The Franchise, On Line

You’ve probably noted a new member to the family of Yankee bloggers this season: Phil Hughes. If the first few posts are any indication, it should be an interesting window into the experience of a young ballplayer learning his craft, and free of the pontification we’ve come to associate with the blog of another pitcher familiar around these parts.

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  • whats with all the contests? maybe hughes should be a game show host or something.

    Ric February 26, 2008, 10:13 am
  • Ah, so contests and notifications that YES is filming Phil along with a crappy locker picture. Really enlightening stuff, YF.

    SF February 26, 2008, 12:09 pm
  • The site is bare bones, but I check it daily in the hopes that Phil will give me something I didn’t know. So far, ehhhh. But at least the kid is trying.

    John - YF February 26, 2008, 12:23 pm
  • Seriously, I’d rather have the kid connect with fans through contests and silly stuff (phone pic of Moose’s interior decorating) than have him blather on for 5000 word entries.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 12:37 pm
  • I don’t have any issue with the blog. I think it’s kind of fun for a player to engage like this. But it’s not either/or. Curt’s blog is a pretty darn amazing effort, like him or not. The direct commentary he offers is good for us fans and for us bloggers. It’s material, and interesting (if longwinded) material at that.
    Phil should keep doing this, but what YF described (“an interesting window”) didn’t pan out, at all, when I clicked through. There’s really nothing interesting at all there. Yet. We should hope it does get interesting, it would be great to have access to a young pitcher and his learning. But as of now, there’s no there there.

    SF February 26, 2008, 12:46 pm
  • That’s pretty snide stuff SF. I wouldn’t always want us judged on what’s currently up on our home page. Hit the previous posts link on the bottom of his page and you’ll see a demonstration of his “vulcan” change-up grip, and plenty of other material that gives a peek into his life, and this comment about arriving for early workouts is interesting, ” I threw my first bullpen today and I’m happy with where my arm strength is at this point of the spring. I feel like being in Tampa early and throwing some sides before really helped.” Not groundbreaking, no. But it’s unmediated commentary, which is unusual, and the fact that it’s so focussed on the quotidian, rather than “issues,” makes it all the more enjoyable. So scoff all you want. Your loss.

    YF February 26, 2008, 12:50 pm
  • Note: I didn’t see SFs 12:46 comment before I posted mine at 12:50. But the point stands. To say there’s “nothing interesting” there, I think, is not true, or at least it’s a matter of perspective. I think there is valuable material there, even if it’s not front-page news.

    YF February 26, 2008, 12:54 pm
  • Oh, please, YF. Spare me. The website could be (and I hope it turns out to be) a resource for us fans. But when you play it off against Curt’s site (in a, um, pretty snide way, to use your own words) you invited the critique. That’s a hit and run job, and you probably know it.
    Like I said above, I hope that this site turns into a resource, but right now it isn’t much of one. Your represenation of his site raised my expectations, which weren’t met.

    SF February 26, 2008, 12:55 pm
  • And I didn’t see the 12:54 when I cross-posted the 12:55. So I’ll just leave it at:
    This could be a really cool thing, but right now it’s not quite there. I don’t see much objectionable in that critique.

    SF February 26, 2008, 12:56 pm
  • I guess it depends on what you call interesting. Phil posts his IPod playlist, notes on some conversations with the vets and IPK and so on. It’s definitely not as insightful as 38pitches or our site for that matter, but I don’t think that’s his goal. I think Phil is treating this more like a glorified MySpace. Also one thing to take into consideration, at least for now, is that Phil is not only working out with the team, but working out with AP on a daily basis (Insert HGH joke here). So his window of time to blog is probably pretty small.

    John - YF February 26, 2008, 12:56 pm
  • “I think Phil is treating this more like a glorified MySpace”
    I wonder if I had offered that comment what kind of ire would have been directed my way…

    SF February 26, 2008, 1:00 pm
  • Look, try to tack around the issue all you wish, but there is stuff there that some of us find compelling, and you dismissed it. I think to expect it to be “Ball Four” is a bit ridiculous. If you don’t find it interesting, don’t read it, that’s your business, no problem.

