We’ll always have Nancy.
(Good for him and good for baseball. It was a fun and exciting exhibition.)
A YFJuly 16, 2008, 5:57 am
Glad to see the AL won in the end, even if I was sleeping. Great to see Drew get the MVP too, instead of Michael Young! Nobody deserves an MVP award for a sac-fly.
AtheoseJuly 16, 2008, 8:05 am
Woah woah woah, the Sox don’t play again until Friday? What the hell is this shit?
AtheoseJuly 16, 2008, 8:25 am
My guess is that it’s a nice, well deserved break for having played so many games in the first half (97), plus starting the season on a west coast and far west coast road trip.
BradJuly 16, 2008, 9:43 am
Congrats to Drew, he had a hell of a night and he was the only one that deserved the award.
I hate to bring this up, but have to say it, Yankees fans should be absolutely ashamed today. Absolutely pathetic display last night.
LocklandSFJuly 16, 2008, 10:13 am
So remember JD the next time you want to dog Coco, Lugo or Tek; sometimes it’s not the player who sucks, but your opinion of him.
JD sends his regards to SF and the YFSF blog of 2007.
Ya, sometimes. But mostly, it’s the player who sucks.
LarJuly 16, 2008, 10:29 am
I must remind you again, that in ’99, the same thing happen. Eh, fans are going to be fans.
LarJuly 16, 2008, 10:32 am
I usually put Dirty Water on ignore because he’s not very much into engaging any discussion, instead bringing a solipsistic agenda to these parts designed to alienate at least one or two people per post. But in this case, I wanted to point out that SF and Paul both defended Drew in 2007–For instance, SF wrote eloquently about why Drew’s son’s struggles might be hurting his performance. It would help if Dirty Water cared enough to read the positions he’s attacking.
Nick-YFJuly 16, 2008, 10:34 am
Is the game over yet?
DW: I’m not sure what you’re meaning is there. SF was maybe the only JD defender on the blogosphere for a long time. (Or is that your meaning?) Credit where it’s due.
YFJuly 16, 2008, 10:36 am
I think I defended Drew pretty often last year. He was going through some pretty difficult personal problems, namely his son being put in a body cast for several months. Can’t blame a guy for having other stuff on his mind.
Really glad to see him succeeding this year.
AtheoseJuly 16, 2008, 10:38 am
Yeah YF, I think DW might be confusing Drew with Lugo. SF railed on Lugo more than anyone.
Rightfully so, of course.
AtheoseJuly 16, 2008, 10:41 am
“I hate to bring this up, but have to say it, Yankees fans should be absolutely ashamed today. Absolutely pathetic display last night.”
I guess I’m not. They booed a couple of Red Sox players. Is this shocking or even a story? They booed Papelbon, whose pic was on the back of the Daily News the day of the game talking about how he should close in Yankee Stadium. These are headline readers. Is this surprising that they rooted against him?
Nick-YFJuly 16, 2008, 10:44 am
“Ya, sometimes. But mostly, it’s the player who sucks.”
BINGO!
I’m guilty of getting on Drew last year and I have seen that light and apologized for my errors.
LocklandSFJuly 16, 2008, 10:44 am
For the record, I always thought Drew was good, but that he was injury-prone, and was shocked that he actually played most of the season, but poorly.
LarJuly 16, 2008, 10:50 am
I’m not talking about the booing of the Red Sox players in general. I’m talking specifically about their rooting against Papelbon when he was pitching. Boo him all you want when he’s announced, chant, etc, but then put the that away and support your team for the night. You can go back to chanting and booing right after that.
Also, threatening him and his wife in the parade over a totally blown out of proportion story?
Also, they were booing JD Drew’s MVP, seriously?
None of this would be an issue if this game was meaningless, like it should be.
LocklandSFJuly 16, 2008, 10:50 am
“I hate to bring this up, but have to say it, Yankees fans should be absolutely ashamed today. Absolutely pathetic display last night.”
So why bring it up?
Meanwhile, the Yanks got a TON of love at Fenway in ’99, didn’t they?
By the way, Torre was just as good then as Tito – pulling Nomah mid-inning for Jeter. Glad the latter used the same template, but it’s always more fun to have villians – as Lockland makes perfectly clear in trying to pick a fight. It would have been fun if Tito pitched Mo in the 3rd and left Varitek out there for the whole game. But he’s that much smarter than his closer.
