Lou Habla’ing About A-Rod

According to reports, the new manager of the Cubs wants A-Rod. There are few people in baseball whom the third baseman trusts more than Captain Lou. Earlier this season, Rodriguez turned to Pineilla for help during his prolonged slump. So, it’s quite possible that the Yanks slugger would waive his no-trade clause in the case a deal was pursued.

Now I’ll float out a rumor with no basis in reality. According to my godfather’s son’s fiance’s German Shepherd’s trainer, the Cubs are willing to part with Aramis Ramirez, Mark Prior and a prospect (either Ronny Cedeno or Donny Veal) for A-Rod and Kyle Farnsworth. The Yanks would pick up $16 million in A-Rod’s remaining salary. Caveat: The dog trainer doesn’t exist.

Yanks fans, would you make this trade? I’m wondering what exactly is an acceptable return on A-Rod?

37 comments… add one
  • I’m not a Yankee fan, as you know, but this deal would be too sweet for NY to NOT make. Prior, when healthy (and I really think it’s more to do with that medical staff then Wood or Prior), is Halliday like – only nastier.
    This would be a HUGE deal if it ever went down.

    Brad October 17, 2006, 1:47 pm
  • No!! What about Mark Prior makes you think that he’s over his injury troubles? This would turn into a Ramirez for A-Rod trade, which would look terrible when Alex smashes 65 HRs and drives in 150 Ribbies while leading the NL in OPS next season.
    Okay, that’s the last thing I’m saying on the whole “don’t trade A-Rod” thing, I promise.

    Sam October 17, 2006, 1:51 pm
  • If Prior were actually, you know, healthy, I’d do that trade. In reality, he’ll keep Pavano company on the DL when Carl has a hangnail next season.
    I am not a supporter of the “Trade A-Rod” movement and I don’t think there’s any way this comes out as a plus for NYY. If they do decide to go through with it, though,I think the only way the Yanks might get decent value out of A-Rod is by getting involved in a 3-way deal.

    yankeemonkey October 17, 2006, 1:56 pm
  • It’s my duty to report that the rest of the moderators at YFSF find Nick’s subject line to this thread racist and demeaning, and he is subsequently fired.
    Sorry, Nick. :-P

    Paul SF October 17, 2006, 2:03 pm
  • Of course, in NY, it doesn’t matter if he hits 80 HR’s and 200 RBI’s if he still doesn’t hit in the postseason.. and in a Cubs uniform, he’s not going to get many chances to prove NY wrong in the postseason..

    Lar October 17, 2006, 2:36 pm
  • At least in Chicago A-Rod wouldn’t have to worry about fallout from failing in the post-season.

    SF October 17, 2006, 2:39 pm
  • Bad trade, in my opinion. We need pitching, and a few innings of Prior a year is not going to fill that need.

    Andrews October 17, 2006, 2:40 pm
  • Lar: didn’t mean to steal your line – posts got crossed in the internets.

    SF October 17, 2006, 2:40 pm
  • SF: It’s all good. =)
    I personally actually wants to see ARod succeed in New York.. and that trade is a definite trade down, talent-wise, as big as a Mark Prior fan I was.. (he won me many fantasy leagues – but that was too long and too many injuries ago)
    I think pitching can probably be addressed through the free agency (cue the stereotypical Yankee position!) and I’ll be shocked if the Yanks don’t get Matsuzaka after yet another early exit from the postseason due to, *grasp*, lack of starting pitching. (If only err.. the youngsters would just behave and not get into motocycle accidents!)
    And I would love Zito, but I think he’ll probably go to the Mets..

    Lar October 17, 2006, 2:47 pm
  • The problem with Ramirez is that he’s an FA in a year. I’m not sure the Yanks are going to want Prior (who, btw, has already rejected the team once.) Zambrano seems a more likely target, as he’s never been that popular in Chicago, nevermind that he’s the ace of their staff and hits better than several of the infielders they used in 2006 (Perez, Womack). If Ramirez can be extended for a few years, and the Yanks can get Zambrano and dump Pavano back to the NL in exchange, it just might be a doable project.
    But probably not.

    YF October 17, 2006, 2:51 pm
  • YF – I would love Zambrano, who seems to be a good inning eater (though it might just because Baker really leaves people in for too long.. for more information see Prior, Woods) but there’s no reason for Chicago to do that deal..

    Lar October 17, 2006, 2:53 pm
  • Probably slightly off-topic is this excellent blog post I read about Matsuzaka and the posting system. I suppose we’ll see how it really goes, but hopefully it’ll work out for the Yanks..

