Priced Out

Ok, let’s play amateur GM.  Say the pitching market explodes.  Say you currently have the best pitcher on Earth on your roster.  Say you know that you’ll never be able to afford him once he hits free agency.  Say you get a call from the GM of the Red Sox or Yankees.  Say they ask you "what would it take"?

So, what would it take?  What could you get?  What would they offer?

18 comments… add one
  • Assuming part of the deal includes a 72 hour window to get the pitcher signed long term so as not to make the trade a waste should he sign elsewhere when he becomes a free agent this is what I would demand in return.
    From New York Yankees:
    Philip Hughes P
    Eric Duncan 3b/1B
    Melky Cabrera OF
    Eduardo Nunez SS
    From Boston Red Sox
    David Murphy OF
    Bryce Cox P
    Jason Place OF
    Brandon Moss OF
    Daniel Bard P

    Anonymous December 31, 2006, 7:32 pm
  • That post was me. I dont think either team would bite though, they would just wait til hes a free agent and have a bidding war.
    Of the two deals I suggested I would say NY would be more likely to accept it basically dealing 3 prospects who dont fit in for a while and a pitcher who could be great is nice to have but a pitcher who is great is much better to have.

    TJ Sox Fan December 31, 2006, 7:34 pm
  • Obviously you demand at least Hughes from the Yankees, and at least Papelbon (or Beckett) from the Sox. The Sox’s farm is okay, but there’s not too much major-league ready pitching talent there. All the best prospects are in the lower leagues. So you’d pretty much have to demand a major-league ready pitcher who’s going to be a pretty good replacement for what you’re giving up.

    Andrew December 31, 2006, 8:16 pm
  • Santana is not going to be on the table, no matter what the offer, until, at the very earliest, the Twins are out of contention in 2007. The incentives just can’t compensate for the potential revenue he can bring. The Liriano recovery is another big issue here that the Twins will have to manage. Too early.

    YF December 31, 2006, 9:04 pm
  • Aw, YF, such a party pooper. And on this of all most festive evenings. Engage the hypothesis. Enjoy yourself!

    SF December 31, 2006, 9:36 pm
  • To get Santana? There are no sacred cows when talking about the best pitcher, bar none, in the game. The only players that would not be on the table are “made.” That means Jeter, Giambi, Rivera, and ARod.
    Funny thing: Jeter/Rivera by themselves, regardless of reality, aren’t enough to make it worth the deal for the Twins. Giambi is not even part of the conversation.
    Hold that train. ARod straight up for Santana, with NY shouldering a large chunk of the remaining salary? I can see it, but why on earth would Alex acquiesce?
    NY would have to part with a boat of prospects, including high-level ones to even make it a talking point, and I honestly hope NY doesn’t, but gosh, Santana is so much fun to watch.

    attackgerbil December 31, 2006, 10:31 pm
  • If the Twins wanted Hughes plus, it would be crazy for the Yankees not to make the deal, mostly depending on what the “plus” was. I think if Yankees fans value Hughes so highly that they won’t even consider trading him for the best pitcher on Earth, there is something in their water.

    SF January 1, 2007, 7:13 am
  • Obviously the Twins would ask for Hughes + Cano, which obviously the Yankees wouldn’t do. A top-flight position player who makes the minimum for another year (or won’t cost all that much for many years) plus your top pitching prospect is worth more than a player who plays every 5 days, regardless of whether he’s the best pitcher in baseball. Now if they ask for Hughes plus Wang plus a couple other lower-level prospects you’d do it in an instant, but the Twins can get much more than that from other teams with better farm systems. Think Arizona and their many, many outfield prospects.
    No, the Yankees won’t trade for Santana because too many other teams will be more willing to part with more of their top prospects.

    Andrew January 1, 2007, 9:19 am
  • Obviously the Twins would ask for Hughes + Cano, which obviously the Yankees wouldn’t do.
    But is it obvious that they shouldn’t do this? It’s effectively an everyday player plus a very hot prospect for the best pitcher in the world. I don’t think this is a bad deal at all for the Yankees. Sign Loretta and make the deal!

    SF January 1, 2007, 9:25 am
  • I think Hughes is going to be great. Cano is already pretty good. But this is Santana! Santana + Wang would be insane in the playoffs, and Santana would be the ace they keep wishing they had in RJ + numerous others..
    It would be hard, but I would do it.
    As from the Red Sox, I would probably also demand Papelbon, unless 2007 totally blows or he gets injured.. when will Pap be eligible for free agency?

    Lar January 1, 2007, 1:25 pm
  • Assuming trade talks don’t begin until late 2007 or the 07/08 offseason, then the Twins absolutely demand Buccholz from the Sox, plus Murphy, Edgar Martinez and either Hansen or Papelbon, depending on where each’s respective star is in the sky.
    I think I’d do that trade. If the demand was Buchholz, Ellsbury and two others, I’d say no.

    Paul SF January 1, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • the sox would never make the trade because they are typically reluctant to give up anything…i would trade hughes and cabrera in a heartbeat…no cano…remember, the twins have to trade him or lose him to free agency…

    dc January 1, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • the sox would never make the trade because they are typically reluctant to give up anything
    Did you forget the faux-sarcasm html code thing at the end of this comment? Or are you serious and have you already forgotten the Beckett deal, the WMP deal?

    SF January 1, 2007, 6:55 pm
  • Or Marte for Crisp, for that matter.
    I hope you were joking, dc.

    SF January 1, 2007, 7:00 pm
  • Or prospects for Pedro. Or prospects for Schilling. Or prospects for *shudder* Mirabelli, to cite a trade in which they were a little too willing to give up something.

    Paul SF January 1, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • I even get sympathy pains for that Mirabelli trade. Jesus, how awful.

    Andrew January 1, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • sf, i was just kidding…sorry it took so long to confirm that…

    dc January 2, 2007, 6:21 pm
  • From the Yanks, it’d probably be Hughes + Cano + JB Cox.
    From the Sawx, it’d be Papelbon (no near ML ready pitching prospects) + Hansen + Wily Mo.

    Mike A. January 3, 2007, 10:19 am

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