Sawing Wood: Sox-Yanks Spring Gamer

This spring has been pretty boring. Absent a little Henry-Steinbrenner rhetorical swordplay, the Shelley Duncan goon show, and the usual injury and contract concerns, this hasn’t been a terribly exciting or drama-filled spring for either team. I’m pretty sure that’s led to the dearth of posts we’ve seen this March — and certainly why I’d completely forgotten the storied rivals were meeting today. After all, when the games don’t count, it’s hard to get all excited.

The Yanks lead, 8-4, heading into the late innings. Bartolo Colon showed he still can’t do anything against the Bombers, Julian Tavarez showed why he should not be a fifth starter, and Chris Carter and Brandon Moss showed exactly why they may be bigger cogs on offense this season than we’d expected. They’ve been raking the ball all spring.

Comment away on the game, on the spring, or on anything else that crosses your mind today.

30 comments… add one
  • It is hard to get excited about a game that doesn’t mean anything. On the other hand, it’s a pretty good sign of how desperate I am for any kind of baseball when I find myself watching a video of a Billy Crystal at bat on So with that in mind, I’ll take what I can get!

    z118 March 17, 2008, 3:35 pm
  • I find it irritating beyond words that I can’t get this game on MLBRadio… anyone watching on MLBTV?

    rootbeerfloat March 17, 2008, 3:39 pm
  • When are the Yankee mods going to write some entrees???
    “the Shelley Duncan goon show”…whatever.

    krueg March 17, 2008, 3:40 pm
  • One party’s “enforcer” is another party’s “goon.” Just the way it works…
    It’s amazing that with six co-mods, everyone manages to fall into the same periods of insane busy-ness at the same time. I suspect that’s what’s happened here.
    For my part, it’s all I can do to keep the Top 50 coming up with regularity, as we had our house invaded by 30 women this weekend for my wife’s baby shower. You could almost feel the hormone balance in the house shifting.

    Paul SF March 17, 2008, 3:43 pm
  • Paul, i think you should get on the next flight to Tokyo.

    sam-YF March 17, 2008, 3:48 pm
  • You are entitled to your opinion, hell, it’s your site…I just wonder what would happen if I characterized a Boston player in the same way?
    Always nice to see the Yankees beating the Sox though…preseason or not.

    krueg March 17, 2008, 3:49 pm
  • We’d probably have a discussion like this, in which I disagreed, and then we’d both realize it’s spring training and not worth arguing about anymore…

    Paul SF March 17, 2008, 3:54 pm
  • kudos paul on the top 50 and keeping the site active of late. it hasn’t gone unnoticed. i’m sure now that we’ve gotten into the top 20 we’ll see some opinions.

    sf rod March 17, 2008, 4:00 pm
  • Tough day for Colon, but he hit 96 a few times on the YES gun. It he can get some control, it could be a genius pickup.
    Also, listen, you act like a goon people are going to call you a goon.

    LocklandSF March 17, 2008, 5:08 pm
  • Noted for future discussions…

    krueg March 17, 2008, 5:23 pm
  • Duly noted… :)

    A YF March 17, 2008, 5:27 pm
  • For example, Julian Tavarez is a GOON!

    LocklandSF March 17, 2008, 5:33 pm
  • lock- never mistake sending a message as being a goon. julian was sending the message to crawfords face that trying to score in spring training games is not something a team that we subsidize should do.

    sf rod March 17, 2008, 5:49 pm
  • I don’t mean for this to sound antagonizing, but I’ve seen that Beckett hasn’t officially thrown even one inning this spring. When was the last time he threw in a game? When will he start throwing in games? How long will that take? Will he be ready to pitch in the beginning of April, or will he be out till the middle of the month to build up arm strength?

    AndrewYF March 17, 2008, 6:35 pm
  • Always nice to see the Yankees beating the Sox though…preseason or not.
    Posted by: krueg

    10 years ago yankee fans (supposedly) never thought of the red sox. Now they celebrate preseason victories.
    How wonderfully times have changed.

    mattb March 17, 2008, 6:39 pm
  • Zing!

    A YF March 17, 2008, 6:42 pm
  • sf rod is basically a genius. His posts should get noted more often.

    Devine March 17, 2008, 7:22 pm
  • Andrew, I’ve heard projections that Beckett’s first start might be Fenway’s season opener april 8th against Detroit.
    I don’t think he has much arm strength building to do as he is in great shape, and the problem was lower back. I’m not sure what steps the sox are taking in between now and 4/8. He’s not going to Japan (thank goodness).

    Pat (SF) March 17, 2008, 7:24 pm
  • “It’s amazing that with six co-mods, everyone manages to fall into the same periods of insane busy-ness at the same time. I suspect that’s what’s happened here.”
    Yeah I am really sorry about my lack of posts, I am swamped. We open up our regular season April 1st, once that rolls around I will once again have some normalcy in my schedule. Right now it’s scrimmages and late nights every day. Scrimmages make split squad games look like Game #7 of the the World Series!

    John - YF March 17, 2008, 9:14 pm
  • Beckett’s made two starts this spring. The fact that they haven’t been against major leaguers means little, I think. He’s probably out for Oakland, maybe out for Toronto, and that’s as much as I’ve heard. He’s supposed to do a bullpen session this week, which makes me think he’ll be throwing minor-league games before the end of March. So this won’t cost him more than two starts, I don’t think…

    Paul SF March 17, 2008, 9:16 pm
  • Thanks Paul. I remember him starting against a Boston college, and maybe a minor league team, agreed it means little, the main point being when were those starts and how many pitches did he throw.

