Mussina Calls Pavano Out

From Lohud:

Asked if Pavano should get the benefit of the doubt, Mussina didn’t hesitate.

“No, not yet,” he said.

He later said:

didn’t look good from a player’s and a teammate’s standpoint. … As
another starting pitcher who has not been 100 percent all of the last
two years, I know what it takes to go out there and pitch. … Actions
speak louder than words.”

This is how teams build chemistry: Your legendary reliever complains about management’s lack of respect toward himself and another veteran. One of your team leaders publicly doubts another player’s committment. And let’s not forget that at the end of last season, Torre did a number of things to undermine A-Rod’s confidence. Is Joe losing his handle on this ball club? This isn’t your late ’90s Yanks, is it? The Yanks are sure airing their dirty laundry. Is it therapeutic or a bad idea?

39 comments… add one
  • I think the Yankees are so cranky this season after what happen in playoffs against the Tigers in alds last year. It’s been nearly seven years Yankees haven’t won a world series.
    2003 – Lost to Marlins in World series
    2004 – Blowing 3-0 lead and choke againe Bosawx
    2005 – Lost against Angels in game5 in first round of the playoffs
    2006 – It was embrassing lost what happen last year against the tigers.

    LostKitty February 15, 2007, 4:13 pm
  • After Redsox made a significant improvement to their ballclub this offseason, and Other teams in the Al east have dramatically improved. This last chance and urgency Yankees to win world series in 2007.

    LostKitty February 15, 2007, 4:16 pm
  • Torre was on Rome is burning and said “I won’t say there is or isn’t bad blood between Alex and I, but it’s not worth us sitting down to talk about it”
    What does that mean?
    I think it suggests that Torre knows Alex’s feelings were hurt, and he knows that Alex may have a chip on his shoulder about it, and he doesn’t give a hoot?
    I love the hoopla over there. It takes away from 134 clips of Matsuzaka playing catch every day!

    Brad February 15, 2007, 4:20 pm
  • LostKitty, your analysis is so insightful (please sense my sarcasm).

    10019 February 15, 2007, 4:25 pm
  • When was Torre on Rome is Burning?

    Alex February 15, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • No, I’m sorry. Rome was quoting Torre on Rome was Burning, then proceeded to rip him a new ass for saying such about Alex; it kind of came off like Rome and Alex are good friends or something and he was standing up for Alex more than getting on Torre.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • Isn’t spring training a little early for these kinds of soap operas? Wow.

    mouse - SF February 15, 2007, 6:11 pm
  • just keep pavano out of kerry wood’s hot tub.

    sf rod February 15, 2007, 6:31 pm
  • “After Redsox made a significant improvement to their ballclub this offseason, and Other teams in the Al east have dramatically improved. This last chance and urgency Yankees to win world series in 2007.”
    I actually think the Yankees will be in a much better position in 08′ and 09′. I expect 07′ to be a down year.

    Ted February 15, 2007, 6:38 pm
  • I don’t know if I agree – Boston improved their lineup, it’s true, but will it pay immediate dividends? I’m not sure. At least for me, I think DMat and Paps will be good – but will they come this quickly? I still have my money on the Yanks for AL East..
    As for a World Series, we’ll see..

    Lar February 15, 2007, 6:41 pm
  • I don’t know if I agree – Boston improved their lineup, it’s true, but will it pay immediate dividends? I’m not sure. At least for me, I think DMat and Paps will be good – but will they come this quickly? I still have my money on the Yanks for AL East..
    As for a World Series, we’ll see..

    Lar February 15, 2007, 6:42 pm
  • I don’t know if I agree – Boston improved their lineup, it’s true, but will it pay immediate dividends? I’m not sure. At least for me, I think DMat and Paps will be good – but will they come this quickly? I still have my money on the Yanks for AL East..
    As for a World Series, we’ll see..

