The Glass Is Half Full … But Of What? Sox-SatanFish Gamer XIII

There’s a number of ways to look at tonight’s game. It actually looks something like a childhood game:

  • The Red Sox are playing the Devil Rays.
  • But Scott Kazmir’s on the mound.
  • But Kazmir got shelled by the Sox last start (5.2 IP, 6 ER).
  • But he has a 2.48 ERA in his last five starts vs. Boston.
  • But he’s 0-2 with two no-decisions in his last four.
  • But the Red Sox are throwing out their B-lineup.
  • But the guys who are sitting are actually terrible against Kazmir (Ortiz: .147, Ramirez: .153, Drew: .000), and the guys who are playing are actually pretty good against him (Kielty: .438, Cora: .500).

So who knows. Every cloud has a silver lining. Or is it every silver lining has a cloud? At any rate, it’s baseball, and more importantly, it’s the Devil Rays. So anything can happen.

All I know is I’d rather enter the weekend’s Yankee series in a position where being swept doesn’t cut the division lead in half. That can be evinced, starting with a win tonight. Comment away!

1. Lugo DH
2. Crisp CF
3. Pedroia 2B
4. Lowell 3B
5. Kielty RF
6. Youkilis 1B
7. Varitek C
8. Ellsbury LF
9. Cora SS


1. Iwamura 3B
2. Crawford LF
3. Pena 1B
4. Upton CF
5. Young RF
6. Harris 2B
7. Norton DH
8. Navarro C
9. Wilson SS


148 comments… add one
  • Its the Lugo/Crisp combo at the top again. Tito hates freedom.

    Dionysus September 10, 2007, 6:36 pm
  • A Pedroia/Ellsbury top two would be better, with Youkilis/Lowell at 3/4, then Kielty, Varitek, Lugo. Crisp, Cora. Ah well… When you’re looking at a lineup like that, I guess it probably doesn’t matter much.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 6:45 pm
  • I’d thin Ellsbury/Pedroia would be better. Uses Jacoby’s access to the Speed Force.

    Dionysus September 10, 2007, 6:47 pm
  • Scoreless through 1. Schilling struck out Pena looking to end the 1st.

    Devine September 10, 2007, 7:15 pm
  • Oh my bad…thought it was an away game. Only top of the 1st.

    Devine September 10, 2007, 7:18 pm
  • Leadoff single by Lugo, but Crisp Ks and Dustin flies out… Lowell up.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:22 pm
  • WP, JLug to second… OK, a single gets the run in…

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:23 pm
  • Wow, I only just caught on that Lugo is the friggin’ DH. That’s got to be a first for him, right? Couldn’t figure how Lugo, Pedroia and Cor could be in the game together.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:24 pm
  • Lowell Ks, 0-0 after one.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:24 pm
  • Schill seemed to be paying more attention to the runner on 1st there than the batter, which he walks on 4 pitches, 1st and 2nd, 2 outs.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:34 pm
  • “Schill seemed to be paying more attention to the runner on 1st there than the batter, which he walks on 4 pitches, 1st and 2nd, 2 outs.”
    I’ve noticed this happening with Roger Clemens a lot this season. He pays a ton of attention to runners on base, often throwing over several times. I’m starting to wonder if it’s a resting strategy, something that keeps them active while letting them rest their legs for the next pitch.

    Nick-YF September 10, 2007, 7:36 pm
  • Curveball gets Navarro – Curt really didn’t seem very sharp that inning. Not too enthusiastic about the rest of this game going forward if Schill pitches the same way.

    SF September 10, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • Schilling bears down and Ks Navarro.
    WRKO says that the only catcher with more home runs in the A.L. this year is Posada, with a grand total of … 10. We’re a long way from the Bench/Fisk era.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • That’s not right – or I am misinterpreting something – Varitek has 13 homers this year.

    SF September 10, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Lugo the DH? Holy hell. What is going on?

    rootbeerfloat September 10, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • Kielty strikes out – I imagine his .400 average against Kazmir is on a small sample. He looks just awful in that PA.

    SF September 10, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • Kazmir right around the plate, moving it up/down, in/out with velocity. This is a game against the Devil Rays where the starting pitcher makes his team into something far more than what you see in the standings.

    SF September 10, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • SF, just repeating what I heard on the radio… Maybe I misheard.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • Tek is useless, whiffs. As Paul pointed out, Tek’s production has been helpful this year, but recently he’s looked brutal.

