SuperGood: YFSF Fenway Weekend Wrap-Up


SF and I had a pretty spectacular time on our trip to the Hub over the weekend. (A special big ups to Parents of SF for hosting.) SF has given a fairly solid review of Friday’s action. On Saturday, as we all know by now, Beckett was terrific, and Wang wasn’t himself. Balls way up in the zone and a bunch of free passes: that’s not his recipe for success. When the two men found themselves in trouble, Beckett was able to strike his way out of it, and Wang wasn’t. Unfortunately we missed the truly great game in the series, last night’s. Brilliant work from Clemens, Schilling, Lowell, Jeter, Minky….a wonderfully played game all around, marred only by a blown call early, and capped by a wonderfully tense conclusion. That’s what this series is about, and I sure hope we see more of it in October. Capital O. Some further notes on our trip:

-Okajima has a Japanese-style punk-pop theme song, "Okajima Okey-Dokey," with the lyric O-K-A-J-I…(you can see where this is going). Pretty funny. Also funny: I think he’s tipping pitches.

-Matsuzaka: The two or three little hip thrusts he does before each pitch…it’s just a lot more strange/homoerotic when you see it in person; especially if you’re sitting on the first-base line. The Yanks were clearly sitting on his fastball, and still failed to do much against him. Given another chance….. Also, the official Red Sox store on Yawkey was selling a "Matzuzaka" jersey. Not sure what gives with that.

-Beckett’s delivery is sharp, compact, perfect. Keeps his hands low the whole way—no exaggerated windup of any kind—and just burns it in there.

-I know we all want our kids to go to Harvard, but when their acapella group comes out on the field to sing the Anthem and they call themselves the Din and Tonics you just start to think maybe the little ones will be better off at State.

-Worst promotion in Fenway baseball history: Get your free Dick Berardino autograph! Who? Yes, Dick Berardino. What, was Jack Brohamer busy?

-Fact: A wheelchair-bound female ALS patient threw a more accurate ceremonial first pitch than Dane Cook. And you should hear her tell The Aristocrats.

-Yeah, as SF noted, I thought the Yanks were done when Oki came in during game 1. But after Tito Papelbon coughed up the lead, SF looked like Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. ESPN actually cut away to him when they needed a shot of a dejected fan. Not joking. Long lost college friends started calling on that iPhone.

-Bob Sheppard is the best. Carl Beane is a very close second.

-From the first base line, Alex’s swing is really, really, really beautiful. And he just looks like an assassin, with the white gloves and the shiny black bat and gleaming helmet.

-Derek had one heck of a weekend. Big hit in the Game 1 rally. Dinger in Game 2 off Beckett. The winner off Schilling in Game 3. He was spaning the ball all over the place even when he made out. There was a point on Saturday when JD Drew was chatting with him at 2nd base during a pitching change, and it was just amazing how much bigger he was; I think we take that for granted, because you don’t notice it so much on tv.

-Fenway Park on a pretty fall afternoon. If that doesn’t make you smile, nothing on earth can. And forget the score.

68 comments… add one
  • Spot on, YF, great summary. I will have some more to add photographically speaking when I get near an actual computer.

    SF September 17, 2007, 10:09 am
  • One more thing to add: A really stunning percentage of the Fenway faithful sport Red Sox hats and uniforms. They really support the team. There were also a large number of Yankee fans at the game, in colors (there was even a LETS GO YAN-KEES chant at one point), but with all that the fans as a whole were probably the best behaved i’ve ever seen in a stadium. Everyone was out there having a good time, both days. No drunks. Nothing obscene. It was really great. The bozo who ran onto the field last night was very much an exception.