    YF February 26, 2008, 1:23 pm
  • Tyler Kepner has a piece on Phil’s blog in the times today.
    “General Manager Brian Cashman said he had concerns about players maintaining Web sites that could embarrass the team. Cashman added that he would rather not have players breaking news; Curt Schilling of the Red Sox has done that on his blog,” -TK
    “But for now, Cashman has no reason to worry. Hughes says he has no plans to detail each start, the way Schilling does, and the only news he broke was his change in uniform number (to 34 from 65), which he revealed this month.” -TK
    “Fans get enough baseball information from you guys; that’s your job,” Hughes said, referring to the news media. “I don’t try to do any of that. I want them to feel they have a connection with me. That’s kind of the main idea.” – PH

    John - YF February 26, 2008, 1:28 pm
  • i foresee a couple 15 day stints of uninterrupted blogging followed by a 60 day extended blog.

    sf rod February 26, 2008, 1:58 pm
  • I understand that blogs can and will come in all shapes and sizes. The difference between the two we see now is that one is an exercise in giving back to the fans. The other is a self-indulgence fit for an egotistical blowhard. Phil is doing stuff that no writer could nor would ever convey for him. Schilling contributes stuff as if every day is a two-hour news conference focused on him where all of the writers walked away at the ten minute mark.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 2:24 pm
  • Speaking of Phil, Baseball America says the Yanks have the best rated pitching prospect in the game – again.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 2:30 pm
  • Phil is doing stuff that no writer could nor would ever convey for him.
    Is this not what Curt’s blog does, as well? The fact that his blog posts get quoted in the press seems indicative of the fact that his blog actually gets fans relevant news quicker than the reporters do, and it seems the fans appreciate it, based on the comments. Sorry, but I don’t see much of a case for trashing his blog except that you clearly don’t like him personally. The idea that Hughes’ blog is somehow better or purer because his is not an exercise in “self-indulgence” is laughable. The very essence of a blog is self-indulgence.
    Also, since we’re on the topic of young kids writing blogs, Justin Masterson and Jed Lowrie are journaling their ST experiences on the Globe’s Web site.

    Paul SF February 26, 2008, 2:57 pm
  • Like I said, Schilling holds the equivalent of a two hour news conference where maybe ten minutes is news worthy. Dude loves to hear his own voice. Is that really debatable at this point? Sheesh, you’d think he had fans or something.
    And no, I don’t see how giving away game-used balls, autographs, and team-issued gear is “self-indulgent”.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 3:08 pm
  • This isn’t an either/or. Schilling’s blog is a pretty remarkable thing, like him or not. I don’t see why Schilling’s egotism (which inarguably exists) negates the value of his blog. Conversely, Hughes’ “sincerity” doesn’t necessarily create value. They should be judged on their content, their style, and their utility, all of these are always subjective.
    I think we as fans are better off with Curt blogging. I think we will probably be better off with Hughes’ blogging, in the end, even if currently I find it a bit (not my term) “Myspace-ish”.

    SF February 26, 2008, 3:22 pm
  • See, and I think Schilling’s blog is the exact opposite of “remarkable”. He’s doing absolutely nothing to connect with fans. It’s a complete and utter exercise in verbal diarrhea. And from him, that’s not surprising in the least.
    By contrast, Hughes may be giving the MySpace version of a blog but folks are walking away with at least a connection to the player, and some with a physical embodiment of him. Dude gave away a game used baseball from a playoff game. That, to me, says everything about why he’s doing it.
    Player blogs will no doubt come in all shapes and sizes. These are just two, very divergent data points.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 3:31 pm
  • He’s doing absolutely nothing to connect with fans.
    Other than talking directly to them, answering their comments in semiregular Q&As, and giving them news and information before they can get it anywhere else, you mean?

    Paul SF February 26, 2008, 3:35 pm
  • Uh, it’s all (and I mean every last word) in service of his outsized ego. Are we really debating that point? You really think Curt Schilling cares two shakes about you?

    A YF February 26, 2008, 3:41 pm
  • Here’s another quote from Kepner:
    “The fans are very important to me,” Hughes said. “Without them, I wouldn’t have a job, basically. I try to give back as much as I can. It’s almost a no-brainer.”

