Tempers in Toronto

Last month the Jays visited Yankee Stadium, and it seemed like the A-Rod “Ha” incident was dead and burried. The Jays claimed Alex’s play was bush, and appeared to take the high road. Apparently they were just waiting for the Yanks to return to Toronto. Monday, Jesse Litsch threw at Alex, but missed, the ball going behind him. Alex glared but took it; fair enough. That should have been the end of it. The benches were warned, so the Yanks couldn’t retaliate, though there was some chippy baserunning. Then, last night, with a base open, Josh Towers popped Alex below the knee with a fastball. Now Alex is upset. The benches clear twice. No ejections yet, but more chippy baserunning and the benches warned. Cut ahead a few innings, and Roger retaliates against Alex Rios, the Jays top player, with a fastball to the upper back. Roger and Torre are ejected, by rule. Roger, who surprisingly only has 4 career ejections, has words with the ump, no doubt to the effect that the Yanks were getting screwed by the various warnings, which precluded Yankee retaliation but offered no punishment to the Jays. Hopefully the unpleasantness is over, now, but bad blood has a way of lingering. Most disturbing for the Yanks is the prospect that Alex is sidelined with a sore knee and Roger is stuck with a suspension. And all of this overshadowed another fine game from the Yankees, the debut of Joba Chamberlain, and continued strong play from el duo. Today we get the marquee matchup of this series: Wang vs. Halladay. I’d rather not see it marred by more garbage.

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  • Waaaaah.
    Boys will be boys, particularly pinheaded boys. A-Rod should have been plunked weeks ago, frankly, right on the tuchus, for his “frowned upon in Little League” crap.

    SF August 8, 2007, 10:33 am
  • “A-Rod should have been plunked weeks ago, frankly, right on the tuchus”
    Granted, but hitting someone right above the knee crosses a line – a lot more dangerous.

    Andrews August 8, 2007, 11:08 am
  • For what length of time does a team get to keep the ledger open on when they expect to collect their pound of flesh for whatever perceived wrong transpired in these “baseball justice” situations?

    attackgerbil August 8, 2007, 11:20 am
  • Some of the older fans might remember this more clearly than I, but didn’t Dennis Eckersley wait a full two seasons to exact revenge on an opposing batter who moved from the AL to the NL, then back to the AL. If any of you remember the exact circumstances of this, please let me know.

    LocklandSF August 8, 2007, 11:25 am
  • Jose Mesa has spent a decade exacting revenge on Omar Vizquel after Vizquel’s disparaging comments in a book. It borders on stalking.

    Nick-YF August 8, 2007, 11:28 am
  • “It was Tony Peña running his mouth,” Towers said. “I was like: What is this guy running his mouth for? This dude is a quitter. He managed a team and quit in the middle of the season because he couldn’t hack it. He’s going to run his mouth to me?”
    First off Josh, you are about to be cut or sent down once A.J. is healthy so stop chirping. Secondly you should only wish you have the career Tony Pena had.
    The whole thing is dumb. Do I agree with what A-Rod did, no. Did he deserve to be thrown at, sure. But not twice and not in the knee. The biggest culprit was Clemens, he should have never hit Rios. All these years of the Yankees getting hit and now the Yankee pitchers decide to retaliate? Rocket was cruising, he put the Yankees in a bad spot and even worse could have cost the team the game. Alex doesn’t need help, he got hit because he did something dumb, let it go. We are 5 games back and .5 game in the WC, we have bigger fish to fry.

    Triskaidekaphobia August 8, 2007, 12:45 pm
  • Waiting a full season is hardcore.
    Waiting out a series in the Bronx because you’re chickensh1t, and doing it in Toronto is just plain weak.

    Matt August 8, 2007, 12:45 pm
  • Clemens not only put the game at risk, he was also risking a potential suspension which would certainly put more than one game at risk.

