So which will come first, my second kid or a JD Drew announcement?

UPDATE: Not my second kid.  I guess those Bonds to Boston stories can go away now.

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  • Say whatever you will about this situation, but I believe that this makes the middle of the Red Sox lineup really, really tough. Even more so if Tek has the bounceback year we all hope he will, and Lugo and Crisp are even average table setters.
    I’m happy this is over, but JD has one heck of a mountain to climb before he even swings a bat.

    Brad January 25, 2007, 6:33 pm
  • The Globe is even more definitive, with some detail I haven’t seen anywhere else:
    “Outfielder J.D. Drew will indeed appear in a Red Sox uniform this season. A resolution has been reached on his contract, and an announcement of his signing of a five-year, $70 million deal is expected tomorrow. …
    “Sox doctors, in examining Drew and his medical records, detected potential indicators of future shoulder problems three to five years from now. …
    “If Drew goes on the disabled list for anything related to this finding in the third year of the deal, the Sox can void the final two years of the contract. If he is disabled in the fourth year, the Sox can void the final year of the deal. …”
    And finally, a typo?
    “Drew is expected to play right field and bat fifth behind David Ortiz in the Sox order.”
    You’re right, Brad. Based on last year’s OPS, this makes the Sox’ 3-4-5 hitters better than the Yanks’ and Chisox’. Speaking as one who’s always liked this deal: Awesome, especially now with the voiding language.

    Paul SF January 25, 2007, 6:40 pm
  • I love that we got some protection in the contract. I’m sure we will never know what the exact wording is, but at least it’s something.

    LocklandSF January 25, 2007, 6:45 pm
  • …i take it that the reporter of this news isn’t named murray “the rat” chass?…
    …i agree that the sox will have the best 3-4-5 hitters, the best overall lineup, the best starting pitching, the best relief corp, including 35 saves from their new closer, old whatshisname, and the best manager, coaches, organization, fans, ballpark, donuts, hotdogs, and beer…so what will the, uh, excuse [make that rationale] if you don’t finish in first by 10 games, and instead are fighting the jays for the last playoff spot?…hmm?

    dc January 25, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • dc, there’s no one hyperbolizing about this aside from you. Paul is talking about 3-4-5 by OPS only, not neccessarily as a prediction for next season.
    Red Sox: Manny: 1.058, Papi: 1.049, Drew: .891 TOTAL: 2.998
    Yankees: Giambi: .971, A-Rod: .915, Abreu: .886 TOTAL: 2.772
    White Sox: Thome: 1.014, Dye: 1.007, Konerko: .932 TOTAL: 2.953
    Close with the White Sox, there. Either way, the following is the quote from Paul and/or Brad and/or Lockland that stated that the Red Sox were the Masters of the Universe:
    I guess I shouldn’t have allowed myself to be baited like this, but I dunno. Facts are fun. Use ’em.

    QuoSF January 25, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • humor meet quo…quo meet humor…i’m surprised you guys never met before, then again, i’m not surprised…

    dc January 25, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • I don’t see where you thought it would be funny in this context. Yeah, if one of us were saying: “All right guys, we’ve got JD Drew, it’s all over”, then yes. Otherwise, it’s just an example of bad comedic timing. I’m aware you weren’t serious.

    QuoSF January 25, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • …sorry quo…i guess i should have been more clear…there have been a number of comments over the past few months that have collectively declared pretty much what i wrote…the context of this discussion seemed perfect to me because it was the finishing touch on the sf hyperbole…and my comedy is not ill-timed, i understand that it’s simply unappreciated…maybe i should just start bashing jeter to get a laugh around here…

    dc January 25, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • “there have been a number of comments over the past few months that have collectively declared pretty much what i wrote.”
    Put up or shut up, dc. When and where?
    “the context of this discussion seemed perfect to me because it was the finishing touch on the sf hyperbole”
    I’m confused. The hyperbole that based on OPS the Sox have the strongest 3-4-5 in the AL? Since when is a straight-up stats comparison and conclusion hyperbole?
    “and my comedy is not ill-timed, i understand that it’s simply unappreciated”
    dc, meet Murray. Murray, meet dc.
    “maybe i should just start bashing jeter to get a laugh around here…”
    Now THAT”S funny.