    A YF February 26, 2008, 3:46 pm
  • sweet! i’m in phil’s top 8, right after marty miller.
    current mood: fragile

    sf rod February 26, 2008, 3:58 pm
  • You really think Curt Schilling cares two shakes about you?
    Do you think Phil Hughes gives two rips about you?
    The question isn’t whether Schilling has an ego. It’s why you assume Hughes’ blog is somehow better than Schilling’s, even though they’re both talking to the fans, albeit in different ways. You argue Schilling’s blog is all about his ego, while Hughes’ is all about the fans. Despite the fact that you’re assuming the best about a player you clearly don’t like and assuming the best about a player you do, I’m curious even still how it makes the end product of one any better than the other.

    Paul SF February 26, 2008, 3:59 pm
  • I judge behaviors when judging anyone. Schilling’s had a career for over twenty years. The next time he gives away a game used ball will be the first.
    Hughes seems to delight in exactly that.
    Yeah, I’ll say there’s a difference.
    Meanwhile, does anyone here really like Schilling?

    A YF February 26, 2008, 4:07 pm
  • Do I care that Schilling engaged in a Q&A with this blog, spent time answering our questions thoughtfully (we even BROKE the news that Curt would be coming back in 2008), actually came by this site and spontaneously joined the comments (back in 2005) in a thread devoted to his acquisition from Arizon, just because he might have been motivated by ego? No, I don’t. I was grateful that a player would take the time, regardless of motivation, to interact with fans, to give us honest answers to our questions and to tell is what was on his mind. This kind of access is, yes, REMARKABLE.

    SF February 26, 2008, 4:22 pm
  • I judge behaviors when judging anyone. Schilling’s had a career for over twenty years. The next time he gives away a game used ball will be the first.
    And you know this how?
    I imagine all that charity work, that time and money, that Curt has done is all hollow, just in the service of ego. It doesn’t fit your narrative, so it gets ignored or dismissed, I imagine. Feel free to correct me on this one.

    SF February 26, 2008, 4:25 pm
  • To you, it’s remarkable. Shilling would be talking even if no one was reading or listening. He could care less. It’s all about him. I’m really surprised I’m getting this much resistance. I thought this understanding of him was a given at this point.
    How long has he been blogging? Has he ever given anything away? Ever?

    A YF February 26, 2008, 4:40 pm
  • > does anyone here really like Schilling?
    Curt Schilling has never said or done anything that would foster in me a rational “dislike” for a person that I have never met. He has said things I don’t agree with, sometimes to a substantial degree, but that isn’t reason enough for inherent “dislike.” He has displayed an acute foresight and understanding of technology and media trends, leveraging that knowledge to provide a (at its inception unique) venue for his charitable interests, opinions, and occupation that I find fascinating and wholly worthwhile. I certainly have an _irrational_ dislike for him due to the suffering he has caused me as a Yankees fan, but that is my mental flaw as I’m sure my SF friends would be glad to remind me.
    It is a microscopic chance that I will ever have a conversation or direct interaction with Curt Schilling the person/father/humanitarian of enough substance that will allow me to answer your question fairly and accurately. However, I think his choice to make himself publicly available in the form of his blog is laudable, and regardless of the fact that we have what I would call substantial differences of opinion on political issues, I would guess that I would really like the guy as a person. It’s just a guess and doesn’t really mean a thing. To echo SF’s earlier comment, I was thrilled when he took the time to chime in on topics of direct relevance here, and impressed with the professional and candid matter in which he did so.

    attackgerbil February 26, 2008, 4:45 pm
  • This is a truly ridiculous argument. As several here have noted, the two blogs, Schilling’s and Hughes’s, are doing to entirely different things, and should be judged accordingly, on their own merits. My suggestion in the initial post that Schilling has a tendency to pontificate does not mean what he’s doing isn’t interesting or useful. I brought up his blog as a matter of contrast, not to suggest some kind of value or quality comparison. I’m sorry this thread has gone down this direction. Any time we have players interacting directly with the public, I think that’s a good thing. And frankly, after such a tumultuous, unpleasant offseason, I’m grateful for the simple, uncontroversial pleasures of a blog like Hughes’s.