    YF September 17, 2007, 10:19 am
  • What a crazy/great/heartbreaking series! The Yankees pulled it out now let’s see if we can actually beat the teams we SHOULD beat and grab the wildcard!
    How impressive is Joba? His curveball was ridiculous. Mo always makes me nervous against the Sox. They don’t fear him at all. Same with Papelbon though for us I suppose. I guess “familiarity breeds comfort” in this case?

    krueg September 17, 2007, 10:22 am
  • Is that you guys in the yellow and blue shirts??
    Funny re: the ESPN shot SF. Sorry it had to be on a downer – those are the shots that YFs rewind a couple times (as I’m sure SF fans do when an Ortiz HR leaves YFs feeling glum), so you are probably well-known in Yankeeland now.
    Since you guys were there, can you please comment on Gagne? From the appearance on Fri night (I didn’t see the appearance last night – just on the radio) he looked so seriously uncomfortable with his shoulder between almost every pitch that I really wondered how wise it was to put him out there. Obviously they wouldn’t do it if he was hurt, but I don’t think I can remember a pitcher looking so uncomfortable throughout an appearance. Comments around here seem to be that he has more or less worked out his kinks lately, and his results from this weekend were perfect from the SF point of view I’m sure, but he just looked unbelievably uncomfrotable and almost injured.
    How did it look from the stands and is this guy really OK physically?

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 10:27 am
  • Can we get a screencap of that? I was at a bar at the time and didn’t remember that, though I’m sure it’s half because I was so pumped at the time..
    Gagne looked okay yesterday, for the most part..

    Lar September 17, 2007, 10:32 am
  • this was one hell of a series to have attended. the games were close (until late on saturday), and it sounds like friendly fenway lived up to its name.
    i’m jealous.
    also… did anybody else see this?:
    “While warming up in the eighth inning, [Rivera] was accidentally struck on his right elbow by a ball thrown in the Red Sox bullpen. According to Ron Villone, Rivera “couldn’t feel his arm.”
    (on the second page)
    so who is the sox’s bullpen sniper?
    my guess? tavarez.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 10:42 am
  • Oh man, PINK HAT fan on the right. Gross.

    doug YF September 17, 2007, 10:47 am
  • IH: Gagne looked great to both SF and me. His fastball was really burning–around 93 on the stadium gun, and he was throwing curves/off-speed in the hih 70s and mid 80s. He looked really hard to hit, and I didn’t notice anything uncomfortable. Also, to me, MDC has terrific raw material, and I don’t see why the Sox don’t pitch him more instead of guys like lopez and tavarez. High 90s heat and a sick curveball. If he can control his material, he’s quite a weapon.

    YF September 17, 2007, 10:51 am
  • Also, no, we’re not in that pic.

    YF September 17, 2007, 10:51 am
  • So if that story is true, can that actually be an excuse for Rivera’s ‘wildness’? Not the absolute bullshit “Papelbon didn’t have time to warm up so that’s why he blew the save” crap I’ve heard from some Sox fans.
    I can’t believe he got hit, on the arm, and was still able to nail down the save.

    AndrewYF September 17, 2007, 10:54 am
  • YF: On Friday (perhaps not yesterday), he was slowly rotating his shoulder, raising his hand high in the air and leaning over a bit between almost every pitch. The commentators were talking about it on TV. I guess if his pitches looked great it did not translate, but I don’t think that is his normal routine.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 10:54 am
  • We missed that I guess. SF?

    YF September 17, 2007, 10:58 am
  • After this weekend, YFs have to feel very good over all re: a possible Sox matchup in October. 7-2 in the last 9 games (including 6 games at Fenway) and 9-3 in the last 12. Boston is too good a team to get over-confident about, but NY scarcely could have done any better.
    And it is amazing what a big difference defense makes. Although I know that, I tend to dismiss it from time to time since it doesn’t show up in the stats as much, but if Meinkiewicz isn’t at first base we lose last night’s game. And by more than one run.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 11:00 am
  • Wouldn’t pay too much attention to the injury analysis of ESPN commentators. Or YES Network commentators, for that matter.
    I didn’t see him pitch in either game, but that there’s no mention of his routine in any of the Boston papers makes me think he’s fine right now. That and his velocity was as good as it’s been at any time this year, and the results are finally more akin to what we thought we were getting when the deal went down. Could be wrong, as the body language sounds a little odd…but it could also be an attempt on his part to slow the game down and take his time between pitches. Or something. Could be lots of stuff, methinks.
    Hopefully Oki gets the next couple days off. Maybe an appearance tomorrow or something. That happens and we see whether Gagne’s someone Tito can/should trust in the postseason; I’m thinking MDC is going to get more action, too. He’s been a streaky reliever this year, going through one or two extended strong stretches but a couple of rough patches, too. If he gets hot now he could be a big factor in October.