A YFJuly 16, 2008, 10:50 am
“Boo him all you want when he’s announced, chant, etc, but then put the that away and support your team for the night.”
“Also, they were booing JD Drew’s MVP, seriously?”
How about some cheese and crackers with your whine?
“Also, threatening him and his wife in the parade over a totally blown out of proportion story?”
I’m sure they felt *really* threatened. Papsy = Drama Queen.
PeteAbe makes that perfectly clear. He knew three days ago that he wouldn’t be closing. And yet he made it a story where it wasn’t one. Be gracious and STFU.
A YFJuly 16, 2008, 10:53 am
Keep trying to tell your self that it was the exact same in 1999, if you say it over and over again, maybe some day it will be true. I’m just looking for a little honesty here.
LocklandSFJuly 16, 2008, 10:58 am
“I’m just looking for a little honesty here.”
Better for you to look here than in the mirror.
A YFJuly 16, 2008, 10:59 am
He knew three days ago that he wouldn’t be closing. And yet he the media made it a story where it wasn’t one.
There, fixed it for you.
AtheoseJuly 16, 2008, 11:00 am
Lockland – I don’t support the wife-threatening, but WasWatching sums it up for me: http://waswatching.com/2008/07/16/papelbon-says-nyc-rude-to-his-wife/
Not too clear, but it only takes one idiot to go “I’m going to kill you!” or something. Eh.
There were 5 people left at the stadium when JD won his MVP. Maybe they were saying “Dreeeewwww”, but either way..
LarJuly 16, 2008, 11:01 am
“And yet he made it a story where it wasn’t one.”
Yeah, he made it a story. It amazes me how you’re able to delude your self like this.
LocklandSFJuly 16, 2008, 11:01 am
Booing happens. Live with it. The Sox boo’ed Derek Jeter in 99, and he didn’t even say anything about starting over Nomar!
LarJuly 16, 2008, 11:03 am
“And yet he the media made it a story where it wasn’t one.”
Right cause he didn’t go on and on for 50 mins about how great he is. Then he spent two days backtracking by saying what he should have said in the first place.
Dra-ma Queen!
A YFJuly 16, 2008, 11:04 am
“The Sox boo’ed Derek Jeter in 99, and he didn’t even say anything about starting over Nomar!”
Exactly my point, Lar. Thanks.
“Right cause he didn’t go on and on for 50 mins about how great he is.”
Did you bother to actually read the full interview or just the parts that that Post wanted to shove down your throat for the purpose of creating a controversy?
LocklandSFJuly 16, 2008, 11:13 am
Mo should have closed out the 9th, almost nobody is going to argue against that. Mo deserves it because of his history, because of the stadium’s history, and because he’s the best this year.
However, closers are supposed to be confident. They’re supposed to be cocky. I absolutely NEVER want to hear my closer say that he doesn’t want the ball in the 9th inning.
AtheoseJuly 16, 2008, 11:18 am
My bad. I assumed SF dogged JD because it seems he dogs any Sox player in the midst of a 2 game hitting slump, and JD did have a poor year – albeit for justifiable reasons.
For the record, I’ve been behind Drew since they tried to sign him the first time and failed.
Also – the night is over, and there is nothing that can be done about it now. Some fans are idiots, and some are good baseball fans. Some players are idiots, and it should come as no surprise that they get ahead of themselves when talking to the media. See: TO, Pap, Damon, and the list goes on and on and on.
The interview (in full) does nothing but quote Pap as offering insane amounts of praise to Mo, but the more interesting story is the few lines where he considered himself just as viable to do the job as Mo, which he is. It’s being blown way out of proportion these past few days.
Some morons just like to continue to harp on it.
BradJuly 16, 2008, 11:19 am
Excellent point, Atheose. Mo is having a great year, and should have gotten the ball, which he did.
BradJuly 16, 2008, 11:20 am
“However, closers are supposed to be confident. They’re supposed to be cocky.”
Hmmm, except for the greatest of all time.
A YFJuly 16, 2008, 11:38 am
I don’t blame the NY fans. They just know what they read in the Daily News. Of course, they’re reading the Daily News, so I guess I do blame the fans.
