Okajimer

    I'mBillMcNeal April 11, 2008, 9:04 pm
  • Yeah, I loved the look Varitek gave young Buck!
    Some nice ABC ball by the Yanks.

    J (YF) April 11, 2008, 9:16 pm
  • First chance to check on the game in some time.. sitting on the back porch with my laptop, and getting swarmed by midges! Not a good sign.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 9:36 pm
  • > Bye, YFSF – Dirty Water
    Good bye.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 9:58 pm
  • Wang stays in to finish. Ball one low to Casey. The next pitch is on the outside corner to make it 1-1.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 9:59 pm
  • Casey golf pops a pitch almost on the ground to Melky for the first out. Lugo up. Takes strike 1. Looks at a ball that misses the high corner in.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:01 pm
  • Lugo refuses to swing, taking a sinker in above the knees for 1-2, then fouls a pitch on the outside part of the plate away. Reset the 1-2: way out and in the dirt to make it deuces.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:02 pm
  • Bill will be happy no runners LOB so far

    TJ April 11, 2008, 10:03 pm
  • The 2-2 is a hot shot two-hop at Gonzalez who fires across to make it two away. On the first pitch, speedy Coco puts down a perfect bunt in no man’s land to reach base. Two down, Dustin at the plate, man on first. DP takes low, Coco swipes second.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:05 pm
  • The Gnat takes the 1-0 over the middle. One-and-one: low-out. The 2-1 is stroked hard but right at Godzilla who makes the grab on the liner to end the game. Yanks 4, Sox 1.
    Great game by Wang.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:06 pm
  • 10:06?? Less than 3 hours for a Yanks/Sox game makes advertisers cry.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:07 pm
  • fist pump

    dc April 11, 2008, 10:08 pm
  • felt like a no-hitter…coco’s lame bunt takes a bit of the pressure off of abreu’s lazy effort on the drew pop-up/homerun…

    dc April 11, 2008, 10:10 pm
  • Dio, thanks for carrying the thread for a good length on a slow night.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:11 pm
  • I didn’t watch 2-7 ’cause of daddy duty. Looks like I missed an amazing game by Chien-Ming. Drat.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:12 pm
  • espn is still showing the score from the eighth.. gotta pick another feed.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:18 pm
  • we all have stuff to do away from the game…tip of the hat to ag and dio for keeping this ball rolling…uh, i don’t need to tell you all to ignore dirty water…he’s the guy who called me a “hater”…imagine that…me, who has nothing but love in my heart for everyone…sheesh

    dc April 11, 2008, 10:24 pm
  • Dio, you are full of joy and exuberance; never mind the bastiches and don’t ever stop with that fervor for the game.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:28 pm
  • Wow, a short game. Was hoping I would catch 8-9 or something. Dang! But nothing bad about a Yanks victory!

    Lar April 11, 2008, 10:37 pm
  • Any comment on CMW and his approach? I know he’s been getting hit hard lately, and tried to switch it up here and there.. but apparently was efficient tonight..

    Lar April 11, 2008, 10:39 pm
  • Fun with numbers:
    Giambi’s BA: .095
    Timlin’s ERA: 54.0

    Zooboy April 11, 2008, 10:39 pm
  • So did Wang earn some respect from the SFs around here?
    Or will we hear the same old story about not enough Ks etc…

    sam-yf April 11, 2008, 10:39 pm
  • I had new apartment issues I ahd to address and missed everythign after Timlin’s first two pitches. Sucks. Oh well, this was my game to lose. Clay vs Wang is a tough match up, and Clay actually did better than I had expected. Plus we were due for an offensive hangover after 12 runs last night. With Beckett and Daisuke goign against (I beleive) Moose and Hughes, I think we can take the series.
    Oh and attackgerbil, thanks for the support. I was begining to get demoralized. This si the second poster who’s decided I was a problem (“A YF” complained about me posting in Yankee Gamers a couple days ago).