    Josh SF (D1) September 17, 2007, 11:01 am
  • andrew: it might have effected mariano, if that did happen. (why would villone make it up? …aside from the moment of being relevant that telling the story would give him.)
    mo walked 2 guys (he had only given up 8 walks all season) and hit a guy. could be.
    but he wasn’t making excuses, and didn’t even bring it up, as far as i can tell.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 11:02 am
  • ih yf: i have to keep reminding myself that manny wasn’t in the lineup. that tends to keep my feet on the ground as i look ahead.
    still. great series.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 11:03 am
  • YFIB: Agreed. And Youkilis too was a big subtraction from Boston’s line-up, but both of them were in the lineups for most of the previous 9 head-to-head games in which the Yankees went 7-2.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 11:09 am
  • I agree, IH, that YFs should feel very optimistic, particularly as compared with early this season (duh). As an SF, I was encouraged by this series, as well. Last month’s set in the Bronx, the Sox seemed incapable of scoring runs or getting timely pitching performances. I was really discouraged about the Sox’ chances if the teams met up in October. The Sox played much better this series — beat up Pettitte, Wang and Rivera, and got gutty-to-great pitching from all three starters — and were about as close to a sweep as you can get while still losing two of three. So this weekend may have the strange effect of encouraging both Sox AND Yanks fans about their teams’ chances in an October rematch. Gotta love baseball.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 11:11 am
  • thanks, ih yf. i needed that.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 11:11 am
  • I’d point out that of those 7 wins, 4 were decided by a single run, and a fifth was a 2-run game. A win’s a win, I guess, but these were hardly decisive victories; based solely on the last 9 games, I still wouldn’t put any money on either team.
    Accuse me of spin if you like, but I’d say the same were the shoe on the other foot. Or at least, I’d accept without any argument a Yankee fan stating a similar case.

    Josh SF (D1) September 17, 2007, 11:16 am
  • Josh: True, but winning the close games is more impressive to me than the blowouts, which I pretty much take to be anomalies regardless of who comes out on top in them.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 11:20 am
  • I’m with you Josh, maybe it’s why this weekend didn’t bother me. Yes, the Yankees took two out of three, but the Red Sox convincingly controlled two of them almost completely, with one inning of totally unexplained meltdown from the Red Sox bullpen being the difference in the first one. Then the third game really could have gone either way.
    It just doesn’t concern me.

    Anonymous September 17, 2007, 11:21 am
  • josh: i’m encouraged because the yankees had struggled in close games for a huge portion of the season. the one run wins are the kind of games you’d need to be able to pull out in a short series.
    but yes. i agree that i will not feel safe whenever these two teams meet. not if the yankees were up by 8 in the ninth.
    on a related note, i almost dropped a deuce when ortiz dug in last night.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 11:23 am
  • Winning close games is, to me, more anomalous then a one-sided slugfest. A beatdown is a beatdown; a one-run ballgame usually involves at least a handful of well-struck liners that would have made things look a whole lot different had they not found a mitt. More related to luck, IMHO; comebacks like Friday night’s do carry a little more weight to me, but in general…not much.
    Interesting that Boston now has a sub-.500 record in 1-run ballgames despite–over the course of the season–the best bullpen in the league. Kinda goes against conventional wisdom there, doesn’t it? I read a little while ago on BaseballMusings (I think) that Boston’s underperformed their runs-scored projections based on SLG and OBP and the like; I’m thinking that has a lot to do with it.

