Johnny Vander Meer Says Hello: Sox-Jays Gamer XVIII

Clay Buchholz pitches tonight. The way this September’s gone, I predict he has a no-hitter going into the ninth, but with two outs in a 3-0 game, he hits his innings limit for the year and his prescribed pitch count for the game and spontaneously combusts on the mound.

Eric Gagne comes in to close it out and gives up a grand slam on the first pitch, even though the bases are empty. Red Sox lose.

Comment away!

151 comments… add one
  • That was pretty damn funny!
    Go SOX

    BostonRAW September 19, 2007, 7:17 pm
  • Oki shut down for a while. Good, rest him up for the playoffs.

    Tyrel SF September 19, 2007, 7:26 pm
  • Clay’s got another no-no going

    J (yf) September 19, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • Glad to hear Okajima’s getting a little rest.

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • it looks as though the bluejays have fired some of the smoking hot waitresses that hang out behind home plate. that franchise just can’t seem to get anything right.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Buchholz seems pretty sharp given the rest he’s had. So says Remy, anyway… I am inclined to agree so far.

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Thomas singles. Thanks J, you jinxed it. :P

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • litsch with a no hitter thus far………..no hitter, no hitter, no hitter, no hitter.
    hopefully that helps.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • wow. that worked. 1-0 sox. thanks mr. drew.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • DREWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!! (not to be confused with “boooo”, which I know is what he’s used to hearing).
    Thank you, sf rod! :)

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • This game seems to be going quickly. Not in a bad way.

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Sorry SFs, not trying to jinx y’all, was merely excited for Clay

    J (yf) September 19, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • right on. the sox find a way to piss away a lead in new and exciting fashion. congrats boys.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • My God

    Ed September 19, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • The Tigers lost again today… here we come wildcard

    SF 4 Life September 19, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • good bye Clay… how many pitches did he throw???

    SF 4 Life September 19, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • 68 pitches by Clay

    dknyc September 19, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • after watching the approach guys like keilty and hinske take to the plate, makes me miss papa jack each and every day. litsch pitch count is 8 in the 6th inning.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • are we really going to let another jays’ starter pitch into the ninth? come on guys!

    SF 4 Life September 19, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • Is Tavarez hurt?

    dknyc September 19, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • beauty play by lowell. eh. he’s a hoser.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • for tavarez…he hasn’t pitched on anything less than a 6 day rest in a while. they still treat him like a starter whether he throws 1 or 5. last appearance was the 3 innings on the 12th against tb. and was effective.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • This game is further dismantling my optimism.

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • here we go boys

    SF 4 Life September 19, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • They photoshopped Kielty’s background so why not change that “A” to a “B” on his cap?

    J (yf) September 19, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • LUGOOOOOOOOOOO

    SF 4 Life September 19, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • litsch has gone more than 7 once this year/career. he is unable to do so tonite. bases loaded two down. lugo up, jansen (2-3 2.47) in. we need something here.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • game. set. match.

    SF 4 Life September 19, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • ill. lugo throws a good helmet.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • Why the hell did Buchholz get pulled? He only pitched 68 pitches.

    Atheose September 19, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • lugo slowed up down the line…

    SF 4 Life September 19, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • Delcarmen looked pretty good tonight, huh, Terry?

    SF 4 Life September 19, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • oh senor lugo. the papers will print your name bold tomorrow if the sox don’t find a way to come back tonite. teks gonna be waiting at your locker for not running out balls.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • athe- pitch limit. all things considered, he threw well. the error might have earned him the L tonite.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • maybe tek should look in the mirror first, he’s just as much to blame for this slide, i’m sick of the double standard he gets for his “intangibles”

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • What happened with Lugo grounding out? Did the shortstop bobble it or something, and Lugo was thrown out cause he didn’t run hard?

    Atheose September 19, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • lugo slowed down because he didn’t see the bobble by the ss

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • That’s exactly what happened, A.

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • the ball took a weird hop, in Lugo’s defense

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • tek should look in the mirror for not running out balls? be mad at the man for not hitting. but understand he’s a grinder, and every team needs one (or nine). you call it “intangibles”, they call it respect.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • our line up really is a shadow of itself

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • Wait, are you guys saying that Tek got in Lugo’s face?

    dknyc September 19, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • no no no

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • Sigh.

    Atheose September 19, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Remember when we used to lead the majors in runs scores? Ahhh, those were the days.