    Dionysus April 11, 2008, 10:43 pm
  • > did Wang earn some respect from the SFs
    Sam, I think that most Sox fans around here regard him fairly; my thought is that he catches most of his static from the fact that he continues to defy the statistics by getting lots of outs without an out pitch. Three K’s tonight on a “two-hit” CG, a tipped ball off of hopless Abreu and a late bunt away from perfection. He’s been outstanding in the regular season for a couple of years — no one can deny that — but he’s got a big “guilty” sign hanging around his neck from last year’s ALDS. Great start this year, to be sure.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:48 pm
  • > complained
    Let them whine. No sweat.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:49 pm
  • I dunno if id agree on that AG. Wang has taken plenty of flack over the past few years around here. Generally, I dont think he has received the respect he deserves. There were many conversations here last year in which some SFs argued that he was overachieving and that we should expect a regression from him soon.
    Also, I placed my comment as a result of this thread starting out with Paul noting how bad Wang had been vs the Sox and at Fenway.

    sam-yf April 11, 2008, 10:55 pm
  • Sam, I see your point, but it is not just here where he is taken to task regarding the fact that his career is somewhat anomalous. I grin with glee every time he continues to prove me and everyone else wrong regarding precedence about how his career _should_ trend based on comps. GO WANGER!!

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 10:59 pm
  • It only occured to me a minute ago how close Wang came to a perfect game – if A-Rod doesn’t overthrow on the Pedroiagrounder, and Abreu catches the JD Drew ball, it’s perfecto. He was a total of about 4 inches away from one.

    Mark (YF) April 11, 2008, 11:01 pm
  • To be fair, Wang has never looked as much like an ace, to me, like he did tonight. It’s still very possible from him. But that label is most earned in October. Sad but true, no matter what happens between now and then.

    A YF April 11, 2008, 11:02 pm
  • > Wang has never looked as much like an ace, to me
    A YF: yes, that is true to me as well. He’s been SOLID, but never did I confuse him with an ace, but he is confusing. Here’s hoping that he continues his “under the general radar yet winningest pitcher in the game over the past two seasons” mode (38 wins, yeah, its not the best stat to use) so that he has the chance to un-make his rap from last year’s two _atrocious_ starts in the post.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 11:09 pm
  • Wang’s been brilliant thus far in 08. No way of getting around it, and consecutive 19 win seasons don’t just happen.
    Meanwhile, after 11 games:
    07 yanks: 5-6, 65 rs, 52 ra
    08 yanks: 6-5, 35 rs, 40 ra
    With Beckett and Matsuzaka coming, not likely to be a lot of runs on the board this weekend, either.
    Remove the 13-run debacle and you can see how consistently strong the pitching has been thus far. If only we could figure out some way to hit with men on base, we might have something….

    YF April 11, 2008, 11:11 pm
  • Our Molina is the Best Molina. Also, the Attorney General seems to be holding his own in the bigs. Maybe we can finally put Jeter at 1st?

    Adrian-YF April 11, 2008, 11:21 pm
  • > To be fair, Wang has never looked as much like an ace, to me, like he did tonight. It’s still very possible from him. But that label is most earned in October. Sad but true, no matter what happens between now and then.
    So, should I assume that you don’t consider Johan Santana an ace?

    dknyc April 11, 2008, 11:33 pm
  • Some days you just get beat by the pitcher.

    Devine April 11, 2008, 11:35 pm
  • I’ve never seen seen so many hard hit balls right at gloves and to the warning track.
    Classic Wang. Don’t know how he does it but, he does it nonetheless.
    DC…that part of the park is nowhere near a “pop-up” reaching the bullpen is poke, but whatever.

    Anonymous April 11, 2008, 11:38 pm
  • ^me. Sorry.

    Brad April 11, 2008, 11:38 pm
  • So, should I assume that you don’t consider Johan Santana an ace?..
    Well, do you consider Marino to be on the Montana level. I don’t. Funny, how that works. Probably not fair, but there is something to the idea of not having a 20-something playoff ERA, or no super bowl rings, or no Master’s Jackets…
    It just doesn’t hold water to be “almost”.
    I’m probably biased though.

    Anonymous April 11, 2008, 11:42 pm
  • Well, it did take Santana a little while:
    First two (2002, 2003): 14 IP, 12 ER, 12 K, 5 BB
    Last two (2004, 2006): 20 IP, 3 ER, 20 K, 5 BB
    Funny enough, I’d say he became an ace in 2004-2005.

