Rob Bell: The Worst Pitcher Ever?

Yankees fans saw the putrid arm that is Rob Bell earlier this week, and today the Sox went at him like he was Jaret Wright.  He came into the game to stem some bleeding in the 8th, promptly gave up a grand slam to Jay Payton, put three more guys on base, and got out of the inning only when Ramon Vazquez bombed one 8 feet short of another salami.  In the ninth, he put two guys on immediately before the Sox mercifully gave up.  Only 2 runs charged in 1 2/3, but 4 hits, 3 walks, and one big question: how does this guy have a job?

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  • This is all we get from SF after his Sox storm the mound twice in Tampa? We just saw the sordid replay. Our take: Arroyo pops a D-Ray, a D-Ray pops Manny. Manny homers, and then showboats, drawing the headshot at Ortiz. Benches clear. Then they do it all over again. Nixon gets slapped. Schilling mouths off (what’s new?). The D-Rays implode. Ortiz homers. Everyone goes home. Fines (and suspensions?) to come. The more the better!

    YF April 24, 2005, 11:33 pm
  • has a very good proposal to end this tit-for-tat ‘pitcher’s duel’. I am all for the idea … Oh, $205 million can buy many things, but whodathunk it would be a view looking UP at the Orioles?

    sithkhan April 25, 2005, 3:02 am
  • Maybe YF should get his story straight first before posting. Here’s how it happened:
    Huff gets hit by a pitch in the 6th, with Devil Rays down 4-2 at the time, no intent there. Then Manny got thrown behind in the top of the 7th, intent there. Manny hits a home run on the next pitch. Manny runs around the bases, no showboating despite YF’s idiotic accusation. Next pitch from Lance Carter right at Ortiz’ head. Ortiz gets mad. Nixon acts like a moron. Players storm the field. Nixon, Carter, Piniella, and Brazelton, who went at it with Nixon, chucked. Right move by umps. Arroyo comes out next inning and hits a guy in the thigh. Arroyo and Francona chucked. Right move. No fireworks. What’s YF trying to start here? Are the Yankees so boring and pathetic he has to try to stir up Sox fans everywhere? Go play with your own Wang and stay away from ours.

    SF April 25, 2005, 5:34 am
  • Actually, John Kruk’s idiotic accusation–we took him at his word; the Manny trot was off-camera during the replay. But whatever. And look how testy SF is. Just like his Sox. And he seems to think we’re unglued…..

    YF April 25, 2005, 8:36 am
  • Post-attribution isn’t very professional. Pass that buck, YF.
    Nothing to see here – typical beanball stuff – Millar and Ramirez plunked Friday by Kazmir, then Manny and Ortiz thrown at maliciously yesterday. Arroyo was protecting his guys, throwing at the DRays legs. What’s the beef with the Sox here, that Manny ran around the bases slowly – mah nishtanah halailah hazeh? It was the Devil Rays who went headhunting, and the Sox who responded temperately, freakazoid Nixon aside.
    Suspensions will probably be doled out and to the right people considering the rules – Nixon, Brazelton, Piniella, Carter, Arroyo, and Francona. So who’s the unglued one here? The one who reasonably assesses the brawl, or the one who can’t seem to stop his metronomic moodswings and incessant inning-by-inning bloggish documentations of his own lunacy?

    SF April 25, 2005, 9:00 am
  • But back to the issue at hand: how does Rob Bell have a major league job? It seems almost unprofessional and lacking in integrity for the D-Rays to throw him out there every fifth day, if in fact he’s going to be used as a starter. This, to me, is case #1 for contraction – the dearth of pitching depth around the bigs.