    LocklandSF August 8, 2007, 1:19 pm
  • If Josh Towers hit A-Rod in the elbow, could he have used the old “I don’t know my ass from my elbow” excuse?

    SF August 8, 2007, 1:29 pm
  • Lockland, Clemens put the game at risk how? They were up 7-0 in the 7th and he was on the verge of being lifted anyway. As for a future suspension, these are essentially pointless for SPs anyway. He will simple appeal it and serve it at a time when the rotation can pitch around him leaving a start pushed back a day or two. The ole man can use the extra rest anyway.
    The Jays couldnt have been surprised by Rios getting beaned. They threw at ARod twice in 2 games and hit him on the knee. Standard baseball, any team would have retaliated in the same manner.

    sam YF August 8, 2007, 1:40 pm
  • I don’t endorse hitting guys, but the Yanks had a fairly big late-inning lead when Rocket hit Rios, and putting Rios on base is not the worst thing in the world that could happen anyway, though free baserunners is never a good idea. Roger played it old school, taking down Toronto’s best player after Toronto had gone at the Yanks. The “warning” system is kind of preposterous, and as the reigning greatest pitcher alive he maybe gets a little extra leeway here. I don’t think he’s done the team any great disservice.

    YF August 8, 2007, 1:44 pm
  • “Standard baseball, any team would have retaliated in the same manner.”
    Unless said team is the Mets, they had their best player have a bat chucked at him, and Mike Hampton is on the mound.

    SF August 8, 2007, 1:48 pm
  • PS: What Sam said. In the wake of this whole Barry thing, do you really think Bud wants to sit Roger for more than 5 games for playing “by the book”?

    YF August 8, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • It’s not Bud, isn’t it Bob Watson, embedded Yankee? He ain’t suspending Roger for very long, it’s not in his heart.

    SF August 8, 2007, 2:26 pm
  • Brower and Joba gives up 7 in the next couple at bats and you’re all singing a different tune. We have all seen it happen, as rare as it is. I’m not saying it was a huge risk, just a risk.
    I realize Clemens might get some wiggle room with these things, but you also don’t know when Selig is going to get tired of his hands being tied with the Barry thing and decide to make an example out of a situation he can enforce.
    Again, all long shots, but risks just the same.

    LocklandSF August 8, 2007, 2:28 pm
  • Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Roger Clemens does not live in a house of fear or equivocation! He’s the Rocket!

    YF August 8, 2007, 2:34 pm
  • Ha! if brower and Joba give up 7 you could hardly blame it on a hit batter 12 ABs earlier.

    sam YF August 8, 2007, 2:52 pm
  • I think we should get Josh Beckett’s thoughts on this matter.

    Nate August 8, 2007, 2:54 pm
  • I say kill’em all and let the lord baby Jesus sort them out.
    You want to borrow my bow?

    Josh Beckett August 8, 2007, 4:00 pm
  • 1. The BJs should have exacted their revenge during the last series in Toronto. Instead, they waited until they’re further out of playoff contention to do it. Classy.
    2. They BJs sent their message by throwing behind A-Rod in the first game of the series. That should have been the end of it. Just because you missed the guy, doesn’t mean you keep throwing at him until you actually hit him, especially when the wrong that they were trying to right was a non-contact event. What the BJs did just shows that they were trying to hurt the guy. After the Mike Piazza incident in the WS, the mets threw behind Clemens the first time he came up to bat against the Mets during the next season. They didn’t keep throwing at him until they made contact because that was enough, even though Clemens had beaned Piazza in the head during the regular season and then threw a broken bat at him in the WS.
    3. I think they should change the rule so that a warning given during a game between 2 teams should last for the entire series as things can build up over the course of a few games. Towers and Gibbons should have been thrown out last night. If they had been , I’m not sure Rios gets hit in the 7th.
    4. All this just shows that the BJs are the ones who are “bush league,” especially Gibbons–the manager who deals with his players by challenging them to fist fights. Towers is probably too ignorant to even realize that Tony Pena was an incredible catcher in his day and played for some pretty accomplished teams. So, his managerial gig at KS didn’t pan out. BFD!

