SF’s Postseason Awards Predictions: Ego-stroking Bonus Clause Edition

It’s that day. The one between the end of the regular season and the beginning of the playoffs, the day we submit our post-season awards opinions, before the playoffs contort our perspective and mess with our convictions.  I know that every year, no matter where they finish, the Yankees deserve every single one of them, such is the magnitude of their utter, blinding greatness, but I am going to go off the board and name some other guys for the National League prizes since none of the Bombers actually play in the senior circuit.  So here goes, with who will win listed first, and who, in my mind, should win in parentheses.  Yankees fans may be shocked at my open-minded picks:

AL Cy: Colon (Mo)
AL MVP: Ortiz. A-Rod. (A-Rod. Relax, Yankees fans, he’s the MVP).
AL Man: Torre (Torre or Francona, too close to call)
AL ROY: Street (Street)
NL Cy: Willis (Clemens – this one is a mind-bender, but even with only 13 wins Clemens does deserve it)
NL MVP: Jones (Pujols)
NL Man: Yost (Who the hell knows – it’s the NL for heck’s sake!)
NL ROY: Tavares (Tavares or Francoeur)

19 comments… add one
  • AL CY: Mo (Johan)
    AL MVP: A-Rod (A-Rod)
    AL ROY: Street (Street or Blanton)
    AL Man: Wedge (Wedge)
    AL Self-Righteous Douchebag of Year: Schilling (Schilling!)
    NL CY: Dontrelle (Dontrelle)
    NL MVP: Jones (D. Lee)
    NL ROY: Tavares (I don’t know)
    NL Man: Cox (Cox)
    NL You’ll Miss Me When I’m Gone of the Year: Pedro

    Nick October 3, 2005, 11:01 am
  • everybody forgot chris carpenter?

    walein October 3, 2005, 8:08 pm
  • No. It’s just very hard to ignore Clemens’ or Willis’ accomplishments on lesser teams. Carpenter suffers by virtue of the fact that he plays for a much better team than the Marlins. With the Cy Young, that context is a reasonable consideration, even though it is an individual award.

    SF October 3, 2005, 9:00 pm
  • I’ll admit to having overlooked Carpenter. I skipped over the win total, which can be deceptive, and the era is nearly a point lower than Rocket’s. Of course, that can be deceptive too. In terms of k/9, Carpenter is ahead, most of the other numbers are close, and Carpenter threw 240 plus innings to Clemens’s 211. That’s a big deal, and for it, I’d be willing to change my vote. Or maybe split it three ways: Could we have Dontrelle, Carpenter, and Clemens as Co-Cys? They all deserve it, and I like to have my cake and eat it too.

    YF October 3, 2005, 10:42 pm
  • Clarification: In era, Carpenter is nearly a point higher.

    YF October 3, 2005, 10:43 pm
  • Rethinking our rethinking: Just read this morning that Mr. Carpenter has allowed 21 runs in his last 21 or so innings. It’s a season award, but if there are other deserving candidates and one tanks it at the end….

    YF October 4, 2005, 9:08 am
  • Regardless of the tanking at the end (and the Cardinals clinched before he pitched those 21 innings, to boot), Carpenter falls short of Clemens performance-wise to me, on almost all fronts. He’s pitching in front of a superior team, so that discounts his accomplishments. Not to say I wouldn’t want him pitching instead of Matt Clement, but that’s another issue entirely.

    SF October 4, 2005, 1:42 pm
  • SF, when you write that he’s pitching in front of a superior team, do you mean a superior defense?

    Nick October 4, 2005, 2:01 pm
  • Yeah, you’ve lost me here, SF. This is not a team award. If Carpenter tossed an extra 30 plus innings, that’s a big deal (and perhaps why he faded down the stretch.) And look at the k and walk rates, which are team-unspecific, and Carpenter is superior. So what’s the deal? You get credit for being on a shittier team overall? But when it comes to the MVP voting you typically discount candidates on losing teams. So what’s the deal? I don’t understand the SF system.

    YF October 4, 2005, 2:44 pm
  • Sorry, SF, but don’t the writers, at least, usually give credit for wins? If Clemens doesn’t win the award, it will be because of his low number of wins, probably even more than the number of innings. Although he has a decent bullpen behind him, especially Brad Lidge, his run support is near non-existant. Carpenter would benefit from strong defense and run support because it would bring his run support up and his ERA down, giving him more wins. Fair or not, it’s one of the first things that people look at.