    A YF April 11, 2008, 11:45 pm
  • YF is right: consecutive 19 wins don’t just happen. I still hope he stays under at least most radars. It suits him.

    attackgerbil April 11, 2008, 11:55 pm
  • Wang had quality starts in his first two postseason starts, before last year’s disaster. Wang’s 1-3 postseason record is identical to Santana’s.
    How bout Jake Peavy in the postseason…0-2, 9.2 IP, 13 ER, 19 H, 5 K, 4 BB
    My point is that if you insist on requiring postseason dominance before labeling someone an Ace, how many aces are there in the league this year? Beckett…who else?

    dknyc April 11, 2008, 11:59 pm
  • Thanks for posting, guys. Looking forward to tomorrow, though I’ll be at work. I know I can count on you guys for a summary/analysis when I get home.
    I love baseball season.

    jonny YF April 12, 2008, 1:15 am
  • Great pitching by Wang and Buchholz (especially the former) against two teams with struggling offenses. Maybe Wang will turn into the ace they need him to be after all.
    I’m extremely happy with how Buchholz pitched. 1 run over 6 innings against the Yankees is amazing no matter how you see it, despite only striking out 3 and walking 3. Drew is also a monster at the plate, which is fantastic to see.
    Bringing Timlin out in the 7th was a mistake. When I saw him warming I was like “NO! He’s not ready yet!” Oh well. Our bullpen may be struggling and Papi/Manny still aren’t hitting the way they should, but their bats will eventually turn around. The bullpen… well, who DOESN’T have bullpen issues so far this season?

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 8:27 am
  • here we go again: wang defies logic…and seems to be on the winning side in many of the games he pitches [more so than any other pitcher in the past 2 seasons] because the yankee offense supports him adequately, and the defense seems to be in the right place at the right time, or he’s lucky…he hasn’t been successful in the post season because the odds have finally caught up with him, he’s not good, he’s a choke, the defense isn’t that good, he’s unlucky, or all of the above…frankly, i don’t care if he’s doing it with magic dust and a rabbit’s foot…i’ve heard that some folks [like opposing hitters] think he’s pretty good, with a sinker that is like none they’ve seen…
    i realize that drew’s homer wasn’t a lazy fly ball brad, but abreau’s approach to it was lazy…it bounced off his glove and his feet looked like they were glued to the track…that’s a catchable ball with or without a wall in the way…

    dc April 12, 2008, 9:17 am
  • Agreed DC, Abreu should have had that ball. Wang is a great pitcher, but the reason he has struggled in the playoffs is because he tries too hard. The sinker isn’t a pitch you can overthrow–if you do, it doesn’t sink, and that’s exactly what’s happened in the last two years.
    He’s looking very sharp so far this year though, so maybe this is the year he gets it under control.
    By the way, I had my wisdom teeth taken out yesterday (all four!) so I’m going to be drugged all day. Please excuse any wierd posts that don’t make any sense; I blame the vicodin.

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 9:29 am
  • Can we please go easy with the whole “Wang struggles in the playoffs” thing? He has 4 postseason starts…2 good, 2 bad. Why does no one bring up postseason history on the Peavy’s, Verlander’s and Sabathia’s of the world?

    dknyc April 12, 2008, 9:46 am
  • dknyc, I’m not harping on Wang or taking anything away from him; I’m just saying that the reason he struggled the last two times is because he was overthrowing the ball, which took away all the movement of his sinker. In no way am I trying to demean him or take away his value as a pitcher, I’m just stating what many experts have concluded has been the problem.

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 9:51 am
  • atheose, interesting theory about wang trying too hard and perhaps overthrowing in the playoffs…that’s a good point and makes a lot of sense, but it may give the choke theorists some ammo…either way, it’s a logical explanation…
    ouch, sorry about the wisdom teeth buddy…i know it’s necessary, but not fun…i had all 4 of mine taken out at the same time a couple of years ago…i hope you like soup [broth] and milk shakes because that’s all you get for the next couple of days…heal fast my friend, you’ll be fine, even though it might not seem like it from time to time…

    dc April 12, 2008, 9:53 am
  • Thats fine Atheose, I’m just getting antsy in waiting for someone to answer my question about how many “Aces” are in baseball this year. By making postseason dominance a requirement for being an ace, by my count there are only 2 or 3 aces in the league right now.