For the record, Papelbon during the 50-minute press briefing said the following things: 1. He wanted to close out the game, 2. Thought, based on the World Series and the fact that his manager was the AL manager, he had a legitimate claim for doing so, but 3. Understood why Mariano probably would close, and 4. That he had no problem “deferring” to the “godfather” of closers.
Any statements he made afterward were simply stronger reiterations of the statements he’d already made.
Though classier than Yankee fans threatening Papelbon’s pregnant wife, Peter Abraham managed to openly root against Papelbon on his live blog last night, then when Mariano got the strikeout-throwout double play to end an inning, said: “Take notes, Papelbon. That’s how you pitch in a tight spot.”
Sooo, Rivera is so good, he willed Dioner Navarro to not throw the ball into center field?
It’s just juvenile all the way around, and sad (though sadly unsurprising) to see New York media joining that chorus.
Paul SFJuly 16, 2008, 11:41 am
Pete Abe is a hack, along with the “Papsmear” and “Papelbum” and “bearded clam” degenerates that inhabit his “blog”.
Haven’t we learned that Lohud carries as much credibility as Nomass and BDD?
What do we care about what these guys “write” or think about baseball – they’re appealing to a certian sect of baseball fans that, that for lack of a better word, are lame.
BradJuly 16, 2008, 11:56 am
My bad. I assumed SF dogged JD because it seems he dogs any Sox player in the midst of a 2 game hitting slump
Yup, you nailed me. You got me. That’s exactly what I do.
SFJuly 16, 2008, 12:02 pm
I think I’ve been mostly supportive of Drew since he joined the Sox. Putting aside whether I like him as a player or not, I don’t like hearing fans boo their own team, so I wanted him to succeed, and figured he would, for the most part.
But I had his back last night! I got right his batting in a walk-off situation, and I got the home run right. Unfortunately for me, they happened in different innings. But I’m still groggy and here it is the afternoon already, so I’ll take it. http://tinyurl.com/6c4tfg
Eh, does Papelbum offend people? The mass variations of ARod should tell you that at least it’s not biased, just sensational.
LarJuly 16, 2008, 12:37 pm
I don’t care about the nicknames the papers come up with. Though Papsmear does conjure up some unpleasant imagery…
AtheoseJuly 16, 2008, 12:42 pm
I think the “threat” was probably also overplayed by the media anyhow (and/or unforunate choice of words by Paps). This line from ESPN sounds quite a bit calmer:
“I had my kids with me, so there was probably a few choice words that we wouldn’t like a 6- and an 8-year-old to hear for an hour,” Papelbon said. “But it’s part of what goes on in the rivalry between the Yankees and Red Sox.”
LarJuly 16, 2008, 2:04 pm
Lar, that was actually Varitek who said that, at least based on the Boston Herald story I read. Pap’s wife is pregnant with his first, I believe, and he’d be awfully young to already have two kids…
Paul SFJuly 16, 2008, 2:18 pm
Actually, I thought the worst moment of the game wasn’t even the booing of the Sox. It was when David Wright nearly got hit by a pitch and fell down. The crowd’s response? Lusty cheering.
I don’t care what the circumstances are, it’s never cool to root for someone getting hurt.
We’ll always have Nancy.
(Good for him and good for baseball. It was a fun and exciting exhibition.)
Glad to see the AL won in the end, even if I was sleeping. Great to see Drew get the MVP too, instead of Michael Young! Nobody deserves an MVP award for a sac-fly.
Woah woah woah, the Sox don’t play again until Friday? What the hell is this shit?
My guess is that it’s a nice, well deserved break for having played so many games in the first half (97), plus starting the season on a west coast and far west coast road trip.
Congrats to Drew, he had a hell of a night and he was the only one that deserved the award.
I hate to bring this up, but have to say it, Yankees fans should be absolutely ashamed today. Absolutely pathetic display last night.
So remember JD the next time you want to dog Coco, Lugo or Tek; sometimes it’s not the player who sucks, but your opinion of him.
JD sends his regards to SF and the YFSF blog of 2007.
Ya, sometimes. But mostly, it’s the player who sucks.
I must remind you again, that in ’99, the same thing happen. Eh, fans are going to be fans.
I usually put Dirty Water on ignore because he’s not very much into engaging any discussion, instead bringing a solipsistic agenda to these parts designed to alienate at least one or two people per post. But in this case, I wanted to point out that SF and Paul both defended Drew in 2007–For instance, SF wrote eloquently about why Drew’s son’s struggles might be hurting his performance. It would help if Dirty Water cared enough to read the positions he’s attacking.
