Speaking of Filthy Rich …

The Philadelphia Daily News scoops the Boston press with this nugget slipped into their GM meetings roundup:

The Red Sox aren’t through yet. Multiple sources say they are set to sign free-agent outfielder J.D. Drew, the Phillies’ old amigo, for a 4-year, $48 million deal.

If the Sox sign Drew and Matsuzaka, it solves two of their three biggest problems (starter, No. 5 hitter, closer/bullpen) within the first two months of the off-season. That would indeed be impressive — and exciting from a Sox-Fan perspective.

For the record, the Globe’s Buzz still has the Sox talking to Drew with unsourced guesses that he could be looking for four years at $56M. The Herald reported Thursday that the Sox were "very interested" in Drew and said rumors that the team had made an offer were false. The Daily News is citing "multiple sources," which makes it sound firmer than the rumor that was going around earlier.

(Hat tip: Joy of Sox).

56 comments… add one
  • 4/48 represents good value, I think. Kudos to Theo if that’s what he’s done.
    I know, I know, it’s a side issue, but do have an idea of current payrolls? JD and DMat will add about $25m to Boston’s payroll, and Foulke leaving takes about $5m off, right? How much was Nixon getting paid? Seems to me like the Sox have more to spend…

    Sam November 17, 2006, 9:34 am
  • Foulke made 10mill/year.
    Nixon made 7.5mill/year.

    Brad November 17, 2006, 10:01 am
  • Foulke made that much? Wow.
    Okay, so the $51m aside (let’s not get into that again…), if they sign a closer for about $7m, we’re looking at about a $15m rise in payroll? Seems reasonable.

    Sam November 17, 2006, 10:07 am
  • And that still leaves tham about 5/10M short of the tax. Not bad at all.

    Paul SF November 17, 2006, 10:11 am
  • Unless my math is way off and unless Theo does something crazy, the Red Sox payroll PLUS the posting fee for Matsuzaka will still be WAY under the Yankee payroll plus their lux tax.
    The Evil Empire will again stand alone.

    LocklandSF November 17, 2006, 10:23 am
  • Take another five off that amount. The Braves are paying all of Renterias salary this year. The Red Sox only picked up the half of it for last year. A guy I work with, however valuable that may be, says that there were stipulations re: Rentawreck that said if he did X and Y, the Braves were responsible for his salary this year, and clearly the guy had a great year there.

    Brad November 17, 2006, 10:35 am
  • Also, you can subrtact the contracts of Mirra-beer-belli, Kapler, JT Snow (4mill) and Javy Lopez at around the same cost to the Red Sox.
    Approximately, the Red Sox will have lifted around 26million from the payroll already by not signing those guys (plus the two above).

    Brad November 17, 2006, 10:40 am
  • Lux tax is based on players avg salary over the terms of the contract, not what the are due in specific years. ( I don’t think this changed in the new CBA) This hurt the yanks in the past few years because they had lots of players with later year heavy contracts.
    And 2006 numbers for Foulke and Nixon were 7.25 and 6.5
    Ortiz got a nice bump too, $6 mill more for 07 and beckett got an extension
    Is Drew worth more than Sheff? With the longer contract is he worth the injury risk?

    Seth November 17, 2006, 10:46 am
  • Seth, is there any player worth the money when you factor in injury risk? Also, not having Sheff on the Red Sox is good enough for me. I don’t need to analyze numbers or stats, or injuries to know that I don’t want Sheff on the Red Sox. Another 38 year old on the downside in the outfield? No thanks, I’ll take the guy, that when healty, is pretty damn good.
    Also, no matter what anyone says, Sheff would have real problems with the Fenway crowd. He did hit one of them, remember?

    Brad November 17, 2006, 10:52 am
  • Again, Sheff’s decline is a very very good player. Also, Drew, who is also a very good player, is a big injury risk going forward; a bigger injury risk than most players, inlcuding Sheffield. This is based on his career. Drew is just not very durable. I believe the ability to stay healthy is a skill-set, and it’s a skill that Drew hasn’t shown.
    The Sox would ideally want to sign him for a short-term deal. I’d imagine they’ll try to overpay on a two year deal (2 years, 32 million) rather than go for a 4 year deal, because of Drew’s injury history.