    SF September 10, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • Yeah, shows Martinez (CLE) at 21 homers and Posada at 19, so either I misheard or I’d like some of what they’re smoking in the broadcast booth.
    Still, Bench had 45 in 1970…

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:45 pm
  • Tek is 6th in the AL on the catcher HR list. Martinez, Posada, Buck, Kenji, and Pyrzinski are ahead.

    Nick-YF September 10, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • I personally am not a big fan of the pitching-to-contact philosophy Schilling has. I understand he can’t blow guys away or strike out as many s he used to, but I’m afraid that sometimes he’s just throwing stuff up there and trying to get people to hit it. Too much luck for my taste.
    On the other hand, he’s an intelligent guy who has talked in the past about studying the finer points of BABIP, so perhaps he’s just talking about pitching to better contact than he would if he were still trying to blow everyone away…

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 7:49 pm
  • As I say that, chilling gets his third K in three innings. Great frame from the old man.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • Curt ending each inning so far with a K. Keep it up you big blowhard.

    LocklandSF September 10, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • Entering the game, Kielty is 7 for 16 against Kazmir. 1-for-2 in 2004, 3-for-5 with a HR in 2005, 3-for-6 with a double and a HR in 2006, and 0-for-3 this year.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • Ellsbury with a 10-game hitting streak since his September callup.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • And Kazmir retroactively lost his no-hitter anyway. The error on Upton changed to a hit for Lugo.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • Leadoff single by Jacoby! Cora-Lugo-Crisp coming up.
    (IDGI. How many bases can one team steal, realistically?)

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • Cora FC, JEll out at 2nd.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • I just don’t get the notion of *ever* “resting” your DH. It is a restful position to begin with.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • Except Cora erases Ellsbury on the FC grounder. His average now lower than Lugo’s — continuing to make nearly everyone in Boston look foolish for going all agog when his average touched .406.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 7:56 pm
  • (Lugo flies out, 2 gone.)

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Cora is hitting like, what, .022 since his hot April/May? I want to punch a wall when I see him come up – not just because he sucks, but because he looks just like Jorge Posada as well.
    What a waste of a leadoff single. Jeez. This team showing why they are not engendering great confidence in me for the postseason, doing zippo against a good pitcher.

    SF September 10, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Seems like Papi’s really hurting this time, Hudson. Plus he’s awful against Kazmir — like mess-up-your-swing-for-a-week awful.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • Crisp flies out, another runner wasted. To the 4th.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Could have used better at-bats from Crisp and Lugo there. Saw a whole three pitches between them.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • You all understand that Tito wanted to make sure that Ortiz was available to not pinch hit in the seventh tonight as the tying run, right?

    SF September 10, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Pena is going to launch one here, I predict.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • And I am right! Pena launches a grounder to Pedroia in short right for an out.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • Delmon Young fists one to center for a single. Two down. Come on, Curt.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • In his last 43 games, Crisp is .235/.316/.320 with one home run and 18 RBI in 153 at bats.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Cora fields the grounder from Harris for the third out. Curt doing his job nicely so far, time for some offense!

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Crisp has certainly cooled a bit, which is too bad. I am sure his streakiness will be used by many to try to shove him out of town this offseason to make room for Jacoby. That would make me angry.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • With Drew and Varitek similarly struggling, it’s no wonder we have trouble scoring runs. That’s a black hole in the 6-7-8 spots in the lineup (when normally constructed). So unless Lowell hits a home run, the runners on base when he’s done batting aren’t likely to score. Not good.
    I sy Crisp needs to be traded this offseason. His perceived value is higher than what he’s actually provided, I think — helped by his amazing defense and the brief hot streak he had in July. Get something useful for him and start Ellsbury in center next season.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Haha, I think I just made you angry, SF.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Pedroia with the single. Come on, Mikey!

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • It’s looking like this might come down to who will make a mistake first.

    LocklandSF September 10, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • Looking at it this way, Crisp through his first 64 games this season: .221/.277/.295 with one home run.
    Then for 31 games he batted .402/.454/.641 with 4 homers.
    Now through 43 games he’s .235/.316/.320 with 1 homer.
    So basically Crisp has been productive on offense for one month this season. That’s not good enough, and unlike Lugo and Drew, he’s tradeable with a young replacement clearly ready to go.

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • What are Varitek’s numbers over the same time period?

    Tom sf September 10, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • But there are arguments out there that Crisp’s defense is worth his so-so offensive output. I actually think his perceived value is lower than his actual value as a result. Who talks about or values defense?

