Wide World of Blogs: Jeter’s 9,845,735th “No Comment” irks Klapisch, and more

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  • Bob Klapisch thinks that Jeter should have defended Torre publicly after Sheffield’s recent comments. By offering a "no comment" when asked about Sheff’s remarks, Klapisch believes Jeter "left the door open to Kenny Lofton – one of the game’s angriest,
    most isolated players – adding credibility to a ludicrous accusation." Or maybe he didn’t opine because no one in the mainstream media gives Lofton or Sheffield any credibility in the first place. Truly what damage has been done to Torre’s reputation in the public mind? Derek is smart enough to know how these things will play out. Why enter the fray with an opinion when it’s unneccessary?
  • River Avenue Blues provides a recap of last night’s Yankee win, and notes the turn-arounds of Luis Viscaino and Hideki Matsui. Johnny Damon, on the other hand, might be less useful than Miguel Cairo at this point. What a difference a year makes.
  • There was a verbal dust-up between Curt Schilling and Peter Gammons recently. Or was it between Schilling and Sox management? In an interview with Boston Dirt Dogs, Schilling expressed his unhappiness with Gammons (and perhaps the team) for recents comments made by the scribe. Gammons is quoted as saying, "I mean he wanted a $13
    million extension and didn’t work out … That has really impacted the
    way the team feels about Curt Schilling at this point. … They way
    they took it, they felt that he was saying ‘you know what, my video
    game business is far more important than winning the World Series." To which Schilling replied, "
    In my opinion this is Peter
    conveying a message to me from someone that didn’t want to say it to me
    directly. That or taking a huge stab in the dark, which he does quite
    often." Ohhhhh snap!  There seems to be some ill-will developing between Schilling and the front office.
  • This is relatively old, but Seth Mnookin thinks Coco Crisp is the most valuable Sock of the first half. I’d say Josh Beckett or Youkilis (or maybe Kei Igawa) would rank higher. Still, Mnookin is convinced that Crisp’s defense gives him the edge. What do you think?
35 comments… add one
  • The last two sentences of your second bullet and the first sentence of your final bullet are quite a juxtaposition, considering the flak Epstein got for the Damon exodus.
    I am not trying to pick at a scab here, but this turnabout for Damon and Crisp (Crisp has been an All-Star caliber player for several weeks now) is prime evidence of why we should all be cautious about jumping the gun on judging four-year deals, or hanging some sort of “they don’t ever go the extra mile for players” albatross onto the neck of some organizations.

    SF July 17, 2007, 11:03 am
  • Klapisch is a moron. He is outspoken and obnoxious. This is my hometown paper, so I get my fill of this moron on a daily basis.
    On the JD note, I wonder if there is anyone that would take him off our hands? Maybe a contender with a need in the OF? I doubt it, but it’s worth a shot!

    John - YF (Trisk) July 17, 2007, 11:08 am
  • You are right about Jeter. What’s the point in his responding? There’s zero upside. This isn’t defending an unfairly maligned teammate, a far more appropriate incident worthy of a captain’s response. This is a disgruntled, selfish ex-teammate with sour grapes, and the more Sheff talks, the dumber Sheff looks, the more he plays the victim’s card (while making $13M a year – what a victim!) the less credibility he has. Not only that, but Sheff made it personal when he called Jeter “black and white” and not black, as if Jeter’s whiteness or blackness is relevant. Jeter took the high road, and good for him.