    Nick from Washington Heights November 17, 2006, 10:58 am
  • oops! My other name is revealed!

    Nick-YF November 17, 2006, 11:01 am
  • “He did hit one of them, remember?”
    If you remember correctly, it was Sheff who was hit by one of the Fenway faithful.

    Andrews November 17, 2006, 11:18 am
  • Nick, I knew it was you all along!

    Brad November 17, 2006, 11:20 am
  • My problem with Drew is that he’s basically an expensive Trot. Trot would take a nice discount to stay in Boston and platoon with Wily Mo, which would be fine with me, instead of Drew and Wily Mo not getting enough at bats.
    Considering Drew almost always misses at least 25% of th season, I guess Wily Mo might have a chance to see some at bats, but is that a good reason to break the bank on Drew?

    LocklandSF November 17, 2006, 11:20 am
  • In that Sheff has been ripped time and time again here for being an assh==e, etc, I must point out that I haven’t heard anything good spoken about JD Drew as a teammate, talent notwithstanding. Or do we have a double standard?

    Andrews November 17, 2006, 11:23 am
  • Seth, I realize that, my point about adding the lux tax is that YFs insist on lumping the posting fee in with what ever contract we give him, so if you look at it that way, it’s like a player specific lux tax. This allows you to compare total player cost in a given year, so total real cost of the players on the field for the Yankees will still be WAY over the Red Sox.

    LocklandSF November 17, 2006, 11:24 am
  • Correction: strike the “or”

    Andrews November 17, 2006, 11:24 am
  • Andrews, Drew could beat old ladies on prime time national TV and I would still prefer him to Sheff.
    So yes, there is a double standard.
    I feel that Gary Sheffield might be the worst person on the planet.

    LocklandSF November 17, 2006, 11:25 am
  • yeah, I agree. I haven’t really heard that Drew is a terrible teammate? Is that true?
    Sheff could cure cancer, and I still want nothing to do with him. Besides, it’s irrelevant at this point because Cashman made sure that would never happen.

    Brad November 17, 2006, 11:30 am
  • Sheff > Dick Cheney.
    And good point about injuries, Nick. I do think that it should be viewed as a skills set when it comes to evaluating players and their worth. And yeah, Sheff being an idiot notwithstanding, isn’t Drew supposed to be a douche bag?

    Sam November 17, 2006, 11:33 am
  • “I feel that Gary Sheffield might be the worst person on the planet.”
    That’s ridiculous.
    Drew, no doubt enormously talented, has a rep as a player who doesn’t care, someone who just phones it in. Check out ” 3 Nights in August” or listen to what the GM in LA is saying right now.
    Also, how many players can you name who made the second out at home plate on one play?

    Andrews November 17, 2006, 11:48 am
  • Go ahead and sign Drew as your everyday right fielder Red Sox! You’ll make this Yankfan happy. Having watched a ton of Dodger games during his stint here in LA, he’s a brittle, inconsistent player who goes through streaks of production followed by nifty slumps.

    bloodyank78 November 17, 2006, 11:53 am
  • I second that by78!!

    Andrews November 17, 2006, 11:57 am
  • Ask people you know from Philly their thoughts on JD Drew

    Seth November 17, 2006, 12:03 pm
  • Tracy Ringolsby of the Rocky Mountain News reports Drew will sign shortly wityh Boston for 2-years $30 million.

    TJ November 17, 2006, 12:13 pm
  • “Take another five off that amount. The Braves are paying all of Renterias salary this year.”
    I think if we start doing stuff like this, it’ll be insanely difficult for us to analyze, since well, the Yanks gets something like 8 mil for ARod, but then they also do stuff like give 4 mil along with Wright..
    Nonetheless.. is the Yanks payroll minus the Red Sox’s soon to be payroll higher than RS minus whoever’s in third?

    Lar November 17, 2006, 12:14 pm
  • TJ: That seems unbelievable for me.. even though he might have the reputation of being injury prone, you would think he’ll at least try to get a 4 year contract.. though the 15 mil per might make it okay..

    Lar November 17, 2006, 12:15 pm
  • Perhaps hes thinking he rather get back on the market 2 years sooner where his value would likely be hiogher then it will in 4 years then in 2 years he can lock down one last long term deal in his career.