Is the game over yet?
DW: I’m not sure what you’re meaning is there. SF was maybe the only JD defender on the blogosphere for a long time. (Or is that your meaning?) Credit where it’s due.
I think I defended Drew pretty often last year. He was going through some pretty difficult personal problems, namely his son being put in a body cast for several months. Can’t blame a guy for having other stuff on his mind.
Really glad to see him succeeding this year.
Yeah YF, I think DW might be confusing Drew with Lugo. SF railed on Lugo more than anyone.
Rightfully so, of course.
“I hate to bring this up, but have to say it, Yankees fans should be absolutely ashamed today. Absolutely pathetic display last night.”
I guess I’m not. They booed a couple of Red Sox players. Is this shocking or even a story? They booed Papelbon, whose pic was on the back of the Daily News the day of the game talking about how he should close in Yankee Stadium. These are headline readers. Is this surprising that they rooted against him?
“Ya, sometimes. But mostly, it’s the player who sucks.”
BINGO!
I’m guilty of getting on Drew last year and I have seen that light and apologized for my errors.
For the record, I always thought Drew was good, but that he was injury-prone, and was shocked that he actually played most of the season, but poorly.
I’m not talking about the booing of the Red Sox players in general. I’m talking specifically about their rooting against Papelbon when he was pitching. Boo him all you want when he’s announced, chant, etc, but then put the that away and support your team for the night. You can go back to chanting and booing right after that.
Also, threatening him and his wife in the parade over a totally blown out of proportion story?
Also, they were booing JD Drew’s MVP, seriously?
None of this would be an issue if this game was meaningless, like it should be.
“I hate to bring this up, but have to say it, Yankees fans should be absolutely ashamed today. Absolutely pathetic display last night.”
So why bring it up?
Meanwhile, the Yanks got a TON of love at Fenway in ’99, didn’t they?
By the way, Torre was just as good then as Tito – pulling Nomah mid-inning for Jeter. Glad the latter used the same template, but it’s always more fun to have villians – as Lockland makes perfectly clear in trying to pick a fight. It would have been fun if Tito pitched Mo in the 3rd and left Varitek out there for the whole game. But he’s that much smarter than his closer.
“Boo him all you want when he’s announced, chant, etc, but then put the that away and support your team for the night.”
“Also, they were booing JD Drew’s MVP, seriously?”
How about some cheese and crackers with your whine?
“Also, threatening him and his wife in the parade over a totally blown out of proportion story?”
I’m sure they felt *really* threatened. Papsy = Drama Queen.
PeteAbe makes that perfectly clear. He knew three days ago that he wouldn’t be closing. And yet he made it a story where it wasn’t one. Be gracious and STFU.
Keep trying to tell your self that it was the exact same in 1999, if you say it over and over again, maybe some day it will be true. I’m just looking for a little honesty here.
“I’m just looking for a little honesty here.”
Better for you to look here than in the mirror.
He knew three days ago that he wouldn’t be closing. And yet
hethe media made it a story where it wasn’t one.There, fixed it for you.
Lockland – I don’t support the wife-threatening, but WasWatching sums it up for me:
http://waswatching.com/2008/07/16/papelbon-says-nyc-rude-to-his-wife/
Not too clear, but it only takes one idiot to go “I’m going to kill you!” or something. Eh.
There were 5 people left at the stadium when JD won his MVP. Maybe they were saying “Dreeeewwww”, but either way..
“And yet he made it a story where it wasn’t one.”
Yeah, he made it a story. It amazes me how you’re able to delude your self like this.
Booing happens. Live with it. The Sox boo’ed Derek Jeter in 99, and he didn’t even say anything about starting over Nomar!
“And yet he the media made it a story where it wasn’t one.”
Right cause he didn’t go on and on for 50 mins about how great he is. Then he spent two days backtracking by saying what he should have said in the first place.
Dra-ma Queen!
“The Sox boo’ed Derek Jeter in 99, and he didn’t even say anything about starting over Nomar!”
Exactly my point, Lar. Thanks.
Hey, is this story going to get any press Moderators?
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/392886.html
Replay may be used next month in baseball.
“Right cause he didn’t go on and on for 50 mins about how great he is.”