    Atheose September 19, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • do you guys believe what several have said in the press that the red sox front office doesn’t care about the division and is keeping its eye on “preparing the best team” for the playoffs via resting pitchers etc.

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • If the Sox lose, this loss is on Lugo the loafer. Boston is playing lazy.

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • Come on Hudson, a lot went wrong other than Lugo, that’s the icing on the cake

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • if he’s still alive, cora gets the start at ss tomorrow. just a hunch,

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • no game tommorow, and cora is HORRIBLE, at least Lugo gets hits… Clayton should be playing over cora

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Wow, here’s Papelbon, a day late, and without the lead.
    Tito is truly mind-boggling.

    AndrewYF September 19, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • do you guys believe what several have said in the press that the red sox front office doesn’t care about the division
    I didn’t, but I’m starting to come around… if only because I have to hope that there is some rational explanation for the suckitude.

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Russ Adams: Sox Killer.

    AndrewYF September 19, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • You just have to laugh at this, that or jump out a fucking window

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • russ adams is the new vernon wells.

    sf rod September 19, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Well, I stand by my criticism of Lugo — not running out a ground ball in such a key situation is a huge no-no — but Timlin and Papelbon just rescued Lugo from ignominy by effing things up more than anyone could have imagined.

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • This is just so friggin unreal.

    Rob September 19, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Grand slam by Russ Adams. Goddamnit.
    At least Baltimore is putting up a fight in the 9th against Mo.

    Atheose September 19, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • “the red sox front office doesn’t care about the division”
    it’s all about the draft picks. right? guys?

    Tyrel SF September 19, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Face it, suddenly as of last Friday we have NO bullpen. None.

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • My brain is frantically trying to come up with explanations. The best it can do is: “Papelbon is punishing Francona each and every time he brings him in in the 8th.”

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • We apparently don’t have an offense either right now, thank god tommorow’s an off day. Team meeting anyone?

    sf* September 19, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • In New York: 1st and 2nd, 2 outs, down 2-1, Orioles’ last at bat, Fruitbat on the mound… I’m not optimistic.

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • That’s it!! Everyone on the pitching staff, report to naptime for the next two weeks.
    We just have to hope that the Tigers lose three more games before the end of the year.

    FenSheaParkway September 19, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • ha, that’s a good theory about Paps

    sf* September 19, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • Varitekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

    sf* September 19, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • Bases loaded, 2 outs in ny

    sf* September 19, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Right now, it hardly matters whether the Sox are the WC or the A.L. East champs, because this team will be knocked out in the first round by anyone, with this level of play. Just horrid.

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • In New York, Hernandez goes 3-2, fouls off a bunch, then walks. So Baltimore has the bases loaded with 2 outs, facing sudden death…

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • But the O’s manager pinch-hits a .194 rookie who Ks, and that’s all she wrote in The Toilet. Hell.

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • the yankees… within one of the division. Doe the Sox have the back bone to refuse to concede?

    sf* September 19, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • sf*, they’ve already conceded. Haven’t you heard Terry Francona? They don’t care about the division.
    Like that makes the choke any less choke-y.

    AndrewYF September 19, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • 1.5 game lead. Frack.
    (Y’know, this is good. All the young fans who have yet to be indoctrinated into the Boston Red Sox Misery Cult are well on their way to following in a grand tradition that was in danger of dying after 2004.)

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • If they don’t care about the division I guess they don’t care about their fans… and I feel bad for the new inductees of the Boston Red Sox Misery Cult…
    “When it rains it pours”- the immortal jim rice

    sf* September 19, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • going from 14 1/2 up to saying “we don’t care about the division” is worse than actually losing the division

    J (yf) September 19, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • couldn’t agree more

    sf* September 19, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • I just want to know when SF and Paul are going on vacation again.
    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
    Hahahahahahahahahaha!
    Hahahahahahahaha!

    Masshole September 19, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • this Hurts too much, good night ladies and gentlemen, maybe the sox will the division, maybe they won’t, but this team certainly has more problems than winning the division right now

    sf* September 19, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • “I absolutely will not ackowledge NY as a threat.”
    Posted by: BostonRAW | Monday, September 10, 2007 at 03:01 PM
    How’s that working for you Clownboy?