    Lar February 15, 2007, 6:42 pm
  • rome is a moron…i watched him once [the famous jim [chrissy] everett show in the early days, and vowed i’d never watch him again…i usually catch the last minute though while waiting for “around the horn” to start…for espn to continue to feature this guy shows the low standard they’ve set for themselves…i’m not particularly worried about the dissension issue on the yankees…anyone remember the teams of the late 70’s with reggie and billy and billy again and billy again, and munson, and nettles?…they survived [even thrived] through the bickering…

    dc February 15, 2007, 6:46 pm
  • This is the Bronx Zoo Redux; all we need now is for Torre to try to fight A-Rod, and for Posada to keep a loaded .357 in his locker. (God, Thurman Munson was a badass).

    bloodyank78 February 15, 2007, 7:29 pm
  • Sorry dc, I didn’t see your late 70’s era reference. Didn’t mean to repeat it.

    bloodyank78 February 15, 2007, 7:31 pm
  • Holy shit, more good stuff from Yankeeland; Steve Swindal has been arrested for DUI. Go to Pete Abe’s blog for the details.

    bloodyank78 February 15, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • Hmmmm, Swindal is George’s son in law. Hope he wasn’t out cruising the red light district.

    Whatever February 15, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • I guess I can understand where Moose is coming from. A few weeks ago he said Pavano had to bridge a gap with his teammates. And now Carl has spent several days saying everyone’s fine with him and he doesn’t owe anyone anything, etc.
    What is Mussina supposed to say, “Sure, he should get the benefit of the doubt; I was just kidding earlier.”?

    Conchita February 15, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Whatever his teammates have to say about him, Pavano has no one to blame but himself.
    That crashing his Porsche, resulting in busted up ribs and not saying anything about it to the Yankees for a couple of weeks stunt was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
    He should just shut up, take his lumps, work hard, and try to show he can still pitch.

    Whatever February 15, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • Not to start drama WE, but did Pavano say anything? I am pretty sure he knows not to say a word at this point. I know he is a walking injury and has done some pretty darn crappy things as a teammate, but if he can stay healthy he is a decent pitcher. I am genuinely rooting for this guy to not only succeed, but to win over the fans in the interim.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 15, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • I actually think what Mussina said in regards to Pavano was pretty neccessary at this point for the Yankees. Even when acknowledging that respect needs to be earned, he’s acted pretty cavalier about it, almost seeming like he thinks there will be no question or maybe should be no question about his desire.
    My semi-related question is this: YFs, Am I remembering this incorrectly, or was Mussina a little less vocal his first few seasons in the Bronx? Seems like he’s shot off at the mouth a lot the last couple years, but I might just not be recalling everything.

    QuoSF February 15, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Trisky,
    Well, apparently when asked about Joe Torre’s statement saying that he (Pavano) had some sizable work to do to win over his teammates, Carl’s response was, “thats Joe’s opinion”, and then Pavano went on to blame the media for his “image” problems.
    This makes me think perhaps Carl still has somewhat of an attitude adjustment to make.
    But I, like you, am hoping Pavano can come back and somehow be something like the pitcher he was in his last year in Florida. Wishful thinking most definitely, but as I’m sure you know, a healthy Pavano, pitching like he was once capable, would be a huge plus for the Yank’s chances this year.
    If he could pitch well again, he could win over the fans quickly, I would say. But if he does appear to be healthy this spring, he could very well be traded, so who knows how it will play out? Should be interesting.

    Whatever February 15, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Quo, I would agree that Moose has seemed a little more vocal the last couple of years, but I think it’s always been Mussina’s way to speak his mind in an honest and articulate fashion when asked about something, even if it may be slightly controversial.
    But I don’t think we’ll see him calling WFAN anytime soon to opine on the issues like that guy up in Boston likes to do, uh, I forget his name.

    Whatever February 15, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • I am definitely not opposed to trading him, would I be dissapointed, sure, but I would live. I think IF they do trade him, they need to get closer to the deadline. Assuming they do trade him, that means Hughes would come up and I really think regardless of his spring he needs some more time. Even if it’s 2 months.
    Other then the chatter to the media, I really like this team and that’s the first time I can say I like the whole team in a long time.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 15, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • WE, I wasn’t trying to make the point that he was wrong in doing it. You’ll see that I agreed that it was a neccessary sentiment to communicate, and he’s the right guy to do it as the staff leader. I wasn’t trying to turn this into a Schill/Mussina debate as to who is the bigger blowhard. I think we all know which one is.