    AndrewYF March 17, 2008, 9:45 pm
  • i missed the game, but figured based on the lack of traffic here that the yanks must have won the game…
    “…Also, listen, you act like a goon people are going to call you a goon….”
    uh, ok lockland, you almost baited me into breaking my self-imposed name calling ban…
    clever mattb, but reality is that true yankee fans have always feared the red sox, false bravado notwithstanding…they finally broke through, you have not one, but two wins…walk proud…the red sox are real competition, no curse i guess…the better team won every time, right?…
    well kreug, the yank mods, good guys all, don’t seem to be as “into it” as their sox counterparts…this tends to be a sox-centric site, heavily influenced by sox fans…

    dc March 18, 2008, 1:05 am
  • If we are going to apply hockey terminology to our teams then it is fair to say that Shelley Duncan, if anyone, occupies the “goon” role for the Yankees. Not a ton of skill, a hot temper, the right physique. I can’t think of anyone else who qualifies – Jason Giambi, seemingly having the right physiology to be a “goon” is paid too much, seems quite bright, and probably has too much inherent talent. On the Sox it would easy to say it is Julian Tavarez, except that his role (at least last year) was a bit more significant than that you would trust with a conventional “as soon as the puck drops hammer the guy to your right” role, pre-season shenanigans notwithstanding. If Doug Mirabelli had made the team and had a bit of a violent streak he might have fit the bill, his playing time was right in line with a goon-type. As it is, the Sox seem without such an extraneous figure, perhaps appropriately, seeing as in baseball there isn’t a great necessity, like in hockey at times, for a surreptitious piece of lumber to the nuts.
    Man, I miss that 1970s-style hockey…

    SF March 18, 2008, 8:50 am
  • Speaking of 70s hockey…
    I saw on TV the other day that one of the Hanson brothers from Slapsot has a son that plays at a fairly high level, either college or semi-pro, don’t remember. Regardless, as it turns out, this young Hanson shares his fathers propensity for brutality, leading his league in penalty minutes, not just be a little, but some ridiculously high margin.

    LocklandSF March 18, 2008, 9:11 am
  • hehe, i like the hockey analogy sf…does having any original teeth matter in determining goon status?…i’d say if you guys still had kapler, he might qualify [don’t know the status of his teeth], except i’ve heard that he was a nice guy, well liked by other players around baseball…right now, i’d say you don’t really have a “goon”, unless maybe varitek [see arod], but he’s too important to the team, so he doesn’t qualify…i saw a quote from girardi saying that tavarez didn’t have very good control when he caught him a few years ago with the cubs, so if he hits a guy once in awhile who’s to say it was intentional…

    dc March 18, 2008, 9:19 am
  • “well kreug, the yank mods, good guys all, don’t seem to be as “into it” as their sox counterparts…this tends to be a sox-centric site, heavily influenced by sox fans…”
    DC I have to disagree with your comments. This is not a “sox-centric” site by any stretch of the imagination. The SoxFan/YanksFan moderator ratio is an equal 50/50 split. What exactly are we not “into” right now? Unfortunately the Yankee moderators see to be tied up right now, that’s all. We all have busy times in our lives, remember this isn’t our job. If this were the regular season we would all make time to put together some posts I’m sure, but right now it’s difficult to both find material and find the time. Paul has come up with a brilliant idea, with some wonderful content, Sox-centric or otherwise. Paul like all of the rest of the moderators does not get paid to do this. When taking that into consideration I think we can all agree he has done an extraordinary amount of work with his Top 50 list. So instead of being so concerned with the balance of Yankees to Sox threads and how much we are “into it” just enjoy some terrific writing as a baseball fan. This site needs both Sox fans and Yankee fans to thrive, comments like that just create an imaginary divide. Trust me when I tell you that the Yankee mods are just as excited about writing for this site as the Sox mods.

    John - YF March 18, 2008, 9:24 am
  • I’d say Farnsy is more the “enforcer” type on the Yanks, such as one exists. Shelley’s just an over-zealous kid, not some kind of maladjusted creep. I don’t think there’s any sign that he has a “hot temper”–he made one slightly dirty play. It was more old school than out-of-control. (Not that it was acceptable.) By all rights he’s a happy-go-lucky fellow and popular with both peers and writers.
    Yes, this site has been a bit Soxish lately–but I think we can all be grateful for Paul’s extraordinary 50-greatest series, which, yes, has taken up a good deal of real estate here. Beyond that, it’s been hard for me to post of late, for a variety of reasons. I hope to have more time for the blog soon.

    YF March 18, 2008, 9:24 am
  • john, yf…i understand completely that you have other commitments besides maintaining this site…sorry about my, in retrospect, lazily flippant remark that some of you don’t seem “into it”…i didn’t intend for that to be as crummy as it sounded…i just sense [unscientifically] an imbalance, even when the season is in full swing…come on, i miss what you guys have to say…hurry back before paul’s head explodes from the overload ;)

    dc March 18, 2008, 10:00 am
  • The site has been very “Sox-centric” lately…that’s why I was asking where the other side has been. I completely understand people have lives, I was just wondering.

    krueg March 18, 2008, 10:17 am
  • Actually the mod ratio is 4-to-2, Yanks. That’s just because SF and I are so talented and witty, it takes four YFs to equal the two of us. :-)

    Paul SF March 18, 2008, 2:14 pm

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