    IronHorse (yf) September 19, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • I need to take something back.
    The Gabbard part of the Gagne trade would have come in real handy tonight.
    Now Buch, Delcarmen and Timlin are shot. Besides those three, Oki is hanging with Manny. The next relievers off the bench have pitched once in the past 9 days.
    As well as Buch did it would have been better if Gabbard pitched the first five.
    9 left, 1 up. Ten to one Youk does not have a fingernail left.

    BostonRAW September 19, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • hahahahahahahaha….I love your pain! Welcome to my world circa October 2004. But lest you forget what year it is:
    1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978 1978

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • You folk need to check the standings

    BostonRAW September 19, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • Um…the Sox make the post season and the Yanks make the post season. Why all of the angst?

    DW-sf September 19, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • They say two thousand zero, seven, party over,
    Oops, out of first place!
    So tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1978!

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • Good god, not four more years of Carter!
    Oh wait, I was just born and know not of politics.

    FenSheaParkway September 19, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Whoooaaa JS. We don’t have the division yet. And even if we get it, unlike ’78, Boston still gets into October. So I don’t think the ’78 comparison really applies, though the 14.5 game deficit was the same this year as it was that year. In any event, I’m not up for rubbing in a non-existent lead for the Yanks to the SFs here, but it is certainly high time that one of them have a second (third, fourth, fifth????) helping of his words from less than one week ago.
    Clownboy? Dinner time!!!

    IronHorse (yf) September 19, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Well, two more years of Carter anyways.

    FenSheaParkway September 19, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • SOX win the division

    BostonRAW September 19, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • Kids, in 1978 there wasn’t a wild card team. Now there is; “collapse” talk is hollow (cf. Tigers, Cardinals circa 2006).

    DW-sf September 19, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • Ok, JS, no need to be a jerk.
    Hudson, I agree with every comment you’ve made in this thread.

    Jackie (SF) September 19, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Yeah let’s show some class fellas, we are all adults here and it’s just a game.
    IH, do you know what the the record is for biggest deficit overcome? Just curious, I have no clue. (That’s not to say they Yankees WILL overcome, just curious)

    John - YF (Trisk) September 19, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Ironhorse, they spent the summer rubbing it in ours. This is our year. This is destiny. This is 1978 all over again, when a first place team chased a second place team. We’ll get the tribe and they’ll get the Orange County Angels.
    I might even write a Haiku about it.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • I’m sorry JS, are we not still in first place? Still haven’t learned from 2004 have we? Also, no wild card in 1978.

    Ed September 19, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • biggest deficit? My money would be on the miracle braves.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • “Sox win the division”
    Clownboy, is that like:
    “I have reached a conclusion:
    SOX sweep.”
    Posted by: BostonRAW | Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 10:17 AM
    Please predict away grand oracle.
    In other words, keep it coming clownboy!!!!!

    IronHorse (yf) September 19, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • soon ed…soon….

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • You will eat your words, IH

    BostonRAW September 19, 2007, 10:49 pm
  • we’ll see JS… until then, don’t set yourself up for embarassment (like people on both sides of the aisle have)

    Ed September 19, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • The Miracle Braves of 1914 trailed by 15.5 games on July 19…
    Of course, the 1951 Giants trailed by 13.5 on August 11…I think that’s a bit more impressive than what the Miracle Braves did.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • I do love the intensity though… I wish the sox front office, and players, had a tenth of the fire in this thread

    Ed September 19, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • well, I won’t be embarrassed no matter what happens….the sun will come up and all that kind of stuff…
    Anyway, does anyone think what the ’14 Braves did exceeded the ’51 Giants?

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • Any data I find starts September 1st. I will keep searching, thanks for the help JS. No celebrating, this is far from over and we are still in 2nd place.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 19, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • and the ’79 Yanks trailed by 14 on 7/19/78, which is the same date that the Braves were out by 15.5…I still have to take my hat off to those Giants though…except for the little problem with sign stealing.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • any teams ever lose an ALCS playoff series after being up three games?

    Ed September 19, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • Cleveland has been hotter than the Angels…I’m through with rooting for the Yanks to play them…similar to the way I was praying for the Tigers in Rd 1 last year.

    dknyc September 19, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • John,
    I know…but we don’t have any pressure…If the Sox finish first — well, they were supposed to finish first. Look, both teams are in. Can we agree that Detroit is dead?