    Nick-YF September 10, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • Leadoff double, sacrifice to third. One down. Here we come, four-game loss column lead!
    Thank god for the Wild Card – not because I think the Sox are destined for it, but because at least it’s there as a safety net in case this team skids. I hate to say this, but I really do understand why there is a contingent of Yankee fans who think this Sox squad is eminently beatable.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Rays up 1-0 on the sac fly.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Schill gets ahead 0-2 on Iwamura, then gives up a 1-2 single. Curt was up 0-2 on Gibson, who hit the sac fly. He just can’t put guys away like he used to.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • sf, honestly, i don’t think we can beat you for the division, but i do think we can compete respectfully, in a playoff setting, assuming we can survive the first round [a big if]…

    dc September 10, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • Jesus, how did he hit that?

    LocklandSF September 10, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • Now 0-2 to Crawford. Let’s see what happens.
    Of course, Crawford bloops one to center, about 110 feet, for a single. Another hit and this game will be out of reach, considering the lineup.
    Have I said how I think this is the most painful good team I have ever watched in my years of rooting for the Sox?

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Curt getting up there in pitch count, too, in only the fifth inning. If he escapes here, might we see Clay?

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • Big K for Schill, nailing Pena. Come on, offense…

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • as a Yanks fan,I not really concerned with winning the division…I mean,that’s how the Sox won in 2004, via the wildcard…and oh by the way, the Indians might be our first foe in the ALDS if we secure the Wildcard…and oh by the way, that’s the same Indianas that we OWN! GO Indians!!!

    Denise G September 10, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • “Bread next to a red hot coil” walks. Leadoff man on.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • go indians

    dc September 10, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Jacoby first pitch swinging, force on Tek at second. Good to see Ellsbury trying to fit in with the rest of the guys.
    How about some frigging smart baseball for once?

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Is it too early to pinch hit for Cora?

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • Jason Varitek, same time period: .252/.378/.378, 4 HR. Not good, but not nearly as bad.
    One run may be enough to win this game. Why have not Lugo or Ellsbury tried a steal in their times on base? As a lefty, I suspect Kazmir is very good golding runners, but still….

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Three times the leadoff man has been on for the Sox. Three times he’s gotten as far as…first. One more out to change that.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Another full count. First to Tek, now to Cora. This is why Ellsbury’s hacking pisses me off.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Ellsbury doubled off first after Cora lines to center. What a clusterfuck this game is.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Geez, nothing going right. Movie night. Ciao!

    Paul SF September 10, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Man, SF, deep breaths. It’s a one run game.

    LocklandSF September 10, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • sounds like fun…the game, that is…

    dc September 10, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Eh, Lockland, I have global issues with this team that get aired during game threads more extremely than they probably are. I just don’t love watching this squad bat. I love the pitching – God knows I’d rather have a team that can shut down an opposition than not, but the offense is so damn frustrating, and has been all season, but for a few bombout games. I find watching the offense totally excruciating.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • Good inning from Curt. Another starter does his job.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • Lugo swings and misses for strike three.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • Third start of five this year against the Sox that Kazmir has held he Sox completely off the board, though of course his effort isn’t over yet this evening.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • Coco lines one through the SS/3B hole for a baseknock.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Well, at least tonight, this isn’t the offense you will watch a lot, that combined with us going against Kaz, I would say it’s going pretty well.
    I agree that our offense is pretty frustrating from time to time, but it’s not awful, not even close. The numbers don’t lie, it just looks that way.

    LocklandSF September 10, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Oh, the offense isn’t awful, Lockland, never said that. They are just not fun to watch. It’s not just the approach at the plate, really, it’s all the baserunning errors and other situational crap that gets me.

    SF September 10, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Pedroia lines one right at a Ray, of course. Grrr.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • I wonder if Paul noticed that Lowell is now in his patented swoon, 6 for his last 31?
    He swings at ball four on 3-0. Nice. Good approach.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • If we can hold them next inning we have a shot – Kazmir now approaching 100 pitches.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Sorry, Lowell 6 for his last 34 after another K. Pathetic. Utterly fucking pathetic.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Can someone explain how the postseason first-round matchups would work, assuming the top teams stay the same in relation to each others’ records?

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • (Not only did Lowell K, he K’d after being up 3-0.)