    Paul SF January 25, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • paul, i could be in worse company than murray…he’s in the hall of fame…but, at least my joke was funny [and yes, i know sox humor is not appreciated on this site, but i couldn’t resist]…put up or shut up?…come on, you guys have been gushing about your off-season acquisitions, including the coaching changes for months, and how vastly improved your team was, although i guess you have stopped short of declaring victory…in that sense my comment was excessive, along the lines of killing a fly with a machine gun…i saw this latest stat comparison as an opportunity to make a point…something you would hesitate to do to us yank fans when we sound a bit too optimistic [i hope we don’t have to resurrect the hughes, mvp, gg, and meaningless division titles w/o a ws discussions all over again]…i’m ok with it, really, in fact if your memory hasn’t failed you on this one i also congratulated you and praised your management for these moves…you yourself recognized the fact that i treated the dm pickup fairly and positively…yep, in one sense you’re right, sf’s haven’t bragged about their donuts, hotdogs, or beer, but the rest is true…you have a short memory…i guess i’ll leave the comedy to the real pros, like seinfeld, leno, and murray…

    dc January 25, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • It’s hard to accuse Sox fans of being overly optimistic when you acknowledge that you yourself praised the same moves we did. As for the coaching changes — I think most of us were suprised and not very happy with either of those moves but saw bright spots in the chosen successors. I certainly wouldn’t say we were “gushing” over them.
    I don’t mind saying that I have been gushing over acquiring Matsuzaka and Drew, which IMO vastly improve the Sox’ rotation and lineup (and I’ve discussed the downsides as frankly and questioningly as any other nervous-yet-excited Sox fan I’ve seen here and around the Web). However, I think we all have also been very cautious if not outright doubtful about the plan for the bullpen. It’s very easy to throw caution to the wind and predict World Series victories in January (we’ll save those for February, hehe), but I think most of the SFs on this site — myself included — have tried hard to be judicious and fair in assessing the moves thus far. That’s why your joke fell flat, I think. It was mocking something that didn’t seem necessary to mock.
    The one time I remember going overboard in degrading a Yankee pickup was the Pettitte deal, and I remember apologizing for that.
    In all, though, I think both teams have a lot to brag about when it coems to this offseason. I don’t think that statement — or the optimism produced by the signing of a hitter of Drew’s caliber to protect a hitter of Manny’s caliber, who is protecting a hitter of Ortiz’s caliber — is hyperbolic in the least.

    Paul SF January 25, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • …i still think the sox made some big improvements, but with the one caveat that the whole drew thing is troubling…if the issue with his shoulder is such a concern that it required a month to rewrite his contract, i hope he’s around long enough to make the kind of impact you expect…as for the rest of it, i was just joking, and since i also praised the moves, i was poking fun at myself too…tough concept for many, but i know you get it…like i said, i’ll leave the humor to the real pros, or save it for a different audience…

    dc January 25, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • 3-4-5
    Ortiz, Manny, doesn’t matter is better than most 3-4-5 lineups, just due to the fact that there’s Ortiz and Manny in there.
    The problem potentially lies with the rest of the relatively shaky lineup. Can Crisp leadoff? If not, then can Lugo play significantly better than replacement level? Can Lowell, Varitek, Pedroia, et al do better than last year? If not, does Manny or Ortiz get Bonds treatment just due to the fact the rest of the lineup is so weak?
    Anyway, Drew’s good. He can be excellent, but so can half of the major leagues. He played uninjured almost all of last season and his results were okay for a corner outfielder, but definitely not worth whatever Boston’s paying him. Hopefully for Sox fans their new $70 million dollar man can remain healthy, but the question will remain every time you watch a Yankees game: wouldn’t you rather have Abreu?

    Andrew January 25, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • the rest of the relatively shaky lineup
    Wow, if the Sox are shaky, I wonder what Andrew’s criticism of the rest of the AL teams might be.
    He can be excellent, but so can half of the major leagues
    This is just a ridiculous statement. Do you really mean this? 375 players in the majors are capable of being in the top tier of players? This makes no sense at all.
    wouldn’t you rather have Abreu?
    Moot. I’d rather have Johan Santana than Daisuke Matsuzaka, too, but Santana wasn’t available this offseason to fill the Sox’ need.