    Laura October 4, 2005, 2:54 pm
  • Clemens will be penalized because he doesn’t have a gaudy win total, and this is because he got crap run support from a shittier lineup than Carpenter had behind him. This is why Clemens WON’T win the Cy Young. I think he was the best pitcher in the NL this year. I am not sure why my logic befuddles everyone; the point is that Clemens is penalized primarily because he didn’t win as many games as Carpenter, and that low total sometimes obscures the voters as to who, in fact, was the “best”.
    As an aside to YF, the innings do matter, but not nearly as much when an ERA is a full run better in a inning amount of significance, such as Clemens threw.

    SF October 4, 2005, 3:08 pm
  • Although I’m hoping that Dontrelle wins it myself. Not Clemens. Just to be clear. Dontrelle has two more starts than Clemens (34 to 32, and Carpenter has 33), an ERA between Clemens and Carpenter (1.87, 2.63, 2.83), seven complete games (five shutouts), same as Carpenter (four complete games), as opposed to one from Clemens (not a shutout). Dontrelle also has only 5.1 innings pitched fewer than Carpenter (236.1 to 241.2), which is a lot more than Clemens (211.1). Dontrelle’s record was 22-10, Carpenter’s was 21-5 (which means that his bullpen blew some games for him–not likely–, he left the game tied several times, or the offense came back and tied it after he left), and Clemen’s was a measly 13-8 (what I said about Carpenter applies here, also, but a lot of his games were 0-0, 1-0, 1-1, etc.– you get the point). Looking at the stats, Dontrelle obviously gets more run support than Clemens, the lack of which is is a detriment in Clemen’s case, and less than Carpenter, which according to SF, at least, hurts Carpenter’s case. It’s just all there for Dontrelle. And I think that he deserves it the most. he is a great pitcher on an underachieving team, and he made the most of what he had this year.

    Laura October 4, 2005, 3:08 pm
  • The part of my last comment, SF, was written before I saw your post. I think I get what you mean now. It was worded weird the first time, though, I think.

    Laura October 4, 2005, 3:12 pm
  • The part regarding you, I mean. I’m extremely scatterbrained today. You probably got what I meant, but whatever.

    Laura October 4, 2005, 3:13 pm
  • Let’s look at an extreme hypothetical, just for argument’s sake. If a pitcher made 30 starts, pitched 210 innings, struck out 200, gave up no runs, maybe a hit an inning, and maybe a walk every 8, he’d have a 0.00 ERA and insane supplemental stats. Now, if his team scored zero runs, he’d have no wins. He’d go 0-0 on the season. And there’d be no argument that he was the best pitcher in the league, perhaps the best pitcher ever. Clemens’ season wasn’t that far from this. He would still be the best, even if his team stunk and he won no games the entire year. The MVP is a different matter, and I don’t want to commingle these two awards: YF and I have a different recognition of the word “value”, and the Cy Young doesn’t involve that term, so they are different beasts.
    It’s not that Carpenter isn’t any good; hardly. It’s that Clemens was superior, to me, regardless of the 30 inning differential (which I find relatively insignificant once they all hit the 200 inning benchmark, but that’s just me).

    SF October 4, 2005, 3:14 pm
  • YF: I’m not sure how thirty innings is “insignificant.” That’s ridiculous. It basically means that Carpenter is pitching an extra inning every start. Which may explain why he has more wins than Clemens (ie, Clemens departs early, leaving his team’s middle relief with a big job, and not giving his team, already not a great offensive one, as muc time to score for him). So I really think you’re massively off the mark here. Moreover, it’s become something of a sabermetric truism that ERA can be deceptive, and is not the best measure of a pitcher. So if you want to throw out Carpenter’s wins, then I’m going to throw out Clemens superior era. And then lall of a sudden the numbers are fairly comparable. Perhaps Clemens even has an advantage. But again, it’s hard not to look at those extra 30 plus innings.
    As stated before, I like the three-way tie for this award.

    YF October 4, 2005, 4:03 pm
  • We aren’t in much disagreement here; the three guys discussed are the top 3. I simply prefer Clemens (even though I dislike him, which says quite a lot). You seem to want to make this into more of an argument than it really is.

    SF October 4, 2005, 4:17 pm
  • Not really. I just want to see that you’re accountable to your own logic. But this definitely is not, imho, analogous to the AL MVP race, where A-Rod seems the only serious choice.

    YF October 4, 2005, 4:22 pm
  • “accountable to your own logic”
    What are you talking about? Based on statistics, performance, and the context that helps us understand those statistics, I think Clemens deserves the Cy Young.
    Where’s the illogic?

    SF October 4, 2005, 5:03 pm

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