    QuoSF February 15, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • Quo, I know you weren’t saying Moose was wrong, and I also realize you weren’t looking to debate Moose vs.Schill. Meanwhile, my shadowy reference to Schill was purely tongue in cheek, and no offense was intended.
    A lot of my posts are meant to be taken in a joking fashion (not always), but are often taken to be serious and as a result, I raise the ire of some. I need some happy faces to indicate “tongue-in-cheek” content or something.

    Whatever February 15, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • Trisky,
    I too like this team, and really like what Cashman has done this winter, especially to rebuild the farm system.
    Phil Hughes has gotten a lot of hype, but has really only proven he can get AA hitters out. Let’s be careful, and see what he can do at AAA.

    Whatever February 15, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • I think everyone on the entire worldwidewebernet needs a symbol to represent that sentiment, WE. I reacted a bit too strongly, especially since we basically ended up agreeing on this/both issues anyway.

    QuoSF February 15, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • Yeah Quo, when you can’t see a person’s face, nor hear the tone of their voice, and only read words on a screen, thoughts can be easily misconstrued.

    Whatever February 15, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • i’ve seen this sign used to convey sarcasm
    for example: quo and whatever, get a room

    not sure what the ‘g’ means, though. grinning, perhaps? guffaw?

    samaritan February 15, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • I usually put in a =P to make it very obvious.. “” is an old internet anachronism that no one uses anymore, and it’s suppose to be a grin, but it went the way of “re”..

    Lar February 16, 2007, 12:49 am
  • Pavano must be a totally marshmallowy a–hole if a complete milquetoast like Mussina feels he can chirp about him.

    SF February 16, 2007, 6:53 am
  • If Pavano goes 19 and 8, all will be forgiven. If he goes on and off the DL and ends up 6 and 9, he’ll be gone.
    A-Rod had what for him was a mediocre year, and had the most rbis on the team that scored 63 runs more than anyone else in baseball. Unless he’s a total headcase, this year he will do better and all will be forgiven. On the other hand, if he continues to boot balls and and put himself into mental slumps, the Yanks wouldn’t be unhappy to see him exercise his option and go somewhere else. But would Boras really have him give up the biggest contract in baseball after two sub-par years?

    john February 16, 2007, 11:59 am
  • Actually, I’d bet you the Yankees are hoping against hope that A-Rod doesn’t exercise his option. He one of the best values in baseball, among players who are signed to long-term deals. If you realize that the Yankees are only paying about $16-17 million per year of A-Rod’s contract, you’ll see what an absolute steal that trade was. I mean, my god. I don’t think the Yankees will be hoping to let go of that deal anytime soon.

    Andrew February 16, 2007, 12:04 pm
  • A-Rod is one of the few players who can give you 121 rbis and be a distraction (Manny’s another, but he does it differently).
    I think A-Rod will have a better year this year and keep the biggest contract in baseball.
    Don’t forget that Griffey left the Mariners in 1999 and A-Rod left the following year. The year after that the Ms won 114 games.
    The Big Unit left in 1998. You can’t find an infielder, an outfielder and a pitcher with much more talent than those three.

    john February 16, 2007, 12:23 pm
  • Considering the free agent market in 2007-08, I would think the Red Sox are hoping for and the Yankees against an A-Rod opt out. Barring a Helton trade this spring training, of course.

    Paul SF February 16, 2007, 6:41 pm
  • Hey, you want team controversy? I got yer controversy right here.
    I’m teaching at Notre Dame this semester (I’m the old guy), and so I read about the Pale Hose and the Cubbies in the local papers. They call Kerry Woods “Mrs. Woods.”

    john February 17, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • Trisk, I agree with you almost completely regarding Pavano, but it is what he “didn’t say” as WE referenced that irks me. He had a bad run compounded by unfortunate circumstance to considerable extent, but not reporting his car accident was a ridiculous omission. The guy was able to throw at a star level, and I hope he gets that chance again to prove his worth. In the mean time, it’s not like Mussina is covering new ground in that everyone questions Pavano’s dedication. It’s on him now, and hopefully fate and/or repeats of past indiscretions won’t torpedo his chance to prove that he’s a caliber pitcher that just ran into a bad stretch of road, as it were.

    attackgerbil February 17, 2007, 5:18 pm
  • If A-Rod has any kind of year, he’ll opt out or leverage it for more years and dollars from the Yankees. He’d be foolish not to do one of those two things. The math is very simple.

    SF February 17, 2007, 6:40 pm

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