    TJ November 17, 2006, 12:18 pm
  • Good point, he is 31, so 33 might make sense..
    Would think it’s a bit risky though, because if he underperforms, then well, he might not get that big pay day. And if he hits like Sheff at that age, then it wouldn’t matter so much anyhow..

    Lar November 17, 2006, 12:21 pm
  • yea, but if he dont hit well he would get evcen less at 35 then he would at 33 its a calculated risk, but one even I would make.
    On a side note. The Jays signed Frank Thomas for 2/18 Mill

    TJ November 17, 2006, 12:23 pm
  • And now that I thought about it this makes perfect sense for Boston.
    You slide Drew into RF and Pena into CF, I would guess Crisp is now done in Boston. Now then in 2008 you move Drew to LF and Pena to RF making room for Ellsbury and sendinbg Manny on his way, in 2009 you move another of your young guys into LF if there not ready and Drew has played well you try locking him in for a couple more seasons.

    TJ November 17, 2006, 12:28 pm
  • I would guess Crisp is now done in Boston….
    What? Why? Crisp was hurt all of last year, so now he’s done? He did play pretty well when he was feeling okay, and was signed to a pretty good extension, so why’s he gone or “done” as you say?
    Also, if Drew signs for two years it will go to further my point that there is something fishy going on between Boras, the Sox, and his two egss in Boston right now.
    Drew should never, ever sign for two years, and when was the last time any of us saw that kind of Boras talent take a shorter deal that other teams would give him?
    Whatever, I like Drew and could care less how much YF’s want to lament the guy because he’s coming to Boston. Many of them don’t realize what we’ve been through with Trot since, well, since his Draft day.
    There’s a reason that he and Nomar were called the “glass brothers” while coming up.
    Drew is a better player, period.

    Brad November 17, 2006, 12:36 pm
  • Manny, Drew and Pena = 30 HRs each I can see keeping Crisp as a 4th OF but im not sure he would be ahppy with that and would demand a trade.
    Unless they geta real good offer for Manny which is possible I think Crisp would be the odd man out in that OF.

    TJ November 17, 2006, 12:39 pm
  • Pena = 30HR
    Pena = 225 SO, and a ton of Ortiz’s left on Base.
    Pena = a blind man in the outfield.
    Pena = should be the odd man out.
    Crisp = fast, good contact hitter.
    Crisp= still amazing upside.
    Crisp = good in the front part of lineup.
    Crisp = great, no, amazing plays in the OF
    I think you and I are on different pages here, TJ. Good arguments can be made for either guy, but I think crisp is a better fit. Think Playoffs. Contact hitters, good speed, and good defense. None of these characteristics reside on the Pena list.

    Brad November 17, 2006, 12:44 pm
  • Word is that there were lots of conversations about Manny at the GM winter meetings this week.

    Andrews November 17, 2006, 4:02 pm
  • Andrews, isn’t that the case every year?

    LocklandSF November 17, 2006, 4:12 pm
  • Brad, Pena’s Ks are the least of the Sox’ concerns. His outfield defense is far more important.
    Nevertheless, it would be next to impossible to move Crisp for anything close to equal value. I bet they give Pena another year of platoon/backup work if they sign Drew.
    I can’t speak to the issues around Drew’s motivation. I’ve heard people speak passionately on both sides of that issue. I do know, however, that Drew was the best RF in the NL last year by WARP, and one of the Top 6 in baseball. The only injury he suffered in the last three seasons was a broken hand caused by a hit-by-pitch — not exactly a strained hamstring or oblique or what have you.
    He’s not just a more expensive Trot. He is every year what Trot was in his best year — and he’s LESS injury-prone. I think the two-year deal the Rocky is discussing would be a very smart move by the Red Sox, considering the injury concerns and the presence of Pena/future presence of Ellsbury.

    Paul SF November 17, 2006, 5:53 pm
  • I’m like a broken record but I *will* say it again:
    Trading Manny Ramirez, arguably the most gifted and most consistent hitter in baseball over the past decade, is insanely stupid.
    The Sox should worry now about getting a closer, more middle relief, and probably yet another potential starter. (Remember, back in Spring Trading, the Sox had something like 17 starting pitchers, and by mid-season we had about 3 left.)