    SF July 17, 2007, 11:09 am
  • I disagree re: Jeter staying silent. First off, while I don’t particularly like Jeter, I respect the hell out of him as a baseball player. He’s a class act, stays off the front pages, and if your kid was going to pick an athletic role model, tough to argue w/ Jeter as a choice (even though he crowds the plate and jumps back at any ball that even remotely breathes at the inside corner). That said, his continued refusal to stand up for his teammates (most notably A-rod and now Torre) is pretty interesting to me. As the unquestioned leader of the Yanks, he could certainly squash any controversy re: Sheff’s comments by simply saying “I can’t speak for others, but Joe Torre is a great guy and I’ve never seen any evidence that he’s a racist.” It’s pretty clear that he doesn’t have A-rod’s back, either. Contrast this with the Sox’ attitude toward players like Lugo, Bellhorn (during his last year with the club), etc – they all stuck up for each other, and I can’t help but think that builds clubhouse chemistry. Jeter may be doing himself a favor by not contributing to the story, but I don’t see his continued refusal to comment on any major story as a positive thing for the team as a whole.

    Andrew BoSox July 17, 2007, 11:20 am
  • Maybe I have a selective memory but can anyone remember this much drama surrouding the ’96-’01 teams? I just feel like everyday it’s another Soap Opera. To start the season I was so happy to have gotten rid of Unit and Sheff, they were always filled with drama from day #1. Little did I know how much BS there would be even without them. A-Rod doesn’t heart DJ, Pavano, Igawa, Clemens, Torre, Giambi, Cashman and on and on and on….It’s times like this that make me envious of teams like the A’s and Brewers. They just look like they are having the time of their lives (This Year), with very little DRAMA.

    John - YF (Trisk) July 17, 2007, 11:23 am
  • what’s the controversy regarding Torre’s supposed racism? How many people’s minds have been changed about Torre from this recent story?
    Perhaps Jeter is refusing to comment because he doesn’t believe Sheff’s comments are worth acknowledging.

    Nick-YF July 17, 2007, 11:24 am
  • This is the way the media has decided to cover this team and it’s a function of them not winning it all and living in the shadow of the late 90’s teams. But I don’t think it’s the players’ faults–not that you were suggesting that. I just think it’s out of their control.

    Nick-YF July 17, 2007, 11:26 am
  • AndrewBoSox, first off in the case of Sheff he has a reputation as a blowhard who makes statements with little credibility. Joe Torre like him or not, has a ton of credibility in the baseball world. He is respected by most, unlike Sheff. It’s not like people don’t know how much DJ cares about/likes/respects “Mr. Torre.” Joe Torre doesn’t need DJ’s help to clear his name, people should already know that this is not true based on his track record and by the source of the rant. I think his choice NOT to defend Torre only makes Sheff’s argument hold less water.

    John - YF (Trisk) July 17, 2007, 11:31 am
  • “How many people’s minds have been changed about Torre from this recent story?”
    Not mine, I still think he is the worst at managing the Bullpen in the game today! Sorry that was too easy!

    John - YF (Trisk) July 17, 2007, 11:35 am
  • hey John, speaking of the bullpen, I saw a rumor up at WasWatching of Proctor for Dan Johnson. I can’t imagine it to be true unless they have deal lined up for Gagne or Otsuka or Linebrink. What do you think?

    Nick-YF July 17, 2007, 11:37 am
  • “Crisp (Crisp has been an All-Star caliber player for several weeks now)”
    I consider this a stretch – Crisp’s numbers in June and July are similar to the numbers Melky put up. Do you consider him an “All-Star caliber” player too? The improvement is nice, but it’s too early to feel very good about either player – both may revert to their April/May form before the season’s end.
    ” jumping the gun on judging four-year deals…”
    Granted, at this point the Damon signing is starting to look like a disaster, but he has been hurt all year(same excuse many SF’s used to defend Coco last year). When healthy, Damon will probably revert to form with the bat; hopefully he can learn to play first…

    Andrews July 17, 2007, 11:37 am
  • What has there been more of this season?
    *No Comments by DJ?
    *”Turning points” in the Yankees season?
    *Botched balls by Wily Mo?
    *Hits for Wil Nieves?

    John - YF (Trisk) July 17, 2007, 11:38 am
  • turning points. last night’s 7th k was a turning point for Igawa. Mark my words!