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Let’s get one thing straight, I am NOT being a d*ck, I am asking a question. I keep hearing 14 1/2 and I was curious as to what the biggest comeback was. Anyone who knows me here, knows I am not an antagonist.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 19, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • John, here’s a link for you on the best comebacks:
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_8_64/ai_n15370740
    Ed, which is it? Are we NOT allowed to mention the past (which is what every sox fan tells me when I remind them of 26 rings)?
    Personally, I’d take my 26 rings, my 1949 comeback, my 1978 comeback, the 1999 and 2003 ALCS over one bad choke job and 6 rings….But that’s just me.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:57 pm
  • I’m just asking a question too :)

    Ed September 19, 2007, 10:57 pm
  • John, I think that link will help you…I’ll find you another..
    Wow, here’s a recent one..who remembers this?
    “1995 Seatlle Mariners sagged 13 games behind the California Angels on August 3 with a 44-46 record before going 35-20 to win the A.L. West title, while the Angels struggled with a 22-33 mark during the final 55 games of the season.”
    The good old days when the Orange County angels sucked.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • just getting a rise out of you JS (misery loves company), but in all seriousness, can we just forstall the celebration until you actually do overtake us.

    Ed September 19, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • Thanks JS, that link is really helpful.
    Chill out Ed, stop starting trouble.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 19, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • I apologize for being a Dick

    Ed September 19, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • Ed,
    I think I answered your question. I wouldn’t trade all that the Yanks have done to get 2004 back. 2004 hurt. It cut deeply and it sucked. But, it couldn’t be as bad as blowing 1978, or a 5 game lead in 2005, or what’s about to happen. Also the Yanks have a rather wide head-to-head lead on the Sox for their history, so I wouldn’t trade.
    As for whether a 3-0 lead will ever be blown again, of course it will someday. It may take 100 years or it may be this year.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • Ed,
    I don’t think you’re being a dick!!! I don’t mind getting ribbed. I only mind it when people call me a name like an “ass”, which you have NOT done. Baseball’s baseball. Yeah, I’m celebrating a little early…But dammit there are no baseball outlets in the deep south.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • No problem Ed, just don’t want people to get the wrong idea. My question was purely for my own knowledge and not to be a prick.
    JS thanks for the site.
    Sox fans, no worries it’s still 1.5 games.
    Yankees fans chill, it’s still 1.5 games.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 19, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • Kind of off topic, but was Bryan Corey throwing a screw-ball to the Jays in the seventh inning? He struck out Russ Adams and got Ray Olmedo to ground out on a pitch gameday traced with notably exaggerated two-seamer type movement, and which read at 81-82 mph.
    So, screw-ball or just a garden variety (but active) change?

    rabid stan September 19, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • Hey IH if you get a moment email me I have a question for you buddy.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 19, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • Ummm, what words clownboy? I never made any predictions other than thinking that Boston would take the division. I’m not – er – stupid enough to make pronouncements out of my a*^ because I’ve beeen following baseball for longer than October 2004 to the present day.
    Oh, and Trisk, to answer your question:
    Largest comeback was in fact the 14.5 games that the Yankees made up against Boston in 1978. If the Yankees manage to take the division this year, they would equal that.
    The second most hideous/amazing depending on your perspective was the ’69 Cubs/Mets, when the Cubs were up by 10 games with 45 days left.

    IronHorse (yf) September 19, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • 13 games on August 3 is pretty bad.
    One thing I forgot about those ’51 giants though.. Their story was ruined in the end as they lost to the Yanks 4-2 in the Series. I almost wish the Giants had won that one (and the Yanks had just taken another one like in 1964 against the Cards) because the story is so great.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • “Largest comeback was in fact the 14.5 games that the Yankees made up against Boston in 1978.”
    Sorry man, but that’s not correct, it was the 1914 miracle braves who were were 15 games out on July 6 with a 26-40 won-lost record. They went 68-19 in the final 87 games of the season to win the N.L. pennant by 10 games over the New York Giants

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Being born into a house with a mom sox fan and a yankee father fan taught me some valuable lessons on where to draw the line between good hearted jesting and ill spirited attacks… I’ll respectfully disagree on the 2004 comment, I would lose a 20 game division lead again and again and again if it meant we could come back from 3 down and win a world series… or maybe, in the future, just experience a regular drive to the world series haha

    Ed September 19, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • so the Miracle Braves really made up 25 games because they won going away…68-19 to finish the year? That’s so good it’s stupid.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • But Ed, do you mean to tell me that you honestly wouldn’t trade entire histories (not players just results) and take 26 world titles and cave a little on 2004? HOLY COW! That’s a lot of titles. Having been a Yankees fan since 1977, the 6 titles they’ve won over my lifetime has made that easier for me.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • I just don’t think 2004 ruins 26 titles and I don’t think it completely washes away Selling Ruth, 1949, 1978, Buckner, Boone or 2005…

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • I dunno…schadenfreude is wonderful and all, but we DO have 4 games coming up against those same Jays AND they’re throwing Doc and Burnett. So while I’m definitely enjoying the moment, let’s not forget that things can change in a hurry. Chickens, fall, etc.

    yankeemonkey September 19, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • JS (YF): Apologies – you are absoultely right. Thanks for the correction.