    SF April 25, 2005, 9:11 am
  • i don’t care how much of an asshole yankee fan you are. a pitch at the head is never “drawn” by anyone. shame on you.

    beth April 25, 2005, 9:36 am
  • Nothing reaches the level of the D-Rays-Sox rivalry. Nothing. It’s time to change this blog’s theme.
    I never understand the commentators and fans who scream loudly about the need to bean hitters as “protection” against the other team’s pitcher hitting their players. In the hands of jock idiots such as Esteban Yan and Trot Nixon (and really sox fans, you have to admit that Trot’s bat throwing is the definition of inexuscable) and Jeff Nelson, this kind of justice leads to a stupid Hatfield-McCoy situation. There is no need for the D-Rays and Sox to have a rivalry. One team is much better than the other. All this fighting just distracts us from the real rivalries in sports (Nicole vs. Paris).

    Nick April 25, 2005, 10:09 am
  • BTW, the worst pitcher ever is Steve Trout in a Yankees uniform.

    Nick April 25, 2005, 10:11 am
  • Nick, you are right. In this specific incident, however, Kazmir plunked two guys with fastballs on a night he had impeccable control, and then on Sunday Lance Carter throws behind a guy and then straight at a guy’s head after a home run was hit. In this case, the Devil Rays might have let the first two games of the series go their head, and then they threw at Ortiz’ when a sweep looked impossible.
    As for Trot Nixon chucking his bat at Rupe 3 years ago, well, Trot’s long since established that he’s a real moron, though that bat-toss was in response to the Devil Ray’s initiative idiocy, if I recall correctly. (On the other hand, Yankees fans shouldn’t get all huffy about thrown bats, to be honest.)

    SF April 25, 2005, 11:09 am
  • How about Carter as possible worst pitcher? Once a decent closer, now a horrible setup guy:
    10.2IP, 8.44ERA, 1.69WHIP
    (Not that I’m bitter b/c he’s currently killing my roto team or anything…) But re his high/tight pitch at Big Papi’s melon, I think it was a curveball, which doesn’t make it okay, exactly, but it’s not like it was the traditional Pedro/Rocket/Bob Gibson knockdown heaters that are thrown in the same place plus about 15mph.

    Spidey April 25, 2005, 12:46 pm
  • I saw the pitch at Ortiz – it was right at his head, and it wasn’t curving.

    SF April 25, 2005, 1:01 pm
  • SF, let’s face you are biased. The Sox claiming to be innocent victims is ultimate BS. Ask yourself, why is it the Sox get into more of these scraps than any other team in the majors? Look at the stats of hit batters betwen the Yanks and Sox, the Sox have hit 3 times as many Yankees. The Sox like to try to intimidate their opponents, kudos to the Rays who won’t be intimidated, not with Lou Piniella at the helm. Maybe the Yanks need to not take the higher road so often and give the Sox an old fashioned beat down. Looks like it works for the Rays. Maybe the Yankees need Lou Piniella on their bench?

    Anonymous April 25, 2005, 1:50 pm
  • Whoever posted that last comment (and by now it would be nice if people could at least leave a fake handle on the comments so we can respond to specific fake names, it’s easier) should be the one receiving the beat-down. Who’s claiming “victimization”? This was your standard long-running feud rearing it’s ugly head again – who originally started it is at this point totally irrelevant. In THIS weekend’s series, however, Kazmir started the plunking, and yesterday it continued by both teams. The bottom line is that a handful of the people involved are acting irresponsibly, some of the Sox included. Yesterday, however, the Red Sox most open to the fracas, Arroyo, Ortiz, and Ramirez, did the following: the first hit a guy in the thigh to bring the #5 hitter and tying run to the plate, the second did absolutely nothing but mosey around the bases after hitting a home run after being thrown behind, and the last yelled at a pitcher following a unmitigated headhunting but didn’t charge the mound. Where’s the praise for Ortiz for not going after someone who took a shot at his face? The double standards, the double standards…
    Trot Nixon, as is plain to see, is the dumbass on the Sox (who knew!?), and Lance Carter is the king dumbass of all for trying to bean Ortiz after failing to bean Ramirez and then giving up a tater. As far as I am concerned, the first attempt to hit Ramirez should have ended it, he had his shot and missed. After being embarrassed by Manny’s homer, which is supposed to be the hitter’s best answer to a beanball, why does Carter then chuck at Ortiz’ head?
    As for a Yankees beatdown of the Sox, well, the Yankees pitchers couldn’t hit Tina Turner with Ike’s fist, so good luck to them.