    SF January 25, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • ugh…i’m out

    dc January 25, 2007, 11:54 pm
  • First off congrats on having the best 3-4-5 hitters in the game. Can I see the trophy when it comes in the mail? I would love a photo of it.
    Secondly, why isolate 3-4-5? Why not best lineup? Best OF? Ohhh silly me I know the answer…Because unless you isolate 3-4-5, then you don’t have the best anything.
    Best OF? Naaaa
    Best Inf? Naaaa
    Best Catcher? Close, but Naaaa
    Best Lineup? Naaaa
    Best Rotation? 100% Yes (See no bias here)
    Best Closer? Naaaa
    Best Bullpen? Naaaa
    Congrats on the best 3-4-5 once again!

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 9:11 am
  • Trisk:
    It should be pretty evident that you don’t need the “best of everything” to be a favorite. I would have thought you’d know that by now, considering who you root for.

    SF January 26, 2007, 9:25 am
  • Sorry if that seemed venemous, congrats on J.D. Drew (meant seriously). Just can’t wait for the season to begin and I am sooooohhhhhoooooo (Said in Dr. Cox voice) tired of the offseason and all the nonsense.

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 9:26 am
  • Trisk,
    How often does the best anything win anything? Last I checked, the best team wins, and sometimes even that’s shaky. So I guess it all comes down to a short series, in which pitching and defense will most likely get the job done. I’ll take the Sox chances there in comparison to anyone in the league.

    Brad January 26, 2007, 9:27 am
  • Agreed, Trisk. I’ve got nothing to write about. I am thinking of a post about a game I went to in 1988, it’s gotten so bad. I mean, who cares about the 1988 Sox, right?
    But still, I think I might have to go there.

    SF January 26, 2007, 9:28 am
  • hmmm…3 man baseball, interesting concept for a rule change
    tk, you obviously haven’t heard about the ban on joking on this site…unless you’re not, oh geez, you’re not uh, joking are you?…oh boy…i better go now…

    dc January 26, 2007, 9:28 am
  • Last year, the Yanks had the best lineup, best closer, close to the best bullpen, and close to the best catcher – what did it get them? Another long winter, and an embarrassing playoff defeat.

    Brad January 26, 2007, 9:30 am
  • all kidding aside, the sox do have more beyond the 3-4-5, their pitching is improved, defense should be as good or better, and if they have any luck with injuries, it’ll be a wild ride…i only poke fun of them because i’m insecure and in momentarily denial about how much better they are than last year…

    dc January 26, 2007, 9:32 am
  • I understand it and back that 110% SF. Having the best team on paper basically since 2001 has gotten us sqadoosh. Team chemistry (see 98 Yankees and their 114 wins/04 Sox) is what I really enjoy and I think this year’s team could finally have that. With the exception of Pavano, the Yankees have a mix of personalities for the first time in a long time. We are headcase free (minus Pavano) for the first time in a long long time and I personally cannot wait!

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 9:32 am
  • Newsflash Brad- We’ve had the “Best Lineup/Team/Etc” since 2001 and it hasn’t gotten us anything, you are right. What I am optimistic about is the group of guys we have, not because they are “All-Stars” but because they are not headcases for the most part. No Tony Womack’s, Kevin Brown’s, Randy Johnson’s and so on…..Plus on paper this could be the best bullpen we have had in a long time.

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 9:37 am
  • brad you hit on something that we’ve probably beat to death before, but what the heck there’s nothing else to talk about…and that’s the fact that you need to build a team to not only get into the playoffs [win a division is good, but at least a wild card], but more importantly get through the playoffs…the yanks biggest flaw these past 6 or 7 {whatever it is] years is that they are strong in the regular season and come up small in the playoffs…but the mystery is that it’s not just their pitching and defense, it’s that they stop hitting…credit their playoff opponents with having the better playoff pitching…you mentioned that the yanks have the best closer, but they didn’t even put themselves in a position to use that edge against detroit…

    dc January 26, 2007, 9:37 am
  • but they didn’t even put themselves in a position to use that edge against detroit…
    Live by the tree pointer, and die with it.
    It’s going to be a good season, and I think both of our teams are going to beat up some pretty good teams. Both middles could put up record numbers, especially with the addition of Drew and a big return from Tek to his normal best in the business self.
    I really can’t wait.
    Also, for any of you who can make it, those last few ST games in Philly are well worth it if possible. I went last year, and they were all great. It’s nice if you don’t have the time to get to Florida to see the whole thing. It’s very fan friendly.