    IronHorse (yf) September 19, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Ummm, JS, if the concern over the “a*^” comment was made to me, I think you misundertood. It was clownboy’s words I was feeding back to him, not yours to you. He has made about 10 predictions in 10 days and 12 of them have turned out exactly the opposite of what he prognosticated. Know what I mean?
    But yeah< I tend to save my serious ribbing until after the fact...then let it fly, particularly at those who deserve it. And there is only one who fits that bill here in my view.

    IronHorse (yf) September 19, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • Thanks IH…
    Yeah the B-Jays (Haha) are scary, but it’s at home and as Former Bama head Coach Mike Price said to that Stripper in Florida, “IT’S ROLLIN’ BABY, IT’S ROLLIN’!”

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • //any teams ever lose an ALCS playoff series after being up three games?//
    Heh.

    Hudson September 19, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • NO IH, that happened to me about 6 weeks ago on here.
    It was when Gagne was acquired and I went and posted the Theo quote about not having an “uber” team…
    Someone called me an Ass, so I called him a name, mentioned that real men don’t do Haiku’s, and someone named Paul got all over me…Long time ago, water under the bridge…I’m well now — electroshock, pills, etc.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • That’s what i’m telling you bud. I’m from Hartford, CT and was a whaler fan since I can remember, much like being a sox fan since as long as I can remember… history and championships are great, but they don’t drive me towards a particular team. In fact, it never appealed to me to root for a team that won the most in the past or which had the most rings or stanley cups, whatever. I loved the Patriots long before Tom Brady etc… Being a yankee fan is so easy, being a sox fan, especially before 2004, is not something “easy” but it’s a choice i’ll never regret and i’m happy with their past just the way it is

    Ed September 19, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • I guess if 2004 was all I had, I’d quote it over and over and over again too Hudson. It’s nicer having a quole quill full of arrows though.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Aaahhhh I get it now JS. Thanks. So we’re all agreed then: the only true a*% is clownboy. Great. I can sleep well now.
    Good night all.

    IronHorse (yf) September 19, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Ed,
    I didn’t become a Yankees fan because of their history. Here’s my stupid reason. It was 1977. The Gym Coach at my school in Virginia said, “the world series is on. Pick the Yanks or the Dodgers and the winner after each game doesn’t do calisthenics”
    I picked the Yanks and have been a fan ever since….Dumb reason, but it’s the only one I’ve got.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • It wasn’t anyone named clownboy, but it doesn’t matter.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • JS are you an archer? Nice vocab! Do you get my point though?

    Ed September 19, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • Then you understand my point JS.

    Ed September 19, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • Oh definitely I get your point. My stockbroker’s a Sox fan and a colleague of mine is from Boston. She and I have a bet for lunch on who wins the division, but I’m really just trying to get in her panties cause she’s a sexy broad (KIDDING—PARTICULARLY IF SHE VISITS THIS SITE).
    “Whole quill” not “Quole quill” duh.

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • That must have read like Cindy Brady when she lost her tooth..
    “tif’s not funny buddy!

    JS YF September 19, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • ok, enough for me. Here’s to an interesting next 10 games… my money’s with the yankees but I will never lose faith in the sox… (does that make sense!?) If the Sox do find themselves again, and if they do survive to win the division, perhaps they’ll be a force to reckon with… or perhaps they’ll just limp into the wild card and lose three straight in the ALDS

    Ed September 19, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • JSYF: Remind me again in what years the Yankees and the Red Sox each last won the World Series?

    Hudson September 20, 2007, 2:45 am
  • Thats right Hudson, that matters since the team that has won the world series most recently gets an extra game advantage in the playoffs.