    Reggie!Bar August 8, 2007, 4:04 pm
  • You know, say whatever you want, but I really don’t think Josh Towers is doing himself any favors by running his mouth about Tony Pena. There are a lot of hispanic players in the game these days–including his kid–and I’m really not sure it’s the most politically astute move to start slandering one of the few latin guys who’s made it to the managerial level, and even won an moy award. i’m guessing that’s not going to sit well with a lot of folks who thing pena’s a good guy, regardless of his ability/tenure w/ kc.

    YF August 8, 2007, 4:13 pm
  • Don’t cross the street! There might be a risk you get hit by a car!
    Seems a bit much though. If you’re going to bitch about a Bush League play, aren’t you suppose to take the high road? Good job though.

    Lar August 8, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • All this just shows that the BJs are the ones who are “bush league”
    Let’s do the math:
    Lame-ass baserunning trick + late beanball after warnings were given = not bush league
    Ball thrown behind player then ball thrown at lower leg = bush league.
    Somehow this doesn’t make sense to me. Seems like both teams have players who do things that could be considered bush league, it’s all a matter of timing. So according to this math whoever did the last bush league thing is the bush league team, immunizing the initial offender. That’s ridiculous. We have to accept, as fans, that many of these ballplayers are macho pinheads. It’s truly hard to say that one whole “team” is bush league, the other not.

    SF August 8, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • I think we need to start up a bush league All Star team.

    NeffSox August 8, 2007, 4:21 pm
  • Uh, what, YF?! Honestly, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Did Towers say anything about ethnicity? Is the quote above the complete statement? Did I miss something? If any player uses that as a crutch on which to lean in order to go after Towers that’s truly pathetic, not understandable, and not justified based on what was posted above. If they want to go after him for being stupid, that’s fine.
    As for being “politically astute”, that term and “baseball players” have probably never shown up in the same sentence. Ever.

    SF August 8, 2007, 4:22 pm
  • This is all a bunch of nonsense, all over a pop up that should have been called regardless if Alex was blowing an air horn instead of saying “Ha.”
    Farnsworth has cleared waivers. This means he can be traded to any team. With 2 years left on his contract let’s please hope and pray someone bites!!!

    Anonymous August 8, 2007, 4:33 pm
  • That was me.

    Triskaidekaphobia August 8, 2007, 4:34 pm
  • The pride of Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College, now on the block. He can really mow ’em down! Any takers?

    YF August 8, 2007, 5:05 pm
  • Where on earth did Hispanics come from in this conversation? I doubt Towers thought, “Gee. This guy’s a minority. I better watch my mouth.” The fact that he presumably didn’t I would say is a good sign.
    Seeing as we’re discussing this anyway, should players be hypersensitive toward the race of their opponents under the guise of “political astuteness” before saying anything for or against them? I just can’t see the logic there.

    Paul SF August 8, 2007, 5:11 pm
  • I was hoping Farns would’ve came into good use yesterday.. when the bench cleared! (Kidding!)

    Lar August 8, 2007, 6:17 pm
  • Farnsworth for Tavarez, right now!

    SF August 8, 2007, 6:40 pm
  • >>>For what length of time does a team get to keep the ledger open on when they expect to collect their pound of flesh for whatever perceived wrong transpired in these “baseball justice” situations?
    Under this view the Hatfields will be plunking the McCoys to keep the rivalry going.
    I think that he shold have been plunked in Ny (if that was going to be the approach), I also think this was of the chicken defacaction flavor.

    Rob August 8, 2007, 6:50 pm
  • > I doubt Towers thought
    Consider what he said, that sums it up pretty well.

    attackgerbil August 8, 2007, 6:51 pm

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