    Lar October 17, 2006, 2:56 pm
  • To answer this question, I’m going to channel my friend Matt, a miserable 37-year-old Cubs fan originally from Chicago whose sole purpose in life right now is watching and waiting for his father’s Cards tank it so the whole family can be miserable. Aaaoohhhmmmmm.
    Our Minds Our One.
    Well, first of all, let me tell you how much most Yankees fans suck. Well, except for the ones here; you are obviously intelligent, balanced, reasonable and full of love and charity. Except for that jerky gerbil. But the rest of you Yankee fans not here, just you let me get going. You have all this money, all these players, you’re in the post season every frickin’ year, and all you do is bitch about collosal disappointments and failed expectations, and then babble for five months about which 50 million dollar player you are going to buy next year. And you want to know the worst part of all? Your team will actually go and do it for you. You don’t know the meaning of pain. And I take back what I said about the ones here. Screw you. You all make me want to wretch.
    Secondly, I have to say I’m happy the Tribune Corp signed Lou. We need a lunatic in the dugout and I’m tired of that psychotic on the south side getting all the ink. Mariotti, better duck: here comes a chair high and tight.
    Okay, I’ve got my bell and buzzer. Let’s score this deal for my Cubbies:
    1. ARod for ARam? Easy one. Ramirez had a slightly better year, but I think what you see from ARam was near peak production whereas ARod was nearly his equal this year offensively, is a far better baserunner and scores more runs, and will bounce back once in a city where the fans love their ballplayers like Chicago.
    So maybe ARod is a head case. Lou will defend him like a pitbull with a ham hock. You Yanks were crazy to a) screw with this guy’s mind, and b) think about letting this guy go. I foresee many baseballs landing on Waverly Avenue. **DING**
    2. Mark Prior for Kyle Farnsworth?
    Prior? He’s more fragile than an origami condom. Take him, please. Between him and Wood, the Cubs staff has been the peerless symbol of unrealized ability and the source of years of false confidence every April. **DING**
    Farnsworth is as much or more of a basket-case than ARod; as my jerky friend attackgerbil says, “box of chocolates”, and one in two has a rusty lug nut center. And who will be your onfield muscle once Farnsinator is gone, you gonna get Zim back on the bench? Don’t think so. No thanks, we sent Farns, that ulcer-maker away and now he just keeps coming back like that burning sensation after shore leave in Manila. **BZZZT**
    3. Giving up prospects Cendeno or Veal to sucker you Yanks into falling for this three-card-monte deal?
    Cedeno is a slick-fielding second baseman who probably won’t ever be more than average with a bat. Why do you guys need him? **DING**
    Veal is a stud and should be permanently off limits. He could very well be the future ace of the Cubs staff (now that Dusty can’t wreck him), and if the Tribune Company is willing to part with him to make this deal happen, they are idiots. Wait, we already knew that. **BZZZT**
    So, Yankee fans, if you are so anxious to get rid of ARod that you would actually take on Mark Prior, who will pitch two starts and then land on the DL with his only job being riding around with Carl Pavano reminding him that the brake pedal is on the left, go for it. And you can keep Farns while you’re at it.
    End Mind Meld
    Whew. Glad to have him out of my head. The inner workings of the mind of a Cub fan is like that seen with the horse in “The Cell.” At the outset, everything looks fine, but you know something horrible will happen, and there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it. It’s just a question of when.
    Along those lines, Matt forgot to mention in the bizarro Cub universe every thing that should work well turns out the opposite. So maybe the trade is a good idea. And maybe we can just send them Farns anyway, NSA.

    attackgerbil October 17, 2006, 3:06 pm
  • Thanks, AG, for referencing one of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite movies.
    As a Sox fan, I would be quite pleased with what essentially amounts to a downgrade at first with no signficant upgrade in the rotation for the Yanks. Go for it, Stein … er, Cash.

    Paul SF October 17, 2006, 3:37 pm
  • Lar, Zito would be a terrible pickup. Look at his stats this year – he’s getting worse in every single relevant category.
    I don’t think his drop off will be as extreme as Mulder’s or Hudson’s, but he, like the other two, won’t be the same pitcher in the next five years that he was in the past five years. And that’s pitching in the AL West rather than the AL East! Bad move all round.
    If I was Zito, I’d definitely go to AAAA ball. Why all AL pitchers don’t do this (with the exception of legends like The Doc and Johann) I have no idea. Look how well Mota is doing with the Mets, or Weaver with the Cards!
    My bet is Dodgers or Mets for Zito.