    Brad January 26, 2007, 9:44 am
  • In fairness to the 2005 team that Detroit staff was lights out in that series. I mean Kenny Rogers was looking like Koufax! (Is that blasphemous?) Add to that Joe’s decision to bat A-Rod 12th and a few bounces and we stood zero chance. If only Zumaya started playing X-Box a little sooner.
    Anyway here are 3 reasons to like the Yankees chances this season, aside from the lineup:
    1-Starting Pitching Depth. The Yankees do not need to make a huge deadline deal for the first time in a long time. Even if a SP goes down they have depth in the minors unlike the past 10 plus seasons.
    2-Bullpen. This bullpen is full of talent. Not the best in the game, but still pretty darn good. Best we have had in awhile. If Henn can be the power lefty that Cash thinks he can be, we are in good shape.
    3-A-Rod. Call me optimistic but this is the season Yankee fans finally embrace this guy, he settles in and plays like he is one of the top 3 players in the game.

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 9:50 am
  • 3-A-Rod
    Have I heard that before?
    Starting pitching depth? Really, there isn’t a pitcher on the staff outside Igawa that hasn’t been on the DL at least every single year, and that goes triple for Mussina and Pettite. But you’re right, the prospects can probably just do just as well holding down the fort for a month or so, so I feel no need for worry if things do go wrong.

    Brad January 26, 2007, 9:59 am
  • that bullpen is shaping up nicely though. Provided proctor’s arm is okay, and Henn does what he never has, it’s going to be darn good.

    Brad January 26, 2007, 10:01 am
  • and plays like he is one of the top 3 players in the game
    Wow, short memory! What did he do in 2005?!

    SF January 26, 2007, 10:03 am
  • As for what will happen at the deadline, I bet the chances of both the Sox and the Yanks looking for pitching help are extremely high, no matter how strong they are at that time. I seriously doubt either team will look the same in July as they do now, and I seriously doubt both Cashman and Epstein won’t be exploring supplementing their rotations or bullpens at mid-season. There’s a chance, for sure, but I wouldn’t place a bet on that chance, rotations and bullpens are way too volatile in general.

    SF January 26, 2007, 10:06 am
  • SF, you are talking to his biggest fan, so no my memory isn’t short. What I meant by that is that he plays with confidence. In 2006 Alex played with zero confidence. I am hoping that this season he can finally do so.

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 10:07 am
  • I would be willing to place a wager on the fact that the Yankees don’t do anything to bolster their SP. Possibly the bullpen, but unless a major piece gets hurt I can’t see them trading for anyone.
    Unless Santana or Carpenter suddenly become available.

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 10:09 am
  • I don’t bet. But if we did bet I’d even be willing to give you odds. I just don’t think that the Yankees (or the Sox) will be passive at the deadline w/r/t pitching if they are contending, just based on how baseball seasons progress and the simple fact that injuries happen and players don’t pan out. Odds are they will be looking. Of course, that doesn’t mean it will happen, just that I think the chances of it happening are more likely than not.

    SF January 26, 2007, 10:13 am
  • Mike Mussina
    Chien Ming-Wang
    Andy Pettitte
    Kei Igawa
    Carl Pavano
    Jeff Karstens
    Darrell Rasner
    Available in Minors:
    Humberto Sanchez
    Phillip Hughes
    Tyler Clippard
    Steven White
    That’s as deep as this team has been since I have been alive. Maybe not the most talented, but for the first time the Yankees DO NOT need to go out and sign Sidney Ponson, Aaron Small or Kris Wilson if someone goes down. Now the guys listed in the minors aren’t ready as of April 1, but they could be called to duty if needed later in the summer.

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 10:16 am
  • SF, you are talking to his biggest fan, so no my memory isn’t short..
    We have something in common, but it’s not our faith in Pettite or Mussina.

    Brad January 26, 2007, 10:16 am
  • Trisk you could add me and you to that list. It’s not a question of who can pitch, we all have that ability, but who can do it well enough to win games, especially important ones in September. You trust all those guys to be able to do that?

