Or best non-trade ever?
Was Theo duped by Cash into trading for the French Canadian version of Kyle Farnsworth? Let the second-guessing begin now.
At the deadline, I would have loved the Yanks to get Gagne. When I heard the asking price was Melky? No way.
Glad we didn’t pull the trigger.
Maybe we did. Maybe it’s all a part of a Cash-masterminded conspiracy…Hmm. Maybe Gagne is Ramiro Mendoza v2.0.
You don’t magically start to suck. Gagne will be just fine. He can’t be hurt because he just passed a physical, so that’s out. It may take a few times out to settle into the setup role. Gagne is a very good pitcher and I would trade him for Farnsworth every day of the week.
I believe Paul suggested in a post that Theo had outmaneuvered Cash for Gagne. Frankly, I don’t think the two had much effect on eachother here at all. Cash had something else in mind, for the money, Theo was willing to part with something. No one expected this. Sure is great though!
Actually, you almost have to feel for Gagne. What’s it like to walk into a foreign locker room, a team that’s on top, and then just start blowing games left and right. You’re part of a team, but you’re only contributions have been calamitous. Must be awfully uncomfortable, no matter how good your teammates are about it.
Nope. The trade made perfect sense. We sold at the apex of Gabbard’s value for a guy we (reasonably) believed would give us another power righty arm. Mind you, this trade was made necessary by the fact that Donnelly was out for the year. The Sox needed another durable power righty in the ‘pen. Why not go with the best, right? Of course, at the moment, things don’t look so great.
I’d trade Farnsworth for Gagne too, obviously. I don’t think that trade was on offer from Texas, though, and it’s certainly not the one Theo made, so it’s unclear why it’s relevant.
I agree that Gagne will improve (he could hardly maintain his rate of suckiness). But when the season is done, there’s almost no way it could turn out that Gagne was an improvement over what the Sox would have pieced together without him.
The trade was plausible. But it’s turned out to be a bust.
Oh, one more thing — why no Papelbon in this game??? I don’t get it. Francona isn’t one to manage like a robot.
Well, not that I think Theo knew something he didn’t disclose, but Gabbard left his start in the second inning tonight with forearm stiffness, so it’s not clear that Texas got the better end of this deal.
It’ll take awhile for it to even out. I still love Gagne (though I don’t know the contract implications of the trade – is it *just* the half year rental?).
Besides, even if the Sox stumble into the playoffs, that pen is sick.
If- just if- Gagne had an injury from Texas that didn’t show up in the physical, can we reneg the trade and get Gabbard back?
I wasn’t listening when Gagne blew this one, but from what I heard, he threw four straight fastballs to Miguel Tejada. That doesn’t sound like a great strategy to handle one of the best hitters in the league.
We’re going to lose some games, that’s guaranteed. An encouraging sign was that the Sox had a good chance to win ALL three of these games, and our bullpen troubles are unlikely to persist. Baltimore’s playing well right now, and with more timely hitting or a better performance from the pen we would have swept the series.
There ya go Hudson, you’re Gagged! Lol.
“I’d trade Farnsworth for Gagne too, obviously. I don’t think that trade was on offer from Texas, though, and it’s certainly not the one Theo made, so it’s unclear why it’s relevant.”
“Worst Trade Ever?
Or best non-trade ever?”
“Was Theo duped by Cash into trading for the French Canadian version of Kyle Farnsworth? Let the second-guessing begin now.”
See James Nick called Gagne the “French Canadian version of Kyle Farnsworth” thus my comment of trading Kyle for Gagne. Yes James I know that wasn’t an offer…Yikes. All I was saying was that I would RATHER have Gagne.
Gabbard came out of tonight’s game in the early innings with what ESPN Radio termed “arm stiffness.” Listed as day to day. Just adds another twist to the story.
oops…missed Yankees76’s post on Gabbard. My bad.
It will probably turn out to be a horrible trade for both sides.
I have a question. If Gagne continues his trend of horrendous suckitude (and it wasn’t just with Boston, he hadn’t been all that great in July, before he came to the Sox either. Check it out on Baseball-Reference.com) will he really still be a Type-A free agent? It would make the trade actually bad for Theo if that happened.
I believe that Type A is based on two or three-year averages. That’s why the talk of Gagme as a certain Type A seemed so silly. Either:
a) They average the past two or three years, in which case it’s zeros across the board for Gagme.
b) It’s only this year (because he’s been hurt), in which case a horrendous stretch of two months could absolutely ruin his ranking.
“why no Papelbon in this game??? I don’t get it.”
My take is that Paplebon’s one inning limit is a hard and fast rule- therefore he won’t be used in a tie game on the road.
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