    YF February 26, 2008, 4:51 pm
  • And to get back to the original thrust of the thread, whether it be PH or any other ballplayer, if they want to take the time to write down their experiences and thoughts, good for them. I hope they find their writing experience rewarding. In the mean time, it’s the reader’s option to filter as they see fit, but it is an option that has never been available to The Average Fan before, and it’s always good to have options.

    attackgerbil February 26, 2008, 4:55 pm
  • I’m just surprised. I thought even most Sox fans could see Schilling for what he is. My bad. A topic I know to avoid in the future.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 4:59 pm
  • > entirely different things
    I agree with the general sentiment of your comment, YF, though I do not think this thread has deteriorated so badly. Of course, it is important to consider where these two men are at in their lives as people as well as baseball players while electively ingesting their efforts to express themselves.

    attackgerbil February 26, 2008, 5:18 pm
  • A YF…
    Yes, Schilling is a self righteous blow hard, but he’s OUR self righteous blow hard, and he’s a self riotous blow hard that has…
    Put together one of the best pitching careers in history.
    Donated more time and money to charity than I’m sure any of us have, at least money.
    People may not like him, you might disagree with his opinions on some matters and he might talk to much and enjoy the spotlight too much, but it’s pretty hard to argue that he’s a bad guy, not worthy of admiration on some level.

    Anonymous February 26, 2008, 5:22 pm
  • Oops, that was me.

    LocklandSF February 26, 2008, 5:23 pm
  • I guess I will shoulder the blame for this devolution, my initial snide comment seems to have started this. My apologies.
    That being said, I have no clue how anyone can question whether Curt has ever given anything away, considering his considerable efforts on behalf of ALS and skin cancer. To denigrate him the way A-YF has on that front is atrocious.

    SF February 26, 2008, 5:24 pm
  • No need to apologize SF, you did nothing wrong. It’s a weird dynamic here lately and I guess it can be attributed to lack of actual baseball to talk about. Everything is black or white and usually ends bad. A simple topic like Phil Hughes set up a blog becomes this. I am pretty certain though once we get cracking with some real games all will be back to normal.

    John - YF February 26, 2008, 5:30 pm
  • “atrocious”
    That’s a very strong word. I was specifically referring to the purpose of his blog. I see a chance for him to be exactly what he is – an obnoxious blowhard. A counter-example would be one time, just one, where he’s given something, anything, to one of his readers. I know of none. So the purposes of his blog seem pretty clear to me.
    The contrast with Hughes, to me, couldn’t be more stark. His behaviors on his blog would seem to support the differing interpretations for why each has a blog.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 5:31 pm
  • On strictly baseball terms this statement:
    “Put together one of the best pitching careers in history.”
    takes it way too far.
    He’s carries a career 127 ERA+ and has never won a Cy Young. He’s not that different from Mike Mussina (122 ERA+) actually. And Mussina has spent his entire career in the toughest division in baseball. Still, I, for one, would never say Mussina has one of the “best careers in baseball history” even as he has the much better winning percentage (.636 – 250 W – 144 L vs. .597 – 216 W – 146 L). Both are very good pitchers for their generations. But they’re far, very far, from the best in history.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 5:41 pm
  • > one time, just one, where he’s given something, anything, to one of his readers
    Really? As far as I’m concerned, the fact that Schilling has given an inroad to his experience as a big-league ballplayer in a consistent manner is a pretty clear purpose for/effective use of a blog in a way of having “given something.”
    PH’s generosity with freebies for visitors is great for traffic, not that a stud young starter for any team (especially the Yanks) will have to worry about getting hits if he posts anything with any frequency that resembles regularity. Giving out memorabilia is a great gesture that will build goodwill and many repeat visits but is the functional equivalent of a scratch-off ticket in relevance to charity.

    attackgerbil February 26, 2008, 5:42 pm
  • Fine, I went too far, but the statement it pretty wide open with my inclusion of “one of.”
    I suggest you use google to find out just how much Schilling has “given back.”
    “Over the past 13 years, Schilling has donated and helped raise over 5 million dollars for The ALS Association, which is also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease. The disease is a motor neuron disease with progressive muscular atrophy. Once thought rare, it is now considered fairly common, striking both men and women, generally between the ages of 40 and 75.”
    That’s just one example, there are a TON more.

    LocklandSF February 26, 2008, 5:45 pm
  • Oh, and damn you for putting me in a position where I have to defend that wind bag. It’s fine to be critical of Schilling, but at least be accurate.