    dknyc April 12, 2008, 10:10 am
  • but it may give the choke theorists some ammo…either way, it’s a logical explanation…
    I think there’s a difference between choking under the pressure, and simply trying to hard. Wang has a unique situation because his best pitch is one where he needs to be relaxed, as opposed to “reaching back for a little extra” or “blowing one by the batter”. I do not consider Wang to have “choked” in the last two years, I just think it’s a simply issue with his mechanics.
    I agree dknyc, postseason dominance isn’t a requirement for an “ace”. However, the Yanks do need a dominant postseason pitcher, someone to play the role of stopper the way Beckett did for the Sox last season. That person could very easily be Wang this year if they work on his mechanics a bit (and if the Yanks make the playoffs). Who knows. In any case, I agree with you that you don’t have to be a dominant postseason pitcher to be an “ace”.
    Thanks for the well wishes dc, I’m actually doing VERY well with my teeth… my face is hardly swollen, and I’m not in too much pain. I’m not a big fan of coups, but I’m eating a ton of applesauce. Chocolate pudding helps too. The vicoden has me very drowsy though, so it was unusual watching the Yanks-Sox game last night without yelling and screaming! I believe my reaction to Giambi’s homerun was: “Meh.”

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 10:14 am
  • Meant to say “soups”, not coups. Hooray opiates!

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 10:16 am
  • I think that Wang’s dominance last night actually demonstrates how great of a pitcher he actually is. He has been hit hard lately by the sox and was able to make some nice adjustments to fix this problem. This is the hallmark of an top pitcher.
    One thing that should be noted in comparison to Beckett, Wang has actually been more consistent than Beckett over the last two years. Beckett was certainly more dominant last season but not the previous year. Not to diminish Beckett’s accomplishments but he has proven he can do what he can for exactly one year in AL east. While Wang has been at it for 2.5 years. However, if i put a post up here saying Beckett wasnt an ace or similar, it would be considered blasphemous. However he does it, Wang has proven he can be very successful in one of the best divisions in baseball. I hope this continues. He is our ace and we like it!

    sam-yf April 12, 2008, 11:12 am
  • I will say that though Wang definitely beat the Sox: the inning Drew homered, all four batters that came to the plate hit deeeeeeep fly balls. An inch difference on bat and ball here or there and that could have been a different game.

    Devine April 12, 2008, 12:14 pm
  • Gee, this thread ended quickly…

    jimintokyo April 12, 2008, 12:34 pm
  • Ah, no it didn’t. Internet glitch with no posts shown after about 8:19 until I posted, then all the later posts showed up. Weird. Sorry all.

    jimintokyo April 12, 2008, 12:38 pm
  • “An inch difference on bat and ball here or there and that could have been a different game.”
    Devine, you can literally say that about any close baseball game. A few inches the other way and Wang has a perfect game. Even when someone like Santana or Beckett is at his very best, there are balls hit hard and to the warning track. The point is when a pitcher is on he makes the batters mis-hit or mis-time the pitches just enough so they dont get enough to hit the ball out. Wang pitched a gem last night, that should be agreed upon without condition.

    sam-yf April 12, 2008, 1:01 pm
  • Agreed, Sam-yf. While all three fly-outs that inning were VERY close to being homeruns, Wang pitched a gem. Nothing should take away from that.

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 1:33 pm
  • You can’t say that about every close baseball game. I’ve seen 3-0 games where the losing team had no chance (like 2 flyballs total, both weak).
    I’m not trying to diminish Wang’s outing because obviously he kicked the Red Sox’ collective ass yesterday. But it wasn’t just a warning track fly here or there. That was a crapload of line drives and deep flies.

    Devine April 12, 2008, 1:46 pm
  • “hit deeeeeeep fly balls”
    None of the balls were hit hard. If anything they were hiiiiiiiigh fly balls. In few parks, if any, would those have been out and none required a fantastic play. The loooongest would have been caught by any OF without Wall Phobia.
    Wang’s young enough to become an ace. But he’s not there yet. It needs t be a season of dominance, even as I agree he’s been consistently very good.

    A YF April 12, 2008, 1:58 pm
  • You weren’t watching the same game I was. The line drives died slowly in the air.
    What was one fantastic play?

