Wright and Wrong

It’s hard for us to draw much sympathy for Jaret Wright, but we suspect tonight is one of those "no-win" situations for him: if he wins, it’s against the D-Rays, and if he loses—well, we don’t even want to think about that. We wish him well in his first night back, even if we’d rather see Mr. Small in his slot.

Consider this an open thread for comment on tonight’s game.

29 comments… add one
  • How is winning against the D-Rays a bad thing? If he wants to prove that he’s a half decent pitcher, than beating the D-Rays is a good thing, isn;t it? Personally, I hope he loses, but I’m a Sox fan, so whatever.

    Laura August 15, 2005, 5:32 pm
  • Yeah, I don’t see why a win is so bad, particularly with the Yankees’ struggles against the D-Rays all season. Plus, as important as every win and every loss is at this stage, if I were a Yankees fan I’d be happier if he got the loss with 7IP, 2ER rather than the win with 5IP, 5ER.

    Earl August 15, 2005, 5:39 pm
  • I am with Laura. Only Yankees fans, with their new demeanor of what-used-to-be-the-domain-of-BoSox fans (brought on by the crushing nature of 2004, of course) would choose to look at the black cloud around the silver lining. You’re all doomed! Even if you win!!!
    You are just like we used to be. And it’s just too f**king cool.

    SF August 15, 2005, 5:40 pm
  • Who said winning is a bad thing? The point is, even if he does, SOX FANS (and perhaps some cynical New Yorkers) will undoubtedly point out that the victory came against inferior opposition. I believe a certain Sox fan—Brad SF on this site, but he was by no means alone—followed a similar line of logic in criticizing Chien-Ming Wang earlier in the season, suggestiing that his effectiveness was something of a mirage, coming as it did against several subpar offensive clubs.
    Try not to rewrite history Sox fans. Though, given what you’ve been through over the years, we certainly can understand the imperative.

    YF August 15, 2005, 6:17 pm
  • Nice re-engineering. Very agile, YF. Quick on the keys tonight!
    You might want to have included that “Sox fans will undoubtedly point out” modifier in your original post. As it is, it looks like, nay, surely is, a retrofitting of your own thread to attack us Sox fans.

    SF August 15, 2005, 6:23 pm
  • YF – Please. Thats just ridiculous.

    mattymatty August 15, 2005, 7:25 pm
  • From what I gathered earlier in the seaeson, Yankees fans will take ANY kind of win from Jaret Wright at this point. Even if it is against the D-Rays. And they need any kind of win they can get, despite the sweep of Texas this weekend (before any of you decide to bring it up). And what should it matter to you what Sox fans think, YF? I thought we were supposed to pay attention to our own team. It may not have been you who said it, but I’ve read that countless times on this site this season.

    Laura August 15, 2005, 7:39 pm
  • In Detroit, Bronson Arroyo looks really Jaret-esque. At least the bullpen is rested after yesterday’s cancellation.

    SF August 15, 2005, 7:46 pm
  • Yanks fans are like Sox fans? In your dreams. With their team having won the World Series, in first place ahead of a Yankee team with their worst pitching in decades, Sox fans still don’t think they can win. Have you noticed that the ONLY fans who are such rabid hatahs are Sox fans?
    Second: Manny and Ortiz have 31% of the Red Sox rbis. Add the leadoff hitter, who obviously can’t drive them in, and the three hitters have 40% of the Sox rbis. Teams should just start plunking Manny and Ortiz and dare the other hitters to drive the lumbering hulks in. I don’t think they can come close to making up for the duo’s rbis.

    john yf August 15, 2005, 8:57 pm
  • “Only Yankees fans, with their new demeanor of what-used-to-be-the-domain-of-BoSox fans (brought on by the crushing nature of 2004, of course) would choose to look at the black cloud around the silver lining. You’re all doomed! Even if you win!!!
    You are just like we used to be. And it’s just too f**king cool.”
    So, SF, is this an admission that RSN was filled with unbearable whiners for 86 years? Were your comments pre-2004 ACLS which hinted at dissatisfaction with Sox players the easily discredited ravings of a member of the fellowship of the miserable? Were you incapable of seeing the positive qualities of a Jose Offerman because your New England defeatism blinded you?
    Earlier this season, I recall you admonishing YF for getting too excited about a Yankees winning streak. Was that because he was being like a negative Sox fan pre-Oct. 2004? Seems like you’re the one doing the retrofitting or bactracking or just plain contradicting.

    Nick August 15, 2005, 9:25 pm
  • Despite the early no-hitter, Wright was having a little trouble in the beginning: some hard-hit balls and some hit batters. But he threw hard and he threw strikes and Yankee fans have to be happy.
    RJ, Moose, Wright, Chacon and Small/Leiter might run off a streak. You wonder about Leiter, but Joe must think he’s too wild to come out of the pen, while Small can throw strikes and a sinker.
    If Wang comes back… can RJ be a postseason ace and Sox killer?

    john yf August 15, 2005, 10:00 pm
  • Come on, guys, he beat the f**king DEVIL RAYS.
    ;-)

    SF August 15, 2005, 10:05 pm
  • Something seems to be wrong with Curt Schilling, and I ain’t talking about his mouth.

    SF August 15, 2005, 10:13 pm
  • To quote Ice Cube: Today was a good day.