Did you bother to actually read the full interview or just the parts that that Post wanted to shove down your throat for the purpose of creating a controversy?
Mo should have closed out the 9th, almost nobody is going to argue against that. Mo deserves it because of his history, because of the stadium’s history, and because he’s the best this year.
However, closers are supposed to be confident. They’re supposed to be cocky. I absolutely NEVER want to hear my closer say that he doesn’t want the ball in the 9th inning.
My bad. I assumed SF dogged JD because it seems he dogs any Sox player in the midst of a 2 game hitting slump, and JD did have a poor year – albeit for justifiable reasons.
For the record, I’ve been behind Drew since they tried to sign him the first time and failed.
Also – the night is over, and there is nothing that can be done about it now. Some fans are idiots, and some are good baseball fans. Some players are idiots, and it should come as no surprise that they get ahead of themselves when talking to the media. See: TO, Pap, Damon, and the list goes on and on and on.
The interview (in full) does nothing but quote Pap as offering insane amounts of praise to Mo, but the more interesting story is the few lines where he considered himself just as viable to do the job as Mo, which he is. It’s being blown way out of proportion these past few days.
Some morons just like to continue to harp on it.
Excellent point, Atheose. Mo is having a great year, and should have gotten the ball, which he did.
“However, closers are supposed to be confident. They’re supposed to be cocky.”
Hmmm, except for the greatest of all time.
I don’t blame the NY fans. They just know what they read in the Daily News. Of course, they’re reading the Daily News, so I guess I do blame the fans.
For the record, Papelbon during the 50-minute press briefing said the following things: 1. He wanted to close out the game, 2. Thought, based on the World Series and the fact that his manager was the AL manager, he had a legitimate claim for doing so, but 3. Understood why Mariano probably would close, and 4. That he had no problem “deferring” to the “godfather” of closers.
Any statements he made afterward were simply stronger reiterations of the statements he’d already made.
Though classier than Yankee fans threatening Papelbon’s pregnant wife, Peter Abraham managed to openly root against Papelbon on his live blog last night, then when Mariano got the strikeout-throwout double play to end an inning, said: “Take notes, Papelbon. That’s how you pitch in a tight spot.”
Sooo, Rivera is so good, he willed Dioner Navarro to not throw the ball into center field?
It’s just juvenile all the way around, and sad (though sadly unsurprising) to see New York media joining that chorus.
Pete Abe is a hack, along with the “Papsmear” and “Papelbum” and “bearded clam” degenerates that inhabit his “blog”.
Haven’t we learned that Lohud carries as much credibility as Nomass and BDD?
What do we care about what these guys “write” or think about baseball – they’re appealing to a certian sect of baseball fans that, that for lack of a better word, are lame.
My bad. I assumed SF dogged JD because it seems he dogs any Sox player in the midst of a 2 game hitting slump
Yup, you nailed me. You got me. That’s exactly what I do.
I think I’ve been mostly supportive of Drew since he joined the Sox. Putting aside whether I like him as a player or not, I don’t like hearing fans boo their own team, so I wanted him to succeed, and figured he would, for the most part.
But I had his back last night! I got right his batting in a walk-off situation, and I got the home run right. Unfortunately for me, they happened in different innings. But I’m still groggy and here it is the afternoon already, so I’ll take it.
http://tinyurl.com/6c4tfg
That’s me.
Eh, does Papelbum offend people? The mass variations of ARod should tell you that at least it’s not biased, just sensational.
I don’t care about the nicknames the papers come up with. Though Papsmear does conjure up some unpleasant imagery…
I think the “threat” was probably also overplayed by the media anyhow (and/or unforunate choice of words by Paps). This line from ESPN sounds quite a bit calmer:
“I had my kids with me, so there was probably a few choice words that we wouldn’t like a 6- and an 8-year-old to hear for an hour,” Papelbon said. “But it’s part of what goes on in the rivalry between the Yankees and Red Sox.”
Lar, that was actually Varitek who said that, at least based on the Boston Herald story I read. Pap’s wife is pregnant with his first, I believe, and he’d be awfully young to already have two kids…
Actually, I thought the worst moment of the game wasn’t even the booing of the Sox. It was when David Wright nearly got hit by a pitch and fell down. The crowd’s response? Lusty cheering.
I don’t care what the circumstances are, it’s never cool to root for someone getting hurt.