    Josh SF (D1) September 17, 2007, 11:24 am
  • You’re right about one thing Josh, a win is a win whether it’s by one run or ten. Is sweeping a series, all one run games, more decisive than say a ten run win followed by a loss?
    I don’t believe decisiveness really exists in baseball other than series wins because you always play again tomorrow. Unless of course your series win consists of two of three blowouts?? Now I’m confused!
    Bottom line, wins are wins in the standings.

    krueg September 17, 2007, 11:24 am
  • “were about as close to a sweep as you can get while still losing two of three”
    Paul, by this rationale, the Devil Rays should feel great about facing the Red Sox after their last series.
    But OK, I get your point. I think we are both feeling pretty confident about our teams right now.
    I really object to the “Sox sent Yankees a message” stuff from last night though and even the “Sox beat up Rivera”. I think you are really reaching.
    Rivera converted two saves, one of them apparently after getting hit in the elbow. I’ll take such beatings any day.
    And if the message from last night is that the Sox will put up a good fight, but in the end will lose, I’ll take the message any day as well.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 11:25 am
  • Oh I don’t blame any YF for being encouraged by the last 9, I just don’t blame SF’s for taking some solace in what I just said, either. There’s plenty of reason for optimism to abound in a short series for either team.
    Krueg: My point is basically that in just about every 1-2 run game you see, there’s a ball like the one Tek hit early in yesterday’s game that Minky gloved to save at least a pair of runs. This has nothing to do with “clutch,” or “making your pitches,” to me; just pure, dumb luck.
    But like I said yesterday, I don’t think our clubs meet in the ALCS. Either Cleveland or LAA pulls off the upset against one of our teams. I’m calling it now.

    Josh SF (D1) September 17, 2007, 11:27 am
  • Well, when Boston won against the Yanks earlier in the season, it was also by a run or two.. so go figure.

    Lar September 17, 2007, 11:28 am
  • “Paul, by this rationale, the Devil Rays should feel great about facing the Red Sox after their last series.”
    I sort of think they should. They’ve got the makings of a very solid ballclub, if they can manage to scrape together something resembling a bullpen. Shields and Kazmir were very good all season long and will probably continue to improve; Andy Sonnanstine turned it up in recent weeks and might yet turn into a capable #3. I readily admit that those two wins were basically flukey…
    Yeah, I’m aware, Lar. No coincidence there. Point was just that over the course of the season everything was absurdly fricken close, beginning to end.

    Josh SF (D1) September 17, 2007, 11:30 am
  • i understand the close games vs. blowouts views expressed above, but when you face good pitching (like that you will probably find in a playoff series), i imagine that feeling like your team can scrape a run or two in a squeaker can’t hurt.
    no lineup can go out and score 8 runs every single game. not even a lineup like the yankees or red sox.
    the sub-.500 stat for the sox surprises me.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 11:33 am
  • I honestly don’t see how this discourages or encourages anyone about anything for a future series. Bottom line: these teams are closely matched, so who knows what’s going to happen in a would-be match down the road. And with Cleveland, the Angels, and (for the Yanks, Detroit) still in the way, the idea that such a matchup is a foregone conclusion—or even statistically likely, is pretty ridiculous. The difference in ability between those teams is marginal. Mix them up in a couple of short series, and who knows what happens.
    As SF wrote yesterday, the idea that anyone is “in anyone else’s head” after this series, I think, is bullcrap useful only to b-level broadcasters and journalists.

    YF September 17, 2007, 11:34 am
  • Although utterly meaningless, here are the run totals for the regular season series between our two teams…
    Red Sox: 99
    Yankees: 93
    Just a fun fact and somebody might want to check my math, but I’m pretty sure it’s right.

    LocklandSF September 17, 2007, 11:43 am
  • YF, I honestly can’t see how you CAN’T be encouraged by winning 9 of the last 12 games against the team witht he ebst record in baseball.
    No one is arguing that this means the Yankees will take the ALCS or that they will even get there. But come on. Are you seriously arguing that the Yankees now should feel the same as they would if theyhad gone 3-9 vs. Boston, as Boston has now against NY??

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 11:47 am
  • I say we’re as encouraged with this record as discouraged with our record against those damn Angels. It’s the reason I prefer (rationally or not) we don’t face them in the playoffs, and on some level the Sox (fans, if not players) must feel the same way..