    SF April 25, 2005, 2:15 pm
  • Our anonymous poster makes a useful point. (Not that it excuses throwing at Ortiz’s bean). The Sox are, indeed, the league’s leading head/bodyhunters–as usual. Thus far in ’05 Sox pitchers have hit 15 batters, a whopping 50 percent more than any other AL team. Last year they were #2, with 92; the Yanks only hit 60, about League average (Tampa was #1, with 93). And this year they replaced their usual hitter-in-chief (Pedro) with baseball’s top control man (Boomer), so there’s really no excuse.
    As Sheff warned last year, the Sox are out of Buddy Passes.

    YF April 25, 2005, 2:24 pm
  • Ah, Tampa was #1 – conveniently parenthesized and underanalyzed. YF’s wonderful journalistic skills continue to amaze. Get him a job at Fox!

    SF April 25, 2005, 2:28 pm
  • They sure could bean the Sox if Piniella were calling the shots, too bad Torre is such a gentleman. If Piniella were calling the shots he would just let Sheffield loose on the whole Sox team. I can see it now Sheffield standing in front of the Sox dugout, saying “I’m calling you out.” Any takers on the Sox?
    By the way SF, check your blood pressure. Take it easy dude. The Sox are bullies, not all teams are afraid of bullies, some call them out on it, way to go Rays. But as it stands they are the World Champions, and that’s a part of who they are. They weren’t intimidated by the Yankees last year even when they were down 3-0. I’m just saying the Yankees should have a little more bully in them a la 1978 Yankees, and a little less class a la 1996-2001 Yankees. That’s what they need right now, a little of the Sox’ passion and fire.

    Joe in NJ(here's the name you needed) April 25, 2005, 2:32 pm
  • I actually had my BP checked today – it’s a little high, honestly, but it was WAY higher until last October.
    As for the Yankees, let’s can the whole “classy” thing – sure they have several great, classy players, and a great, classy manager, but their scion is as classless as it gets, and he’s the star of the organization. It starts at the top.

    SF April 25, 2005, 2:42 pm
  • Joe in NJ raises an interesting point…Can a baseball team ever be too professional? Would the Yankees be a better club if they had fewer classical guitarists and GQ cover models in the lineup, and a couple more Millars or Nixons, i.e., scumbags? (Hey, I love those guys, but they don’t call ’em “Dirt Dogs” for nothing.) I’m being facetious, but it’s a legitimate question: Do the Yankees need their own “Dirt Dogs?”

    MJL - SF April 25, 2005, 2:54 pm
  • You got me there. Steinbrenner is as classless as it gets, cutting dental benefits to his employees to save $200k per year when he makes millions. Personally I believe his Karma is why the Yanks haven’t won since 2000. Can we get Selig to give him a 5 year suspension for being a miserable jerk?

    Joe in NJ April 25, 2005, 2:58 pm
  • FYI, just looked it up, its even worse than I thought:

    Joe in NJ April 25, 2005, 3:00 pm
  • Joe in Jersey hits it right on the nose here: SF, like his Sox, is acting the bully part. Disagree? You deserve a beat-down. Make a cogent point? Have your journalistic integrity questioned (whatever that means, and with a tasteful wife-beating joke tossed in for good measure).
    SF is fragile and insecure, so he strikes out wantonly–generally at YF, but at whomever is handy. Here we have a perfect example. The inclusion of the Tampa numbers was self-explanatory (if we meant to elide them, why include them at all?). Clearly, the point wasn’t about one isolated tit-for-tat case, but about a long-term problem with the Sox.