    LocklandSF February 26, 2008, 5:48 pm
  • Guys? Three days… just three days! Then we’ll have Spring Training games to talk about. I promise. Just three days.

    soxgirl February 26, 2008, 5:52 pm
  • I’m not going to speak on charity work. I was specifically talking about his blog. There I see no purpose except to gratify his own enormous ego. Talking out of his ass, for 5000 word sessions, is not a gift to his readers.
    For a guy who’s never won a Cy Young, I can’t see how he remotely belongs in a “one of” discussion. He’s been very good at times. But he’s a basically an above average pitcher in an obnoxious blowhard costume.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 5:53 pm
  • > Talking out of his ass, for 5000 word sessions, is not a gift to his readers
    I would then assume you are exceedingly glad to not be one of “them”, but as far as anyone else thinking it a “gift”, isn’t that their decision?

    attackgerbil February 26, 2008, 5:58 pm
  • Meanwhile, I just popped over there. A further example of how full of shit he is: He’s now using his blog to stump for McCain – half the posts on the front page involve McCain. Another quarter show how much he cares for someone dying of cancer. Yup, he’s a real resource for baseball fans.
    Personally, I’d like to buy the man a giant glass of STFU.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 6:01 pm
  • A YF: then let it go. Don’t read it, don’t worry about it. It’s your choice.

    attackgerbil February 26, 2008, 6:05 pm
  • It’s gone. I never would have furthered the comparison (which, incidentally, wasn’t brought up by me) if I didn’t think it was obvious to everyone – YF and SF alike.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 6:08 pm
  • A, it sounds like the problem, then, is yours: Why do you think so much of your opinion that you assume it to be self-evident truth to everyone?
    It sounds like something you would accuse Curt Schilling of doing — except that he repeatedly on his Web site says he understands people may disagree with him, and that he welcomes their disagreement.

    Paul SF February 26, 2008, 6:17 pm
  • reading Hughes’s blog makes me feel young for the simple reason that I don’t know any of the bands on his music list.

    Nick-YF February 26, 2008, 6:19 pm
  • A YF: Give it a rest, or take it some place else. I’m not a huge fan of Curt Schilling, but stumping for John McCain is no crime, and the idea that there’s no value to be gleaned from his blog is patently ridiculous. Why waste everyone’s time. As for his qualifications, we’ve had some pretty sophisticated Schilling/Moose HOF discussions here, and I am sure we will continue to do so. At that time, feel free to contribute, if you can add substantively to the discussion. As it is, I think we can say, broadly, that both men are among the greatest ever to have picked up a baseball and thrown it from a mound. Are they top 50? 100? 200? 500? That’s a matter for debate. But think about this. Just about every American male over the past century plus has attempted to do what they do. That’s, my guess here, a couple hundred million people. You can count the number of who have done it better using 3 digits. Maybe 2. So enough. You don’t have to like the guy to acknowledge what he’s done.

    YF February 26, 2008, 6:29 pm
  • > reading Hughes’s blog makes me feel young
    Always on the sunny side, you are, Nick. Oh to share in your youthful exuberance. No Mitch Miller, Paul Anka, or Burt Bacharach in which for me to sink my (few remaining, non-painful) teeth. Twas the other end of the age-barometer upon which I found myself taking gauge.
    In all seriousness, it seems PH and Paul may well be able to trade playlists for a day or two and enjoy it.

    attackgerbil February 26, 2008, 6:51 pm
  • It’s been a while since we had a good hearty YFSF bipartisan beat down like this, I missed it. We can thank A YF for bringing us all back together.

    LocklandSF February 26, 2008, 6:51 pm
  • I don’t like Schilling, but most of what he’s done isn’t really wrong on objective grounds. OTOH, his comment a few weeks back that “wingnuts” like Nancy Pelosi (his words) are somehow responsible for the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq because they criticize the way the war is being run is pretty despicable. It’s one thing to express a political position and quite another to suggest that people who disagree with you are somehow responsible for people dying. He definitely deserves to be called on that.

    Anonymous Yankee Fan February 26, 2008, 6:59 pm
  • Who said there’s “no value to be gleaned to from his blog”? I didn’t. I merely questioned his intent. I have no doubt that it’s to gratify his out-sized ego. That intent appears very different from the intent of Phil Hughes. That conclusion didn’t seem too shocking or controversial to me. I didn’t realize I’d stumbled into the middle of the “bipartisan” Curt Schilling Fan Club. Even then, that characterization seems to owe itself to the times he’s decided to share his massive ego here. You must have been blinded by the light.
    And I never questioned his pitching ability. I said he’s had a very good career. And he has. One of the best careers in history? Hardly, unless by “one of” you mean top 200 or 300.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 7:02 pm
  • I think it’s kinda cool that Hughes is giving away free big league gear on his blog–as long it’s not something like authentic MLB-used jock straps or game socks.