    Lar September 17, 2007, 11:51 am
  • That’s a red herring, IH. Boston has played the last 2 series sans Manny. I feel like if the two teams play in October, it will (probably) be a close, amazing series. I don’t know what “encouraged” means. The Yanks have been playing solid ball since the break.

    YF September 17, 2007, 11:54 am
  • I agree Lar, but can’t get any SF to acknowledge that here (let alone some YFs). Of course if this were a Yankees-Angels sight I would probably keep my guard up too, but regardless of what anyone says here, I believe the players with the 9-3 recent head-to-head record feel an edge, and they should. Just like the D%*N Angels probably feel an edge vs. us.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 11:54 am
  • YF, Manny played in the first game of the last series. So fine, in the past 4 series and taking only the games in which Manny played, they are 5-2. Whatever – we clearly will not agree on this point. I just don’t think that a team has as much confidence going against a team they have lost 9 out of the last 12 games to than they do against a team they have won 9 out of 12 games to. And yes, I think being confident – we’ve done this before, we’ve matched and beaten their best, etc. etc. does count for something. Players talk about having mental edges all the time. You are acting like I am assuming Yankee victories in the future. I am not. But I find this line of argument kind of bizarre.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 12:00 pm
  • IH, I’ve said repeatedly that I do NOT want to face the Yankees in the playoffs, that i’d much rather face the Indians or Angels or, better yet, the Tigers in the first round.
    That said, this series showed me the Sox can win games from the Yanks. The games, as Josh said, were lost by an improbable meltdown and luck, for all intents and purposes, unlike the previous series, where the Sox didn’t play good ball and had me thinking they just weren’t goint to be able to beat the Yankees. Now I think they can, so I feel better.
    But I’d still rather face anyone else.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 12:01 pm
  • Paul – fair enough. You did say that and I overlooked it. And I would rather face anyone but LA, though for that reason a win over LA would be just a bit sweeter, as I am sure you feel re: NY.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 12:03 pm
  • Yeah, IH. I felt more strongly that way in 2004 — where a win over NY felt pretty necessary to exorcise all those demons. We’ve done it once now, and once is good enough for me. ;-)

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 12:11 pm
  • To that end, Yankee fans couldn’t have more reason to root for Cleveland these next 3 days – if Cleveland can win these games they would help push Detroit back in the WC race AND keep hope alive that, should NY get the WC, it won’t be LA wthey have to play. Of course, Detroit is fielding Rogers, Verlander, and TBD vs. Byrd, Westbrook, and Sabathia. Edge to Detroit regardless of who TBD is in my view.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 12:28 pm
  • “I don’t know what “encouraged” means.”
    encouraged – 1.inspired with hope, courage, or confidence; heartened…
    9 of the last 12 does that for me. I’m with IH – that doesn’t mean that I assume a win in the future; only that I like the matchup for the first time in a few seasons.
    “an improbable meltdown”
    that applies to Paplebon, but here’s Okajima’s line against NYY this year:
    9.2IP 8.38ERA 12H 9ER 2HR 6BB(1 int) 9SO

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:35 pm
  • Point is, how improbable was Okajima’s meltdown, given the way he’s pitched lately?

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:53 pm
  • Highly probable, Andrews, you’re right. Okajima has performed worse against the Yankes each time out.
    What was improbable was Francona’s butchering of the bullpen management, and Papelbon was responsible for the bulk of that meltdown, allowing two inhereted runners and two of his own to score.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 12:56 pm
  • agreed

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:58 pm
  • Detroit losses move the Yankees closer to clinching the Wild Card, but they also hasten the day when the Sox clinch a playoff berth. Not sure whether I’d rather have the Tigers win or lose right now.

    Ron Newman September 17, 2007, 1:07 pm
  • Ron: Do you have any doubt that Boston will clinch? To me, even if the rather inevitable is delayed, I doubt it will be delayed beyond the very last few days of the season, whch should still allow Boston time to align their rotation as they want. I think I have just assumed Boston will get it and so am focused only on a. Detroit relative to the Yankees and b. Cleveland and LAA relative to each other.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 1:10 pm
  • RN, the indians are 2.5 games behind the red sox for the best record in baseball. so, if you’re like me, you’re hoping that the tigers lose the next three while the sox (heh) get swept by toronto, then both match each other until the schedule runs out.
    then the yankees get the indians, and the sox get the angels… if the yanks hold off the tigers, that is.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 1:19 pm
  • …i think… right?

