The More We Know …

… the more we don’t know.

Consider these characterizations of the Ramirez trade talks, two from the Globe and one from the Herald:

Those scenarios presume a trade of Ramírez, with the San Diego Padres still looming as the No. 1 landing spot for the righthanded slugger. Ace righthander Jake Peavy, who is a five-year big league veteran even though he doesn’t turn 26 until May 31, is the prize the Sox are seeking in return.

The Dodgers … position is still somewhere on the periphery, as they weigh whether they want to part with their kids.

As of yesterday neither Peavy’s name nor that of first baseman Adrian Gonzalez had been brought up by either club. … By all accounts, the Red Sox’ most fruitful talks have been with the Dodgers, but the Sox have yet to indicate if they are satisfied with what they can get in return.

So who’s taking whom for a ride? I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Red Sox and Padres have undergone trade talks without mentioning Peavy and Gonzalez, the only two major leaguers of significant value in San Diego. And how can trade talks be "fruitful" if one of the sides hasn’t indicated whether they like the offer? Ah, the joys of the hot stove.

11 comments… add one
  • It would phenomenal if the Sox could get Peavy. However, from what I’ve read, the Peavy rumors are ridiculous. Turns out every GM in baseball would like to have Peavy. Frankly, I wouldn’t mind having Peavy over for Christmas–but it isn’t going to happen.

    walein December 2, 2006, 1:50 pm
  • I’d imagine if Peavy were a possibility, Theo would’ve pulled the trigger on a trade already. While it’s fun to drool over the thought of a Peavy/Beckett/Matsuzaka/Papelbon rotation anchoring the Red Sox for the foreseeable future, I just don’t see it happening. The Padres would be dumb to trade a young pitcher with so much talent, even if it is for Manny.
    Khalil Greene is a pretty good defensive SS, with good offensive numbers away from cavernous Petco. He’d be another good trade chip for San Diego to offer, if possible. Just throwing that out there.

    mouse December 2, 2006, 2:08 pm
  • …don’t bother drooling on yourself mouse, you still don’t have a closer, unless you expect those guys to spin a complete game every outing…and, you only have half of the 4 you mentioned actually signed to a contract…dm?, dm?, dm?, bueller?…

    dc December 2, 2006, 3:51 pm
  • What part of “I just don’t see it happening” did you not see in my post, dc? We’re never getting Peavy. I just mentioned that it’s fun to dream. Nothing wrong with that.

    mouse December 2, 2006, 5:34 pm
  • DC likes to dream that the Red Sox won’y sign Marsuzaka, leaving him a free agent next offseason for the Yankees to sign. Sadly (for him and Yank fans in general), it is only a dream, unlikely ever to be reality…

    Paul SF December 2, 2006, 7:10 pm
  • …read what i said mouse…peavy wasn’t the point…you don’t have dm yet either, and if you insist on having papelbon start, you don’t have a closer…that was the point…
    …actually paul, you’re showing your dishonest side yet again…if you bothered to remember what i’ve said about dm, i said this was a great sox move, congratulated you fans and the team, and conceded that it is likely he will be signed if the sox don’t cheap out, like they usually do…if you can explain what’s taking so long, i’m listening…

    dc December 2, 2006, 8:14 pm
  • Oh man. This isn’t just you dc. I wish I could scream it from the mountaintops and make it neccessary reading for everyone visiting any blog having to do with the Red Sox.
    The Red Sox’s [INSERT: (fans/players/pets/loved ones/annoying journalists)] are not “insisting” on Papelbon being a starter. He simply is going to be one. Theo has mentioned this on many occasions. His days as a closer are over. His shoulder cannot handle the strain of that KIND of workload, and he has by most accounts closed his last game for the Red Sox (barring some playoff situation occurring). They have gotten many medical opinions and they have all come out the same. Again, this isn’t neccessarily targeted at you, dc, since I STILL see here and elsewhere, lots of other people suggesting Papelbon close next year. ..pipedream. Not. Going. To. Happen. …Period. Exclamation point.
    For situations where fans are really the ones doing the insisting about a starting job: see: McCarthy, Brandon. Chicago White Sox.

    Quo December 2, 2006, 11:00 pm
  • And, yes, dc, you did not suggest it. But your comment about mouse “insisting” Papelbon be a starter suggests that you do not have this information.

    Quo December 2, 2006, 11:01 pm
  • “if you can explain what’s taking so long, i’m listening…”
    Well…I hope Paul will forgive me…but I’ll give it a try.
    How about…it’s Scott Boras, and he always drags negotiations out as long as humanly possible, no matter what the situation is? Or, maybe both sides realize that there are 30 days to negotiate, not 20? Maybe it’s because they didn’t even really sit down to start talking until 2 or 3 days after the winning bid was announced, which means they’ve really only been in conversations for just over a week? Your guess is as good as anyone else’s…
    …Unless you’re guessing that Boston’s going to cheap out. There are THIRTY days to talk. The fact that the Red Sox haven’t been really involved in any rumors for any SP’s not named Jake Peavy says, to me, that they’re deadly serious about getting something done with Matsuzaka. Because without him…their rotation looks pretty thin.
    It’s called “negotiations” for a reason, and this time, both sides are keeping fairly quiet. Did you expect to hear a final report within 2 weeks? I know I didn’t…

    desturbd1 December 2, 2006, 11:53 pm
  • ok, d-1, fair enough

    dc December 3, 2006, 12:04 am
  • countdown: 11 days 13 hours left [according to the globe]

    dc December 3, 2006, 10:03 am

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