    Brad January 26, 2007, 10:18 am
  • -wouldn’t you rather have Abreu?
    -Moot. I’d rather have Johan Santana than Daisuke Matsuzaka, too, but Santana wasn’t available this offseason to fill the Sox’ need.
    This isn’t a moot question whatsoever. Abreu was available at the trading deadline last year when Theo opted to sit on his hands, only to shell out $70 mil for Drew this winter. At the time when Abreu was available, both the Sox and Yanks had similar instability in RF. One team acted and the other is stuck with, well, JD Drew.
    “It’s not a question of who can pitch, we all have that ability, but who can do it well enough to win games, especially important ones in September. You trust all those guys to be able to do that?”
    While it isn’t the greatest rotation, I do trust them not to collapse in September. It’s really funny to hear a Sox fan giving YFs a lecture on what it takes to win down the stretch. It’s all relative. When we look at other teams in the AL East, my trust factor inches a little higher than when comparing the Yanks to perfection, as most analysts always do.
    The Red Sox don’t even have a closer – so we all don’t have “that ability”. I don’t see how they’ll be a factor in September ’07 if that doesn’t change, no matter how strong their rotation is on paper in January.

    lp January 26, 2007, 10:38 am
  • lp:
    Abreu wasn’t available this offseason. Drew was. Last season circumstances were different: Abreu was available for a cost, Drew wasn’t. This offseason, Drew was available at no personnel cost, Abreu wasn’t.
    It’s simply a logical fallacy to ask “who would you rather have, Abreu or Drew”. The two players were not available simultaneously under equivalent circumstances. If you are asking “in a vacuum, who would you rather have”, then we can talk.

    SF January 26, 2007, 10:45 am
  • Should Drew dog it for years 1 and 2 to make sure he is healthy enough for year 3. Why not let his shoulder heal to the max.

    Seth January 26, 2007, 11:03 am
  • yeah, I’m sure he’ll dog it. He’ll probably play to half his ability to be sure the press has enough crap to talk about.
    I’m sure if the shoulder problem was that big of an issue, the Red Sox would not have even given him the absolute three years. It’s a very smart move for the Red Sox to enforce these restrictions on his contract, and I’m sure that there are many other teams that would love to start this trend with players.
    How nice would it be for Yankee fans to be able to say they had out clauses on Pavano, Wright, Sheffield, or Brown?

    Brad January 26, 2007, 11:10 am
  • …i think the sox passed on abreu because they knew they were flawed elsewhere in a more important way…pitching…the sox were already taking on water at the deadline, so thinking that abreu would have made the difference would have been foolishly optimistic…

    dc January 26, 2007, 11:15 am
  • Abreu was available at the trading deadline last year when Theo opted to sit on his hands, only to shell out $70 mil for Drew this winter.
    And in hindsight, all he’s out is money, which neither team really cares about anyhow. The Red Sox still have all the prospects that Philly wanted for BA, and they have, for all intensive purposes, the same player.
    Neither team won the WS, so what’s the downfall of the situation for Theo? NY was squased in the first round with BA (who floundered), and the Sox didn’t make it at all. Noone will remember either situation.
    Theo saved the parts Philly asked for, and isn’t going to shell out a Soriano type contract next year for a player that probably isn’t as talented, as the Yanks will have to.

    Brad January 26, 2007, 11:15 am
  • …im tipping my cap to the sox for out-borasing boras…they got him on their 2 biggest signings by playing the leverage game…first with dm, and more subtly with drew…they knew the longer they waited to sign drew, the more questions about his health, and the more desperate boras would be about getting him signed…his value dropped…nobody else wants the guy at this late date, and given the questions raised by the sox…brilliant!

    dc January 26, 2007, 11:20 am
  • I agree with Trisk that the Yankees have a lot of depth and much of that depth has the potential to be very good (Sanchez and Hughes). On the other hand, I agree with Brad that simply throwing a huge list of names up there doesn’t mean the Yanks have pitching depth. By that same token, the Sox also have a ton of depth:
    That means, technically, the whole starting staff could go down, and the Sox would still have a starting staff plus two long relief guy. But it would suck. A lot.

    Paul SF January 26, 2007, 11:21 am
  • But it would suck. A lot
    For reference, see last year.

    Brad January 26, 2007, 11:26 am
  • brad…we remember, and isn’t that all that matters?…last year’s outcome is killing both of us…

    dc January 26, 2007, 11:37 am
  • You only need a 4 man rotation in October. As long as that list gets us there, I am pretty confident we have 4 pitchers that can pitch in the postseason.

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 12:38 pm
  • Also remember this is new to Yankees fans. We haven’t had a farm system in many, many years. So the added depth (That you folks have had for awhile) gives a sense of not having to press. Not having to trade it all for a mediocre pitcher down the line. That’s my point.

    Triskaidekaphobia January 26, 2007, 12:39 pm

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