    Hudson November 17, 2006, 7:31 pm
  • …why didn’t you guys just keep damon?…no questions about his value, skill, motivation…

    dc November 19, 2006, 9:28 pm
  • he’ll be old, that’s why.

    Brad November 19, 2006, 9:37 pm
  • …old like timlin, shilling, and wakefield?…didn’t you guys also say clemens was too old?…

    dc November 19, 2006, 9:45 pm
  • Timlin = pitcer.
    Wakefield = Pitcher.
    Schilling = pitcher (dominant one at that)
    Do you have any other stupid questions? If the Sox signed Wakefield or Schilling to play centerfield, I’d appreciate your argument, but for now, well it’s the typical DC argument: no substance, and full of spin.
    Plus, nobody withing the current organization ever said Clemens was too old, so what’s your point there?
    Sometimes I think you are a 12 year old sneaking onto your Dad’s computer to troll around for arguments to get into.
    Knowing pitching is/was/always will be at a premium, and well centerfielders are pretty much always available, what would you have thought acceptable signings, DC?
    Please enlighten me.

    Brad November 19, 2006, 9:52 pm
  • me know type good. Broken finger. sorry

    Brad November 19, 2006, 9:54 pm
  • …sure it’s your finger and not your brain that’s on the mend old buddy?…i can always tell when i get the best of you sf’s because you resort to insults and spin instead of facts…i just asked why you didn’t keep damon…he didn’t play like an old man this year, and he played with an injury…i don’t know much about drew, but i’ve heard, from you guys by the way, that he has a reputation for being brittle, and when you combine that with the sketchy results you got from wily mo, trot, and coco, and the ever-present manny trade rumors, one wonders why you would allow the one bit of stability in your outfield to get away so cheaply…and stop making excuses for your current management…they did win one in the last 4-5 years thanks only to the wild card turning the post season into a tournament, but they also finished 2,2,2,2,3…good progress…

    dc November 19, 2006, 11:07 pm
  • dc, who’s talking about this year? I said, he’s old (which, by the way he is getting) and next year, when the guys you named won’t be a part of the RS roster, Damon will still be eating up another ten a year for NY.
    Also, who’s making excuses for management? I said they didn’t send the Rocket away, and they didn’t.
    Also, I’m glad to see you’re still hanging you hat on the East Crown. Congrats.
    Also, Jake Plummer sucks.

    Brad November 19, 2006, 11:45 pm
  • PS – I don’t think that you’ve ever gotten the best of anyone on this site, regardless of affiliation.

    Brad November 19, 2006, 11:47 pm
  • …well brad, we play the seasons one year at a time, and while you can enjoy revelling in the yankees failure to reach the ws, you can’t blame damon this year…i expect the same effort from him next year…on the other hand, how much money is veratek “eating up”, to use your phrase?…
    …unfortunately the east crown is the only frame of reference for both of us for the past 2 years…
    “I don’t think that you’ve ever gotten the best of anyone on this site, regardless of affiliation.”
    …no one could ever accuse you of being a homer brad…we know you don’t like me…good think i’m not sensitive…
    …jake plummer?…

    dc November 20, 2006, 12:03 am
  • A) I’ve never said that I don’t like you. I don’t even know you. For all I know I’d love to sit and have a Sam with you.
    B) Catcher’s don’t eat up salary, ever. They’re not out there and when you have an all-star (even with an off year), it can never be said he eat’s up money. Period.
    C) Jake Plummer is the much maligned quarterback of my beloved Denver Broncos who just lost a crucial game to the Chargers because of gross incompetence and poor decision making. He repeatedly rips my heart out when it matters, and I’m starting to really dislike him and think he’s creating a log jam at the postition for a just-as talented, younger player in Jay Cutler from Vanderbilt.

    Brad November 20, 2006, 12:15 am
  • Brad, on the QB note re: Broncos, watching Plummer, and having seen quite a bit of Cutler (I live in Nashville, TN), I actually feel pretty confident saying that Cutler is more talented than Plummer.
    The SEC is huge business down here, as you’re probably aware, and Vanderbilt is the Kansas City Royals or Tampa Bay Devil Rays of the SEC. Cutler was able to make them feel like they were better than that. That’s poise and frickin leadership right there.