    Sam-YF September 20, 2007, 8:29 am
  • when i saw the scores last night, i had to do a double take.
    the sox can’t be this bad. (and they aren’t.)
    this is eerily similar to the bronx meltdown early on in the season. …everyone seeming to play below their capabilities at the same time…
    they’ll turn it around eventually, i just hope they don’t turn things around until march. (sorry. just being honest.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 20, 2007, 8:35 am
  • When did the Yankees and Red Sox each last made the playoffs? ;P

    Lar September 20, 2007, 9:19 am
  • YFiB: I don’t agree totally ont he analogy to the Bronx meltdown if only because of what time of year it is. The Bronx meltdown happened with several starters and bullpen guys who were eventually jettisoned (Igawa, Pavano, Proctor, etc.) and one of the worst benches in the major leagues (Nieves, Cairo – who I liked, and Phillips). We now have Clemens plus a major youth infusion bolstering both starting rotation and bullpen and one of the best benches in baseball (Betemit, Giambi, Molina, plus the jolt from Duncan and the Sept call-ups).
    I think the Sox slide is much more troubling (to them) since these pichers are all the guys they are taking into October with them. The return of Manny will be HUGE of course and I am by no means ruling this team out. They’ve won too many to suddenly be bad. But I think they are in markedly worse shape right now than any of the other 3 AL playoff teams, just because they know the least about what they are going to get from some pretty key players, especially the all-important pitchers.

    IronHorse (yf) September 20, 2007, 9:38 am
  • ih: i’d say the fact that the sox players had been playing so well for so long (essentially the same players they will be taking into october) bodes well for them. obviously they’d rather all of the kinks were worked out and this isn’t enjoyable for anyone rooting for them, but i expect them to click again.
    the yankees’ pitchers have been hitting similar rough patches. for instance, mussina sat out for a bit and now seems to be closer to where he’d like to be. francona will be resting his starters, too. does this mean that the sox pitchers are guaranteed to improve in a timely manner? of course not. i’m not counting them out though.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 20, 2007, 9:59 am
  • Oh Ed…to quote “… Being a yankee fan is so easy, being a sox fan, especially before 2004, is not something “easy” but it’s a choice i’ll never regret and i’m happy with their past just the way it is…”
    Umm, I am really tired of the revisionist history and spin Red Sox fans put on Yankee fandom. I am a child of the 80’s essentially, so I, like many other 30-something Yankee fans had very faint memories of a 1980 World Series run, but otherwise, spent my entire little league/junior high/high school years rooting for a team that could never do better than third place and took a back seat to the Mets’ glory years. Cheering for the Yankees and going to the stadium in the height of the crack wars was REALLY “easy”. Dare I say it was much easier to be a Red Sox fan then given Rocket, Dwight Evans, etc, and the success they had over than period. I waited on something to cheer for (aside from the Winfield/Mattingly batting title race or a Mel Hall rare homerun) until 1994…a season that was promptly scrapped for a strike. My buddies wanted to know why I wore Randolph’s number when I played second base, instead of Wally Backman. I think it is fair to say at this point that the Red Sox and the Yankees are no different when it comes to the bandwagon.

    Jrprofess YF September 20, 2007, 12:37 pm
  • Right on, Jrprofess. But that being said, why do so many Yankee fans who started rooting for the team as late as the 80s hold the prior history of the two teams over Sox fans like a gun to their head? Seems like if we are willing to acknowledge that there is a legion of fans who have rooted for both teams through thick and thin, using the long-term successes of a franchise as an indication of some sort of fan superiority, (that is, events from long before any of us started rooting for a given team) is similarly wrongheaded.

    SF September 20, 2007, 12:43 pm
  • The 26 championship thing seems to often be in response to the GREATEST CHOKE in history thing. Or vice versa. They are both obnoxious.
    What makes me laugh is that fans on both sides spew back and forth at each other with the choke or the championship thing as if they were rounding third and heading home in those instances. These are teams we root for, and support. Were we stealing second as well?? I think as of 2007 both fan bases should realize that we are 98.5% the same as far as the teams we support are concerned…now I realize many have been supporting these organizations since RUTH and YAZ, blah blah blah. But my point is, in constantly pointing out each other’s vast superiority we are simply both being arrogant as far as the rest of the league is concerned (and their fan bases). Kansas City, Milwaukee, Colorado, etc, all think our fans on the road are arrogant and obnoxious and that we think we are better than them. Which of course, we are… :)

    Jrprofess YF September 20, 2007, 12:58 pm
  • Amen JR…we are!

    JS YF September 20, 2007, 8:31 pm

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