    Nick-YF July 17, 2007, 11:40 am
  • ” I wonder if there is anyone that would take him off our hands?”
    IMO the chance of that, at this point, is zero.
    As far as the Torre thing, what purpose would a Jeter comment serve? To add fuel to the fire, and cause more of a distraction? He handled it perfectly- he said he would like to comment, but was choosing not to. Jeter surely has Torre’s back, as was evidenced by the stand he took when there was talk of Joe being fired…

    Andrews July 17, 2007, 11:44 am
  • http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/07/dan-johnson-for.html
    Nick I LOVE IT! Dan Johnson is a good young hitter (28). He has some Pop, good glove and decent OBP. I think we win more games with Johnson at 1B, then we do with Cairo/Phillips at 1B and Proctor setting up. I also wouldn’t be SHOCKED if Cash was able to get an arm from Beane in that deal as well. Reason being they have Daric Barton tearing up the minors and no place for him until Johnson is dealt. Let’s see what happens.

    John - YF (Trisk) July 17, 2007, 11:44 am
  • Why so argumentative, Andrews? Crisp HAS been ‘all-star caliber’ for nearly two months, that’s a fact. He’s been excellent at the plate and otherworldly in the field. I am not projecting anything forward, but Crisp has seemingly returned to what he had a more extensive track record of doing before last year’s injury, so there’s some confidence that he’s actually the player we are seeing. No guarantees of course.
    I don’t know what Melky has to do with this, frankly, he isn’t linked like Crisp and Damon are, but yeah, Melky’s been damn fine, too.
    As for Damon getting healthy, the biggest question is actually will he ever get healthy, at his age with his history of physical play.

    SF July 17, 2007, 12:16 pm
  • As a fan that watched Damon play pretty much every game that he played while in Boston, I can tell you this is no surprise to me and I wasn’t worried when he left. I stick to my original position that Theo never had any intention to sign Damon.
    I don’t think it’s a matter of him getting healthy. It looks to me like the way he has treated his body is catching up to him and it’s hard to heal from that.

    LocklandSF July 17, 2007, 12:35 pm
  • I don’t think I’m being particularly argumentative; just pointing out the small sample size, and a logical comparison. In my mind a link between the starting CFers for our respective clubs is quite natural and relevant.
    As for Damon, maybe “healthier” is a better term…

    Andrews July 17, 2007, 12:35 pm
  • I’d say the difference is that Crisp has a track record; this isn’t a judgment on Melky, just an observation that Crisp’s performance reflects prior performance over a longer period of time, while Melky’s does not. In that way, we can presume that Crisp is playing like he’s already proven he can do for extended periods of time, while Melky needs to continue to do what he’s doing to establish that same kind of track record.
    Again, not a judgment.

    SF July 17, 2007, 12:43 pm
  • I thought Crisp’s track record was that he was a good hitter who had problems in the field. He was slotted as a left fielder in Cleveland partly because he hadn’t yet figured out centerfield. His play doesn’t exactly reflect that track record. I’d say he’s hit less than expected but his defense is making up for that and more.

    Nick-YF July 17, 2007, 12:46 pm
  • He was untested in center. By that regard, yes, the track record doesn’t necessarily apply. He’s done well in center, but not because of his arm, rather because of his range — he was regarded as an extremely athletic fielder before being acquired and he’s come through on that front. His offense of the last month is much more like what we saw before he got to Boston, with speed, line drives, and a little bit of extra-base power, while not necessarily posting a massive OBP. He had two years of solid offensive output in Cleveland: that’s a far more substantial track record than what Melky has, and that’s really my biggest point. We can lean on Coco’s extended past performance while fully healthy as something of an indicator. Melky may be coming into his own, but he doesn’t have a history which proves this either is his expected level of performance or an aberration. Time will tell on that front.