    Sam October 17, 2006, 3:50 pm
  • seen/scene rather. Speling not so gud tooday.

    attackgerbil October 17, 2006, 3:51 pm
  • Can we sign Wood too? I think he is a FA.

    Seth October 17, 2006, 4:56 pm
  • I know you post in sarcasm, Seth, but isn’t it worth it for either of our respective teams to take a flyer on Wood. Using him in the bullpen and not letting him see the rotation may work for him. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, the downfall of the Chicago pitching staff should be put squarely on the coaches. They’ve gotten lucky that Zambrano hasn’t been hurt bad so far. I think Wood and Prior are both good pitchers, who flop withing that inept system.
    Wood seems like a cheap, good pickup for either team, say, if the contract was laced with big money incentives ala David Wells. The guy could be the real deal with people that know how to take care of him.
    Also, you can replace Wood with Gagne anwhere in this discussion.

    Brad October 17, 2006, 5:01 pm
  • There’s really no deal that works from the Cubs.
    If you trade A-Rod you need to get at least one young, front-of-the-rotation starter. Santana and Halladay and Oswalt aren’t going anywhere, so you’re probably looking at John Lackey or Jake Peavy, and I doubt the Angels trade Lackey.
    I guess SD could package something around Peavy or Chris Young.

    PTO October 17, 2006, 5:07 pm
  • PTO – in theory, Zambrano from the Cubs would be an attractive option, but all other considerations aside (workload etc), they’d be nuts to trade him given how important he is to their rotation.
    FWIW, I’m mildly bemused at Piniella’s hiring in Chi-Town. Strikes me that it was done more for headlines rather than what that team really needs. But hey, I’m sure John Hendry knows baseball better than me…

    Sam October 17, 2006, 5:25 pm
  • Peavy would be a great pickup, but highly doubtful the Pads get rid of a guy they love for a guy NY can’t wait to rid themselves of. It’s not a good market for A-Rod or Manny, and neither team will get a top of the line starter for them, much less in combonation with other players too.

    Brad October 17, 2006, 5:41 pm
  • I think Wood will be a steal this offseason. I also think Prior will still be very good and think he can make the move to the AL. Brad, I agree with you again.
    Also, when discussing what the yanks should do are we supposed to take into account money? Is a salary dump type trade of Arod and Pavano to a team for only prospects a good one (hello dodgers)? I like the idea of getting younger (hungrier) players, but I also do not mind that the yankees spend (waste?) a ton of money.

    Seth October 17, 2006, 5:45 pm
  • …i know this discussion is speculative only for fun, but i don’t believe arod is going anywhere…remembering that the guy has a no trade clause, and despite his perceived lack of confidence, he still has one of the biggest egos in sports…leaving ny, especially for a team that has a significantly less chance of making the post season, would be an admission of failure, by both he and the yankees…ain’t gonna happen…just like the torre story, this will fizzle…

    dc October 17, 2006, 10:24 pm
  • …leaving ny, especially for a team that has a significantly less chance of making the post season, would be an admission of failure, by both he and the yankees…ain’t gonna happen…just like the torre story, this will fizzle…
    Which would be an accurate statement only until he sticks it to them every single time he plays them. If traded it’s not a failure, it’s just another business deal gone wrong. Acting as if a player isn’t successful because they don’t-didn’t-or can’t play in NY is the lowest thing ever. Players are good in other places, and just because it makes for good banter to assume that NY is the heigth of all things baseball between Yankee fans, it’s simply not the truth.
    It’s one of the ways that NY’ers simplify the careers of other players in other cities, or overrate the mediocre careers of players that succeed in NY.
    The whole “they didn’t do it on the big stage in NY, or couldn’t do it….” is a horrible thing to put on a player, and realistically, is a line of BS.
    A-Rod’s career will never, ever be viewed as a failure if he leaves NY, and that doesn’t matter if he goes onto go yard 400 more times in KC.

    Brad October 18, 2006, 9:13 am
  • I wish you were right, Brad, but I also think that the media feeds that BS. Unless A-Rod went off and won a WS ring elsewhere, he’d always have the “failed in NY” stigma attached to him. What would compound the problem is that the Yanks are likely to win the big one again while A-Rod’s still playing, and that would add fuel to the whole “they’re better when he leaves” meme.