    SoxFan February 26, 2008, 7:04 pm
  • I think it’s cool of Hughes too. The kid saved three baseballs from his first playoff appearance. And he gave one, signed, to a fan. That gesture speaks volumes to me.

    A YF February 26, 2008, 7:07 pm
  • Speaking of musical tastes, today my biz partner and I were filmed for a documentary, and the filmmaker asked us what music we like so that when he mixes in a soundtrack it has something to do with our tastes. No Anka. We suggested Danzig.
    The guy looked at us like we were nuts.

    SF February 26, 2008, 7:07 pm
  • Muther! Do you want to bang heads with me!? Muuuu-ther!?

    A YF February 26, 2008, 7:10 pm
  • Whenever I put my ipod on shuffle, the only Danzig song that comes up is a 4 second “track” of silence off of Danzig IV. Maybe that’s for the better?

    Nick-YF February 26, 2008, 7:14 pm
  • I hate it when that happens, Nick. I’ve actually studiously gone through my iTunes and deleted every piece of music/silence/sound effect that’s shorter than 30 seconds. Just so I don’t get all excited by the band name, only to realize it’s that stupid 20-second sound clip of horses galloping that leads into the next song (which I really like, except my iTunes is on random, so I won’t hear it for another 2,000 songs, and by the time I get my iTunes open to un-shuffle the tracks, the sound clip is over and it’s on some band that bears no alphabetical relationship whatsoever to the previous band, and it would take more trouble than it’s worth to go back and click on the song I really want to hear, so I just hit the green button to re-minimize the program and sob quietly to myself…)
    Uh, what was I saying?

    Paul SF February 26, 2008, 7:59 pm
  • this thing went south in a hurry…
    was this a hughes v. schilling issue, sox v. yankee issue, a yf v. sf. issue, or ‘a yf’ v. the mob issue?…
    sf, you had to know the direction this would head with your initial critique and followup comments about hughes’ blog…yet, you called curt’s efforts “amazing” and “remarkable”…oh my……curt could improve his blog by renaming it “me”…
    …say what you want about curt…he has a hall of fame mouth, but his heart [both as an intense ballplayer, but more importantly as the champion of charitable causes] is even bigger…the evidence is there…see lockland’s post at 5:45pm tues. for details…but i don’t believe that questioning curt’s charitable work was ‘a yf’s’ intent…he apparently is of the opinion that curt doesn’t hand out enough stuff to fans, but didn’t explain how he knows this…but, his contention that some of you are star-struck by schilling’s “presence” is right on…
    ‘a yf’ needs to learn that there’s no room for contrary opinions around here…nice pile-on guys…

    dc February 27, 2008, 2:39 pm
  • What a silly argument. BTW, who authorized PH giving out Yankee property? Or did he buy those things before he offered them to fans on his blog?

    WebmistressEMC March 3, 2008, 5:33 am
  • I’m sure he got permission to give the stuff away, Webmistress. The Yankees are very careful about what they let get taken out of their clubhouse.

    Atheose March 3, 2008, 8:54 am
  • I think those things (balls, jerseys, etc) are given to players to do with what they want. For instance, there’s a story going around that Mo throws away (literally, in the trash) his grey road pants every Spring. There will be no bus rides for the Great Mo Rivera (and yes, I think that gesture is completely obnoxious).

    A YF March 3, 2008, 9:16 am
  • Actually I read an article once about how the Yankees players aren’t allowed to give anything away unless they receive permission, and Mo got in trouble once for giving some of his used equipment to his cousin, who then turned around and sold them.

    Atheose March 3, 2008, 10:39 am
  • I bet there are some rules there. But I could imagine game used gear is treated differently. After all, the Yankees have a company to sell that stuff (Steiner Collectibles). Hughes gave away a ball (probably borderline, but I imagine given to him) and an unused fleece (too big).

    A YF March 3, 2008, 10:48 am

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