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • YFiB: Yes, but only if, while Cleveland is pushing Boston for best record, LA doesn’t catch up to get a better record than Cleveland, which is what I assume you meant anyway. Lots of ifs, but that’s the fun of late September, right?

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 1:43 pm
  • i just saw that the angels have the same exact record as the indians.
    looks like i’ll be chugging some milk o’ magnesia for the next few weeks…

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 1:45 pm
  • Never thought I’d be rooting for the Angels, but I think they have the best shot of knocking the Yankees out of a five-game series.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • …which is why i’m guessing most YFs are pulling for the indians.

    Yankee Fan In Boston September 17, 2007, 2:04 pm
  • YFIB, I couldn’t agree more. When I close my eyes I can still see Sheffield and Crosby colliding into one another in the OF. Please no Angels.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 17, 2007, 2:05 pm
  • Josh: I was more messing with you than anything. We won the season series, you guys are still the #1 seed. A consolation prize, albeit a good one for us Yankee fans…
    I for one, don’t care who we play in the first round. If it’s the Angels, good. We have to beat them sometime and if we can’t then we aren’t a championship caliber team. I say bring on the Angels in the ALDS and the Sox in the ALCS…that would be a satisfying run to me! (of course assuming the “good” Yankees show up the rest of the season and postseason, not the April/May “bad” Yankees)

    krueg September 17, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • >>>[ARod] just looks like an assassin, with the white gloves and the shiny black bat and gleaming helmet.
    Assassin? I’d say more like a member of a dorky presidential color guard for some former Eastern Bloc nation.

    Hudson September 17, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • “I’d say more like a member of a dorky presidential color guard for some former Eastern Bloc nation.”
    Please bring that on a sign to Yanks Stadium and see if A-Rod doesn’t go all Eastern Bloc on your ass!:)

    Nick-YF September 17, 2007, 3:29 pm
  • This East German judge gives A-Rod a ten.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 3:35 pm
  • Two quick comments:
    1. As a YF myself, I don’t find Duncan’s autograph funny at all… “Go Yankees” might’ve been funny but not what he wrote. I know he’s young and having fun but I didn’t like that.
    2. Does anyone think that the guy at Saturday’s game sitting behind home plate wearing a MONTREAL EXPOS hat should’ve been ejected? What, does he think he’s Switzerland or something? It made me mad that he was there and I was not.

    Chris September 17, 2007, 4:20 pm
  • Or, the guy who owns Giant Glass, who is ALWAYS behind home plate, bringing the two Yankee fans with him.
    I actually like the old school Montreal hat. I’d wear it.

    Brad September 17, 2007, 4:56 pm
  • Old-school Expos and old-school Brewers hats = Cool.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 5:13 pm
  • What is an old-school Brewers hat? Do you mean from the 1901 team?

    Ron Newman September 17, 2007, 5:46 pm
  • No, the MB in the shape of a glove. So awesome.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 5:50 pm
  • Incidetnally, that’s one extraordinarily diverse crowd out there at Fenway…

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • Yup, looks like you’ve got Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Scottish Americans, probably some German, French, looks like some Hispanic.
    Lot of countries represented there, for sure.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 6:00 pm
  • Yes, so many shades of white, it’s hard to see any two that are EXACTLY the same…

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 6:03 pm
  • I share your concern about this growing trend in baseball, IH. I assume that was your point, as I can’t fathom any other relevance…

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 6:29 pm
  • Yes Paul…fandom in every park I have been to is almost uniformly racially homogenous though with some economic class diversity and the players from overseas bringing in some nationalistic cheer-groups. On the latter, it is moreso the east Asian than the Latino and Hispanic fans I see even though the latter are much more represented on major league rosters. And all this even though baseball remains the most affordable of the pro sports. I prefer diverse crowds, but most ballparks’ crowds simply are not.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 6:33 pm

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