    Quo November 20, 2006, 12:26 am
  • amen, quo. I think Cutler is going to unbelievably successful in Denver. He has a big time arm, and good head (hello, Vanderbilt..). Denver needs a passing QB with a bigtime cannon, otherwise having the best running games does nothing for them.
    I’m waiting for Shanny’s decision, but until then, I think I’m getting off the Snake fan wagon.

    Brad November 20, 2006, 12:49 am
  • brad, we can respectfully disagree on whether a catcher “eats salary”…to me, it doesn’t matter what the player’s position is, or their track record…if they don’t perform in the current season, and we have to spend money to replace or supplement their lack of production, that’s “eating”…
    …sorry about plummer, i can identify with your frustration…if it makes you feel any better, i’m a jet fan…anybody you know that has a worse story of fan futility than mine?…
    …i’m sure we would both enjoy a sam together…i’ve been told that i’m not such a bad guy…i’m definitely not the jerk i might seem like on this site at times, and that’s from some of the most rabid sox fans you’d ever want to meet…

    dc November 20, 2006, 1:24 am
  • Brad, I was just about to try to find you and start an impromptu Broncos thread blasting Plummer, when I see, you’ve beaten me to the punch. :) Are you ready for Cutler now? Last night was as frustrating a game to watch as I’ve seen in years. Snake is worthless. Shanny won’t call any medium-range passes b/c he knows Plummer will throw an idiotic pick, and every deep ball Plummer threw was either into double-coverage or way off the mark or both. I’m sorry, he’s dumber than Bledsoe, which ain’t (or maybe is?) small potatoes. SF emailed me last night wondering how the hell the Broncs beat the Pats at NE, and I didn’t really have an answer except to say that Brady was maybe sort of in a funk over losing Branch. The whole team is suffering. The D was exhausted by the end of the third quarter last night b/c once SD realized that Plummer was never gonna throw anything but dump-off screens, they just keyed the run, and that was that. Sure, props to LT2, b/c he’s basically Barry Sanders with pass-receiving ability and a team around him–a total beast–but dc, honestly, at this moment, I’d trade you Plummer for Pennington and a Jets beer cosy in a friggin’ heartbeat.
    ps – Drew is a DL-baby of JuanGone proportions. Roll the dice, Theo.

    Spidey November 20, 2006, 10:03 am
  • NE? C’mon. Denver is a better team than NE, and has been for the past two years, Spidey. Brady is great, but it takes more than a great QB to beat Denver when you can’t run the ball.
    That being said, I have absolutely no faith in Jake, and it replacing him now means taking some lumps for next season, I say do it. They won’t win in a big game with Plummer anyhow, and at least Cutler has the arm to get the passes there.
    It may be my homerism, but I think Cutler was the best overall QB taken this year, and he should at least get a chance. What’s he learning on the bench – how to throw untimely picks?
    Replace him now.

    Brad November 20, 2006, 11:52 am
  • If the Pats and Broncs play again, I’ll gladly bet a pot of Boston baked beans against a sack of Rocky Mountain oysters. No way the Pats lose to that squad again, particularly not with Plummer at the helm, playing like has recently.

    SF November 20, 2006, 11:53 am
  • SF – I’ll take that bet. Denver has NE’s number and has for the past three years. It’s going to take Brady realizing that no matter how good he thinks he is, he can’t throw the ball to Champ’s side.
    But, I will will say this: Plummer plays well against NE, and always has but I would rather lose to NE with Cutler than see it happen again.
    Also, both of those food are disgusting, so let’s bet something else. For sure, these two teams are metting again this year.

    Brad November 20, 2006, 12:03 pm
  • Well, the Patsies are pretty banged up defensively, and I agree with Brad, even Brady can’t win a game alone. Maroney seems to be the real deal, though, and he and Dillon make for a decent running game. Brady seems to be getting more comfortable with his wideouts. Hm. It’d be one of those games where when one team has the ball (NE), you’ve got two quality squads out there, and when the other has possession (Den), blech. It’s just a shame seeing the Broncs now, though, b/c they finally have a complete D…and their offense looks like the Ravens O as helmed by Trent Dilfer. Except Dilfer was smarter than Plummer. D’oh. Start Cutler Now.

    Spidey November 20, 2006, 1:29 pm

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