    SF July 17, 2007, 12:57 pm
  • John – I wasn’t doubting Jeter’s respect for Torre, or the lack of credibility of Sheff’s comments. Just saying that a comment strongly defending Torre would have put the whole thing to bed. Instead, the media kept searching for someone to comment, and came up w/ Lofton, who agreed w/ Sheff, and Strawberry, who didn’t. Call me crazy, but I don’t see Strawberry having as much credibility as a character witness as Jeter. I was also saying that Jeter’s continued reticence to stand up for his teammates/coach is a story that, to me, is both ongoing and intriguing. That’s all.

    Andrew BoSox July 17, 2007, 1:04 pm
  • I like Proctor, and we all know Yank’s bullpen shortcomings. I think it would make sense to make the trade though, since the Yanks abuse the hell out of their arms that we might not get a good Proctor for much longer.. (see Gordon..)

    Lar July 17, 2007, 1:04 pm
  • Not only is an opinion from Jeter unneccessary, but Sheffield has already ignorantly (with his “not all the way black” comment) ruled Jeter’s opinion on this irrelevant. Is it really irrelevant? No. But this is a Sheffield-driven story, so he’s just going to shoot back with the same $#!+.
    More importantly, if Jeter says something, then both Lofton and Sheffield are asked about it again, and given more opportunity to reinforce their most likely fraudulent claims from late last week anyway. Why give them that opportunity/keep the story dragging through? This team has a second-place spot to fight against the Blue Jays for. Not that I don’t mind Jeter being blasted for his “no comments” when he should sometimes, but this is one where his tendency to let the story play itself out is certainly smart. It’s not like A-Rod where the situation will be brought up game after game.
    Crisp has been slightly better both months than Melky, and has 17 SBs to 6 from Melky (with a slightly better success rate). However, according to RZR (revised Zone Rating) (The Hardball Times), Melky might be a bit better than Coco, though Crisp has gotten to more balls OOZ (out of zone) than Melky, even when adjusting for PT. Plus, no errors from Coco (though admittedly, only one from Cabrera).
    A taker for Damon? …maybe? A taker for Damon as an OF? Well, if he isn’t one anymore…

    Anonymous July 17, 2007, 1:16 pm
  • Dang typepad. Last comment was me.

    QuoSF July 17, 2007, 1:17 pm
  • “but this turnabout for Damon and Crisp (Crisp has been an All-Star caliber player for several weeks now) is prime evidence of why we should all be cautious about jumping the gun on judging four-year deals”
    But isn’t that just what you’re doing by putting so much weight on a hot 6 1/2 week period? Seems like you’re just throwing out the 8 months that Crisp played for the sox before that. Granted, he was hurt for part of that time, like Damon this year. Agreed we should be cautious about judging 4 yr deals, especially when we’re not even at the halfway point. Time will indeed tell.
    “He’s done well in center, but not because of his arm, rather because of his range”
    What player does that remind you of? :)

    Andrews July 17, 2007, 1:42 pm
  • What player does that remind you of? :)
    Damon, six…six…SIX! years ago. Who btw put up an OPS+ of 85 with the A’s in his only season there at that point.
    And it may only be by the smallest of degrees, but Crisp has the better arm, and a much quicker release. Most fielding WS of any player in either league to this point, which is enough to make him not completely irrelevant in terms of total WS.
    And Crisp’s OBP deficiencies aside, Damon has really only had three seasons where his was really leadoff quality anyway: 2 with the Royals way back when, and 2004. This assuming anyone places value on lineup order.

    QuoSF July 17, 2007, 2:05 pm
  • ” but Crisp has the better arm…”
    After seeing a few games at the stadium this year with Damon in CF: My GRANDMOTHER has a better arm. (she died in ’90)

    Andrews July 17, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • But isn’t that just what you’re doing by putting so much weight on a hot 6 1/2 week period?
    No! I am not doing this. Crisp’s prior performance in Cleveland over two full seasons is the justification for why I think that Crisp’s current performance may be more like the player he really is, and why I think that these past two months are not an anomaly, but rather what we might see more of down the road. Last year he was injured – he fractured his thumb, and this clearly screwed up his season. This year he appears to have corrected mechanical issues (SoSH had a great thread on some of his swing changes) and now he seems to have returned to his previous levels. This isn’t about isolating Crisp’s last two months, it’s about looking at those two months in the context of a much longer career.
    And, you can’t NOT factor in the Damon injuries, even if they’ve only been a major factor this season; he left Boston banged up and he’s degraded since he left, however nice a year he had last year. The Crisp acquisition/Damon jettison was a multi-year thing, and now we’re in year 2. It’s certainly fair to re-assess now, as it will be at this time next year, and the next year after that, until Damon’s deal is effectively done.