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • who is corey?

    mike September 10, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • No idea about Corey.
    You know, it just doesn’t bode well for the upcoming New York series that the Sox are having one-run games against the O’s and the Rays…

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • According to this article, the Sox got Corey from the Rangers last year:

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • Hudson, the Sox with the best record would play the wildcard, but since the wildcard comes from the same division they’d play the division winner with the worst record, this being the Indians at the moment. Other series then would be Angels vs Yankees.

    pale blue eyes September 10, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • When Wily Mo left town, did he take Youk’s bats and leave his own behind?

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Fourth leadoff man on for the Sox, going absolutely nowhere at the moment.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Yes! A man at second. Tek works a nice at-bat and walks. Ells up.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Whoa, I’m slightly in shock that Tek didn’t whiff big time in that at-bat and worked the walk. The Sox are not toast… yet.
    Kazmir still in, despite the supposed “strict pitch count” on him.

    Anonymous September 10, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Kazmir about to throw pitch #113.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • (SKaz at 112 pitches starting the AB with JEll.)

    Anonymous September 10, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Ellsbury a little overmatched tonight so far…

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Ooh, high fastball has Ells confused, but it was a tad high. 1-2.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • Gah, Ellsbury totally fooled on another fastball. Whiff. He looked out of his league in that at-bat.
    And Cora bats. Are you kidding me?

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Jacoby Ks on a sick pitch.
    C’mon, Francoma, pinch-hit for Cora…

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Somone give Tito a hard poke in the ribs.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • Gah, before I could even type that Cora grounds out. Such a waste.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • I wish I had posted this as a joke earlier:
    “You all understand that Tito wanted to make sure that Ortiz was available to not pinch hit in the seventh tonight as the tying run, right?”
    Unfortunately I was dead serious, and Tito comes through like clockwork, sending probably the worst hitter on the team up (save Mirabelli and Cash) with the tying runner at second, a tiring Kazmir, and first base plugged up.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • Do we have a middle-infielder on the bench who could have replaced Cora at short? I guess they could have moved Pedroia to short. But then who plays second?

    pale blue eyes September 10, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • Um, Lugo would have moved to short, losing the DH. But BFD at this point in the game with expanded rosters.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • The Sox pitching are keeping the Sox in this.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • JLug pops out to right-center, 5 outs to go. Gah.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • The Sox have Clayton (SS) on the roster.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • 3-1 to Coco… … … … … … … … And he walks.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • The Sox didn’t need to do anything with bench players. They only needed to pinch hit for the pitcher in two or three innings, if it came to that, once the DH was gone. Lugo would move into the field.
    This isn’t rocket science, except for Francona apparently.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Wheeler throws over to 1st three times in a row.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • IDGI, how do you “pinch hit for the pitcher”?

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • Fourth pickoff attempt; then DPed Ks. Blechhh.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • Finally, the Sox steal a base with all this speed in the lineup.
    Ortiz coming out on deck, but one wonders if he’ll actually get a shot.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • The DH role would have been lost and the pitcher would have taken its place. All you need to do is pinch hit when the pitching slot comes up. SF is right. Tito is not being very bright here.

    Nick-YF September 10, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • Lowell: Ball… … … Ball… Called strike… … … … … … … … Foul, 2-2… … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Called strike three.
    Now I’m mad.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Yeah, I get it. And I forgot about Clayton too.

    pale blue eyes September 10, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Thanks, Nick, makes sense.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Hmmm, wasn’t Gagne supposed to be available tonight? What are the odds?

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • Timlin is back. MDC warming.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Young singles, no outs. Grrr.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Ah, Papi stands and watches Lowell whiff from the on-deck circle.
    Well played, Tito. Ortiz better bat no later than leadoff next inning, because you know if Kielty gets out then Tito ain’t pinching for Youk or Tek, which means that our best hitter will have spent an entire 1-0 game on the pine.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Meanwhile, the Doc is spinning a complete game in Detroit. It’s looking good for the Yanks in the wild card. The Jays are one out away!

