Santanas For Hire! Rule 5 Bonanza

How did the Twins get Johan? The Rule 5 Draft, in which players who fail to make their team’s 40-man roster are exposed to the rest of the League. Selected players must remain on the new club’s ML roster for the entire season. This year’s draft is today, one of the final events of the Winter Meetings. Baseball Analysts previewed some of the talent that might be available. The Yanks have left pitchers Steven White and Brett Smitt out there, along with erstwhile top prospect Eric Duncan. Not hard to imagine one or both of those pitchers getting picked up.

UPDATE: The Yanks held onto White, Smith, and Duncan but lost AA pitcher Mike Gardner. They selected AA reliever Bo Hall out of the Milwaukee system. Looks like Bo doesn’t know the strike zone. (We kid!)—HT Pete Abe.

UPDATE 2: The Sox lost twiggy LHP Jose Capellan to the Giants. He was the 4th pick in the draft. Capellan’s numbers are impressive, and he’s young. Maybe the Sox thought they could sneak him through, as he’s a bit raw for an ML roster? Or maybe he’s too reedy? Interesting. Gardner looks like he might actually have a shot at sticking in the bigs, based on a cursory glance at the numbers.

30 comments… add one
  • In fact, Twins didn’t only get Johan from that Rule 5, they got Johan and cash.

    Lar December 6, 2007, 10:13 am
  • Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

    Brad December 6, 2007, 10:43 am
  • Brad sounds extra bitter this morning…

    yankeemonkey December 6, 2007, 10:59 am
  • Actually, it was the Marlins who got Santana in the Rule 5 Draft from Houston. He was traded to the Twins for Jared Camp.

    Jay-YF December 6, 2007, 11:07 am
  • Not at all, YM. I’ve said all along, that if a huge deal went down, great. If not, great. There really is no “real” need this year for such a move. I’ll be happy if it happens, and if it doesn’t I’ll be just as happy.
    On another note, Kepner’s article today is some of the funniest stuff written in quite some time. Really, Hank…keep it coming!

    Brad December 6, 2007, 11:10 am
  • Hank is every sportswriter’s dream…I really do hope he keeps it up. Has there been a single day yet that he’s kept his mouth shut?
    He was traded to the Twins for Jared Camp.
    Man, this should be pretty high on the worst deals of all time list, no?

    yankeemonkey December 6, 2007, 11:14 am
  • Well, actually, Twins had an earlier pick than Florida.
    Twins wanted Santana anyhow, and Florida wanted Camp. So they swapped picks (and some cash). It’s not a “deal”, per se, in that sense..

    Lar December 6, 2007, 11:18 am
  • Hank is a glorified spokesman for the yankees, its simply amazing. I maintain that his public comments and stances havent really negatively effected the yankees dealings at all. To me it feels like he just gives the reporters what the baseball people have decided in the form of his own thoughts. I like it because it takes the heat off all of the FO people and lets them do their jobs.

    sam-YF December 6, 2007, 11:32 am
  • I just think he likes to hear himself talk. He’s trying to hard to convince everyone. It’s not like he’s selling a used car or something. Just let it perform, and it’ll speak for itself, Hank. There is enough hype around them already without making sure that they read every single day how good they are and successful they’re going to be. I mean: “three number ones”..
    You think they need that right now? The fall, if it happens, will be downright glorious for Sox fans. He will have inserted his foot so far into his mouth, that he won’t be able to give daily insights to how great his team is.

    Brad December 6, 2007, 11:39 am
  • edit: trying too hard..

    Brad December 6, 2007, 11:41 am
  • Talk is cheap. Just shut your yap, and let them do their job without adding all of this daily pressure every single day. I mean, how could the rest of baseball not know what you have on the farm, and what you think, and what you had for breakfast, and what you think of deadlines, and what you think of the Red Sox, and when you’ll be getting your turtleneck, and how much you love the young pitchers, and how much you love Pettitte, and everything else under the sun….You tell us everyday!

    Brad December 6, 2007, 11:46 am
  • Hank just likes to think out loud is all. I know people like that. He just happens to call reporters up when he’s doing it.

    Nick-YF December 6, 2007, 11:51 am
  • ha.
    Hello, Tyler? Yeah, it’s Hank. Here’s what I’m thinking today. You ready? Got a pen? Okay….

    Brad December 6, 2007, 11:58 am
  • And yet another long running meme here will be: Who is Hank?
    The Sox fans will find a way to throw barbs.
    But all I know: He was working directly with the team’s GMs during the worst period in recent Yankee history. He developed an strong appreciation for young talent in the process and what happens when you trade them early (Rijo, Drabek, McGriff, Buhner). And we’re seeing the result of that right now. He has already made his mark on this team and organization. He’s already stepped out from his Dad’s shadow and with own inspired philosophy. And it took only two months.
    Meanwhile, I challenge any one to name one owner with more direct baseball experience. The reason he’s talking is because he’s arrogant AND knowledgeable. Sure, some statements will come back to bite him (“three #1’s”). But if he bats .300, the Yankees will be very successful. I wouldn’t bet against that.

    Mike YF December 6, 2007, 12:05 pm
  • The Sox fans will find a way to throw barbs…
    Find ways? Really? You think we have to search out things to say about him? He brings them to us every single day!
    You can’t be serious right now.