    Nick August 15, 2005, 10:17 pm
  • Obviously the D-Rays lose a lot, but they’re currently tied with the Yanks for second best average in the American League (yes, the Sox are first). They’ve also done well against the Yanks this year.
    Regardless, Wright threw hard and threw strikes. Suzyn Waldman kept saying this is what he did in spring training, when he impressed everyone, but NOT during the season. Low pitch count too, with aggressive pitching.
    You could say, Isn’t it amazing, he’s in mid-season form, but he’s better than before he was hurt, at least tonight.
    Tigers 3 in the bottom of the 9th to beat the Sox.

    john yf August 15, 2005, 10:22 pm
  • MLB has added some interesting charts. Click here and wait for the graph to load.
    ‘night

    john yf August 15, 2005, 10:36 pm
  • This was a nice start for Wright, but let’s wait a bit to see if this is a different pitcher from the man who started the season with such dismal results. 6.1 innings isn’t a great sample size, and his low k rate is not anything to get excited about. On the other hand, he only allowed 4 hits, and walked just 1, so that was encouraging. But the truth is he pitches to contact, and today the contacted hits often ended up in gloves.
    Anyway, it goes down as a quality start. Let’s hope more are to come.

    YF August 15, 2005, 10:45 pm
  • Schilling sucks.

    yanks fan chris August 15, 2005, 10:46 pm
  • The Sox’ savior blows a game, and the Yanks get an unexpected decent start from a lost cause, and every Sox fan with a keyboard gets their claws out. You guys are even annoying when you’re in first place- it’s tired as hell.

    Knuckles August 16, 2005, 8:54 am
  • It’s a little early to say that, Chris. He is the only Sox player that worries me. Maybe Ortiz a little too. I’d like to see Schilling go down in flames a few more times before I felt better.

    Bozo the Homey August 16, 2005, 8:56 am
  • Knuckles — what are you talking about?!? “Every Sox fan with a keyboard gets their claws out”? Of the last 11 posts, 9 are from Yankees fans; one of the two from Sox fans (SF) was about how Schilling looked terrible.
    I know you people like to pretend that Sox fans are bitter and annoying, to make yourselves feel better I suppose. But you can’t just make stuff up.

    Earl August 16, 2005, 10:38 am
  • Earl: it is the divine right of Yankees fans to make stuff up. You must know that by now. Like when they claim the Yankees have won 26 titles to the Sox’ 1. Or when they accuse us of being fixated on their team instead of our own, when we all know that we are fixated on our own first and theirs second (hence the term “rivals”). Or when they add a qualifier to their thread post that they meant “Red Sox fans” would jump all over Jaret Wright. Or when they tell us that “Rosie O’Donnell is so much hotter than Jessica Alba” (something to that effect came to me in an email from YF at one point). Or when they claim that “there ain’t no way there were ever any f**kin’ dinosaurs”. Wait – that was Carl Everett. Sorry.
    It’s time we all got over it, this ability of many (not all, of course – sometimes YF makes semi-accurate statements and serial poster Nick seems like a reasonable guy, to be honest.) in Yankeeland to fictionalize reality. I mean, these are people who think Steve Balboni was a HOFer.

    SF August 16, 2005, 11:12 am
  • Balboni SHOULD be in the (minor league) HOF.

    Knuckles August 16, 2005, 11:37 am
  • Saw this site praised at the Futility Infielder and thought the concept was great. Unfortunately, the writer is a Boston native, so his characterization of Sox rings a slightly false note. The writer compares each MLB team to a Simpson character.
    http://barstoolsports.com/article/The_Definitive_MLB__Simpsons_Analogy_List/344/
    Here are the entries on the Yanks and Red Sox:
    New York Yankees – C. Montgomery Burns – Driven to success by an almost unimaginable wealth of resources, which they use to ruthlessly crush their enemies, although typically not by the most efficient means possible (blocking out the sun, Bernie Williams). Seemingly unaware of the (obvious) reasons why they are hated. They seem to have been a key actor in pretty much everything important that happened before 1970.
    Boston Red Sox – Lisa Simpson – Beloved by all. Used to being overlooked and trod upon, so that when they finally get a day in the sun, they don’t really know what to do with it. Unfortunate tendency to get a little self-righteous. Antagonistic relationship with those in positions of power.

    Nick August 16, 2005, 12:02 pm
  • Nick August 16, 2005, 12:06 pm
  • oop! add 44 to the end. it ain’t fitting for some reason.

    Nick August 16, 2005, 12:07 pm
  • In regards to the games last night, I’ll conceed that the Yankees far and away have the superior closer. But I think that was already obvious.
    If the Red Sox had had a good closer at the start of the season, they would’ve run away with the divison a long time ago:
    The Boston bullpen in save situations this year:
    87.1 IP, 100 H, 51 R, 49 ER, 27 BB, 62 K, 27 saves, 14 BS, 5.05 ERA overall.
    Ouch. Does this qualify as “brutal” yet?

    Sox Fan in VT August 16, 2005, 2:17 pm
  • Yeah and if the Yankees starters didn’t get hurt, or if they pitched as they had in the past, or maybe you just deal with it.

    Bozo the Homey August 16, 2005, 2:58 pm
  • it is the divine right of Yankees fans to make stuff up. You must know that by now.
    Yeah I know — but it’s still fun to point out the out-of-touch-with-reality comments. My favorite is “no one could have predicted the Yankees’ starting rotation would have so many problems with injuries.”

    Earl August 16, 2005, 3:01 pm

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