    Sam October 18, 2006, 9:17 am
  • Oh, I totally agree with you Sam. I don’t argue the fact that they’ll say that, but I do argue the fact that it’s true. A-Rod’s going to win at some point, and my guess is that the Yankees would be better with another personality, but it has positively nothing to do with the player the man is.

    Brad October 18, 2006, 9:30 am
  • …brad…personally, i don’t think arod is a failure…the point i was trying to make is that in arod’s OWN mind leaving ny would be an admission of failure…that’s something his huge ego will never allow…don’t discount another thought rolling around in his mind: “if jeter can do it, i can”…you’re right that other players have had some success after leaving ny on not the best of terms…2 of them are still in the post season…jeff weaver and kenny rogers…that doesn’t erase their ny disasters in that they will always be considered choking losers that couldn’t handle the ny pressure…probably not fair, but that’s the way it is…since it looks like one of them will be on a ws winner, it’ll be interesting to see how their detractors [and i’m one of them] treat them if they do well individually…do you have any good recipes for crow?…

    Anonymous October 18, 2006, 10:18 am
  • …last post was me…

    dc October 18, 2006, 10:19 am
  • I think this ridiculousness is saying more about Yank fans and media than about A-Rod. Does anyone think a normal baseball fan looks at a guy with 35-plus HR, 110-plus RBI and a .280-plus BA in all three of his years in NY as someone who “couldn’t cut it on the big stage” just because he’s had 15 bad postseason at-bats?
    I doubt it, even as someone who loves to hate him…

    Paul SF October 18, 2006, 12:06 pm
  • Amazingly, I think we all seem to mostly agree on this one. What’s happened here at YFSF?!

    SF October 18, 2006, 12:11 pm
  • I think the Yankee’s will listen to Arod trade talks and perhaps make a move it they get back = value. What’s = value ???
    The Yankee’s have enough offense – they need pitching & yes they will get Mutsuzaka b/c they have the most $$$$$. The most $$$$ and yet they keep losing! Keep Arod, it is too much fun to watch him choke in the Postseason. He is the official COOLER!

    lee-visor October 18, 2006, 12:41 pm
  • …i don’t think it’s “ridiculousness” to contemplate what arod might be thinking about a possible departure from ny…he appears to have a complicated and fragile psyche that may be affecting his performance…and let’s face it, he does care how his ny legacy is perceived…so, it may be [in his mind] in his best interests to stay and try to win some love…sf’s and the beanie media have been just as caustic in their observations about arod’s post season performance as yankee fans, so it’s a bit disingenuous to lay it all on yf’s…

    dc October 18, 2006, 1:24 pm
  • I’m still all for keeping ARod, but if they trade him, I’m just saying that there are very little chance he’ll prove the Yanks (and the media) wrong about him..

    Lar October 18, 2006, 1:28 pm
  • some of the talk i’ve heard has been…..a-rod going to the other team from chicago for buehrle and crede. this deal seems like a workable one to me.

    sf rod October 18, 2006, 1:41 pm
  • The whole “they didn’t do it on the big stage in NY, or couldn’t do it….” is a horrible thing to put on a player, and realistically, is a line of BS.
    I don’t agree with this. Some players just can’t perform under pressure, and it goes without saying that the pressure here( and in Boston) is incredible. In addition,A Rod’s ego adds an additional layer. This is the reason he crumbles more often than not in clutch situations. I heard a very interesting interview on XM a couple weeks ago with Mike Timlin. He talked about his approach with A Rod and how it changes when he’s in ” Hero mode “, trying to pull everything out of the park, which makes him vulnerable to pitches down and away. This hasn’t been “put on” him without reason. As someone who watches 150 or so Yanks games a year, I can say there is something to this line of reasoning.
    While A Rod’s career certainly won’t be viewed as a failure if he moves on and succeeds elsewhere, it will definitely be tainted by his inability to perform in NY.

    Andrews October 18, 2006, 1:44 pm
  • dc, I wasn’t saying it was ridiculousness for A-Rod to want the hell away from the Bronx. He has been treated unfairly by nearly all media and apparently the vast majority of Yankee fans (if the cascades of boos from the thousands at Yankee Stadium every night are to be believed).
    And I agree with Andrews, that A-Rod tries too hard in pressure situations. I just wonder which is the cause and which is the effect.
    Chicken:Egg::A-Rod’s underperformance in key situations:Fan and media criticism

    Paul SF October 18, 2006, 2:21 pm
  • Chicken:Egg::A-Rod’s underperformance in key situations:Fan and media criticism
    Opposite sides of a snowball. (rolling downhill)

    Andrews October 18, 2006, 3:12 pm

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