    Nick-YF September 10, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Unless, of course, it’s like 5-0 when the Sox come up to plate.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • 12 Sox Ks so far.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Coco… Great catch, and doubles up the runner!
    Gold glove for that man. And Youks.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:53 pm
  • I’d much rather have seen Papi bat in the 7th with a RISP than leadoff in the 9th. If he reaches, he ain’t the guy you want on the basepaths in a manufacture-a-run-at-all-costs situation.
    TB gone, Sox bottom of the 9th on the way.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • If he reaches, he ain’t the guy you want on the basepaths in a manufacture-a-run-at-all-costs situation.
    He’s not going into the field, so they’d probably PR for him, Drew (who would take Kielty’s place). That’s not a concern – Ortiz, should he reach, would not be running the bases.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Here’s Papi…

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • (OK, here’s a crazy scenario… Can Lowell play other infield positions? Because in a pinch Ortiz could play 1st, Youks move to 3rd, and Lowell tried at, say, SS or 2nd… Hopefully that will never come up.)
    Papi batting.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • Papi down 0-2 after missing a meatball on 0-1. Grrr.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • But why would Ortiz have to stay in the game, Hudson?

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • Papi fouls one off, then grounds softly to short. One down.

    SF September 10, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • Papi: Called strike… … Foul… … … … … … Foul… … … … … … … … … … … … OY… … … … … … … … … … He’s out, 5-3.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • Honestly, who replaced Youk with a shitbag who can’t hit a fastball?

    SF September 10, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • I was just talking in theory. There might be a game where you’d rather have Ortiz stay in the lineup (extra innings postseason scenario?).

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • Youks: … Ball… Foul… … Ball… … … Foul… … … … … … … … … Foul… … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … And another out, lined to Iwamura.
    One chance left. Gonna take a Tek solo shot.

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • I dunno…the game just felt lethargic all night. Sox refused to run against Kaz. It’s as if everyone has early dinner reservations.

    DW-sf September 10, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • Youk has fouled off three high 80s fastballs up in the zone. He’s battling, but I am not sure “not hitting meatballs and instead fouling them off” counts as battling, but rather a “missed opporunity”. And like that he floats a soft liner to Iwamura.

    SF September 10, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • Tek: … Called strike… … … … … … … … … Called strike… … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Foul… … … … … 0-2 count, 1-0 game, bottom of the ninth, two outs… … … … Foul… … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … …

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Game over.
    What a joke, coming back to Fenway and doing this. They are going to deserve all the shit they get if they continue to play like this. It’s simply impossible for me to feel confident about this team right now.

    SF September 10, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • feck! I jinxed the Jays and they blow it with two out. The Tigers win a big one.

    Nick-YF September 10, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Excellent. Now Tek and Tito can make their 11pm slot at Olives. Heaven knows, actually trying would’ve screwed up eating a decent meal tonight.

    DW-sf September 10, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Called strike three.
    Not with a bang, but a whimper.
    Does Francona think that some games count less than others in the standings?

    Hudson September 10, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • At least Detroit came from behind and won their game. I’ll take some solace in that. Well, that and the Mets beating the Braves.

    FenSheaParkway September 10, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • you still have a 5 game lead….sheesh

    dc September 10, 2007, 10:21 pm
  • How does that help that Detroit won?

    Lar September 10, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • Four up in the loss column. They better not lose another game this series.

    Pete September 10, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • Just don’t see how it’s a good idea to trade Crisp. He’s young, cheap, and decent enough as a CF/9th hitter. Plus, I can’t see how he’d bring more than a relief pitcher (and even then they’d have to send money to cover the rest of his contract). They have nothing to lose hanging on to him for another year. Ellsbury’s time will come but let’s not hand him the starting CF job after posting a .740 OPS in AAA (and even his .620 OPS against LHP suggests he may only be a platooner).
    The bigger problem is that the offense is highly dependent on two guys who continue to have injury issues in Papi and Manny. Worse, it’s not like they can easily upgrade at any position. At 3B they’d have to shell out big bucks to A-Rod (and let Boras know they intend to do so) or they better re-sign Lowell. Even then, I can’t see how Lowell doesn’t find regression to the mean in 2008. Top to bottom, I don’t like the lineup next year and I don’t see how they can improve it without eating big dough (Drew, Lugo, Varitek) and shelling out more (e.g., Andruw Jones).

    Pete September 10, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Well, the hope is that Drew and Lugo won’t suck like hyperactive bilge pumps next year; in marked contrast to this year. So, if Drew and Lugo produce there is less of a need to rely upon Ortiz and Manny. In theory, anyway…this team just seems like it lives or dies based upon the health of one or two players.

    DW-sf September 10, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • When Detroit wins, it increases their (admittedly somewhat slim) chance of edging the Yankees out of the playoffs. On the other hand, a Tigers win also delays reducing the Red Sox magic number for a playoff berth. So it’s a mixed bag.

    Ron Newman September 10, 2007, 11:31 pm

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