    YF April 25, 2005, 3:01 pm
  • No they don’t need payers like Nixon and the Baby’s. As the Hareld put it they all have Caulick. And they can not take there own medicine. Ortiz and the rest better get used to it there will be more head hunters o the way. It is obvious the rest of the league is getting tired of Brandon’s and the rest of the Baby Idiots antics. I was watching the game and watched Trot run all the way out there just to back down when he did get out there. He sure does talk tuff. But runs backwards faster. I believe las year when Sturtz had Kapler by the head he thought it was Nixon. He still owes him for his really tuff act of throwing his bat at him in Tampa. Keep running out there Nixon one of these days someone will knock your A** out.

    Bob April 25, 2005, 3:07 pm
  • You call it “long-term problem”, I call it baseball. To each his own. Meanwhile, how about Rob Bell? He still stinks.

    SF April 25, 2005, 3:09 pm
  • At least SF isn’t so self-important that he refers to himself in the third person.

    Jimmy April 25, 2005, 3:12 pm
  • If the implication is that the Sox talk tough but don’t back it up, ask A-Rod if he’s gotten the taste of Jason Varitek’s mitt out of his mouth yet. My point was serious: the great NY teams of the late 70’s were well-stocked with these kinds of, well, pricks (Munson, Lou, Nettles), and while the late 90’s Yankees might be better remembered for the likes of Jeter and Bernie, they had guys like Leyritz, O’Neill and Girardi, too. Where are the assholes on this Yankees team, aside from the owner’s box?

    MJL - SF April 25, 2005, 3:18 pm
  • Well, Girardi’s right there on the bench, for what that’s worth, but this seems a bit ridiculous. The Yankees need starting pitchers who don’t get bombed in the first inning, a second-baseman who gets on base, outfielders who catch, relievers who don’t open the flood gates, and some useful bench players. Prick-factor doesn’t seem to be the problem, and in any case is a matter of relativity. You wanna have X-Mass dinner with Sheff? Unit?

    YF April 25, 2005, 3:27 pm
  • My point exactly, cut Sheffield loose. Give him a Bonus for every opposing player he takes out, agree to pay all his fines, and don’t complain about his suspensions. It’s time for Sheffield to become the Dave Schultz of MLB.
    Just kidding SF, watch that BP.

    Joe in NJ April 25, 2005, 3:28 pm
  • Never in SF’s wildest dreams did SF think that SF’s post about Rob Bell would reach 29 comments. Way to go, SF.
    (with a nod to YF)

    SF April 25, 2005, 3:43 pm
  • //As the Hareld put it they all have Caulick//
    i rest my case.
    funny how ortiz / manny “asked for” a pitch to the head, but pedro’s the biggest asshole in the history of the world and deserves the firing squad for POINTING at his head when it’s the yankees on the other side of the field.

    beth April 25, 2005, 4:39 pm
  • Beth: don’t expect YF to understand his own contradictions. Cut him some slack – his memory is short, and we all know why at this point. There’s a lot I am sure he’d like to forget.

    SF April 25, 2005, 4:48 pm
  • Can we just point out a little fact here? We never said Ortiz/Manny “asked for” anything. Go re-read the comment. What we wrote was that Manny’s apparent showboating was what drew the headshot. Now this may be inaccurate–and we can handle being wrong, that’s fineā€”but it in no way suggests that said action was justified. So spare us the indignation, Beth, and do some work on your reading comprehension while you’re at it.