    A YF April 12, 2008, 2:01 pm
  • So is anyone else worried about whether or not Beckett will go 0-2 to start the season?

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 2:02 pm
  • A YF, Devine is right when he says that all three outs in that inning (when Drew hit the HR) were close to being homeruns. All three outs were within a yard or two of being out of the park. You’re right in saying they were pop-ups that didn’t require fantastic plays, but they were nonetheless close to being hit out.
    But they weren’t hit out, and Wang recovered in the final few innings. So it doesn’t really matter. Wang pitched a gem and has started off fantastically in 2008.

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 2:06 pm
  • I admit I’ve been one of the people who always thought Wang’s success was a fluke. Now it’s becoming clear that he truly IS very good… I just still don’t understand HOW. :)

    Jackie (SF) April 12, 2008, 2:16 pm
  • Oops, sorry for the semi non-sequitur, it’s taking me a while to get used to the whole ‘comments on more than one page’ thing.

    Jackie (SF) April 12, 2008, 2:19 pm
  • Not entirely apropos to this thread, but I have the Mets-Brewers on right now, and Mr. Santana isn’t exactly setting the world on fire…Certainly he hasn’t been awful, but not lights out either.

    yankeemonkey April 12, 2008, 2:30 pm
  • Im gonna remember this conversation for the next time a Red Sox pitcher has a dominating start. Ill be sure to point out that he allowed some deep fly balls and hard hit balls despite the fact he pitched a 2 hitter….
    We’ll see how that flies.

    sam-yf April 12, 2008, 2:42 pm
  • the long fly balls from last nite kinda irked me. why in the world would you swing for the fences on a cold, damp, heavy air nite?
    why not test a makeshift left side of the infield. press a-rod to make throws he’s had trouble with so far this year. see what gonzalez brings. i don’t get it.

    sf rod April 12, 2008, 2:58 pm
  • Former Sock Gabe Kapler just crushed a Santana pitch over the bleachers in LF for a 2-run homer.

    yankeemonkey April 12, 2008, 3:03 pm
  • Sam, no one is trying to take away anything from Wang. Every SF on here has stated that Wang was brilliant last night.
    Go Kapler! Hooray for the Hebrew Hammer!

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 3:13 pm
  • Im watching the Tigers-White Sox game, and they left Verlander out there WAY too long. Poor kid.

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 3:19 pm
  • Guess they figured whatever Verlander had left in the tank was still better than their abominable bullpen….

    yankeemonkey April 12, 2008, 3:23 pm
  • I guess, YM. It was frustrating because he loaded the bases and was at 110 pitches, and then hit a batter. Leyland STILL left him out there, and he gave up a single.
    And then they pulled him, and the reliever gave up a walk and then three hits. So yeah, you’re right!

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 3:30 pm
  • FOX should have to give zim royalties for every time they show the pedro throw down clip.

    sf rod April 12, 2008, 3:32 pm
  • And the Tiggers fall to 2-9. Someone put Steve Phillips on suicide watch.

    yankeemonkey April 12, 2008, 3:35 pm
  • Uh oh. Gagne sighting in the Brewer bullpen. I prepare for much hilarity.

    yankeemonkey April 12, 2008, 3:39 pm
  • I figured he left Verlander in on the off chance that he could get out of the inning and notch a win if they came back in the bottom. That didn’t work out so well.

    Jackie (SF) April 12, 2008, 3:48 pm
  • Hey, Gagne gets the save! Disappointment abounds.

    yankeemonkey April 12, 2008, 3:49 pm
  • Wang had close to a perfect game last night — no baserunners except the flubbed fly ball that became an inexplicable home run, and Crisp’s 9th inning bunt. This Sox fan’s hat is off to him.

    Hudson April 12, 2008, 3:52 pm
  • Wow, Gagne got a 1-2-3 inning.

    Atheose April 12, 2008, 3:57 pm
  • mcarver and buck have a new favorite in joba after he read the lineups. surprise surprise. i guess that means he’s just holding jeters place until he can rightfully reclaim their favoriteness.

    sf rod April 12, 2008, 3:58 pm
  • McCarver and Buck…If ever there was time for a laser-guided missile to arrive at Fenway, this is it.

    yankeemonkey April 12, 2008, 4:08 pm

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