    Brad December 6, 2007, 12:09 pm
  • Really, what’s the point of making fun of anyone, Brad? He is what he is and you’re trying to create a stereotype. You being a Sox fan is no doubt tied to that. Fact is, he’s knowledeable and likes to talk about what he knows. And his stated reason (even as he surely enjoys it) why he does it is to keep fans informed because he’s been in their shoes and he thinks they deserve it. Meanwhile, he’s got his finger on the pulse of the fanbase to know that the vast majority of Yankee fans wanted Hughes more than Santana. So he’s going to be running a successful business even as he runs a winning team.
    Stick to jokes about Junior Dolan. He’s just as arrogant but has exactly no knowledge to back it up.

    Mike YF December 6, 2007, 12:19 pm
  • Okay, Mike.
    The difference is this: I don’t give a crap about Junior Dolan, nor do I know he has any less smarts than The Hank. I can think of several people who spent their entire lives submerged in a certain lifestyle, and are no smarter because of it. To claim the man is the smartest baseball man, among a pretty impressive list of owners, is arrogant and utimately false. You have no idea what other owners know or don’t know about the game of baseball.
    He’s the son of a very rich, very powerful, very influential man, and he’s been handed the keys to run it. Doesn’t mean he worked any harder, knew any more or less, or cares one bit more than the rest of the owners in baseball.
    He just talks more nonsense. Daily. Sometimes twice a day.
    It’s funny, and until anything the guy says comes to fruition, it’s pointless.

    Brad December 6, 2007, 12:27 pm
  • In fact, I’d venture to guess that he does what he does, and acts the way he acts because he knows that the fans are what will keep him in good graces. The only real reason to do that is gain credit for future mistakes and be held in high regard for something other than baseball.
    For the same reason people like Bush (please, I’m not starting a political argument)…he’s a good guy. Spent his whole life in politics.

    Brad December 6, 2007, 12:30 pm
  • Okay guys. This is a thread about the Rule 5, not Hank.

    YF December 6, 2007, 12:30 pm
  • We lost Twiggy? NOOOOOOOOOOO.
    I can no longer be a Sox Fan.

    Anonymous December 6, 2007, 12:39 pm
  • ^ Me

    Atheose December 6, 2007, 12:41 pm
  • yep. Sorry, YF.

    Brad December 6, 2007, 12:42 pm
  • I’ve got no problem with anything HS has said. Not one problem. And Sam YF’s analysis is spot on – his statements haven’t hurt any Yankee interests. If anything they have helped. Did making it clear that A-Rod wasn’t wanted and woldn’t be sought in an open bidding competition contribute to the latter’s instigating negotiations directly and not via Boras – and not relative to any other negotiations he was having? Likely. But even if you say it didn’t, it clearly didn’t hurt.
    Did his saying that he listened to the baseball people in his organization when it came to picking Girardi over Mattingly (his dad’s clear favorite) undercut Cashman, Stick Michaels, et al? No – just the opposite. And that is refreshing to many of us who are used to the opposite.
    Does his saying yesterday that the Yankees “could and hopefully will compete in 2008, but should be even stronger for the future”, help change the over-hyped expectations of a win immediately at all costs franchise – a philosophy that has unequivocally hurt them in the past decade? Certainly.
    Did his declaration that he is out of the Santana talks lead to Boston getting Johan on the cheap? Nope.
    And did his Toledo Mud Hens crack about A-Rod make many YFs chuckle while annoying everyone else? Yep.
    I agree with those who say keep it coming – he has done nothing at all to cause me any concern – in fact I like pretty much everything he has said so far and even more than many of the things his father used to say.

    IronHorse (yf) December 6, 2007, 12:58 pm
  • Oops – sorry YF – just saw your last post after having posted my pro-Hanky-the-Yankee screed…

    IronHorse (yf) December 6, 2007, 12:59 pm
  • What’s gotta be worse for Eric Duncan’s psyche: being left to the mercy of the Rule 5, or not getting picked up by *anyone* in the Rule 5?

    yankeemonkey December 6, 2007, 1:08 pm
  • sorry for this deviation yf, but i couldn’t let this one pass:
    “…To claim the man is the smartest baseball man, among a pretty impressive list of owners, is arrogant and utimately false….”
    exactly when and where did mike make that claim brad?…i believe he said he was the most “experienced”…big difference…i’m not sure if paul and sf are watching, but they came unglued when they thought someone was misquoted the other day…i want to see if they show the same indignance for this infraction…
    IH as usual is right on…you know, i can’t remember one time when i didn’t agree with you here, but that may be because your comments are thoughful, interesting, reasonable, and unemotional…keep it up man, it’s a good balance to some of the other stuff…IH for pres.!!!

    dc December 6, 2007, 1:31 pm
  • DC – I take great comfort in your description of my comments…my head is swelling as I type.
    Of course, then I am reminded that there are many here who would not agree with a word of how you described my comments!

    IronHorse (yf) December 6, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • DC –
    Mike YF (two days ago)
    :Read the interview in the NY Daily News today. Hank was traveling on the road and learning from the Yankee GMs (all of them) during his twenties. He might be the most knowledgeable baseball owner in the game…
    You’re right, though. He didn’t say smart or intelligent. He said knowledgeable. Sorry.

    Brad December 6, 2007, 2:30 pm
  • again, sorry YF.

    Brad December 6, 2007, 2:31 pm
  • I’m just waiting for Hank to weigh in on the Jennifer Love Hewett engagement bikini scandal. :) As far as I can tell, he’s a bit of a blowhard (at least in his public persona) but it doesn’t seem that this has hurt the Yankees a whole lot (if at all), at least so far. Entertaining to SFs but not injurious to YFs… win-win, right? Why are we complaining?
    I have no opinion on the Rule 5. Did the Sox pick anyone up, or just lose that young guy?

    Jackie (SF) December 6, 2007, 3:31 pm

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