Sox-Tribe Postmortem I: Most Valuable Papi

Quick thoughts before beginning the workday:

  1. It’s still early, and there’s a lot of baseball left to play, but Dere Jeter’s MVP hopes took a significant hit last night.
  2. Ortiz’s heroics would have been impossible without Kyle Snyder’s fantastic performance. 4.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R. As Jim Rice said last night, perhaps coming into the middle of a game agrees with him more than starting. If so, we’ve got a terrific middle reliever (but no fifth starter. Go figure).
  3. I’m glad Mike Lowell is still with the Red Sox. His reaction after the home run was the same as everyone else’s in the ballpark. No cool, detached profesionalism. No just-collecting-paychecks flippance. Just leaping up and down with a huge, disbelieving smile. Cool.
11 comments… add one
  • Kluv August 1, 2006, 11:07 am
  • “Dere(sic) Jeter’s MVP hopes took a significant hit last night”
    Because New York was idle?
    Because his cologne smells like gasoline?
    Because he’s only hitting .400 since the break?
    Because balloters will misspell his name? ;)
    Papi’s exploits, especially late inning, are not of this world, to be sure. In the end, sure “there can be only one” MVP, but MVP voting is not a zero-sum game.
    I would flip your statement and say that Papi’s chances improved, but not necessarily at Jeter’s expense. Jeter will help or hurt his chances with his play, regardless of Papi’s performances.
    All that stated, yeah, Ortiz looks like a lock.

    attackgerbil August 1, 2006, 11:32 am
  • On second thought, yeah, MVP voting is a zero-sum game.

    attackgerbil August 1, 2006, 11:37 am
  • My point is that within individual balloting, Ortiz’ position can improve without detriment to Jeter. Some balloters will never cast a first place vote for a player who isn’t near the lead at his own position, never mind the league, in RBIs and Home Runs (Jeter). Some will be hard-pressed to cast a first place vote for a DH when a position player on the same team has arguably the same or better numbers batting behind him in the line-up.

    attackgerbil August 1, 2006, 11:47 am
  • Jeter smells like chilled grapefruit, clean oak moss, and spice.
    Ortiz smells like… victory.

    Hudson August 1, 2006, 1:38 pm
  • My point was, at least in the context of this site, that Jeter has been most mentioned as an alternative MVP candidate to Ortiz. As such, he most likely suffers when Ortiz launches yet another walkoff shot.
    MVP balloting by definition is zero sum, but you’re right, AG, that Ortiz’s shot likely detracted from the chances of several legitimate candidates, not just Jeter. I just think it hurt Jeter the most because they play in the same division, and Jeter was the No. 1 alternate.

    Paul SF August 1, 2006, 2:07 pm
  • Yes Paul, I realized that MVP was zero sum after I whipped out an adjective without thinking it through; I was thinking with individual or sets of ballots.
    Glad to know you think Jeter was the No. 1 alternate. I as more worried about Mauer. We’ll take all the support we can get. :)

    attackgerbil August 1, 2006, 2:15 pm
  • i just wanted to thank YF, YM, and AG, for hanging around on the sox thread last nite. you guy’s gave a much needed stir to the proverbial pot. it is appreciated.

    sf rod August 1, 2006, 2:53 pm
  • I wouldn’t worry about the Twins’ candidates — they suffer the affliction of having two pitchers AND two hitters who could win it. It’s hard for any of them to be the MOST valuable player in the whole league if you have to choose among four of them just for the team…

    Paul SF August 1, 2006, 4:30 pm
  • Paul, couldn’t you say that about the Sox. To me, they have 3 legit MVP candidates in Manny, Ortiz and Paps.

    Nick-YF August 1, 2006, 4:44 pm
  • Yeah, yeah, Papi’s great, and I think that he’ll probably win the MVP this year, BUT…
    …his heroics are masking some problems for the Sox that I think will show themselves over the course of the season. I mentioned on this site about two months that the Sox had a high number of 8th or 9th inning comebacks – at that time is was 4 of 30-something wins, I think – and that trend has continued. Baseball being what it is, you figure that the clutch hits and one-run wins will fall the way of the other team over the balance of the season. If that happens, the Sox will, I think, really be in trouble.
    However, I accept that a team can get (statistically) lucky over one season and simply come out way on top in close games – so a correction may not happen. But one thing we never talk about is Bill James’ Pythagorean principle – taking runs scored and conceded and coming up with total wins. This method is for the most part strikingly accurate, and pretty much for the whole season the Yanks have been top in this category. At the moment, it shakes out to 90.5 wins for the Sox and just over 93 wins for the Yanks.
    Couple that with the acquisitions of Abreu and Lidle (who the Sabre guys reckon will add 3 or 4 wins to the Yanks for the rest of the year) and it doesn’t look good for the Sox right now, despite Papi’s best attempts. I’d be very happy to see Papi win the MVP while the Yanks take the division title.

    Sam August 1, 2006, 6:01 pm

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