    SF July 17, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • “It’s certainly fair to re-assess now”
    True that, but it seems as if you’re quick to grasp at any straw to justify striking back at the naysayers. Granted, Crisp seems to be coming around, but it would be wiser in my book to hold off on declaring him “back to form” until he’s able to sustain his current level of production for longer that a 7 week period.
    ” Crisp’s prior performance in Cleveland over two full seasons is the justification for why I think that Crisp’s current performance may be more like the player he really is”
    Or is he like the player he was in 2003?
    BA OBP SLG OPS
    .266 .302 .353 .655
    His first 2 years in Boston look somewhat similar:
    ’06 .264 .317 .385 .702
    ’07 .265 .322 .392 .714
    A more accurate re-assessment can be made much later in the season, IMO.

    Andrews July 18, 2007, 12:54 pm
  • Hmm, if Tom Glavine has a bad year, should I cite his rookie year stats?
    Crisp’s second and third FULL years in the majors are a larger and more useful sample. That doesn’t mean he’ll match those numbers, I personally do not have ESP so cannot say. But if I had to use a sample for any player still at prime age and not in a clear decline due to wear and tear, I’d use the largest sample available at that prime age and at a comparable level of experience. I am not blindly touting Coco; this is a conceptual issue about what sample to use as a basis for comparison/expectation.

    SF July 18, 2007, 1:15 pm
  • “Hmm, if Tom Glavine has a bad year, should I cite his rookie year stats?”
    You’re joking, but Crisp’s rookie stats are 4 years old, not 20, so they are probably more relevant, no? We’re splitting hairs here, but 414 AB’s in ’03 wasn’t exactly a cup of coffee.
    You have a point about the wisdom using the largest possible sample, but it’s curious that you used a 7 week sample, instead of the YTD numbers, in making your original point. Not trying to bust your chops, really, but it seems like cherry-picking…

    Anonymous July 18, 2007, 3:28 pm
  • me, obviously.

    Andrews July 18, 2007, 3:29 pm
  • but it seems like cherry-picking…
    Call it what you want, though I think that “cherry-picking” is a term used in zero-sum terms when debating something, and I hate the usage – typically once it’s deployed it’s kind of brick wall for discussion; the charge of “cherry-picking” should be subject to a Godwin’s Law thing.
    In this case, I am simply saying that of the two performance levels that Crisp has put up (since getting truly healthy) for the Sox (one quite poor, one quite excellent), the higher level of performance matches a larger and more recent sample of his career. Hence, I am (somewhat) confident that this is the level he plays at when playing healthy. Isn’t this reasonable?

    SF July 18, 2007, 3:49 pm
  • OK, throw out the term cherry-picking.
    I think you are throwing out anything that doesn’t fit what you hope will be a return to ’04-’05 form for Crisp; just like I was when I (tongue-in-cheek)compared his sox stats with his ’03 year.
    I’m simply saying that one 7 wk hot stretch is too small a sample to hold up as:
    “prime evidence of why we should all be cautious about jumping the gun on judging four-year deals…”
    ” Hence, I am (somewhat) confident that this is the level he plays at when playing healthy. Isn’t this reasonable?”
    Reasonable? maybe. Replace “(somewhat) confident” with “hopeful”, and it’s much more so. If he keeps his current pace through the end of the season, then you have a point. Only time will tell.

    Andrews July 18, 2007, 5:04 pm

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