    YF April 25, 2005, 5:00 pm
  • YF YF YF…you are just so clever, insulting Beth like that! Good one!
    YF: You act as if you expect everyone to just read what you wrote, looking at your posts as words without the possibility of interpretive expansion, haughtily accusing others of misunderstanding or misrepresenting what you wrote. But your words are chosen very deliberately – you are a writer after all. So don’t be so coy, acting all innocent, like you didn’t know what you wrote. Without a doubt you knew, full well, that (a) posting about the brawl even though the thread was about Rob Bell would draw out lots of off-thread comments, just as you knew that (b) writing that Manny’s apparent showboating (which you pretty weakly dump off on the eyes of John Kruk without witnessing them yourself) would be interpreted as a “blame the victim” tactic. You wouldn’t have mentioned the fictional “showboating” if you weren’t doing exactly what you deny. Don’t be such a phony.

    SF April 25, 2005, 5:22 pm
  • Let’s look at a hypothetical piece of writing, and in the process take YF and his own reading comprehension abilities to the woodshed. Let’s say that a Red Sox fan writes that “last night Gary Sheffield hits a monstrous home run. After the home run, he saunters around the bases like he owns the world. The next guy, as a result of Sheff’s showboating, gets drilled in the head.”
    Now, would that be me just observing what happened? Would it be a Red Sox fan blaming the pitcher for an unnecessary headshot? Or would that be a Red Sox fan insinuating that Sheffield’s home run and apparent showboating got Matsui hit? If I wrote that, I would fully expect Yankees fans to get irate, and rightly so. In the case of YF’s description of yesterday’s events, it’s very important to understand the source of the comment – a Yankees fan (YF, in fact) who dislikes Manny Ramirez. In the context of this forum, it’s totally understandable that the verbiage YF chose to use describing the events could be interpreted as his pinning the blame for Ortiz’ near-beaning on Ramirez. And, he’s done this before, picking Manny as a target. Search the archives – try October of 2003, after Manny hit the big dinger against the A’s. Someone’s got a grudge, and I don’t think it is Lance Carter.
    YF knew what he was writing and owes Beth an apology.

    SF April 25, 2005, 5:37 pm
  • That makes no sense, even by maginal SF standards. As for Manny and showboating, we’ve already given a mea culpa. But SF should stop his whining and start pulling his, um, weight. Who watches a ballgame with two brawls and then posts about some fourth-rate bullpen artist? Even Rob Bell’s mother doesn’t give a shit about Rob Bell. So of course poor YF was left to cover SF’s ass, and no we didn’t see the game–we try not to watch Sox games unless our own team is involved–so, yeah, we had to rely on John Kruk, who admittedly falls somewhere below Red Smith on the reliability chart. So, to conclude, SF, get your head in the game and stop whining about the state of our mental health. Leave that to Derek.

    YF April 25, 2005, 5:39 pm
  • Well, I guess we know where YF stands on things. He comments on plays he hasn’t seen, he insults our commenters despite their reasonable ideas, takes credit for everything on this blog while demeaning his partner, and incessantly refers to himself by his own name. What an appealing character.

    SF April 25, 2005, 5:43 pm
  • Exactly. Three years and you’re finally catching on. We knew it had to happen sooner or later.

    YF April 25, 2005, 5:48 pm
  • SF and YF, are you guys in a fight outside of this blog? This is the most heated I’ve ever seen you guys get. Keep it up!
    No, seriously, sports shouldn’t come between friends.
    SF, speaking of apologies, have you apologized to Joe for the beatdown comment, and what about a general apology for making light of wife-beating?

    Nick April 25, 2005, 5:54 pm
  • More fireworks over a Sox/DRays series than a Sox/Yankees series! Joe definitely doesn’t need a beatdown – my apologies. Heat of the moment. Like Ike with Tina.

    SF April 25, 2005, 6:01 pm
  • Holy hell. You guys were busy.

    Clay April 25, 2005, 6:26 pm
  • You know, it may be a character flaw, but I really kind of do like watching bench clearing brawls. Also, maybe I am a goon, but I periodically like watching the goombahs in Section 5 throw beer at each other. It just adds so much color, even though I feel guilty. So I am enjoying this SF/YF duel, even though it’s clear that SF is off his meds. Keep it up!

    Joe April 26, 2005, 5:13 pm

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